He's the greatest of all time. I don't care if the Packers lose this game. No QBs in history can do what he does. Give him Belichick and that system, and he's sitting on 4 titles right now, in half the time it took Thomas.
As I type this, Larry Fitzgerald. WOW. See, that is an example of where Belichick wouldn't fuck up.
>it goes where its supposed to
>it happens twice on one drive
>It happens three times in one season
Brady can't make that throw, especially not on the run.
He's useless without Edelmeme turning 3 yard catches into 30 yards. Complete system babby desu.
>shut down by the Dolphins
>1 superb owl
>1 NFC Championship
Yeah no OP, he's a beneficiary of playing in a division that's been historically terrible since he's been there, and even with a free trip to the playoffs handed to him every single year he's only managed 1 owl. He's not even in the discussion for GOAT, he's a whining manchild who will definitely cry about overtime rules in the post game, cap this.
Aaron Rodgers is good, but he's not even in the same discussion as true GOATs like Montana, Unitas, Brady, Manning, Elway, Favre, or even someone who never won an owl (Marino.) He's not even franchise GOAT.
>can't win multiple super bowls
what are you even talking about? The only QB who could make the throws he just did was John Elway.
The rest aren't even comparable to that physical talent.
>implying team victories belong to one player
>implying team victories decide who has the most physical talent and athleticism.
>tfw Rodgers will never release his pent up frustrations on you
>tfw he will never pound your tight boy pussy with his 12 inch horse cock
>Ball goes where its supposed to go
You mean downfield? Its called a hail mary for a reason retard.
>Things can't happen multiple times out of the ordinary
>Brady can't make that throw
He doesn't need to cause he wins games without meme plays
>needs receivers to win
You got me there
>Implying the physical capability to make a certian throw makes someone a GOAT
If this were the case Jeff George would be considered a GOAT since he had more arm talent than Rodgers ever had. Face it, he gets free playoffs every year and still can't get it done.
>you mean downfield
yeah, the thing is most qb's would throw that very inaccurately. Either too far or too short, very few players can actually throw a catchable Hail Mary, retard.
>wins without meme plays
>their entire offense is meme plays
>needs recievers to win
Yeah, the thing was, Rodgers was completing epic passes to literally whos. Something Brady HAS NEVER done.
Put Brady on the Packers and they don't even make the playoffs.
>let me just compare a complete failure to a guy who wins in the NFL.
>free playoffs every year
This applies to so many teams.
>Colts (if theyre healthy)
come to mind immediately. Actually the NFC North put more playoff teams in than those conferences, lel
Edelmen is a literal who. Welker is a literal who. The only two talented receivers Brady has ever thrown to are Gronkowski and Moss. James Jones is more talented than any wide receiver on New England right now.
You're a typical millenial babby who thinks because you say something is the best ever it is. You've been given plenty of great arguments against what you've said and your response is "hurrr durrr he throws a nice hail mary."
One QB in history can do what he does? Maybe.. I think Young and Staubach played very similar games and had the same kind of tools.
Also he is not the best of all time. Getting a hail mary catch doesn't mean much. He did well to escape the pressure but that was a huge part luck, bad D and the WR making an amazing play.
>Most QBs can't do that
Except Every QB can chuck a ball far
The patriots are the anti meme
Brady turns literal who's into Goats, excluding Gronk, you're a booty blasted puckler and your tears are delicious
>wins in the NFL
>Implying anyone in the NFC north has been good since he's been in the league
>Still only wins one owl.
He hasn't even accomplished as much as Russell Wilson in terms of winning you fucking autist. Rodgers is like #4 in this era at best, let alone all time. Brees, Manning and Brady all have much better claims than Rodgers.
Edelmann is a far better receiver than Jones.
Edelmann knows that he shouldn't run his routes at a DB.
He also doesn't quit on routes.
Regardless, Gronk alone is better than janis/abadoodle/jones combined
>a literally who
lol no, hes a well established commodity who carries Tom to wins.
an effective receiver on two teams before concussions ruined his career.
You're a typical Brady idiot comparing established successful NFL recievers to a guy from training camp who caught 4 NFL passes this entire season. And you're doing it because you're butthurt at the truth.
