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>rags
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what's the general consensus on the snes outlook for this season?
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reminder that faggots like sean and kippers ruined hoc and everyone now posts on reddit
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>>51985531
They could fluke their way to wild card.

Homerfag reporting.
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>you will witness the death of the >rags meme once they win the cup this season
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>>51985531
They are shit and will end up trading Bobby Ryan
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>>51985531

Hard to predict. They'll definitely need goaltending to come up huge if they want a shot at wild card. Otherwise Bobby Ryan will be gone by the deadline.
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>>51985518

Sure but again, what's the point? You guys only talk about the Islanders, it must be a pretty slow and boring board
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>>51985657

>he thinks even if the >rags win that would stop people from >rags posting
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10th for josh cooper
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>>51985739
True, but at least I'll have bragging rights.
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>>51985531

Bottom feeders

>>51985650

>They could fluke their way to wild card.
>Homerfag

Wow good thing you said you were a Sens fan, I would have never guessed
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>>51985804
They did it two years ago and blew the fuck out of the Hasb in the playoffs.

>pricebabbys
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>>51985800
Which is exactly why shouldn't get so worked up when people post memes. If you win, you win. If you lose it's only meme.
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>>51985885
rekt
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>>51985887
I never was worked up. You're retarded if you actually thought I was just because people were saying "u mad xD" and spouting epic memes.
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>>51985885

Hey if you wanna talk about the past my team has 24 Stanley Cups and yours doesn't even have one

my team > your team
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>>51985974
>MY team
>we
lel
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What's the point of watching hockey this season?

The Canucks are going to win the Cup.
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>>51985949
>i-i wasn't mad i swear
pa-thetic
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>>51986006

''My (favorite) team'' isn't the same as ''we''
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>rags
shit team
shit fans
shit franchise
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Daily reminder that the rags have won one stanley cup since 1940
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>>51986136
>kongs
shit fans
lucky team
"literally-who" before 2012 franchise
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>rags
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>>51986208
Worst 06 team by far
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>>51986362
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>>51986362
lel
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>>51986429
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>>51985974
>Hey if you wanna talk about the past

Yes, yes I do. My team may not have made the playoffs last year, but at least they were spared the embarrassment of losing to the >rags.
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>>51986468
you need to update your banner brah
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>>51985657
Lemme guess, this guy will score 20 goals during the playoffs too, right?
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>>51986209
What makes the rangers a good team?
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>>51986545
53 regular season 20 payoff sounds about right
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Lets see what he says lmao
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>>51986667

>sam rosen
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Why do people hate on the Rangers so much? I'm guessing it's like 2 or three fag autists doing it, but still. I'm not even a Rangers fan but this shit is in every fucking hockey thread.

While I'm at it, generals are gay as fuck and ruined this board
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>>51986600
Their ability to let down their fans
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>>51986709
>rags
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>>51986709
>rags
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>>51986722
Look at how wet the floor is from his tears and I whoops forgot to take off the trip lol
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>>51986709
>rags
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>>51986670
What shall I reply /hoc/?
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>>51986600
Lundqvist.

>>51986709
/thread
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>>51986738
>>51986779
>>51986794
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>>51986709
>Why do people hate on the Rangers so much?

Because they were an 06 team with one of the best goalies of our generation that had the chance of denying the LA Bean Burritos and their lifelong fans a second cup. So fuck 'em.

>rags
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>>51986835
Post this picture.
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>>51986835
corny
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>>51986926
Who cares the LA got a cup? You're from Canada, you probably know like 2 people total that are bandwaggon Kings fans. You've got a lot of thinking to do if you let fans from other teams fuck with you that much
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hey guys.. i heard one of hockeys greatest, jean beliveau, is in intensive care and will most likely die in the coming days... can anyone confirm with a news article?
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>Vaughncouver won the coaching trade
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>>51987034
If so that sucks
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>>51987034
https://twitter.com/NHLexpertpicks/status/507319980573331457/photo/1

Hes under 100 lbs now and gravely ill...

we'll probably hear about his death very soon

what a legend he was
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Someone asked in the last thread, so I checked, Vancouver is ranked 8th overall in NHL 15 team stats.
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>>51987034
>tfw you will see a lot of hockey greats die in your lifetime
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>>51987167

Aww shit man
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>>51987011
>>51986926
Im pretty sure Kings fans dont even exist

I for sure have never seen one. Most people would say the same.
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>Wayne Gretzky will die in your lifetime
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>>51987171

That's because the EA team is a bunch of Indians from Vancouver
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>>51987233

You were so confident...it was so adorable :3
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>living past 25
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>>51987171

>EA sports
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>>51987359
>Post as anonymous

LEL

What are you so afraid of?
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>>51987678
>uses a trip on anonymous imageboard
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>>51987678
>Posts with a trip
>wanting an online identity on an anonymous imageboard
You must have a sad life.
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>>51987736
>Posts anonymously on a SPORTS board

lel you are the type that is afraid to admit what teams he is a fan off. Butthurt as fuck xDD

>>51987781
Epic :DDD
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>>51987834

i'm not afraid to admit it at all, i'm a rags fan XDD
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>being a tripfag
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>not having your team namedropped during Thursday night football
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>leastern conference
>rags
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>>51992404
>no snow
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>>51996145
Jew Blackets
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>>51996145
JMFJ sucks dick
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>>51995987
>that picture

:3
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So war on ice > progressive hockey right?
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>tfw your team is better than all its rivals
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>>51996360
Grats
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>>51996427
tanks brah
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>>51996360
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>>51997007
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>>51997007
>laffs
>#19

LELMAOOOO
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>>51997202

>mfw
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>>51997007

>sabres #5 rank

I'm okay with this.
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lol
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>Haven't checked /hoc/ in a year, wonder if tripfags are still ruining threa..

