>>65027737 It means that I hope the Rams and the Chargers both move to Los Angeles, and that the Chargers become practically invisible in the city with embarrassingly low attendances because everyone in the city sticks with their old teams (either the Rams or whatever other NFL team they were a fan of).
Chivas USA was a team in MLS that played in Los Angeles, but they only averaged about 8,000 fans per game because everyone just watched the LA Galaxy instead and because Chivas was so obviously foreign.
>>65027690 Honestly keking my ass off that people from San Diego feel they deserve a team. Multiple times this season there were more away fans than Charger fans, that's fucking embarrassing. Your fanbase was the reason the NFL had to get rid of the blackout rule, BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T SELL OUT MORE THAN 2 GAMES IN A SEASON. It's San Diego's fault the Chargers are leaving.
Lol San Diego has no fans and doesn't deserve a team. Los Angeles is the same, but at least has a larger population.
The fact of the matter is, that outside of the Mexicans, nobody in SoCal gives a shit about pro sports. They prefer shit like surfing and extreme sports and outdoors sports, or music and hollywood bullshit.
There is no core fanbase whatsoever, trust me I lived in SD county for a while, it was easy as piss to get Chargers tickets even when they were good and had Tomlinson. Good teams with hardcore fans sell out stadiums. SD couldn't, and LA won't either after the novelty of the first season or two wears off.
>>65027987 >Multiple times this season there were more away fans than Charger fans You think it won't be worse in LA? >Your fanbase was the reason the NFL had to get rid of the blackout rule That or concern about fans of the Chargers, Rams, and Raiders (the latter two having had a lower percentage fill rate than Qualcomm this season) not going to games out of protesting the choices of their owners to try relocating, but sure. Keep talking out of your ass.
>>65028306 They shouldn't have to. Why is it that Baron Hilton was smart enough to know not to try competing against the Rams for the LA market, but Dean Spanos, a man who has only ever demonstrated such incompetence that he wasn't able to leverage a 20 year absence of NFL teams in LA into a significant expansion of his fan base, or even develop demand for the team he had in the San Diego market, can do better? I mean if Dean had actually made something of the LA market he would be justified wanting to move there, but he hasn't. It remains a minority portion of his business and ticket sales, and that minority will be even further eaten away by the fact that just as there was at least one /sp/artan in every Chargers game thread this season who said he was a Chargers fan, but was dying to get the Rams back so he could go back to being a Rams fan, there will be other "Chargers fans" in LA who will be abandoning the team in exchange for the Rams. The distance from SD to LA is inconsequential when the plain simple fact is that he is prioritizing money over the loyalty our admittedly lean fanbase has given him and his family for decades. My family and I have had season tickets for 34 years, and we would drive two hours to SD every Sunday. We did it out of love and loyalty. San Diegans should not be forced to do that however. LA may have been where the Chargers were born, but SD is where they grew and made their history. Abandoning all of that for more money is a betrayal that should only be rewarded back with betrayal.
>>65028737 everyone not in California really hates California. They are the most cancerous people in our country all collected in one place. >liberal extremists/sjws/hippies >Chicanos everywhere >gays/xes >Hollywood/Jews
But also its because the Cowboys are the best marketed team, their owner is good about that.
>>65029071 >their owner >"I'm the favorite son of El Segundo, (Calif.)," Jones said. "I was born in LA, Inglewood. So, I have a natural passion in that I have a lot of relatives that live in Los Angeles." http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/story/jerry-jones-i-m-going-to-bring-the-nfl-to-la-081115
>In fact, don’t be surprised if the NFL either waived any relocation fee to facilitate a possible Raiders move to San Diego or set one at a price extremely affordable. In addition, the additional $100 million the league promised to the Raiders to go toward a deal in Oakland is expected to be available to them in a move to San Diego. >As an NFL source told me today, waiving a relocation fee could be possible as the Raiders would be yielding a Bay Area market that is attractive to the NFL long term while filling a San Diego market the league wants to keep in the fold.
>>65029184 i think i would give up sports entirely if this merry go round of team relocations happens. Chargers fans who are rivals of Raiders will now become fans of the Raiders and rivals of the chargers. its the most jew shit imaginable.
>>65029232 If Dean Spanos wants money more than my fandom, fuck him. I'll trade my powder blues for silver and black in a heartbeat. Mark Davis won't be able to keep up with the money I'd throw his way.
>>65029161 Have you never watched a Raiders game. They've tarped off the entire third deck, which gets rid of about ~9000 seats. ESPN is still counting the untarped 65,000 as the capacity of the coliseum.
>>65029071 >Looking to switch jobs >Living in Illinois making $45k a year >get a job offer in LA >Offer me $50k a year >Say that they know the offer is low but the fact I get to live in LA makes up for it >mfw
>Last season, the Raiders used the NFL's "85 percent rule," which allowed them to declare a sellout if 85 percent of their non-suite tickets were sold by Thursdays, and some 2-for-1 ticket deals to help sell games out and prevent local television blackouts. >This year, the team will use a new tool to aid those efforts - a black tarp covering roughly 11,000 seats at O.co Coliseum. >The new capacity of O.co will be 53,250 (down from 64,200) with the high east-side third deck being tarped off for Raiders home games, the team announced Wednesday. http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Raiders-will-tarp-top-of-Mount-Davis-4258267.php
It's not like they were tarped off because they were being used.
>The Raiders belong in California This is true >Furthermore, the Raiders became famous in SoCal This is not. They were among the best in the NFL well before they left Oakland (to heavy League opposition) in the 80s. Their brash persona being co-opted by NWA didn't make them famous. It may have made them a fashion statement, but not famous.
