Can we have a general chat thread. I have no talking company since my sleep schedule is fucked.
What have you guys been doing with your spare time?
I've been playing Aveyond.
>What have you guys been doing with your spare time?
>tfw too worn out from work for sexy times
lying on my couch, all snuggled up in my blanket, just told a girl i don't want to meet tonight, now she's throwing a fit...think i'll play some games und just relax a little.
I've been trying to grind my way through The Witness. my game room looks like the den of a mad man with little tetris shapes cut out everywhere and sketches of puzzles that I've had difficulty with.
We basically read on how European laws are made, unmade, changed, how they impacted the member states legislation, that slrt of things. It's pretty cool.
I think if I don't become a corporate lawyer, maybe I'll try to be a European lawyer. Loads of cool stuff that comes with the job.
No no, plastic orks.
Nice, I come on here for nude references for drawing and chat when there's a good thread up. I've been drawing my whole life but I can't understand how you paint with such tiny details.
D0000d, post pics of orks please. I'm a warhammer painter as well, here's my most recently completed model.
...I don't pay attention/ talk to most people from /soc/. We all have some kind of metal deficiency and that becomes problematic when expecting normalcy from us/them.
But sure, hate her for herself. I'm not defending her. I was merely asking why people didn't like her.
Oh my god, I haven't played war hammer in years. You've some skill, stranger. I used to horde tyranids (I think that's what they were called) and I couldn't even paint them without it looking like a Jackson Pollock paint massacre.
lmao, I have a command squad (unpainted) but he and I could figure out point values, determine how far away from eachother we'd start, and then just promise to be honest about dice rolls. It'd be laborious and silly, but kind of fun.
It's all about a steady hand, and a few tricks here and there, like using some very watery paint that gets in the recesses to give the impression of shadows. And that's very basic stuff.
I'm working on these two buggers at the moment, I don't play anymore so I'm in no hurry to paint the 20 or so others that I have.
Come to the /wip/ thread on /tg/ for advice and feedback. From what I can see, you're already on a good track.
Training anon. A few techniques here and there and mostly a shitload of tutorials before even starting.
Not going to have a discussion thread when OP is a racist thundercunt :)
>she thinks apartheit was good for everybody in south africa
>she thinks that blacks and "immigrants" are awful people who only leech of everything
>immigrants is everything that looks remotely arabic btw
>she will tell you that youre a dumb underage libtard if you try to talk to her normally
I'm drinking coffee and watching people
Just got out of rehab
It was pot in this picture.
I don't take adderall or have ADHD.
Cause I hurt their feels.
Do you like the grill? Why can't you relax with her there? Relaxing with someone else is always sweet imo.
I just got a new tower of snus so my nicotine levels are high again.
Sounds interesting. I'm mostly a fan of 16-bit games tho. I'm playing the first one. I started off with the prequel. I wanted to play this game since I was young (around 7-8 since I was still in South Africa) but had forgotten it's name when trying to find it again. Finally I found it when reading forums about other rpg-maker games.
What did we talk about?
I think the only people I've butt heads with on kik are men clearly from /r9k/. Memetier self righteousness turns me off desu
Where are you from?
Being a lawyer is a great way to make lots of money and never enjoy it.
Fatima Merkel pls.
Stats don't lie.
They do leech.
Apartheid was better.
Immigrants are darker here in Finland, a homogeneous country ffs.
Your statements above prove you're an underaged libtard.
I state facts and you cry racism. No wonder germany has gone to shit. Enjoy your 600 thousand new immigrants.
I don't get much hostility desu. Most women are pretty cool to me. The ones that aren't are usually fake. There are a few I've called out before who will say anyone insulting them is me, and proceed to insult me, and when I open a thread I'll just kek.
That's it really.
Is the coffee good? milk or cream? Rehab for what?
I've smoked it once (Or well, during one trip to a friends place). Wasn't really into it tho.
It was free and I wanted to try. I don't think it's really a problem here so I don't have any negative connotations with it.
it is understandable and reasonable to be against immigration to ones own country
but how is apartheid different ......
if you don't want colored people in your country, why cant colored people not want you in theirs
>getting buttmade over others epinions
youre only frustrated bc shes mildly attractive
white people are scum too
South Africa's history is a long and tedious thing to explain. Firstly Most areas of S.Africa were desolate before whites came in. The areas that weren't were purchased. (They'd give the kings shit in return for land, and asked not to be killed. Africans obviously take the shit and still killed the whites. They only were outnumbered but had firearms.)
So whites built settlements to rest whilst travelling (It was always meant to just be a temporary thing) but after a while it expanded and some ended up staying. Africas flocked from all over to come into the paradise the Europeans created.
The Britts came in and saw all these blacks killing the whites, just cause. And they made the apartheid law, which was unwritten, but agreed upon. So the black men could chill out and enjoy the fruits of european men, as long as they leave them alone and don't kill them. After the boer set up an actual state they made it a written law, and that's when shit started. Communist terrorists like Mandela used it as a scapegoat to try and dictate S.Africa.
Anyways that's a REEEEALLY dumbafied and simplified and sped up history. You can read about it yourself.
I agree Europeans should have stayed out of Africa, and should continue to stay out. Offer NO HANDOUTS. And we'll see Africa BEGGING us to come back. I don't see Europeans ever BEGGING immigrants to come back desu.
Not ranting. Opinions.
you forgot to change your ID. I keked eternally. Feels good man.
Got some parts in for my motorbike today and they included the some pieces I needed that I paid $60 bucks for. Guy said they couldn't accept the return even though they were in the original plastic unopened. Now I'm sitting here fucking around doing my rebuild
Long story short don't buy anything that is Japanese imported
talking about yourself, senpai?
Dude you messed up.
You trying to make it seem purposeful is stupid. You waited 10 minutes between posts at the start, and as soon as you made a mistake, you spam 3 posts in a row. Common.