See ya next year!
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>>51997444

>instead of just filtering trips I don't like I'll complain about them and start some faggy tripfriend drama

Good riddance
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>>51998154

>implying 9/10 /hoc/'s aren't just tripfag drama

How are you supposed to filter it out?
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>>51996287
yep
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>>51998578
>EA
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>>51997367

Urgh, I thought this faggot left because he got BTFO earlier this year, what the fuck
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>>51996197
>>51996236
>sick burn, bro.
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HOW ARE THE BOSTON BRUINS GOING TO BE THIS YEAR

Sorry I dont follow the sport much but either way im still a die hard Boston fan
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>>51998650
>>51998650

how very bombston of you
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>>51986136
>shit fans
They raised thousands of dollars so a guy whos infant daughter died so he could go to a stanley cup game.
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>>51998578
How does a arena not get into the game?
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>>51986709
>>51986738
>>51986779
>>51986794
No really, I don't fucking get it either. They won the east and made the playoffs 8 of the last 9 years. I don't understand why people treat them like they're islanders tier.
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>>51998698
Too see them lose lel
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>>51998790
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>>51998667
kek
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>>51998787
I have seen people say the United Center not getting in has something to do with the way the Bulls structured the rights with 2K Sports but I don't know what the problem is with the Hurricanes arena.
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>>51998813
He actually saw the one win. So good for him I guess?
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>>51998578

>Your motto is ''It's in the game''
>It's not
>EA sports
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>>51998578
EA is such a bad company they make the Laffs look like an incredibly well-run franchise with all-star players that makes the finals without fail every year and never goes more than 5 years without winning the cup.

The only thing more certain than the Wings making the playoffs is that EA's hockey games will continue to suck ass.

EA is so full of shit even goons like Lucic are ashamed to be affiliated with it.

Bettman has more honesty, charisma, work ethic, and devotion to the sport than EA, and he opens franchises in fucking Las Vegas.

When the >rags get tired of being made fun of for being the >rags, they just remind themselves they aren't EA, and they don't feel so bad.

If Canada never won Olympic gold and no US franchise ever won the cup, both countries would still be infinitely more successful than EA.
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Reminder the next team to bandwagon is Zemgus Girgensons and the Ruffly Sabres.
>>51997007
Im kinda suprised the Sabres do that well but then i remember they have always have some big positive to outweigh any negative like good goaltending or a great draft pool
>>51998578
>trust EA
>EVER
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>>51997007
>haven't won the division in 27 years
>haven't had home ice in the playoffs in 24 years
>haven't made the playoffs in 8 years
>still have 15 winning records

kek
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>mbw da blackhawks win da stanleyc up
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>>51999996
Bollig doesn't even play for the hawks you filthy beaner
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>>51999049
It's times like these when I wish some based indie developer is secretly working on a fucking boss of a hockey game for XB1/PS4/PC that'll blow EA's efforts out of the water!
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>>51998596
There wasn't enough >rags posting in the last couple days. It's like garlic to that faggot.

>rags
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>>52001728
lol'd
lol'd again when I saw filename.
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>>52000073
You mad? Hawks are the favorite for me this year.
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threadly reminded that CBJ will win metro this year
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>all the dumbasses who will buy next gen NHL 15 without reading anything about it
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>>52002611
But I want it so much
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bump before sleep

see ya later /hoc/
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>>51987268
;__;
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Looks like MacKinnon has been roiding hard all summer.
When will the NHL stop being a joke when it comes to doping?
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>>52005202
He's 19 year old bro.
Dudes still growing.
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>>52005224
No one grows 15 kilos of muscle in a month.
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>>52005237
Source on 15 kg in a month?
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>source

my eyes.
He was a skinny little shit in the playoffs, now he's Hulk Hogan jr.
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>>52005293
>source
>the opinion of a retarded slant eye who spends all his time shitposting on a Taiwanese pedophile cartoon website
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>>52005293
You'd think with all that money he could have landed a white girl despite his deformed face but no.
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>>52005315
>the opinion of a retarded slant eye who spends all his time shitposting on a Taiwanese pedophile cartoon website

You just described all the Canashits here.
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>>52005202
>thinking there's something wrong with roiding

I wish they'd just fully allow it. We would get some genespliced animal-human hybrids within two generations.
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>>52005320
You're not the same finshit shitting up the nfl generals as of late are you?
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>>52005340
>posting in a nigger egg thread

Not even zero times.
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>>52005339
They pretty much fully allow it already.
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>>52005372
Are you the finshit in nfl generals?
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Puljujärvi just won the MVP in the 4-nations tournament.
Has anyone ever done that before as a 16 year old?
Laine a shit.
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>>52005469
Still not as good as Auston Matthews
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>>52005466
>>52005351
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>>52005481
>this is what Americants actually believe

Matthews is nothing special, Puljujärvi and Laine will both go before him.
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>>52005481
>Auston Matthews
>6'0
>Still playing U18
>Better than Laine and Puljujärvi
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>>52005501
But neither of them are as good as Logan Brown.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=248391
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>>52005551
>a giant dominating midgets

Yeah we'll just see how he plays against big kids and men.
We've seen plenty of these in the past.
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>>52005539
> Finnish Leagues
> Not even good enough to keep their best team from leaving
Pick 2
Lliga would be comparable to a major midget league in NA
Don't believe me? Michael Keranen the leagues leading scorer last year can't even make the Wild's AHL team lmao
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>all these shit tier countries arguing over who's second best
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>>52005551
I have no idea who this kid is, that means he is a future 3rd rounder at best.
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>>52005602
> Canada
> Relevant worldwide
Pick 1
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>>52005623
Well I wouldn't know either if the only 2 websites I ever visited were 4chan and KalPaSluts.org
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>>52005598
>durrrr

He will do fine once he gets used to the small rink.
You're talking about an undrafted puff nut who just had a career year.
He would never be able to do that again.

