>First team to score wins the whole game
>In the playoffs
You ameritards have some fucking stupid rules
Well you can just GIT OUT if you don't like this country.
>First team to score wins the whole game
>Not knowing the rules
Nope, just score a touchdown, your team should be good enough to hold the other to a field goal and be good enough to drive back down the field and tie it or better. If you give up a TD on the first drive, you don't deserve to be there anyway
Not knowing the rules
If it's a touchdown or defense score it's over. A field goal allows the other team to try again.
College has it that both teams get the ball and it ends up in 6 OTs
you know i could have sworn that the NFL moved to college rules where the opposing team gets one drive to tie the game instead of it being sudden death
or was that only due to field goal?
The overtime rules are better than they used to be but I still would like to see some more change. Specifically have the teams play a full 10 minute quarter(shorter than a regular quarter on purpose) and whoever has the most points at the end of that quarter wins. If it's still tied start another 10 minute quarter, possession doesn't change and it becomes sudden death.
How about letting them play the full OT time to determine winner no matter what type of scores are being made during it the highest score at the end wins.
Maybe 1 full 15min OT, followed by 5min OT's is still tied until there's a winner. Makes perfect sense to me.
what if they just moved one whole team to the locker room, so they didn't know what the other team did? that way you don't know if they scored a FG or TD or at all so you can't play call based on it
>College has it that both teams get the ball and it ends up in 6 OTs
I honestly wouldn't mind this in the NFL.
I haven't seen an OT game in High School or College in forever. But doesn't the starting position of the ball also change?
OTs are rare in the NFL. But it feels a little cheap to have one team score a TD and the other not even get a chance to play. Not as cheap as penalty kicks in soccer...but still pretty cheap.
After the 2nd overtime you have to go for 2
Out of the thousands of college games played since 1995, you can probably count the times it's gone past four on your hands
To even get to 3 is rare
Not a pucks fan in the least and I wanted Arizona to win, but I do agree the ot rules are shit. If two teams with strong offenses and relatively weak defenses go to overtime, the coin flip is essentially determining the game, or at least unfairly exerting an influence on it. The game is determined by both sides of the ball, both offenses and both defenses should be guaranteed to have a chance to play in overtime. Back and forth until one team fails to match or exceed the points scored by the opponent. The logic they used to changed the ot rules over field goals needs to be carried to its actual conclusion.
>People actually defending Jewdell's rules
Yeah god forbid we got maybe another half hour of football.
That's not fair to the team that loses the coin toss. Team that wins the toss would kick because if they give up a td they know they have to score one so they are in 4 down territory the entire way.
Now tell me how to make OT fair
then don't have a weak defense. defense is the most important part of the game--if you can't stop your opponent from scoring a touchdown just once you don't really deserve to win
thats why the advantage is up to a coin toss 50/50 chance of getting it but not necessarily winning because you get the advantage. Plus if you tie the first series the second series is reversed.
You do realize that even the best defense in the league isn't expected to prevent every drive from even a sub par offense from ending a touch down? The game is inherently designed to favor scoring, lest scoreless games be common as fuck.
Didn't the OT rules change after that playoff game where Farve didn't even have a chance to take the field? It was after a field goal I think.
I wonder if the NFL will take another look at it now that (some) fans are raging online.
Disagree. Most possessions don't end in a TD.
Under the equal possession rule, the advantage is greater to the kicking team than the advantage of the receiving team in the TD but not FG wins rule.
Under equal possession rule, the kicking team has PERFECT information on going for 4th downs vs kicking FGs. That's a HUGE advantage.
in most games both teams get their defense tested
however if your defense decides to lay an egg and give up an 80 yard TD drive with the game on the line, you blow your chance to test the other defense
seems okay to me
How is it unfair? The first team to have possession has to decide to go for a touchdown and force the other team to have to match it, or settle for a field goal allowing the other team to settle similarly. No matter what, the first team is entitled to go for a touchdown. And it's match or exceed, so if they settle for a fg and the other team gets a td, they now get the ball back but have to match the td. They don't need to have to predict what the other team will do in order to overcome some disadvantage.