Wait what? You bought what you needed and the extras you wanted to sell? Am I understanding that right?
taking another sick day from work, feeling like shit. but also feelin good cuz i actually have plans to hang out with some friends from work tomorrow so i'm slowly regaining my old normie life that i had before i moved to florida. how's it going people
I bought 4 needle valves at $15 each because my rebuild kit didn't state they were included but they were. So now I have 8 needle valves when I only need 4. I was gonna use the $60 return to buy some weed too
France, but study in the UK.
Who cares if I can't really enjoy my mone, I just want to give my future children the opportunities my parents gave me.
I couldn't live with myself if I had to look my child in the eye and say that I can't send him/her to that awesome uni they got a place in because I was a lazy cunt when I was young.
that is a fanciful revision of the historical record
>most areas were desolate
by this logic, you should have no problem allowing immigration to your empty land
cannot tell if you're being serious but its a nonpoint
>killing the whites, just cause
just cause they changed their mind about letting whites in the country
>enjoy the fruits of European men
this is the lulziest part
Are you black or do you have some serious white guilt?
>by this logic, you should have no problem allowing immigration to your empty land
Sure. They'd freeze to death tho.
>cannot tell if you're being serious but its a nonpoint
Dead serious and not a nonpoint?
>Just cause they changed their mind about letting whites in the country
There weren't countries back then my friend. Just tribes far and inbetween. They changed their minds yet still took what the whites had to offer before killing them? The land was barren and the only reason the tribes were paid for that land is to avoid any violence. But ofc africans being africans they still tried to bite the hand that fed them.
>this is the lulziest part
So they don't enjoy any benefits brought from Europe?
Even that image is something brought to them by Europeans. Without it they'd be drinking mud.
Everytime Europeans 'teaching them how to fish' they seem to fail. One incident comes to mind where they set up a farm, bought the equipment and thought the villagers how to farm. They were doing well and the program left. They came back to barren farms and the equipment stolen by villagers and sold. They put up their hands and said "Well you gonna help us?"
kek. If europe had 0 intervention in Africa, Africa would be a great place to shoot movies about a post-apocalyptic world.
Funny how the ANC logo reminds me of a certain hammer and sickle.
Try selling it online.
That's the right mindset. My Dad has a similar mindset. But seeing him so unhappy is pretty sad.
Eh, you just have to find the right things to make it work.
Both my parents work so no one tely on the other to survive, children raised by nannies, which made us happy tonsee our parents when they were there.
Quality over quantity. So many of my friends can't stand still their mother because she was stayed at home, even though they left the house years ago, because she was there 24/7.
And you, what's your plan for life?
I want to work at a hotel. Receptionist at first and then manager.
I want to work with people but therapy and social work would be too depressing for someone like me. People travelling are usually pretty upbeat. So I love working at a hotel :p. Obviously want to get married and stay married.
In an ideal world I'd be a stay at home mom once I have kids til my kids are in their late teens but with the economy that isn't going to happen. There are reasons for traditional gender-roles. I used to hate my mom breathing down my neck 24/7 but now I realised she stopped me from messing up on many things and helped instill some sort of moral compass in me, which seems lacking in todays youths. My friends who are most put together had their mother staying home until they were atleast 8. My mom is a bit insane so it did some damage too, don't get me wrong. but she's an exception not the rule.
My Dad is pretty successful and for some reason doesn't want my mom to work. He hardly gives out handouts to me tho, so I don't really benefit from his success since we live continents apart.
I'm flattered anon
People gather info throughout their life.
What info are you referring to exactly? I'll source.
I don't know, I really want my wife to work, that'w be her freedom, she wouldn't have to rely on me you see?
We'd be equals, since we both bring money to the house.
Hopefully a scientist, otherwise the kids are fucked in maths.
You look rather small OP, and there's someone's head behind you think.
Yes I know, but which info?
S.Africa was not a country until long after the Afrikaaners visited and later settled. It was an expansion process. A semi peaceful tribe of khoi (Small bushmen. They didn't even have domesticated chickens til a few years ago, so claiming they started S.Africa...) inhabited some areas of the desolate original area. They got along fine and minded their own business. After that the afrikaaners expanded and met more 'civilized' tribes whom they paid for empty land the tribes claimed their 'own'. It all starts from there. You can pick up some history books or use google to read futher into that.
The program story is something from my grandparents who were engineers in S.Africa and had friends involved in the program in other parts of Africa. It's too late for me to ask her about it (program name and country), since she's probs asleep.
But something kind of related is that after apartheid, the black government forced whites to give up their farms for blacks to run. 90% of them are failing (You can just google for that stat. First thing that comes up is a BBC article. BBC is very pro ANC. So getting that stat from them means something)
S.Africa used to be sufficient in providing food for themselves. Not anymore. The blacks are LITERALLY biting the hands that feed them.
Families need things other than money to run smoothly. She won't rely on you for cash, sure. But kids don't run on purely money. They need guidance.
My father has a high IQ low EQ mother has a normal IQ and high EQ. I have a high IQ and my EQ isn't up to standards.
My sister has a normal IQ and normal EQ.
So it really depends on the person. I excelled in maths and my sister is terrible. She takes it in her mother tongue, and I took it in my 'second lang'. Even parents with high IQs can produce someone with a low IQ or very low EQ.
I'm 158cm. And I was at my Grans and she was cooking.
>tfw no south african racist gf
Hi guys, i'm entering the thread, all that shit seem interesting but i'm too lazy to read it all...
What's up everyone ? How was your day ?
My grandad died 3 hours ago btw, and i don't know what to feel...
well the thing is that i don't remember good time with him, we lived pretty close (my grandma house is like 300 meters away) but didnt had much contact, he was the quiet type of guy, never had a real conversation with him...