Brady is a system babby on a team with a good system. He is not comparable to Rodgers, Favre or Elway. He is just not even in the same league with those guys, athletically speaking.
I'm not even a Gaytriots fan tbqh senpai. You're just a butthurt autist that your QB takes dick on and off the field. Stay mad fudge Packers fag, your meme throws couldn't save you from a better team, and Palmer's play > a meme mary. Even guys like Phillip Rivers and Cam Newton did a lot more with less this year.
To be fair, every receiver in a good offensive system that doesn't put up numbers elsewhere could have been literally whos their whole NFL careers if they never played for the Pats/Pack
literal who based on what, their draft position? fact is edelmen always gets open and gronk is the biggest fucking security blanket in the nfl. by your logic tom brady is a literal who because he was drafted in the 6th round. he just benefits from the system. i'm glad we agree on that.
hes not my QB, he's just the best QB in the league from an athletic standpoint.
Manning and Brady do not compare. Their strength is in a different area of the game. They work their systems and schemes very effectively, thats their strength.
Comparing them to Rodgers is moronic to say the least. There is no comparison to be made.
Brady vs Manning for best field managing QB. Thats their only legitimate comparison.
When you start pretending either one could do what Rodgers does physically and with the lack of talent around him, you just look like an idiot fanboy.
>Edelman always gets open
Have you ever played Football you faggot?
Do you know how playcalling works? He's a good receiver because Brady puts him and the ball where they need to go
Maybe they were "literally whos" before, but Edelman is now one of the best slots receivers in the game, and you would be a casual or an idiot to say otherwise.
That's like saying the Ben made AB, faggot. Edelman and AB practiced fucking hard to get there.
Brady might have helped, I agree, but he didn't gave him that quickness and elusiveness after the catch.
What does he do physically you retard?
Chuck balls into open fields hoping a receiver gets them?
Physically loses big games all the time?
Physically takes cock in the as?
And we all know you're a puckers fan, you don't need to hide your shame here, it's an anonymous image board.
yep, you can't argue with flawless logic. edelman always gets seperation and has a lot of speed. it's nothing brady does. brady is just a system babby with a great coach. years will pass, his stats will be analyzed and it will prove he's overrated. tom brady's stats are mediocre when he's not throwing to hall of fame talent like gronk and moss. FACT. brady's accomplishments won't stand the test of time and rightfully so. shitriot "fans" always throw their entire team under the bus and don't give credit where it's due. gronk is that entire offense yet shitriot "fans" think brady is the goat. awful fan base
So your argument is two plays completed that literally can only work if the defense breaks down and makes mistakes. K.
I guess based on your argument since Cam Newton has more arm talent, is faster, tougher to bring down and had even less talent at wide receiver this year yet played considerably better than gayboy he's the eternal GOAT.
Entire offensive line injured. It was actually when Dion Lewis got hurt and their O-line died that the offense started struggling. Dion Lewis made that offense go at it's peak and they've missed him all year. It literally doesn't matter who plays in the slot in New England, Welker was a bum in Miami and only had a good career because Brady and Manning. Same for Edelmen.
Did I say that Edelman isn't good?
Tell me, do you think he'd do as well on the 9ers? No he wouldn't, they're both good players, and they work well together, but No quarterbacks can hit Edelman right where he needs it like Brady does faggot.
Maybe because he missed games because he was injured?
Maybe because your stupid ranking includes RBs? (which always have better YAC because they usually come out of the backfield).
At least try, fucker.
>Brady fucks women
Who have fucked black men.
>Why did Brtady struggle without him
Except he didn't retard, his only "bad" games were against the Dolphins and Jets, the Jets have an actual good defense, and everyone has a bad game once in a while, especially against division rivals, I don't fucking care what you think, if Brady loses his Top receiver he won't do as well, he still did good, but not as well
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas.
He doesn't have Belichick. He doesn't have New England. Thomas Edward Brady is the greatest quarterback who ever lived.
QB's that had better years with similar talent at WR this year:
Russell Wilson (led NFL in Passer rating believe it or not)
Aaron Rodgers was literally 15th in Passer Rating this year. He had a 0.4 better passer rating than Jay Cutler who was throwing to Mark Mariani and Josh Bellamy all year. You're a fucking retard if you call him GOAT.