NFL OT just needs to give the team that loses the toss, or defers, a possession. I don't get why the outcome of a game can be left up to the coin flip. And no, don't give me that "Well the other team should've stopped them xD" bullshit. With the way rules have been changed and the pass-happy state of the NFL, actually stopping a team is hard. Pick plays are still rarely fucking called as it is.
Golden Goal was an experiment they used for like 1-2 World Cups. It was stupid and unpopular (outside of America), so they ditched it.
IMO, though, penalty kicks aren't much better. They should just play extra periods until someone comes out ahead. The main reason they don't is that it's not very TV-friendly. If you've ever watched a 5OT game in the NHL playoffs (and even that's sudden death), you know what I mean.
What, so if the second team exceeds the first team then the first team gets ANOTHER chance? That makes less sense than anything proposed. Then the first team has a possession advantage AND an information advantage.
>le 90 minutes jogging meme
everytime an American says this I imagine some evangelist YOC zionist who thinks some random cammel on the other side of the planet is a real treat to his country
is fucking ridiculous
Only casual faggots who don't believe defense is an equal and important part of the game think this.
If it bothers you so much, go invent a sport where everybody just keeps scoring and the game never ends.
Never mind, the NBA already has that, and nobody enjoys it anymore either.
yeah that is pretty dumb. I could see it working where if the first team scores a TD, the 2nd team gets the ball, then if they score, you just keep playing until a team doesn't score a TD
Yes! And now they *have* to score a td. Otherwise you'd be 100% right (assuming you're the anon I was replying to).
The only downside to this and the reason it will never happen is that it's somewhat anti-climactic by casual nfl fan standards, because every sudden death ot will end with an offense failing to score, rather than the potential hail Mary Dragon into the end zone to end it. But it's the only way to actually make it fair and eliminate the influence of winning a coin flip.
Yes, the "unless the offense scores a TD" part is too gimmicky for my liking, but they did it to encourage teams to go for the TD, rather than being content to go back-and-forth trading FGs, as they were afraid would happen otherwise. Still, I don't see they problem there, because even then someone is going to fail to make a FG eventually.
The only thing that the NFL OT rules have in their favor, IMO, is that they are slightly less gimmicky and inane than the college OT rules.
Penalties are great television though, several people have died of heart attacks while watching them, well maybe they aren't great for your health but pretty exiting nonetheless.
This discussion has just convinced me that the current NFL rules are the fairest, most reasonable rules possible for overtime.
The only way you can fairly give each team a possession is if you kill the information advantage.
So no FGs or Punting. Each team gets 5 mins to score a TD only going from their own 20. Keep playing until both teams have had a chance and the score isn't tied.
Visitors get to call because Home team has 'home field advantage'. Lower ranking playoff teams get to act as visitors because they didn't play as well during the regular season.
I have to say they stack the advantages to the team who is less likely to win.
The fact that the first teams gets the ball back is exactly the reason they do not have an information advantage. You don't need to know what the second team is going to do. The first team is entitled to gamble the fg in favor of a td and gains them the same yield as the second team.
>And stop pretending you watch every second of a soccer game intently and don't zone out/do something else at times
Yes most of use do pay complete attention during a match. You realize there's more to the game than just goals right?
kek I knew this would happen
since we are not jews and we actually care about athletes, not making them die on the field even if there's not a winner is an option in regular season
>muh high scoring
>muh I need to be rewarded to feel like I've accomplished something
white suburban ameribaby syndrome
They're getting a second chance to win, sure, but the other team would also necessarily get a second chance to win. They are exchanging drives until one team fails to match the previous score.
>americans celebrating their papa john's coin toss special
>europeans still ass ached that we only give a shit when the US is in their corrupted as fuck FIFA
>rest of the world worried fifa and shit will shut down because everyone is arrested
>pissed the US doesn't care
>tries to bring it divegrass
>nobody will watch divegrass tomorrow
>eurostan will try again next week
Every fucking year. Get it through your skull, we won't watch your shit unless it's some neckbeard, beaner, or we win in your kicking game. 90 minutes of playing pass with feet isn't exciting.
If you can't accomplish the goal of the sport your team sucks at the sport. Also
>Not fighting until there is a winner
Yuropoors just enjoy shit entertainment and are confirmed pansies.