And i do feel happy now, he died from a cancer so we were all waiting for him to die and suffer the less possible, wich he did. Died peacefully in his sleep surrounded by his family without any pain (wich is REALLY great).
not black and don't have white guilt. do you have white anger?
of course they took what was offered; they were never in any position to refuse
the farm program proves that western countries cant donate their way into helping backwards countries make up for lost time developing
would you bring me room service pls
you are conflating failed policies of the black government with success of the white government, as if they both tried to do the same things which they did not
>do you have white anger?
> they were never in any position to refuse
They were. They outnumbered the afrikaaners. Why would you think that?
>the farm program proves that western countries cant donate their way into helping backwards countries make up for lost time developing
Yeah, so we shouldn't help. It's not our fault they wasted their time "not developing".
>would you bring me room service pls
I don't work in the kitchen
>as if they both tried to do the same things which they did not
Because sensible governments don't set out to do the impossible.
I'm only 'racist' towards blacks and arabs.
People like eastern asians that actually contribute to the world aren't a problem.
How old was he?
All the IQ bullshit in the world won't change how your kids are.
Some people have IQ scores out of the roof but shit in diapers their whole life.
My parents were strict when needed, but we all turned out well.
And it's not only money, it's values. The value of hard work, perseverance, dedication, honesty in business, keeping to your objectives, and in itself, the value of money.
But whatever, that's your life after all, I won't tell you how to live it.
Yeah you are a tad small indeed, but I guess about the right size for someone esle with dirty ideas in mind.
Grandad died a week ago. Didn't cry until the funeral itself, which was a week afterI learnes the news. You'll get to it man.
Remember the good times, and that he's gone for a better place now.
I don't get the correlation between a scientist wife and kids that do well in math then?
That's sort of what I was trying to say.
I think one parent at work and one at home will teach children a diversity of values.
Filipino's haven't affected my life in any way. I don't have any experiences with them, so no opinions on them. Gomen.
I know baby, and i like you for that, i don't like sandnigger either, not my fault, they try so hard to make their own rules everyfuckingwhere they live and shit on the government, the traditions and our way of living, so yeah, they're annoying.
But chinese people are really the worst too, they pollute so much, steal so much jobs around the world, and they're fucking rude when traveling, oh and they naaaasty as fuck and don't have any notions of personal space.
Yeah i think i'll cry too, but not because i'll miss him, more because i'll see my mother, sister and grandma completely destroyed :/
Simply that I won't be able to help them for maths, physics and chemistry. I'm terrible at that.
Nannies can teach values all that well.
Don't think they were there 24/7, it was a job for them, not a way of life, like a 9 to 5.
We'd still be completely influenced by our parents.
How old are you?
Just went on a jog and it made me realize how out of shape I am.
How you doing Rokku. Any new clothes lately. You always have cute outfits
I'm glad you feel me.
Men of this board have shared this pov many times, but for some reason it strikes a nerve everytime a woman says something of this sort. That's why most 'adults' with libtard views over here seem to be woman. They were 'shamed' into it.
I don't have many experience with chinese, but the few I have were all good. They came from 1tier cities so...
China is a complicated country so the people there are vastly different in culture and behavior etc.
I still consider the Japanese and Koreans to be very beneficial tho.
Ok I see. And I see :)
Howdy. It's too cold to jog here, my lungs feel like bursting when just walking in the freezing air. I got cute outfits I should post sometime :D I just haven't taken any pictures lately.
Nutcases don't rely on cold hard facts. Enjoy living in the shit you're creating.
I missed this post FL-kun.
Why do you feel shit? I hope I can get my normie life back. Playing games all night and just trying to get a trainee place by day and feeling unproductive and depressing. Luckily applications for school is opening at the end of the month and once school starts I can feel like less of a bum.
if we're doing anything we're closing florida's borders, south americans are giving me aids
i feel like shit cuz i'm feeling a fever coming on. when you work near all the international tourists in disney you come down with stuff here and there. happy other than that though. i understand, that was me months ago, just playing games and job searching, so good luck. i saw in the op you play aveyond, i used to play the second one
right now? I am waiting for a storyboard to be done on my very first short film which is being produced and is going to screen at some film festivals.
Yeah I get the weather issue. Its pretty cold here and my lungs really hurt. But at least I did it. Also you need to start posting those outfits. I just bought a dress for a valentine's day party and I'm excited cuz it makes me look tall and slim and I rarely dress up
Oh yeah, Japanese people are great, i travel there often and Tokyo is really amazing, everything is so clean...
But Chinese people were always annoying little bitch who try to scam you in every country they live in.
They're the new jews but with less respect for their environnement, you know what i mean ?
Of course not ALL of them are like that but since they're 1.5 BILLIONS of them... you have more chance to cross the path of chinese scumbag.
Christian arab gf ? Well, yeah i feel you bro, that's some pretty rare kind of gf...
There are alot of Christian arab girls but the fathers keep them locked in the house. Arab men are nuts because they rarely have sex so they keep there daughters chained in there basement.
how's the evening going?
(also my hand looks stupid here, plz ignore).
Important caveat is he didn't do those all personally, but they were done on the behalf of the African People's Front or whatever the hell it was called.
The real trashy thing is when libs go on about how it was justified and necessary to end the uh-pression, which obviously was egregious, but how pure concentrated evil Fundamentalist terrorists are in the US.
Is it terrorism to use violence to fight a racist regime? To the cat, the mice is the enemy. To the mouse, the cat is the enemy.
Did Mandela use violence to fight oppression? In that case, I think it's just.
I'm pretty sure liberals like me denounced terrorists whatever race they are. And yes we have white terrorists in this country - one just shot up Planned Parenthood. We denounce terrorists like those, too. Oh, and a liberal (well arguably a liberal to some, but further right than I am) called Obama managed to finally get Bin Laden.