> Not even good enough to keep their best team from leaving

Lel wat? Jokerit were the Laffs of the Liiga, they haven't won shit since ancient times.
Liiga is easily a better league than the AHL.
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>>52005662
I'm an expert and you should take my observations more seriously.
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>>52005696
Official League Power Rankings
1.NHL
P
O
W
E
R

G
A
P
2. AHL
3. KHL
4. SEL
HUGE GAP
5.ECHL
6.NLA
7.Extraliga
8.Lliga
9.DEL
10.CHL
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>>52005751
>Being this delusional

AHL is below KHL, SHL, Liiga, DEL, NLA and maybe even Extraliga.
Markus Granlund is a superstar in AHL.
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>>52005808
The AHL is the 2nd best league in the world lmao.
>Muh Golden Helmets
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>Toni Rajala is a ppg player in the AHL
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>>52005839
I seriously hope your joking.
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>>52005636
>muh military
>muh economy
I always get a chuckle over amerifats bringing up other aspects of their country when they get BTFO in hockey threads
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>>52005888
The KHL has teams that are better than ahl teams, but overall most teams are shittier.
This is an objective fact.
Shut the fuck up
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>>52005949
Holy shit you must be literally retarded.
The best AHL teams would be in the relegation rounds in Liiga.
They would get their shit absolutely kicked in KHL.
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>>52005949
>AHL

Is this the same league where Travis Morin just scored 88 points?
And Corey Locke scored 86 points?
Corey fucking Locke sucked so bad in Liiga that he got fired mid season from the worst team in the league.

AHL is a decent development league but 80% of the players there are absolute shit.
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>>52006088
So why would Lligas top scorer leave that league and come over to play in the AHL retard
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>>52006014
>liiga
MY SIDES
A Canadian perennial ahler won your shitty chink made hart trophy rip off
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>>52006209
Because he is signed by the NHL team who owns the AHL team and they assigned him there you absolute retard.
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>>52006232
And he had the choice to return to liiga or stay in the AHL and he chose to stay in the AHL lmao
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>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jori_Lehterä
>gets BLOWN THE FUCK OUT of the ahl
>gets in his rickshaw and sprints back to finland
>puts up 69 points in 57 games
TOP LEL
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>>52006229
Are you talking about Steve Kariya?
He would have been a solid NHL player if he wasn't so tiny.
His game was perfect for the big rink.
Despite being a midget, he still managed to play some NHL games, so it's not like he was a talentless scrub.
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>>52006311
Maybe because he can't be called up from the Liiga.
Are you seriously this stupid?
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>>52006340
>d-durrr
Top prospect in the middle of development.
He just signed with the Blose after dominating in the KHL.
Canada confirmed shit tier in hockey knowledge.
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomas_Zaborsky
>can't even crack an AHL lineup
>straps on a paddy hat and moves to finland
>puts up 59 points in 52 games
>mfw
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>>52006405
>top Finnish prospect
>is 26 year old
>hasn't played an nhl game
Seems about right
PEAK LEL
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>>52006426
Are you cherry picking developing young players on purpose or are you just stupid?

>a guy straight from juniors struggles a bit going pro
>finds his game later in Europe and puts up a few good seasons
>developes in to a pretty good hockey player
>go figure
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>>52006492
He was a top prospect back then, now he is a professional hockey player signed to a one way deal in the NHL.
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Canada getting BTFO.
I'm having a deja vu.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juuso_Riksman
>assigned to an ahl team
>puts up a 15.55 GAA
>gets butt pummelled so hard he literally leaves the team after one game played
>returns to finland and dominates the league
OH GOD
>finland
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>>52006546
Oh really?
How come he is 26 and playing his first NHL game then?
Seems a bit old for such an ELITE prospect
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>>52006522
All these players have won the Lasse Oksanen trophy as the best player in your "league"
Lmaoooo
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>>52006663
>1 period
Nice sample size you got there Ching Pong.
Getting a bit desperate are you?
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>>52006685
Because he was making millions in the KHL.
Why would anyone grind it out in the AHL when they have the option to make money in Europe and still land a one way deal in the NHL when they want one?
The Blose have been trying to sign him for 3 years.
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>>52006741
>can't even last a full game in the ahl without getting pulled
>returns to Finland and puts up excellent numbers
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>>52006772
>Why would anyone grind it out in the AHL when they have the option to make money in Europe and still land a one way deal in the NHL when they want one?
Because if he was actually good, he would excel in the ahl and make an nhl roster.
But yeah, playing seven games and getting one (1) assist is good.
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>>52006791
Every single goalie has bad games every now and then.
You trolling is shit tier even by canadian standards.
Riksman was always streaky but when he was on his game, he was good.
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>>52006852
>Riksman was always streaky but when he was on his game, he was good.
Yeah when he played against inferior chinks in finland, he did good.
He got BTFO so hard he quit the team in an actual relevant league.
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>>52006606

Olympics
Appearances 14 (first in 1952)
Medals:
Gold medal.svg Gold: –
Silver medal.svg Silver: 1988, 2006
Bronze medal.svg Bronze: 1994, 1998, 2010, 2014