#1 Those games were at home
#2 Better O Line
# 3 Healthy Lewis
#4 Edelman wasn't a big impact in the Jets game
#5 He's still one of Brady's better targets, no one's saying he's not
#6 You smell like cumin and sweat
Checkd and Rodgers would love Ginn, there is no healthy reciever on the team that could get behind CBs and Safeties. Rodgers would do as much or more with Ginn. Cam also has an elite TE
>everyone masturbating over Rodgers "down" year
>still a coinflip away from the nfc championship game, stellar TD/INT ratio with eddie "350lb" lacy as the most talented player around him
face it bros, he's fucking magic
>paying for a piece of paper with no legal claim over ownership in any capacity of the Green Bay Packers
Blindly throw a ball into the end zone. Wow,
No ones ever been able to do that before.
I can hit a golf ball into the ocean. I'm Tiger Woods
And Tom Brady had
>revolving door of receivers, even resorting to James White, a running back, as a receiver
>no running backs whatsoever
>revolving door of OL, which was comprised of >50% rookies most of the time
Yet still was number 4 in passer rating, 11 places higher than Erin "I really really like girls" Rodgers.
All bullshit and joking aside, Aaron Rodgers and the Packers are a lot more likable than Tom Baby and the Pabst.
i.e. phags like >>64973855
Wish it had been the Pats that lost today.
GG Aaron "I really, really like women" Fudge Packer Rodgers.
You're like this fag I met who thinks Tom Brady is a media whore. HE LITERALLY SAYS NOTHING TO ANYBODY AND PLAYS THE NEUTRAL GROUND CONSTANTLY
It's not hivemind when that's his nickname, newfag
peyton and brees were great just a few years ago, age is catching up, but both still would have won more in their prime.
the only reason the steelers are in the playoffs right now is because of ben, he would have also won more championships with belichick's system. Carson would probably have won more, too.
>top 4 WRs out
>top TE out
>top RB is a fat slow fuck
>coach is a retarded fat fuck
>defense loses games over and over again
>still has highest passer rating of all time
He is freaking BOAT, look at that garbage "talent" around him. Jeff Janis? Jared Abberdaris? Who the fuck? Richard Rodgers? Who the fuck?
I wasn't really even comparing anyone to each other. It was more me being annoyed when I saw Tyrod Taylor had a rating over 100. When I first started watching that was a really impressive rating now half the qbs's can do that.
Peyton is shit in the playoffs, please don't make me pull up the copypasta. Brees is good, but come on, he's not as good as Brady.
And yeah, I'm sure the Steelers success has nothing to do with their receiving corp
Truly the Steve Young of his era
>get handed a great team by a GOAT
>take years to finally win a championship
>1 and done the rest of your career in the playoffs
>b-b-but muh QB rating
Let me tell you a little story
>once there was a big slow quarterback named Drew Bledsoe
>everyone loved this oaf
>pulled early leads all the time only to choke late in the game to lose
>everyone in NE says Bledsoe is great, just needs better weapons
>Bledsoe loses the first game
>throws the second and goes out on injury
>in comes some young plucky qb, Thomas Edward Patrick Brady
>leads an unremarkable team to an 11-5 season
>becomes the youngest qb to win a superbowl
yeah the rules are pretty shit. Which is why when Rodgers got shit on by Denver's defense I dismissed his GOATness.
I always root for the defensive teams when I'm neutral because of this
Sometimes you have to play Madden ball to get a win if you have clearly the inferior team (GB)...
GB's Defense has costed them their season in OT in back to back seasons, after seeing Rodgers convert a 4th and 20 and another HM i like my chances with A-God on the 2yd line in a do or die play for the win over counting on that GB Defense to get a stop
You are attempting to compare situations that are not comparable slugger, try again
the fuck you on about. Every reciever fucks up once in a while. The Packers recieving corp this year was consistently underperforming. They gave up on routes, timed incorrectly, ran into dbs, and were statistically one, if not THE, slowest corps in the nfl. No one could make the 40-yard dash in like 4.50s or somethig like that. Defenses aftee Denver were playing man-to-man like 70-80% of the time agaisnt them cause there was no real matchup threat. No quickness, no speed, no size. Plus let's not even get started with how inconsistent and ineffective the running game was. They had to start cobbas a rb because of how shit their starting rbs were.