>>65028919 >My family and I have had season tickets for 34 years, and we would drive two hours to SD every Sunday. We did it out of love and loyalty This is the same thinking whores have about their abusive pimps - "If I just do enough bareback anal with HIV+ addicts he'll finally love me back."
Sports owners' inside joke: Q: What's the difference between a sports fan and a urinal? A: A urinal doesn't follow you around after you use it.
>>65030665 Did I say I was talking about Dean's love and loyalty to us? No. I was talking about ours towards the organization. If Dean chooses to go to LA, then I'll be first in line to hold the door open and tell him to get the fuck out of SD. I will not be such a cuck that I remain loyal to an owner and his team when he is unwilling to do the same to the community that has supported both of them for decades.
How that is in any way >the same thinking whores have about their abusive pimps - "If I just do enough bareback anal with HIV+ addicts he'll finally love me back." escapes me. As far as I am concerned, I'm about as far away from that type of "thinking" as is possible.
>>65030731 I'm not trying to denigrate in any way your feelings of love or loyalty. In general I find those admirable.
I was pointing out that placing those feelings (for 34 years) with a for-profit corporation, the goal of which is to extract the most money possible from people for the benefit of ownership that will at best treat people like you as disposable, isn't really in your best interest.
And unfortunately that is exactly the parasitic hooker-pimp relationship: the victim feels some love and loyalty for her pimp, her pimp cares only enough for her to keep her cash flowing to him, and the pimp will abuse her as he sees fit and will leave her as soon as he finds a bitch who'll make him more money.
Surely you can see that describes the relationship between most cities and fan bases and their sports teams.
The only thing that breaks that cycle for victims of sexual abuse is the strength to leave, and it sounds like you and with luck other people in SD are reaching that point in your relationship with the Chargers.
It's painful when relationships end, even bad ones, but it's for the good when the relationships are one-sided and abusive.
(None of this is to take away from the years of enjoyment you and your family got from watching and rooting for the Chargers. It's to keep the warm feelings from clouding one's view about the power dynamic in the relationship.)
>>65032228 >Surely you can see that describes the relationship between most cities and fan bases and their sports teams. I can. There is one change I would make however. >>Surely you can see that describes the relationship between most cities and fan bases and their sports teams owners.
Dean Spanos wasn't out there on that field rocking #55 while tackling Tom Brady, or handing off to Ladanian Tomlinson, or throwing to Antonio Gates. Those men give a shit. When Philip Rivers tears up while reacting to the fans who cheered for the Chargers during what may have been their last home game in San Diego this season, he only does so because he cares. I acknowledge that you can't be a fan of the team or it's players without the owner benefiting at some point, but I acknowledge Dean Spanos being the owner without declaring any more loyalty to him as he has demonstrated to myself and every other Chargers fan during this entire relocation ordeal.
I am a Chargers fan because my Father is a Chargers fan, and his father was a Chargers fan as well. The reason I give a shit however, and remember the number that goes with the name, and their position, and wear out my voice shouting for them is because of many of the men out there on the field, busting their ass and giving a shit. The ones who break and bleed, and sign autographs and give shoes and jerseys away and are always happy to do something for someone just because they tell them they are a fan of theirs. Those guys are the ones who I am loyal to. Those are the ones who I'll feel bad cheering against if they go to LA, but if they do, they will not be my team anymore, and that will be because the guy who pays them will force them to play somewhere other than SD.
Make no mistake, I am a fan of the men on the field. The owner however could wind up murdered on the side of the road, and I would feel nothing beyond joy at the prospect of someone else taking over leadership of the organization who might choose not to move it.
>>65029192 Pelosi is from the most liberal district of San Francisco. Feinstein is actually a more moderate Democrat. Maybe you mean Boxer? Because we like seniority in our delegation. When we had none we lost many military bases in the early 90s.
The state is liberal in places, but it's population is huge and there's all kinds of places and people. But whatever keeps flyover faggots out, keep on believing it.
This probably won't happen. This would free up the Sandy Eggo market and Oakland could move there and take away long time Chorgers fans from SD and a lot of LA fans would become fans of a team about an hour south.
He would dilute the fuck out of the chorgers brand even more
This is why I'm not a fan of NFL team any more. My team moved years ago and some fake ass plastic expansion team moved in. Not going to root for them thats for sure. I'm more privy to soccer. I feel better knowing they will NEVER move even if they are an ocean away at least I know they will always be there for me.
>>65027690 >>65028599 lol at SD for being so salty about losing a team they're not willing to pay for.
>hurrr spanos should pay for a stadium why? carson will pay for a stadium. also no other owners pay for stadiums. >hurrr nobody in LA/OC wants them well i live in OC and i'm stoked their moving >hurrr but we're so loyal when they have record-breaking RBs and make the playoffs 10 years ago but then you're shitty fans all the rest of the time like for the poor padres (who i also like).
>>65027690 >tfw I go to oakland to watch one game a year >now I can do it within 8 miles away from me >no raiders v rams game in la for another 7 years in LA(next will be in raider's home) >tfw only one black sunday against the chargers per year I hate you spanos
I don't see the money for the chargers if they move to LA
they don't have fans anywhere in LA not even in Anaheim , FUCKING ANAHEIM
Oakland native for 25 years , I never saw the raiders as a oakland exclusive team because they were in LA for a significant part of their history and had a better winning season in their era than the rams in LA(not Anaheim)
I read on twitter that people call them the california raiders and I support it
raiders to me show a part of California culture good and bad and mexican
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