note the dash

lmao
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>>52006839
7 games is not even a sample size.
GTFO
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>>52006949
I can't help it if your shitty "prospects" can't last long in the ahl and haven't played an nhl game despite being 26
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>>52006839
This is really simple.
Would you rather develope making millions or develope making peanuts?
If you answer the latter, you are legally retarded.
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>>52006879
He's been getting BTFO almost every season everywhere.
He just isn't that good of a goalie consistently.
You should also note that the AHL salaries are shit tier, so if a player feels he isn't close to breaking the NHL, he will bolt if he's smart.
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>>52006984
If he was good, he would make the nhl, and get paid.
He's not, (until proven otherwise in a relevant league) so he had to bolt to the KHL where they pay third rate shitlords big money
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>>52007126
How many 19 year olds make the NHL right off the bat?
He played those games after a full SM-Liiga season + relegation rounds.
He simply went there to play some playoff games, he was never going to play in the AHL long term.
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KHL fan is here.
Have you ever watched KHL?
I don't know how you decided about AHL as 2nd league. Some KHL's top teams can kick ass weak NHL clubs. I am sure that Metallurg Magnitogorsk, Salavat Yulaev, CSKA, SKA, Avangard, Jokerit and Lokomotiv can be stronger than Buffalo, 'Canes, Florida, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver and, maybe, some other teams.
If you don't play in America doesn't mean that you are bad player.
If there are would be KHL vs NHL games... I don't think that we would lose all of them. Maybe, one day these leagues will be equal. But it's a question about politics and life in Russia, too. Americans and canadiens can't get it, but you don't understand fucking high level of life of your countries.
KHL is 2nd league of the world. You shouldn't laugh on it. Kuznetsov, Nichushkin, Yakupov, Bobrovsky, Yakupov (yes, he had bad season, but he had an injury, too), Orlov, Tarasenko, Emelin - they wouldn't be good in NHL without KHL's career.
Do you know that some young players (even drafted) sometimes prefer KHL to NHL? It's not only because of money. Yes, we have too big salaries, but didn't you? These guys know that hockey is their life. They want to play with best. THEY DON'T WANT AHL. THEY DON'T WANT ECHL. Why the fuck I should leave my family, friends, girlfriend? Because of AHL career with pathetic thoughts and hopes about NHL two-sided contract?
Sorry for bad English.
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>>52007126
He did things the smart way.
He is 26 years old, a multi millionaire, not a single season riding the bus in the AHL and a one way NHL contract in the pocket.
A straight up boss.
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>>52007193
>How many 19 year olds make the NHL right off the bat?
All of them that don't suck dick.
The average age of an nhl player is 27.8 years old.
He is going to be 27 within a few months of playing in the nhl.
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>>52007215
JOKERIT
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>>52007280
>All of them that don't suck dick.

Canashits confirmed shit tier in hockey knowledge.
Protip:
>almost no one makes the NHL as a 19 year old
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>>52007321
Most good players make the nhl in their early 20s.
Lehterä is 26 and will be 27 within a couple months of playing his first game.
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>>52007385
Lehterä is making the league at 26 because he refused to sign a contract with the Blose, not because he wasn't good enough.
Can't you get that installed in your thick skull?
He was happy playing in the KHL, without the unstable situation in Russia, he or Kontiola would have probably never signed in the NHL.
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>tfw incited Canada vs Finland riot
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>>52007215
> Muh 4 teams that get all the talent and win every championship. They are AHL level at best right now and if talent was spread evenly throughout the league like the North American leagues this wouldn't even be a debate
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>mfw Lehterä only has to play 2 seasons and he can cash in as a freeagent.
The guy is a real businessman.
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>>52007487
>Muh 4 teams
I have only one local team.
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>>52007512
LEL
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>>52007437
He refused to sign because he is dogshit and knew he couldn't make the nhl as evidenced by his incredibly poor play in the ahl.
He could be three years out of his entry level contract and making way more than the KHL will ever pay him.
But instead like a coward he hid in the babby leagues.
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>>52007527
KHL is like European Soccer, in each league only the top 3-5 teams are competitive every year, and those teams buy up all the talent, making every other team irrelevant.
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>>52007553
This is getting pretty sad at this point.
You should probably log off and delete your 4chan account.
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>canudians and murricans thinking AHL is anyway a good league

wtf guis :DD
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>>52007437
you got a source on the whole "blose trying to sign him for past 3 years" thing?
>>52007256
>A straight up boss.
a straight up boss would have made the NHL when he was like 18. a straight up boss doesnt have to fuck off to the KHL to make money
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>>52007572
We prefer word "football".
It's not true. SKA has most of the best european/KHL/ex-NHL players but they suck dick every year. They were beaten by 8th team last time.
Torpedo, Metallurg Novokuznetsk (yes, we have two Metallurg in one league, it is okay for soviet teams), Avtomobilist, Dinamo Riga, Dynamo Minsk - they don't have players like Kovalchuk, Radulov, Sobotka and others, but they can fight with strong teams.
You just don't live here. We have only a few of teams who really weak: Vityaz, Amur, Neftekhimik, Severstal.
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Doug Armstrong:
>"I had a good chat with him quite honestly at the Olympics at the dining hall," Armstrong said. "I told him that we were disappointed that we couldn't come to an agreement and he said at the end of the day, he felt he made a mistake (staying in Russia)."

>"We'd been dealing with the competition of the KHL and the KHL has been winning up until this year,"

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/morning-skate/blues-welcome-lehtera-after-long-wait/article_7e37fccc-6415-5610-9a47-a65b19d21fe6.html
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>>52007686
>>52007744
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>>52007744
He came for the new unis.
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>>52007741
Do Vityaz still play hockey like it's Slapshot the movie?
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>>52007686
Only very few players make the NHL as an 18 year old.
You have to be drafted by an absolute shit team or be close to a generational talent or a physical freak.
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>>52007807
No, they became pretty boring team. They had moved to the Podolsk from Chekhov, by the way.
And their biggest stars are Afinogenov and Lisutin (good goalie).
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>>52007899
That's too bad.
Always enjoyed the side show.
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Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC 1m
Peter Chiarelli just spoke with Boston media; said Steve Eminger will be signed to AHL deal and Ville Leino gets a training-camp tryout.

ayy lmao
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>>52007935
>Leino

Fucking lel.
He can't even skate anymore, what's the point?
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>>52007935
>desperate signings
>no capspace
>aging players
>no replacements for stars
>beta as fuck to begin with

Regression imminent
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>>52008085

>Regression imminent
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>>52007942
yet another finn who did better in the finnish "elite" league than he did in the ahl.
is there even one example of a player doing worse?
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>>52006340
>>52006426
>rickshaw
>paddy hat
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>canafats

:^)
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>>52008745
He does hold an NHL record for rookie playoff scoring.
Guess the NHL is pretty shit, when a guy who can't even crack the Finnish EHT national team is out there breaking records.
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>>52008745
>this canashit coming back only to get BTFO again.
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Ville Leino has never scored a single point in the national team.
He is a guy who is somehow able to appear on a score sheet in great teams, despite being complete shit.
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>tfw no hokkei
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>>52009374
>no hokkaido
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>>52005320
Yeah, that's amazing.