2nd rate receiver made great by working with Brady
A literally who who's more prone to injury than a crystal wine glass at a sorority girl's wedding
A misfit Belichick saw the value in to sculpt the tight end to model all tight ends of the future
>defense blah blah blah
Belichick dropped two pro-bowler tight ends in favor of using homegrown cheap young guys
These players are good, but they're mostly good BECAUSE of Brady
I'm not comparing anything. I'm telling you that Brady wins. It doesn't matter who his receivers are. His attitude and leadership more than anything make him a winner when Rodgers can only throw HMs.
Is he playing in the pro bowl?
A team with
>He's a pussy ass bitch
>Dan Marino could still whip his ass and he played when QB's wouldn't get flagged if a defender touched their helmet.
>tl;dr: If Rodgers played 20 years ago he would have been out of the NFL 19 years ago.
COMING UP NEXT: DOMESTIC ABUSE
>armyfag visiting Phoenix btw
>TRAVELING OVER 1000 MIKES TO WATCH THE GREEN MEME MACHINE LOSE
yeah because antonio brown/the steelers offense as a whole was putting up so many yards with vick/jones instead of ben.
ben makes those receivers good, not the other way around, friend.
>Not the NFC South or NFC West pre-Carroll/Hrbaugh, nor NFC East
>the fuck you saying?
>You can't prove that Brady is significantly better than Rodgers champ
There is literally only one game that counts.
If and only if GOAT means greatest of all regular season.
>Osweiller takes over in 2nd, beats Pitt senseless.
Rodgers is the most overrated QB in football, especially this year.
Brady is hands down the GOAT.He's reached the AFC Championship Game 10 times out of his 14 complete seasons - 71% of his career, he's commanded a top-4 team. If he goes to the Super Bowl this year, he'll have been in one for 50% of his career. If he wins, he will have won 10% of all Super Bowls ever.
>"The Packers rank dead last among 32 teams in average 40-yard dash time for the top three receivers and No. 1 tight end, per ESPN.com's Rob Demovsky."
Brady would look worse. He's so used to elite quickness and releasing the ball immediately plus he himself is too slow to scramble long enough to wait until one of these lards gets open.
Remember when everybody tried to drag Brady down just to make Manning the #1 QB those few years? Brady made it impossible for even mental gymnastics to continue at that.
Now they have to try and compare him to a guy 6 years younger than him who is out of the playoffs while brady is still in and who lost to the same seahawks that brady beat last years. It's fucking hilarious.
It's so hard not to root for the pats with these legions of cockroaches always trying to bring them down.
No, everyone knows that Brady is great. But he has been blessed with so much AROUND him.
If you give the eye test it is clear that Rodgers is better, and that's all there is to it.
And I'm a huge Brady fan, I think he's GOAT. But Rodgers is BOAT.
>If you give the eye test it is clear that Rodgers is better, and that's all there is to it.
wtf is this supposed mean?
you cant objectively say this because numbers prove otherwise.
>b-but i-if Rodgers was 8 ft tall and 500 lbs he'd dominate the league
that's literally what you sound like
so no you're completely factually wrong
> But he has been blessed with so much AROUND him.
More like he makes everyone else around him so much better. Seriously, what is all of this talent around him and how is it so much better than any other good QB?
In 2009 the defense was ranked 7 overall. Patriots are currently 10 overall in defense. They were 8 overall defense last year (World Champions)
2010 Packers were fucking TWO overall in defense. Are you saying Rodgers is so bad that he needs a top two defense to win a superbowl? You're proving my point, faggot.
Nah, I'm not saying that.
Just to say he hasn't had elite talent is being disingenuous.
However, his ability to focus his team and motivate them to succeed is unmatched in the league (and probably the history of the league)
>has there ever been a top QB that has not had some elite receiving talent?
Nope. Receiving core shouldn't even be a line of argument unless the team is stacked as in Gronk+Moss+Brandon Marshall all at once.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Lol are you serious? Greatest coach of all time. Greatest WR of all time. Greatest TE of all time. Great defenses in Super Bowl winning years.
