When did Messi become the GOAT?
Probably here :
How could you guys.
Barca wouldn't be stacked without Messi. Imagine the scenario without him. Pep would win jack shit without Messi in his first season. Barca would win probably a league every 3-4 years maybe, if so, and no CL titles. Not so much trophies, sponsor and fan money to buy world class players like Suarez, Nerman etc.
How came Barca has the golden age just about last 10 years?
Barca without Messi is basically a better version of the Spain side that won 3 international tournaments in a row. Messi is just the cherry on top of an already delicious cake. He's never had to face any sort of adversity in his career.
How did the most stacked team of all time do when Messi went down at the end of 12/13?
Because I vaguely recall them getting their shit pushed in by PSG at the Camp Nou before getting bailed out by a one legged Messi off the bench and then they got obliterated by Bayern. This Barca generation wouldn't have won half the trophies they did without Messi
>This Barca generation wouldn't have won half the trophies they did without Messi
If it wasn't Messi they'd have bought some other superstar. They may not have won as much, but they'd still have dominated. Messi needs Barca more than Barca needs Messi, lets put it that way.
If its so easy in Barca and la masia why is there no new Messis? Look at all those Munirs and Bojans. Messi was a Barca starter at age of 18 and a ballon d'or finalist at the age of 19. He fucken scored a hattrick in el classico with 19. Why didnt Tello do that? He also played in a stacked Barca team?
>he's never had to face any adversity in his career
you mean playing with the most dysfunctional argentina squad in history is not adversity?
he had to bail out argentina 3 times in the 90th minute just to get out of group stages, and eventually made the Final without di maria or aguero, and no midfielder besides mascherano who plays CB for club.
Meanwhile 40 million people in his home country criticize him if he ever misses one pass by 10 centimeters
Looks better in my opinion.
> Getting cucked in your own hometown.
Barca and Halal madrid are always close in the league, Messi makes the difference. The only time Barca would have won the league without Messi is Poop's first season because madrid was trash. In the CL it's even more obvious, Messi decides so many big games.
>messi needs barca more than barca needs messi
Just like how messi needed xaviesta more than they needed him during their prime years right :^) But wait, why did messi have another goat-tier stellar year in 2015 when xavi has more or less retired and iniesta phoned it in for 90% of the season (except during their biggest games, based iniesta).
>h-he's not that talented, he needs Ronaldinho and Eto'o to perform
>h-he's not the best in the world, he's nothing without Xavi/Iniesta and Guardiola's system
>h-he's obviously declining, he wouldn't win anything without Suarez and Neymar
You forget to mention that their schedule wasn't that hard. Of the 9 games that Barca had to play without Messi in 2015 only a couple notable ones could've possibly troubled them. They were Leverkusen (H), Sevilla (A), and RM (A). Against Leverkusen they barely won 2-1 by equalizing on the 80th minute and then capitalizing on their momentum with another goal on the 82th. They lost to Sevilla, and RM was literally one loss away from sacking their manager. The rest were expected 3 point games.
In 2013 when Messi was out for 10 days with a torn muscle Barcelona lost to Almeria, Celta Vigo, and Real Madrid. They drew with Malaga. In that season Barcelona came in second in La Liga.
Oh now you mean the season in which the Messidependencia term was coined? The season where Messi practically dragged Barca to #1 in La Liga and where they needed him to bail them out against PSG when he was still recovering from injury. The season where Bayern famously stomped the Messi-less Barca 7-0. Come on now.
And all of them except Alonso are barca players. Face it, Messi is a luxury player. He wouldn't (and doesn't) look half as good in a team that doesn't completely dominate possession.
And NT level of competition is lower and Spain won those titles playing some of the worst football imaginable. They simply wouldn't be able to score against top club defenses.
>He wouldn't (and doesn't) look half as good in a team that doesn't completely dominate possession.
Remember the time when Bayern dominated possession in a CL semi final and Messi did not score the opening goal from outside the box against world's best keeper, did not put Boateng on on his ass to score another and did not assist Neymar to put it out of reach? He sucks when he's team doesn't dominate possession :^)
>And all of them except Alonso are barca players.
While most NT teams have to deal with the traditional problem of having not enough days to train together the Spanish NT has a core of Barca players. The advantage translate pretty well onto the pitch as we can see with Spain and Germany.
This goal is the perfect illustration of why his false 9 role was so deadly. Notice that the dribbles past right at the beginning is Ricardo Carvalho - a centre back dragged way out of position who, nominally, should be covering the space into which Iniesta runs
>Ronaldo’s sister, Katia Aveiro, wasn’t too impressed with the vandals, hitting out at them in an angry Facebook post.
Why does Ronaldo have such a hamplanet for a sister?
>where Messi practically dragged Barca to #1 in La Liga
That same season where they won all 10 games in La Liga without him
Bayern were stomping Barcelona regardless, Bayern were a great team that season and Barcelona just weren't that all that great relative to Bayern or Dortmund
Even Juventus too
>That same season where they won all 10 games in La Liga without him
Just so we're all clear. In those 10 games, he's including games when Messi did not start but came off the bench.
4 times he was brought off the bench, scored each time for a total of 6 goals and 1 assist in those games
Madrid finished 15 points behind Barcelona that season, they were shit too, 2012-2013 was a Bayern-Dortmund final for a very good reason, they were miles ahead of the competition that was already lagging
And I'm wrong, it was not 10 games, it was around 8 he didn't start
He become a GOAT when he scored that goal against Neuer in the World Cup final, slotting it in at the far post from a fairly difficult angle, winning the World Cup for Argentina.
Oh wait, he didn't. He missed that chance.
For some reason they just deny it, like it if will affect them in anyway. I guess they just dont want to see their personal goat to be replaced by him and they just will deny and actively attack him. Someday they will realise they just miss, not even the goat, but a great player through their lifetime and they will say "damn, Messi/Cristiano was really good".
just like happens with music