Well, you need physical skills to play hockey, not much of a brain.
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>>52009374
>>52009603
You have Liiga and Jokerit.
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>>52009747
>paying for hockey
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>>52009785
Still better than Phanuff
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>>52005808
granlund isnt even the best player on his ahl team. although ortio could be
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>>52010045
The Flames seem to disagree since he was the first call up.
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>>52010139
No i think reinhart and especially wotherspoon were given more playing time.
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Any fantasy /hoc/ leagues this year?
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>>52010636

I think Sharks4Cup is running one but I'm not sure if it's full yet
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>>52010708
got a link bro?
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Who the fuck gives a shit about how good the leagues are?
NHL is first so who cares?
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>>52010877
[email protected]
[email protected]
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>>52010993
thanks Kip
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>>52010926
>doesnt know anything about other leagues
typical amerifag hockey'fan'
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>>52011006
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>>52009747
Fuck off Russia Finland is NATO clay now
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the only reason habs have so many stanley cups is because saku koivu played for them before he had cancer
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>>52007215
Watched some during the lockout, it was just awful. Powder puff pussy bullshit
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https://twitter.com/HDumpty39

>Dipietro mocking his fragility in his twitter account name
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>>52011120
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>>52012107

>mfw he's right
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>>52011727
Why does he even have a Twitter? His team is irrelevant and he is too
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>>52012165
So are the rags and you, why do you even have a trip?
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>>52012159

''no''
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>>52012217
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>>52012192
>irrelevant
>gets 15+ replies just for saying one word
lel
Don't even get me started on how wrong you are about the Rangers being irrelevant. A successful team making it to a finals =/= irrelevant
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>>52012233
>rags
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>>52012252
epic
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Da Kings are da best
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>>52012383
underrated post
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>>52012383
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>>52011727
>mfw I traded DiPietro for Kadri a few years ago in my simulated hockey league.
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>>52012383
>rags
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So, any bets on who'll win CHL? From the games i've watched I'm betting on Luleå Hockey VS Spart Prag in a very tough final game
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>>52002611
can you even play online versus with a guest?
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>>52012491
is that the Hockey Champions League thing? Which leagues are participating in that anyway
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>>52012516
Fuck people who do that, its so cheap. Got matched up against this guy and his buddy and they got full on EA ice tilt, wated to throw my controler through my tv
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Why do people hate on the Rags? Boring team and fanbase.
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>>52012629
Shit fans
Shit franchise
Shit team
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>>52012629
>inb4 shit team maymay
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>>52012491
I don't even know who's playing in it.
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>>52012687
>In after
Rags just can't get anything right
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>>52012723
sorry I don't spend every waking moment of my life in this thread, retard.
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>>52012778
>rags
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>>52012778
>rags
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>>52012793
>>52012823
Did your parents not give you enough attention as a child or something?
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>>52012888
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNWbi1U-kf8

>rags
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>>52009011
Seems like Finns do nothing after their rookie season
Can't handle the hard hitting North American hockey
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>>52012540
>>52012702
http://www.championshockeyleague.net/
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>>52013432
good shit, thanks anon
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>>52013027
hahaha
good stuff
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>>52013432
KÄRPÄT
Ä
R
P
Ä
T
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>>52013432
w8.
Tappara and Bern are losing to some shit tier 3rd world teams I've never even heard of.
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>>52012569
yea i do not play people with a guest but me and my buddy like to play together. It is not like people are forced to play against us cause it shows before the match that there is a guest, so i agree it can be cheap but you are not forced to do it
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>>51985493
There he is. There he goes again

Look everyone he posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?? Oh my god.

I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room giggling like a little girl as you once again type your little '>RAGS' thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don’t even fill in the captcha, maybe you’re such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass so you just choose the picture. Oh we all know the picture, the epic Padqvist picture isn’t it? I imagine you, little shit, laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos onto the floor. But its ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh that’s right, did I fail to mention? You live with your mother! You’re a fat fucking fuck up and she’s probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all god damn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about a dumb /hoc/ meme. Just imagine this, she had you and then she thought you were going to be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand and then you became a NEET. A pathetic shitposting hockey NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can’t even talk try to you because all you say is "SHIT TEAM, SHIT FANS, SHIT FRANCHISE".

You became a parody of your own self. And that’s all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he’s done a million times now.

And that’s all you’ll ever be.
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>>52012569
It's actually harder unless your buddy is super good.
It's almost a guaranteed win
Get gud
>>
any eurobros wanna give me the rundown on the CHL?
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>>52013721
it just makes your forecheck incredibly OP if you know what you are doing
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>>52013724
It's just a rigged shit tie tournament that is supposed to grow the game in Europe but will end up as an epic financial disaster.
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>>52013771
Yeah I just adjust my defense to super conservative
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>>52013642
>rags
>shit team
>shit fans
>shit franchise
>no cups for Lundpads
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>>52013642
Would be better if it said "drop your Kings mug to onto the floor", because we all know who Rangers haters are.
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>>52014344
>kings
>fans
The only people on here who are kings fans are trolls and tripfags Sean.
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>>52013780
cool, thanks
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>>51987171

That's because the development team is a bunch of stinky paki hindus from BC.
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>Simmons "Jim Corsi, the guy the term was named after, was with the Sabres. That team was one of the worst analytically for the past 5 years"

Steve Simmons is bait personified
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>>52014419
And spics.
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>jew york
>rags
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Stars for 2015 Stanley Cup
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>>52015037
>dal-loss
lmao keep dreaming
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>>52015081
>keep dreaming

Rangers fan motto, right?
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>>52015081
>rags
Worst 06 team by far
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>>52015123
rekt
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>>52015123