>implying both defenses won't be tired if the game isn't lopsided
>implying offense will still be spry
Only some. I personally prefer ties to gimmicky OT rules. I'd much prefer for the NHL, for instance, to bring back regular season ties and get rid of the 3-on-3 OT bullshit and shootouts.
But ties aren't an option in tournament play. There you need a winner and a loser.
For games like ice hockey and soccer, where they are frequent possession changes and scoring is relatively infrequent, sudden death is still better than a shootout, IMO. But I don't like it much in the NFL, where possession means more.
I don't really see why all sports can't do it like basketball does, and just keep playing extra periods until someone comes out ahead.
So they NEVER punt, they NEVER kick a FG and ALWAYS go for it on 4th down. That strategy yields a higher TD likelihood than the first team who had to make a hard choice of punting or kicking a FG because they don't know how many points the second team will score.
The second team basically gets 4 downs where the first team only has 3.
If the first team scores within their drive, the other team is then forced to score otherwise they lose the game.
If the first team does not score, then the other gets the ball. If that team scores, either make it so they win or the other team that didn't score first now has to score in order to stay alive. This would be fair because both teams had a chance to both attack and defend.
The only thing that I want to see implemented is that both teams get a chance to score.
not getting scored on is a part of the game as well
>Not fighting until there is a winner
only when it matters, not need to do it in the regular season
>I don't really see why all sports can't do it like basketball does, and just keep playing extra periods until someone comes out ahead.
In the NFL, yes (I'd prefer they did away with regular season OT completely, though). Not in ht NHL anymore.
Again, if apehoop can do it with its tiny rosters, then the NFL with its massive rosters certainly could.
They don't have to make any choices. They have 4 downs to score a td no matter what to win the game. In this OT iteration, the other team will never get this advantage. Only the team that wins the coin toss can ever have this advantage.
Soccer is just shit. If you want it to be entertaining make the field smaller, reduce the number of guys, make the goal smaller, put up walls on the edges so there's no out of bounds unless the ball goes over the wall, then stop the damn clock until play resumes.
The first team had four downs you fucking goon jesus. The first team is fully entitled to not punt and go for it on every fourth down too. They lose by failing to match the previous score, pure and simple. Neither team will at any point be at an 'information disadvantage' because they will always be playing to *respond* to the previous score, never the possible future one.
At least in penalties both teams have a chance to score and it doesn't matter who goes first.
The thing is, given how NFL scoring works, in practice it probably wouldn't result in extra OT periods very often (especially with the new PAT rules).
That's not the problem. The problem is the bullshit part where there's no kickoffs and teams start from the opponents' 25. At least make them go the length of the field.
Superbowl has never gone into OT but it has the infinite OT rule. They keep playing until someone wins.
OT isn't all that common (ties almost unheard of) but the point of OT is basically sudden death. They implemented first scoring drive exception to balance OP offense vs. defense.
Actually, no. I didn't have a team in tonight's game (my team already won earlier today).
In the NFL, people are coming in and out all of the time anyway.
And in soccer, they could fix it perhaps by awarding extra substitutions for OT and allowing previously subbed-out players to return.
>Force 2 pt conversions
Fuck no. I hate the 2 point conversion, too. That's another stupid idea the NFL got from college.
All NFL playoff games have the same OT rules. The SB is no different from other playoff games. And while it hasn't happened in the SB, it did happen once in the NFL championship in the pre-SB era (in '58, when the Colts beat the Giants in the first-ever OT game in NFL history).
Actually, I just realized I have to modify this a bit. In fact, in can be as simple as this: first offense to end a drive with less total points on the board than the opponent past each teams first ot possession, loses the game.
Well, yes, the sudden death rules in the Super Bowl are the same as the playoffs. But they keep doing a fresh OT until someone wins.
In the regular season if no team has won by the OT rules it's a tie.
Also, yes a championship game has gone into OT. But the SuperBowl is not a Championship game. That's next week.
>And in soccer, they could fix it perhaps by awarding extra substitutions for OT
Yeah this sounds good, it would increase the quality and quantity of play in OT (no more faggots faking cramps every 5 minutes, you get one you gtfo of the field)
>But they keep doing a fresh OT until someone wins.