2009 Packers was a mirage. They sucked. They got obliterated in the playoff game and might as well have not been on the field.
Put Rodgers on the 01-06 Pats and he wins as many, probably more, SBs. Rodgers is just another level.
Fucking connections errors.
all of my posts were because of some (american flag) posts claiming ben is only successful because of good defense and good receivers. Those guys apparently dont think ben is good.
>Put Rodgers on the 01-06 Pats and he wins as many, probably more, SBs. Rodgers is just another level.
Again this is all conjecture with no observable facts or evidence. You're literraly basing your entire argument on assumptions,
>b-b-but what if..
Just stop. Please
You ask for objective stats, I give them, then you change it up.
It's just sad. You would have so much more credibility if you would just admit it. EVERYONE else can SEE the Rodgers is better but admit the Brady is the GOAT. Why can't you? Your homerism is absurd.
Don't forget 4th and 26, the 2007 Favre INT, the 2009 no-called facemask OT loss, the 2013 FG that went between the arms of a defender, the 2014 Seahawks disaster, and this 2015 disaster. It's insane.
>gave objective stats
>"lel you gave nothing"
>"lel only rings matter XD"
>Trent Dilfer is better than Peyton Manning amirite?
You idiots are clueless. I love Brady, I love Belichick, Brady is GOAT, but you morons make me hate the fanbase. Just fucking admit that Brady isn't the BEST of all time and people wouldn't hate you idiots.
Can't believe the ruling on fitz's "catch" is different than the ruling on dez's non-catch, they were exactly the same situation. Dez looked even closer to having made a football move than fitz did.
fucking hacks, all of em
>gave objective stats
WHICH ONES!? GIVE ME THE FUCKING STATS YOU CUNT
>blah blah better than pey pey
Yes, Eli is objectively better than Peyton. He won more superbowls.
>"lel only rings matter XD"
never said this at all. but even if you dont count the rings brady's numbers aren't that far behind your cherrypicked stats and his rings just put him way above rodgers
>even comparing brady to dilfer
this shows you know nothing about football
>passer rating, YPA, YPA+, TD%, TD%+, INT%, INT%+
I'm done, you idiots are useless. I list every relevant stat and you call it cherrypicking. Fuck off and die you underage faggot.
the fix is in. the powers-that-be don't care to see rodgers in the superbowl. they want seattle there as a repeat to try to make up for losing last year.
for the other side, they want a rematch of either the seattle/denver or seattle/pats bowls.
>Greatest coach of all time.
How good was he before Brady? Do you knock down Montana for playing under Bill Walsh? How about coaches like Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Paul Brown, George Halas, Tom Landry or Chuck Noll?
>Greatest WR of all time.
Who? A past-his-prime 30 year old Moss? The same guy that had averaged just 50 receptions, 775 receiving yards and 8 TD's a season in his three seasons prior to joining the Pats?
>Greatest TE of all time.
Potentially, he still has time left in his career, but I'm not gonna bullshit say Gronk isn't great. That said, they've only played 88 games together, including playoffs. Brady has played a total of 254 games. That means they've only been together for the last third of Brady's career, since Brady was 33.
>Great defenses in Super Bowl winning years.
Overrated statement. Nearly every Super Bowl winning team has had a defense that was playing great. Let's take a closer look at the defenses Brady and Manning had over their first 24 playoff games:
Peyton Manning's Defense:
>8004 yards allowed (333.5 ypg)
>482 points allowed (20 ppg)
>37 turn overs
Tom Brady's Defense:
>8114 yards allowed (338 ypg)
>475 points allowed (19.7 ppg)
>44 turn overs
>spends all thread trashing stats
>"hey look guys stats prove it!!!!!!!!!!!"
>Greatest coach of all time
Not saying he isn't, but without Brady he wouldn't be
>Greatest WR of all time
You're stretching the fuck out of this and you know it. Moss is the 3rd best all time, 2nd at the most. No way in hell is he better than Rice. And anyways, Brady had him for a year and a half and he was well past his prime.
>Greatest TE of all time
Not yet, but possibly. Still, only had him for a third of his career
>Great defenses in Super Bowl winning years
Pretty good defenses in Super Bowl winning years, but every D of this century to win a SB has been top 10 other than the Saints