As an interesting point - I'm pretty sure if the US lost the war, we'd be considered terrorists for firebombing Japan.
Perspective is an interesting thing. So is nuance. It's a shame both are lost on the conservative hive-mind.
Soviet Russia was then also just?
Nah, he was a commie. The ANC killed more blacks than anyone under apartheid. They'd cut their lips off for speaking against communism, cut their ears off. (google for some lovely pics)They'd 'necklace' and gun down anyone they didn't like. They murdered thousands among thousands of blacks. Apartheid really wasn't that bad. Standard of living for blacks was much higher back then. He just used it as a veil to reach power and turn SA into 'Red' Africa.
Yup. His wife tortured a little boy called Stompie personally and also had a gang called the football team. She and Mandela used them to harass, kill and torture people on a more personal level.
You've already changed ID 3 times and messed up once. Just stop. I've hardly talked to anyone on kik and the people I have talked to, I've gotten along fine with. If not troll then I'd like to know what we talked about that gave off any insight into my personality.
I'm playing aveyond and my phone is downstairs being used for wifi.
Gota new job at Fry's and im pretty excited for that and my best friend moved in with me (unofficially) Because his dad kicked him out. nothing fancy Because I still live at home.
I Wanna play more GTA5
The least gory pic I could find of necklacing. They'd basically put tires around peoples necks, pour them in gasoline, and set the tire on fire so they'd burn alive starting from their face. These were black on black crimes. Most hate crimes against blacks during apartheid were committed by the ANC and not the government.
You sound like a complete idiot desu. You'll outgrow it dw.
Fry's? How is his sleeping arrangements?
Why are you mentioning ADHD? and why reply to that post out of them all? Did your ID change? Domo anon <3
Also most killed and injured were just random civilians, many children. People lost their love ones or had scars lasting for life (one girl comes to mind who lost both her grandparents and was burnt alive but survived. She was quadriplegic after the incident) Some party members had the audacity to hold matches to her face while she was being taken to an event saying "We're going to necklace you". (They did that often to gov officials, but ffs this poor kid)
Also churches cause commies hate religion.
You brushing it off is like spitting in those peoples faces and pissing on their graves desu.
>Soviet Russia was then also just?
While their means definitely weren't, the state itself was indeed what the majority of people wanted/accepted sans few places like Chechnya. The resistance against the state was minimal compared to SA and the oppression wasn't as extreme either. Plus, the Soviets were mostly non-racist.
ANC weren't the "clean and nice" good guys by any means but given their goal and popular support, classifying them as terrorists is intellectually lazy at best.
Not sure what your point is about killing civilians or necklacing, nobody sane denies that ANC did atrocities but that shit is given in any armed conflict; people are shitty towards each other generally, give them power over others and the fun starts. Look at WW2, the best historical example of a black vs white conflict, yet the allies, who were clearly the good guys committed every war crime you can imagine. Does it negate anything?
Are you implying that the apartheid regime didn't ruin the lives of thousand civilians too? Or are you brushing off the suffering of the negros? Appeal to emotion is such a SJW thing too do.
Yeah the gunning down of students and peaceful protestors was totally justified by other horrible people doing horrible things.
It must be easy to speak about how bad oppression isn't when you've never been part of an oppressed group.
Its weird. .
I've finally gotten anti-depressants so now I don't feel depressed at night. . But moreover just. . Bummed I guess because I can just feel the isolation of having nobody to talk to settling in. .
They actually had a terrorist sect, whom mandela was the leader of. You apparently have no actual knowledge of the subject so I don't know why you're talking about it?
Please list all the opprushun the poor blacks were facing? They had to go to seperate school? boohoo. At least the had schools. They actually flocked into white land just to get into schools and have a better way of life. They weren't FORCED to stay. Statistically S.Africa had a better quality of life for all races. It's one of the only countries developing backwards atm kek.
What you are saying would make sense if South Africa was a better place today than it was during apartheid. The sad fact is, that it isn't.
Most elderly blacks whine about the new government and miss the old days. Only youths brought up with ANC propaganda shoved down their throats really hate whites and apartheid.
>you've never been part of an oppressed group.
HOLY FUCKING KEK. You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. We are the fucking minority in South Africa you halfwit. We are oppressed in the country we fucking built. You are an idiot.
>Yeah the gunning down of students and peaceful protestors was totally justified by other horrible people doing horrible things
Nothing to add onto that? I wonder why.
Fuck; how are white people are such pussies about everything?
being the minority in a country in africa doesn't make you fucking oppressed you white trash idiot
if you moved to japan, you'd be in the minority race-wise, too, but white people aren't fucking oppressed in japan
please just remove yourself from this earth
Actually no. The most privileged group is elite blacks. Most whites are middle class. Most of the dirt poor are also black.
South Africa is the only country that has laws to 'protect' the majority in employment rather than the minority. For example a company HAS to have a certain amount of black workers or they will be put out of business by the government.
Link sources pls.
>how are black people are such pussies about everything?
You have no idea. Whites cannot walk outside in that country. It is not safe.
Yes but we're not talking about Japan.
Do you know what oppression means?
The government launching white genocide is oppression sorry. They're literally trying to force whites into poverty by making up crazy laws to make sure employment is difficult to obtain for white. They are also forcing businesses and farms run by whites to be handed over to blacks, etc. We don't even need "No Whites allowed" signs. We just know we're not allowed in 80% of the country or we will be killed.
ANC also wants to keep poor blacks poor. Poor means uneducated, and uneducated means they swallow propaganda like babies and vote ANC. Our current prez changed the laws so he could have multiple wives, and spent that cash on a mansion for each and some personal jets and military planes. Why didn't he use that money to help the ghettos?
Don't even get me started on the white ghettos. Blacks have access to welfare in SA. Whites.Do.Not.
>Actually no. The most privileged group is elite blacks.