5 star post
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>>52015123

Rags fans getting BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
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>>52015159
>>52015213
>>52015221
feel free to stop samefagging now
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>>52015236
you are so hurt
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>>52015236

>y-you're always samefagging!
>i-i can't stand it!
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>>52015236
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>>52015236
>rags
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Season ticket fag here today a qt grill phoned me to say she was my new ticket rep and to invite for an open house on tuesday will wearing a jersey help with holding my spaghetti? also is a jersey and sorts a decent outfit if its gonna be 100 degrees?
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>>52015285
Did you seriously fucking reply to yourself? you're such an embarrassment.
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>>52015236
This isn't funny anymore Sean.
You can stop now.
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>>52015311

?
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>>52015311
>rags
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>>52015311
did you seriously fucking lost in overtime to kongs?
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So, what drink names did your team get?
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>>52013724
Nothing worth paying attention to, just a bunch of second-rate players playing second-rate hockey.
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>>51987171
Tyler Bozak has an 87 and "elite potential" as well, according to them
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>>52014843
>even americans can't get away from toronto sports radio

It is truly the worst
>>
Threadly reminder that this happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr0m5bWAgk0
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>>52015454
>still wanting to prove that hes not a fucking loser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtZSgANdsHg
this happened too
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>>52015454
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>>52015454
doesn't count if it happens before you were born you raggot

Captcha : shown anal
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>>52015454
Daily reminder that one cup since 1940
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>>52015454
the only thing this video confirmed is that rangers can't ice for shit
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>>51986023
>>51985733
>>52012165

Threadly reminder that people like these should be purged like the vermin they are
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>>52015722
Daily reminder that zero cups since 1993

>>52015511
They fought well and I'm proud of them. Not the end of the world.
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>>52015904
Daily reminder that you were only able to win a cup because of a canadian
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>>52015994
It's funny because he always posts the same pictures of Messier with the cup then tries to shit on Canada
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>>52015994
>>52016136
>trying to speak logically with a tripfag
SHIGGY
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>>52016136
>It's funny because he always posts the same pictures of Messier with the cup
No I don't.
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>>52015306
Just wear sunglasses and it'll be fine no matter what else you wear
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>>52017007
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>>52017140
http://archive.moe/sp/search/tripcode/!!iS7x7yc%2F7U8/

I've literally posted 2 (two) pictures of Messier with the cup in the entire time I've been using this trip.

How does it feel to be a dumb motherfucker? I wanna know.
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Alright /hoc/ which shirt is most likely to get me laid tonight?
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>>52017256
Rangers, obviously.

But in order to get laid you actually have to be desirable. Sorry to break it to you.
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Pavel fuckin Datsyuk is the best player in the entire NHL fucking deal with it.
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>>52017256
loser
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>>52017252
>implying you haven't posted pics without the trip on
>rags
>absolutely retarded
pick both
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>>52017256

Go for the Leafs, and make sure to wear your sister's blue jeans and a pair of suspenders.

Bitches dig hipsters.
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>>52017252
will you ever not get BTFO?
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>>52017256
Anyone but the rags should do it.

If you wear that one people will think you're a jew or a pedo, and nobody wants either.
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>>52017392
Wow. Just wow. You actually went through the trouble of looking that up. Get off my dick.
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>>52017256
Toronto because then they'll think you're Canadian and chicks dig Canadians
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>>52017455
>he went through the trouble of going through the archive to try and prove he only posted the picture twice
>gets butt devastated when i take two seconds to search the image name and prove his bullshit

pa-thetic
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>>52017475

He looks like your stereotypical nerdy redditor, but your wall makes you look like a prick.
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>>52017392
Why do Americans think that bothers us??

Am I expected to give a shit about the Deadmonton Coilers? Or the Lames? Or the Senaturds? Or any of the shitty fucking Canadian teams other than the glorious Leafs? Seriously?

Such jingoistic fucks you Americans can be.
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>>52017528
Ask Lundqvist Will Win The Cup !!iS7x7yc/7U8

I personally never do it since I think it's just plain silly.
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>>52017506
You get bullied today or something?
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>>52017528
>the glorious Leafs
pls be b8
pls be b8
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>>52017475
>kanye poster
dropped.
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>>52017475
all that autism in so small a face
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>>52017256
>owning rivals shirts so you can bandwagon faster
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>>52017596
Nigger I'm not taking shit from a Rangers fan for one second, you can fuck right off bud.
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>>52017486
you sure?
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>>52017755
why would you save that you autist
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>>51987093
that says fuck you piece of shit.
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>>52017726
>47 years
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>>52017790
knew it would come in handy ;^)
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If Leino makes the Bruins roster there is no doubt that they will win the cup.
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>>52017475
Nigga fuck your dorm
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>>52017801
>rags
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>>52017475
Your posters suck too. Why do you have a Kanye poster instead of a Megadeth poster?
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>>52018004
can you fuck off please
thanks
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>>52018046
>rags
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>>52018046
>rags
>>
>>52018046
>rags
>>
>>52018046 lel
>rags
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>>52018046
>rags
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>>52018046
>rags
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>>52018353
>>52018284
>>52018283
>>52018198
>>52018180
>>52018155
>>52018004
Helloween: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhiY-KOfMpg
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>>52018046
>RAGS
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>>52018472
>not available in USA
thanks OBAMA
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>>52018155
>>52018180
>>52018198
>>52018283
>>52018284
>>52018353
>>52018509
You guys need to get a hobby. Go out and play some hockey or something. I'm concerned for your mental health. Saying the same things over and over is a sign of insanity.
>>
>>52018544
do you have aspergers?
>>
>>52018544
do you have aspergers?
>>
>>52018522
Gad dub it.
>>
>>52018544
do you have aspergers?
>>
>>52018544
do you have aspergers?
>>
>>52018472
>Helloween not available in the freedom zone
What song?
>>
>>52018544
do you have aspergers?
>>
>>52018761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhiY-KOfMpg
>>
>>52018866
thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHAWnYZVnWk
>>
>/hoc/ will never talk about hockey
feels bad man
>>
>>52019112
Shut the fuck up life long kongs fan.
>>
>>52018046
>rags
>>
>>52019112
There's nothing to talk about for at least another week.
>>
>Wilson says Sharks’ summer has ‘gone exactly the right way’
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/05/wilson-says-sharks-summer-has-gone-exactly-the-right-way/
>>
>>52019874
>only major acquisition john "literal dogshit" scott
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHA
>>
>>52019906
*figurative dogshit
>>
>>52020075
no, he is literal dogshit

for an analogy: have you ever seen The Nightmare Before Christmas?