>In the regular season if no team has won by the OT rules it's a tie.
Yes, I know this. This is not my issue. My issue is both cases is with sudden death. I also think OT is pointless in the regular season where there's no problem with having ties.
>But the SuperBowl is not a Championship game. That's next week.
It is and isn't. There were no conferences in in the pre-SB era. In 1958, the AFL didn't even exist yet. So the NFL championship was considered the world championship of that era, and was thus arguably equivalent to the SB of today, not the NFC championship of today.
It shouldn't have OTs in regular season matches. If ended in draw, so the draw shall be keeped.
In playoffs, OT with 15 minutes and no sudden death rules. If ended in draw, decision by FGs.
or how about not letting it get to overtime in the first place? The original sudden death rules were fine because if you couldn't win in regulation then you have no right to complain.
Alright what about this, instead of a coin toss.
Each team kicks the ball in turn, with a receiver trying to gain as many yards as possible.
The team that wins the most yards gets to pick what to do.
You're smoking crack if you think college football isn't rigged.
>Get to decide your own fucking schedule
>Good teams go out of their way to avoid playing other good teams, and get judged subjectively on how badly they performed against No One GIves a Fuck State.
>Position in polls is decided by popular vote before a single game is played
>Only allows 4 teams into playoffs for championship, those 4 teams are chosen by committee.
Most games are lop-sided, one-sided affairs between a major program and a shit one, or are played between two shit programs and are little better than high-school football.
Oh yeah, college football soooooo much better.
the draft and cap are both there to avoid the problems outlined here >>64988493
the schedule is determined by a clever formula so no one can complain about bias.
franchises move because they're businesses and not "educational institutions" like colleges.
Having a draft AND a cap causes a league to lose all authenticity
I don't care what it's designed to "prevent"
It ruins every game
Every team is just some corporate scam to make money
The draft force players to only sign with one team unless they have some leverage
How the fuck can you say that?
Every college gameday there are 64 games
Not all of them are Bama-ULM
Yeah it would be way more interesting if the top 10 teams made wild promises to players that the others couldn't possibly hope to match and stockpiled all the talent
>retarded scheduling mechanic
Being allowed to make your own schedule to avoid as much competition as possible is much better.
>franchises can move
So what? What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
if there was no cap the Cowboys would win the super bowl every year. If there was no draft then teams like the cowboys, packers, steelers and 49ers would get all the top recruits out of college
>Not all of them are Bama-ULM
But most of the games are. Or they are two sub-par teams without professional caliber talent. Out of 64 games, how many are actually worth watching? 1? Maybe 2?
HOW TO FIX SHITTY NFL RULES
1. Ties are perfectly acceptable because competitive integrity should always prevail over ADHD armchair fans
2. In the post season Overtime there is no coin toss, the visiting team gets choice of receive, kick or defer
3. If there is a score in the opening drive, the other team gets a chance to match it
4. If a field goal is scored and then a touchdown, the game is over.
5. If a touchdown is scored and then is answered with another touchdown, the game continues until a winner is decided.
You force players to teams they may not want to sign with
John Elway and Eli Manning should be heroes
A cap would be okay by itself if it wasn't for the draft
College teams have to play at least 9 high level games a year
They can't avoid big teams to go to the playoff
You're rooting for a corporate creation that exists solely for making money
At least college teams started for.less nefarious reasons
>If there was no draft then teams like the cowboys, packers, steelers and 49ers would get all the top recruits out of college
That's not true at all
Most players would to a team where they'd have the most chance to play or the closest to home
The Yankees don't win the World Series every year
Better than the 0 with all of the boring ass offenses in the NFL
Or just go with college rules
Even if you don't like college football their overtime rules are so much better
The NFL OT rules are a variation of rules invented spur of the moment in 1958
>You force players to teams they may not want to sign with
You don't HAVE to sign with the team that drafts you. Look at Bo Jackson
>drafted by the bucs
>does whatever he wants until next draft
>drafted by Raiders
>Draft ensures bad teams get a chance at being good
>Cap stops mega franchises from stockpiling all the talent
>The most well run franchises will still enjoy sustained success
Why are people so against socialism?