And elite whites that run the financial areas of your country
>Most whites are middle class. Most of the dirt poor are also black.
Holy fuck you guys are definitely the most oppressed if you're only middle class. How terrible that must be. Does this shit actually pass through your brain before you hurl it at other people? Do you actually acknowledge racial bias in your rebuttal but refuse to see it?
>You have no idea. Whites cannot walk outside in that country. It is not safe.
Holy fuck! What would that be like?
>White police that could rape women freely and kill anyone without cause
No one can walk outside in your shithole of a country. You're not special just because of your skin color cunt
>You apparently have no actual knowledge of the subject
>Please list all the opprushun the poor blacks were facing?
So which is it, do you really don't know or don't consider segregation, daily humiliation, resettlement, massively limited economical and social opportunities oppressive enough? The oppression of the white minority is truly horrific in comparison, must have sucked to go to much better schools and earn 6 times as much.
Also funny how you bitch about the same shit blacks had to deal with for centuries, on a much worse scale ... while still being the member of one of the most privileged group.
>It's one of the only countries developing backwards
That's given with any massive regime change, SA has a future for all races now though.
Well, it still beats circle jerking about music.
Enjoy waiting 2415151616 years for the new season once you're finished.
Nah, seems the case of willful ignorance and bias, besides, she's like 18 or 19, give her some slack, bruv.
yeah, a country that white people STOLE in the first place. a country that black people would now like to reclaim, but since white people won't just give it up and live on the other 80% of the world they're welcome in, they're forced to take more extreme actions
>Blacks have access to welfare in SA. Whites.Do.Not.
this is a blatant lie
People always want to bring up this discussion with me. No matter if it's the sgt or a chat thread. People love to SJW at any given point.
>And elite whites that run the financial areas of your country
The elite whites don't even compare to the elite blacks wealth wise. The elite blacks are mainly in the ANC and obvs the money is corrupt.
The reason whites who run finances companies are rich is because they run them successfully.
For some reasons the blacks just can't do the same. Farms handed over from whites to blacks were a complete failure. 90% of them are failing (actual stat) and when Mandela came into power the Rand lost 80% to handle. The fucking national POST is bankrupt. THE POST. Since being handed to blacks to be run.
>holy fuck you guys are definitely the most oppressed if you're only middle class.
During apartheid there were more middle class blacks than today, and the numbers were rising before mandela came into power. The main reason we are middle class is because we have maybe a max of 6 children when the blacks had a max of 12 legitimate children. Oppression isn't only financial but it's definitely a factor. Read what I wrote about the employment laws and welfare.
>Do you actually acknowledge racial bias in your rebuttal but refuse to see it?
I do have a racial bias? I don't claim otherwise.
I think it's hilarious you talk about things you have no idea about. You have probably not even step foot in South Africa.
>No one can walk outside in your shithole of a country.
Blacks can and do. Obviously no one is safe. But if blacks see a black man, black woman, white man, white woman, you can imagine what order the easy target is in.
>So which is it, do you really don't know or don't consider segregation, daily humiliation, resettlement, massively limited economical and social opportunities oppressive enough?
So whites in SA ARE oppressed?
It doesn't though as bad as music cj is. Still would begrudgingly prefer it over "haha fuck niggers lmao"
THAT SOUNDS AMAZING I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT STARTING A NEW TV SERIES BUT I SUCK AT COMMITTING TO THEM
WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND
Firstly, like I said, blacks FLOCKED to the country so they could have a better quality of living. Segregation is used as a bad word but segregation is human nature. The UK is a great example and many studies have been conducted in the UK about natural human segregation. The law was mostly to keep peace and let everyone have something of their own and everyone was allowed to keep their culture intact etc.
> daily humiliation
SA was mostly desolate before the dutch came.
>assively limited economical and social opportunities
More economical and social opportunities than anywhere else in Africa during that time. WTF are you on about?
> must have sucked to go to much better schools and earn 6 times as much.
What? Blacks went to school. It was the law.
Most of the issue regarding schooling and poverty is again linked to the fact that most non-black families had 2 kids while black families literally had 6-12.
>That's given with any massive regime change, SA has a future for all races now though.
Not really. Quality of life has dropped for all races and the laws regarding employment don't only chase whites out of the country, but all non-blacks. I think they changed the laws so eastern asians now count as black kek. But that leaves colored, whites, and 'indians' fucked.
Willful ignorance about my own country? Ok.
They settled in desolate land and paid for the land near tribes. If whites left africa and europe had 0% intervention they'd be singing a whole different tune about not wanting whites in the continent.
It's not a lie?
Listen, it's not even a racial issue. Let's say the whole world was white? or black? or green?
People are still different due to culture and development and etc. Doesn't change the fact that that group of people are the ones leeching off another group of green people.
>oh fug ids the graphs :DDDD
Seriously though, nice, smoothline shape with an even spacing and contrasting colours. Very nice bell curves, 10/10.
>During apartheid there were more middle class blacks than today
That's just bullshit.
>The main reason we are middle class is because we have maybe a max of 6 children when the blacks had a max of 12 legitimate children.
That's faulty reasoning. Poor people have more children as means of social security and aren't poor because they have more children. It was always the case through history (just look how birthrates went down as wealth went up in Europe or US of A)
>So whites in SA ARE oppressed?
They are slightly discriminated against now (focus on slightly, the average white person is still doing much, much better than a blacky), which not the most elegant solution to bring some balance but what would be your idea?
Try to work with a hypothetical scenario so your racism won't go full retard: A minority in your country stole almost everything and oppressed the majority for centuries, left them without money nor opportunities, yidda, yadda. How do you make it somehow fair?
>SA was mostly desolate before the dutch came.
Resettlement happened way afterwards.
>Blacks went to school.
To shitty schools, providing them with worse education ... not like they had too many opportunities to use it.