The Oogie Boogie guy is basically a sack filled with a bunch of bugs. If you cut the sack open, all the bugs fall out.

John Scott is like that - if you cut him open, you'd see that he's just dogshit with a fleshy exterior.
>>
>>52020123
lel
quality post
>>
>>52020134
Samefag
>>
So how's school been /hoc/
>>
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>>52020186
no
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>>52020270
>not you
Clearly shopped
>>
>>52020270

the fuck kind of extension are you running that lists every post but yours as "not you"?

Also,
>not using tomorrow

fag.
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>>52020491
no fucking shit sherlock
still no samefag though
>>
>>52020491
I promise it's not.

>>52020532
>the fuck kind of extension are you running that lists every post but yours as "not you"?
:^)

Also, the theme is from appchan. I think it's called Muted, or something?
>>
>>52020213
pretty shweet
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>>52020213
Tfw teacher's a milf
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:3
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>>52021535
Not canadians, canuck and ranger fams
>>
sgaR<
>>
s???<
>>
>rægš
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>>52018040
Probably cuz megadeth is hot garbage
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>>52018040
because he's a kid
>>
So how are the Oilers going to do this year?

you fuckers....
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>>52023334
>Being over 20
>Being on 4chan
You can go drink whenever you want and you're still on 4chan.
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>CBC
>hockey

I can't wait for Harper to shutter them
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>>52023733
we're on /hoc/...big difference
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>>52023478

horrible as always
long live the rebuild
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>>52023733
>being under 20

That's sad
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>>52023957
> You can Legally drink
> You're still on 4chan instead of being downtown with your friends
Go do something
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>>52024411
i just got back from working comic con..so IM trying to relax with some good /hoc/ talk...but apparently that can't happen
>wtf are all the canadians..
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>>52023957

i'm 25 and what is this
>>
>>52024614

which con?
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>>52025448
SLC
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>>52025671

What's it like attending a con in such a sexually repressed state as Utah?
>>
>>52025718
A lot like banging your mother
>>
Is Utah just where Virgins move to in Adulthood?
>>
>>52025792

Nice #REKTage, but It's a serious question.

I'm genuinely curious what an event that attracts over-sexualized cosplayers is like in the state that was founded by polygamist religious zealots yet is #1 in online sex toy sales.
>>
>>52025792
Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy. Come here and tell me that, I'll fuk you in your ass you punk white boy. You phaggot. You can't touch me, you're not man enough. I'll eat your assshole alive, you bitch. C'mon anybody in here can't fuk with this. This is the ultimate, man. Fuk you, you ho. Come and say it to my face.... I'll fuk you in the ass in front of everybody. You bitch.... come on, you bitch. You're scared coward, you're not man enough to fuk with me. You can't last two minutes in my world, bitch. Look at you scared now, you ho.... scared like a little white pussy. Scared of the real man. I'll fuk you 'til you love me, phaggot!"
>>
>so i created internet persona's...
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>>52026086
Come on Sean thats how you come back?
Not your best work at all
>>
>>52026155

That's classic Tyson you inbred
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>>52025718
you'd be surprised how many chicks here truly get down...the ones dressed like Quakers; not so much
>>
>>52026086
sean plz we were having such a good time with you gone
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>>52026155
>>52026185
>>52027767
>insulting based sean
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>>52027846
>Sean
>>
Friendly reminder.
>l started creating internet identities online at a young age to escape bullying and being a loner in school, and it just kind of became apart of me and l haven't grown out of it yet. That's the truth
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>>52027846
How did I insult him you drongo?

I said he quoted Mike Tyson's classic line
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>>52027904
WTF IS A DRONGO
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>>52027896
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>>52027969
Ask an Aussie
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>>51997007

I'm surprised that the Wings actually are that high. Before the last 20 some odd years the Wings fucking sucked for like 2 generations.
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Reminder the Sabres will be #1 team by next year at the latest
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>>52021251

>Just started a new job, my first big boy professional job. Extremely professional environment
>My boss is really hot
>MFW she bends over in front of me
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come, sit with me /hoc/.

Tell me how the Blue Jackets are going to rape the rest of you. For surely, you cannot say, they can't?
>#stoned
"We Fight, We March"
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>>52028346
3rd or 4th place in the metro
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>>52028144
me don't think so
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>>52028346

The only people the Blue Jackets are going to rape are themselves
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>>52028365
I'd say 1st/2nd
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>>52028487
You're not finishing higher than the pens you retard
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>>52028643
pens are WAY overrated, and so is their coach...they could very easily fuck it up; as they've done in the past
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>>52028487
>>52028689
>Johansen missing camp

good luck
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>>52028487
he won't even be in training camp.
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>>52028371
My niglet
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>hockey begins in less than a week
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>>52029318
whats the point. another season so what. ill still be a loser with nothing good going on in my life by the end of the season.
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>>52028711
>>52028723
he'll be there..
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>>52029318

Pre season doesn't start for another 16 days retard
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>>52029352
the first step towards change is awareness

if you know life is shitty, go out and make a difference

get a job, get experience, move up the ladder

>>52029401
for you, maybe
>>
>>52029438
>for you, maybe

i-i was only pretending to be retarded
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>>52029454
well, as long as you were merely pretending to be retarded, that's fine

never go full retard
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>>52029542
>prospect tournament
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>>52029318
fucking finally.
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>>52029542