>Quality of life has dropped for all races
Again, that's given with every massive regime change. Look how fucked Russia was after the Soviet Union failed. Look how long China needed to turn from a peasant nation in the largest economy.
Smooth lines explaining why Africa is a shithole.
Tbh the only reason I care is because I lived there. Africa isn't a huge threat to Europe imo. The immigrants are a threat to quality of life and individual safety and the economy, sure.But, the Middle East is the only anxiety I have for WW3.
Idk might be kek worthy if war comes and all SJW are buttblasted literally and Africa just an heros cause Europe has no money to throw at them.
Le part 2
As for laws of employment, they aren't as bad as you make them out to be. It's given that the racial majority would also be the majority in the work force, the laws simply make sure that it is the case.
>blacks FLOCKED to the country so they could have a better quality of living
Well, given how shitty the surrounding countries were, it's given that they'd want something a tiny bit less shitty. North Koreans flee to China too, does it mean rural China isn't a hellhole?
>but segregation is human nature
For you maybe.
>The UK is a great example and many studies have been conducted in the UK about natural human segregation.
>The law was mostly to keep peace
Yeah, all this dirty, violent niggers wanting opportunities and normal paying jobs. Better put them in ghettos for some fucking peace.
>Willful ignorance about my own country? Ok.
That's the thing with willful ignorance, you might know better and aren't as ignorant as you pretend to be but uncomfortable truths, changing your entire outlook, ain't nobody want to deal with that shit. Because of that, the topic doesn't really matter, it might be your country or your tits or something you have no idea about at all (relevance and interpretation of IQ tests) Instead of trying to understand the entire picture, you just pick the first thing that sounds nice.
Nah man, even "lol fuck niggers" isn't as dull. Besides, it could be worse. This isn't full /pol/ level yet.
>That's just bullshit.
C H E C K Y O U R S T A T S
>That's faulty reasoning. Poor people have more children as means of social security and aren't poor because they have more children.
In South Africa it's the case of being uneducated. Also black woman have no rights in their husbands eyes. Having 8 mouths to feed rather than two does have an impact on finances. Public schools having to take in 4 black students for 1 student of any other race does have an impact. (Public schools are now mostly poor blacks,since they're packed to the brim the elite blacks and other races have chosen private schools. This isn't because of oppreshun, but non-blacks only have to pay 2 tuitions instead of 8. Obviously scholarships are only given to blacks, so that's a plus)
>just look how birthrates went down as wealth went up in Europe or US of A
That's a whole different subject kek. It depends how far back you go in history. But when people were farming and children were working on the farms or in family businesses obviously the more children the better.
If you're talking about more recent times then YES there is a correlation between being uneducated and popping out child after child when you can barely provide for the ones you already have.
>y, the average white person is still doing much, much better than a blacky
The government is to blame not the whites.
Dw they're trying to make us suffer, slowly but surely.
>some balance but what would be your idea?
S.Africa is fucked. No turning back.
Ideally the most efficient people for a job would be hired regardless of race. Schools and jobs would not be forced to take in someone less efficient just because they are black. Efficient individual make up a efficient society.
I actually don't even have a idea on how to fix the situation because I don't think it can be fixed. I think what IS happening is that the whites doing well are trying to make the money they still can. Once that's impossible,
They will leave. The only ones that will stay are libtards who will die out and the poor who are being killed now anyways. Then S. Africa will truly be fucked and it'll just be a distant memory of a country that was once developing.
>A minority in your country stole almost everything and oppressed the majority for centuries, left them without money nor opportunities, yidda, yadda.
I'll fix that for you
>A minority in your country built almost everything and gave them opportunities that couldn't be found anywhere else in the continent for centuries, left them with more money and opportunities than in any nearby country, yidda, yadda.
Please think of this clearly. If whites were never in Africa, what would Africa be atm?
Do you think Africa will suddenly flourish if we stopped intervening 100%?
>Resettlement happened way afterwards.
Into where? From mud huts into houses?
>To shitty schools, providing them with worse education
Worse education than what they had before? Aka no education.
> not like they had too many opportunities to use it.
They were never not allowed to run their own businesses. They had the resources to hire better teacher and have better schools, whites weren't stopping them by any means. Many did actually. Mandela studied at a top university and a certified lawyer?
>Again, that's given with every massive regime change.
Zimbabwe had a massive regime change and look how well they're doing kek.'
> Look how fucked Russia was after the Soviet Union failed. Look how long China needed to turn from a peasant nation in the largest economy.
The thing is they were fucked before it ultimately failed and then raised above it.
S.Africa was doing well and is rapidly declining each year. It took 4 years for the ANC to dropped the rands worth by 80%.
Check back in 50 years and see if SA is doing anywhere near as well as russia or china.
>>It's given that the racial majority would also be the majority in the work force, the laws simply make sure that it is the case.
A European country would go INSANE if a law was instilled in the country to protect the majority work wise kek. If it's going to be the case anyway why make it the law?
They are forcing companies to hire less efficient workers based on their race? It's ridiculous how you can find that to be reasonable.
> North Koreans flee to China too, does it mean rural China isn't a hellhole?
Not compared to NK. and North Koreans don't whine and bitch like S.Africans.
That's also not a proper comparison since they came to south africa to get an education, enjoy western technology, feel safe and live a happy life.
>For you maybe.
Human nature. Read into it.
>Yeah, all this dirty, violent niggers wanting opportunities and normal paying jobs.
Segregation wasn't always a thing btw. The britts put the law into place to avoid, ya'know, being killed.
They had opportunities jfc. Blacks could have set up similar businesses as the whites did, paid blacks the same salaries etc. Instead they took what whites gave them, did nothing, and once the whites made and empire they cried about not having a piece of it. JFC,
> Better put them in ghettos
They lived in huts jfc HUTS. Whites didn't build the ghettos and stuffed all the blacks there.
Idk why this is even a discussion. If blacks wanted what whites had so badly, the should have gone to a desolate piece of land and build it themselves. JFC. Instead they waited for us to build it and cried about not having it.
>ad of trying to understand the entire picture, you just pick the first thing that sounds nice.
Yes because this is all wonderful and fills me with so much joy.
Nickname given to me as a kid. The first two letters of my middle name (the name I go by) and my surname merged together.
>In South Africa it's the case of being uneducated
Which correlates with poverty, going all "uneducated > poor > tons of kids" and not having opportunities to escape it ... doesn't help too much.
>Having 8 mouths to feed rather than two does have an impact on finances.
Initially yes but the idea is having 8 people who work later. I am not too sure myself if it works out mathematically but it's generally a thing poor and uneducated people did and do through times.
>Public schools having to take in 4 black students for 1 student of any other race does have an impact.
Not as much as you make it out to be given that about 80% of the country IS black.
>That's a whole different subject kek.
There wasn't that much farming going on in Western Europe in the 30s and 40s.
>Dw they're trying to make us suffer, slowly but surely.
Well, there is definitely some revenge going on and while you can't blame them after all the time on the receiving end, it doesn't help anybody in the long run. Then again, it's pretty "alright" now from what I know.
>Ideally the most efficient people for a job would be hired regardless of race.
Obviously but without making jobs and better education easier available for blacks (which in turn will affect the whites a bit) there isn't any decent way to bring some kind of balance back.
>If whites were never in Africa, what would Africa be atm?
They could be a major power, they could be a major shithole. Whites obviously brought their know-how and more developed civilization but also robbed the country of their own development and resources. Japan did pretty fine with limited intervention from whites. I don't recall any other somehow isolated country in history.
>Do you think Africa will suddenly flourish if we stopped intervening 100%?
Obviously not but would it be that much worse? Stopped intervening 100% would also mean not installing regimes and selling them weapons. Though let's not forget our Chinese friends who pimp them pretty nice too.
> From mud huts into houses?
From the places where they lived into black ghettos. Mud huts were ... "a bit" before all that. Besides, people were chased out of their mud huts too, not cool.
>Worse education than what they had before?
We're jumping in two different periods. They had worse education than whites had, leading to blacks having worse chances for jobs, which leads to poverty, more kids, well you know the drill.
>They were never not allowed to run their own businesses
With tons of hurdles in their way. You can have your own business in Cuba too, yay.
>S.Africa was doing well
If you were a part of a minority. By moving away from apartheid they are doing better on a social level already, this is usually a requirement to move up economically. Although talking about their future is even more dull than talking about the past. We can't know nor predict it.
Jesus, this is getting way to fucking long.
>A European country would go INSANE if a law was instilled in the country to protect the majority
Given how the majority was oppressed, there are no equivalent scenarios in any western country.
>That's also not a proper comparison since they came to south africa to get an education, enjoy western technology, feel safe and live a happy life.
Same reasons why anybody would move from NK to China or basically from any super shit tier country into a okay-ish tier shit country. SA being better than the neighboring countries is mostly due them being even worse.
To a minimal "oh, they look different" level and of course the whole fear of unknown. The "lol, let's put them in ghettos" thing isn't human nature.
>Blacks could have set up similar businesses as the whites did, paid blacks the same salaries
That's not how it works. Given how their education and opportunities were gimped, and even how hard being allowed to run their own business was, it would be almost impossible to compete on any level, and this doesn't even touch the topic of how racism would affect the consumers and ability to get investors.
> the should have gone to a desolate piece of land and build it themselves
Oh come on, you was pretty decent at keeping the childish shit to a minimum. "Just go somewhere else and build a civilization lol"
>yes because this is all wonderful and fills me with so much joy
It's slightly more pleasant than the alternative. Besides, again the whole humane "fear of unknow", feeling like you understand and know the situation 100% is pretty nice for sure.
Also what makes you so sure that it's not a new dude?
S-smaller topic, please. 4chin is annoying for walls.
>Which correlates with poverty, going all "uneducated > poor > tons of kids" and not having opportunities to escape it ... doesn't help too much.
Yeah, but it's their fault. Nothing to do with whites. No one is forcing them to have 10 kids.
>Initially yes but the idea is having 8 people who work later.
They don't since they don't get an education. It's not rocket science.
>Not as much as you make it out to be given that about 80% of the country IS black.
I didn't say anything about it being much. I\m just saying that's how it is. But yeah should have been more like 20 for every 1 but I was basing it more on per family.
>There wasn't that much farming going on in Western Europe in the 30s and 40s.
You said history not 30's or 40's and like I said, later it was due to not being educated.
> you can't blame them after all the time on the receiving end,
Yes. we can NEVER blame the black men. kek.
>on the receiving end
>Then again, it's pretty "alright" now from what I know.
Rape capital of the world is our nations title. It's amazing. It's listed as one of the most corrupt countries too. Also one of the highest murder rates in the world.
>Obviously but without making jobs and better education easier available for blacks
Doesn't help anyone because of overpopulation.
Just a bunch of inefficient people running everything to the ground.
> Japan did pretty fine with limited intervention from whites.
Japan had empires while tribes had mud and chickens. Not the same thing tbqh.
>Stopped intervening 100% would also mean not installing regimes and selling them weapons.
That's what I want. I mean it will be good for US but not for THEM.
>From the places where they lived into black ghettos. Mud huts were ... "a bit" before all that.
So where did they live after the huts?
> Besides, people were chased out of their mud huts too, not cool.
>We're jumping in two different periods. They had worse education than whites had, leading to blacks having worse chances for jobs, which leads to poverty, more kids, well you know the drill.
That's what you don't GET. We didn't have to give them ANYTHING. NOTHING. If we were so terrible we should have just shot them all on the spot.