This is why nobody takes you seriously you dump nip.
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>>52029634
>hockey doesn't begin because my team isn't playing

is this your first year watching hockey?
>>
>>52029542
Sept. 14 your rookies are kill
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>>52029668
>prospect tournement
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>>52029668

>prospect tournament counts as real hockey r-right guise?

fucking retarded chink

even your countrymen agree you're an idiot
>>52029591
>>52029685

I knew you were stupid but no idea this bad
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>>52029542
>The Utica Comets vs. The OKC Barons!
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>>52029673
"no"

we're missing a bunch of really big guys due to college/KHL

there's going to be a ton of fights tho

>>52029704
>playing 3 full periods isn't real hockey

on the same vein, pre-season isn't real hockey either, since it's just a game to see which prospects are ready to crack the opening night roster
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>>52029744

>damage control activated
pa-thetic, xiaoping
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>>52029744
>prospects is kippers new buzzword for the season

funny.
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>mfw the Canucks have the deepest prospect pool
>mfw the Canucks are going to finish 1st in the regular season and go 16-0 on the way to win their first of their string of 7-straight Stanley Cups
>mfw the Canucks draft Connor McGaykid
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>>52029744
>mfw the Jets are finally seeing their "Disregard Playoffs: Acquire Prospects" strategy pay off
>>
>>52029826
Still pathetic.
>>
>>52029826
>Canucks are literally the worst drafters of all time
>>
>>52029826
pathetic
>>
>>52029828
>Zach Bell

Oh shit, I didn't know he was cleared to play. I heard he broke his leg or some shit in the playoffs.

It'll be fun to see how Petan will do. He's dominating the juniors pretty hard, but he's a manlet.
>>
>>52029911
Speaking of manlets, also will be interested to see Ehlers and what he can do.

Already pretty sure Morrissey is gonna be a beast in a couple years. Lowry will hopefully replace some of the trash on the Jets bottom 6.
>>
hi /hoc/
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>mfw the cantpucks miss the playoffs
>mfw the cantpucks suck hard, yet not hard enough to draft top 5
>mfw they placed 28th in GF last year and score even less this year
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>>52030067
well hello neighbor
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>tfw your teams twitter is filled with spam and hype for there meme Seinfeld jersey instead of training details
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>>52030687
my eyes
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>>52030710
yeah as far as gimmick jerseys go this one is especially bad
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the rags blow because they are so close to canada Kings are far from canada and less tainted
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Granlund scores 100 points
Wild is top 5 team
Barkov scores 60-70 points
Rask and Rinne are besy goalies
Panthers makes to playoffs
Avs dont make to playoffs
Drouin is a bust
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>>52031680
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>>52031720
retard
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>>52031680
>>
>>52031680
Fairly accurate post, although

>Wild is top 5 team

nope
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bump before sleep

peace out /hoc/
>>
>rags

>>52031680
>Avs dont make to playoffs

You had me going there Veli-Petteri
>>
Reminder that Finnish autists actually believe their "elite" league is better than the ahl, despite numerous pieces of evidence to the contrary
>>
Someone told me there's FOUR teams coming to the NHL

is this true, hoc?
>>
>>52036911
Finland truly isn't worth being called one of our hockey rivals.
Based Sweden is though.
>>
>>52037388
Yes, someone did tell you that
>>
Vote on the name of Las Vegas' team

http://strawpoll.me/2505455
>>
Brandon Carcillo got signed by the Pens to a professional tryout contract.
What are the chances of him actually playing this year? Bottom 6 thug needed?
>>
>>52019874
PFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH OH WOW
I CAN'T FUCKING BREATHE
>>
>>52038620
>2017
>voting for something other than "This is Bat Country!" on repeat for the next 30 years
>>
>>52038722
>brandon

I can see him being used in games against Boston and Philly. I'd honestly would rather him replace Adams entirely.
>>
>>52038836
Adams, while a bit of an old fuck at this point, was still pretty good on the PK last year though. I'm not really sure Carcillo could fill his roll.
I think he could stand to be in thrown in to aggravate people but he puts up a fuck ton of penalty minutes and the Pens already added several bigger gritty-type forwards on the bottom six that can play (Downie, Comeau, Spalling, resigned Goc)
>>
>>52038914
His 5 on 5 is terrible. The other team was pretty much on a PP everytime he was on the ice. If I could have it my way I'd play Zach Sill over Adams every game. Sill is pretty much a younger faster grittier Adams. He was also a shot blocking machine.
>>
>>52039078
>His 5 on 5 is terrible. The other team was pretty much on a PP everytime he was on the ice.
Certainly. He's definitely a role player but he excelled in his role.
>If I could have it my way I'd play Zach Sill over Adams every game. Sill is pretty much a younger faster grittier Adams. He was also a shot blocking machine.
I fully expect to see Sill get some playing time this year.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Kapanen get a couple looks as well, in a different role, of course.
I still wish Scuderi got bought out and Dumoulin/Pouilot brought up instead.
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>>52039266
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>>52039638
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>>52039638
Problem, arteries?
>master of chubs
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>>52039710
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>>52039755
>zero cups ever
Nope no problem here, you pasty pudgy pedophile.
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>>52039804
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>>52039638
>>52039671
>>52039755
why do you even bother with this?
are you just trying to aggravate people?
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bump limit reached

new thread

>>52039828
>>52039828
>>52039828

new thread

>>52039828
>>52039828
>>52039828
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>>52039266
Scuderi I'm willing to give a few more months on. Before his injury he was playing extremely good. Hopefully his ankle has healed up better and he plays like he did at the start of last season. I expect Bortuzzo to take over Orpiks role. I like Bortuzzo a lot and felt he should have been played over Engelland every game last year.
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>>52039841
>>52039755
>>52039671
>>52039638
what is the point of these
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