They had more kids before whites came, but they obviously didn't all survive childhood.
>With tons of hurdles in their way.
What hurdles? They were given more opportunity than any other blacks in neighboring countries.
I don't get your idea that people deserve things that they don't work for or put effort into?
> By moving away from apartheid they are doing better on a social level already, this is usually a requirement to move up economically
Except blacks are doing worse economically than during the apartheid. Have you even checked your stats or are you ripping them out your ass? You're so idealistic it hurts.
>Given how the majority was oppressed, there are no equivalent scenarios in any western country.
Yeah, like Finland under Sweden or Russia. Kek. We still blame them for ALLLLLLL our problems reeee.
>SA being better than the neighboring countries is mostly due them being even worse.
Look at pictures of SA during the apartheid and neighboring countries. I wouldn't say it was 'slightly' less shitty.
>oh, they look different"
Culture doesn't exist !!!!!! SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.
You're points are becoming more and more...idealistic is the nice word.
>lol, let's put them in ghettos
Usually they turn the places into ghettos. They aren't barren areas looking ghetto af when freshly built.
>That's not how it works. Given how their education and opportunities were gimped, and even how hard being allowed to run their own business was, it would be almost impossible to compete on any level.
Thats why eastern asians are doing so poorly in murica amirite? Nah they actually put effort into climing the ladder.
>and this doesn't even touch the topic of how racism would affect the consumers and ability to get investors.
Explains the ANC support coming from overseas amirite?
> "Just go somewhere else and build a civilization lol"
So what the whites did? Why can whites do it but blacks can't? RACIST.
>fear of unknow"
What exactly is unknown to me? pls explain.
>feeling like you understand and know the situation 100% is pretty nice for sure.
What? I have my own POV you have yours. What the fuck are you on about.
>Also what makes you so sure that it's not a new dude?
Same dude messed up on ID. Everytime this is bumped he'd reply to hour old shit with something similar. Like he 'third'-ed his own opinion with the same ID.
This thread seems interesting, can someone summarize what it's about?
>They don't since they don't get an education.
Even if they did, it'd be inferior one, and even if they managed to do good, have fun finding a well paid job.
>Yes. we can NEVER blame the black men. kek.
Context yo. Obviously it's a bad action but also very human and understandable. It doesn't justify it but explains it.
>Rape capital of the world is our nations title.
Should attract certain tourists yo. Besides, corruption and crime were pretty high before too.
>Doesn't help anyone because of overpopulation.
As mentioned above, the breeding is caused by poverty. Once they get more wealthy, the birth rates will go down too.
>Japan had empires while tribes had mud and chickens.
As if Africa had no empires.
>I mean it will be good for US but not for THEM.
It'd have pros and cons for both. The cost of humanitarian aid is nothing in comparison to profits from resources.
The whole "buying land" thing you mentioned before, where "buying" was very loosely interpreted.
>We didn't have to give them ANYTHING.
>not taking desperate people and making them work for you for almost nothing
Are you even white?
Legal ones mostly. I am sure you have the ability to look them up yourself.
>Have you even checked your stats or are you ripping them out your ass?
I said it's a "requirement" not that it's necessary the case now. Although I'd love to see some stats for sure. Link away.
>Yeah, like Finland under Sweden or Russia.
How were Fins discriminated against exactly? Sure, Sweden or Russia took over their country but it was in the "conquering" sense if I recall right and not treating the population like shit.
>Culture doesn't exist !!!!!!
Culture is very fluid and not related to race. A white kid growing up in a full nigger environment would be a complete nigger.
>Usually they turn the places into ghettos.
Ghettos as in segregated places where "group A" lives, not the places where niggas shoot guns, fuck bitches and sell drugs. Well... nominally not.
>Nah they actually put effort into climing the ladder.
That's where culture plays a part indeed, although how does "some people manage to overcome it" work as an argument for it?
>Explains the ANC support coming from overseas amirite?
Not really related to business though. ANC was the extreme solution after the people run out of alternatives, like a peaceful adjustment of politics.
>Why can whites do it but blacks can't?
It's not like whites came from massively advanced countries with money, technology, knowledge and resources. Oh and guns, these help a lot too.
>What exactly is unknown to me? pls explain.
>What? I have my own POV you have yours. What the fuck are you on about.
The "problem" with yours is that it's missing the big picture, you know. Looking at cut off pieces of facts with a lot simplifications, mixed with biases (sooo much confirmation bias), building an easy, comfy world view ignoring finer details and nuances; in a way, it's pretty human, specially if you're somehow emotionally invested/connected to the topic but also pretty lazy and dumb, and at least the latter doesn't seem the case with you. WHICH MAKES IT SO MUCH WORSE.
>Same dude messed up on ID. Everytime this is bumped he'd reply to hour old shit with something similar. Like he 'third'-ed his own opinion with the same ID.
Well, at least you have a fan. I am almost jelly.
Stuff sounds nice.
It seems like you're debating immigration.
I'm in the UK so my ideals/views wont' be representative of the rest of Europe or america.
>We shouldn't provide benefits to immigrants.
>White's allowed the Africa to "develop" merely because we were more technologically advanced and had better resources.
>It'd be better if america and all of Europe fucked out of the Israeli and the middle east.
>We're fighting a futile war where the majority are the losers.
>The reason why most poor people are black is due to more factors than just their skin color, it's another debate on it's own.
>White's become technologically more advanced as we had more resources and were able to communicate with more people. We had the whole of Europe to commune and share ideas with. We had roman, Celtic, and hundreds of other cultures influence us and provide us with tech and knowledge.
>>It'd be better if america and all of Europe fucked out of the Israeli and the middle east.
B-but Israel is our friend and muh oil.
Should be interesting to see how the region develops when the black gold runs out. Iran and the smaller states like Qatar and Dubai should be fine but Saudi Arabia will be so fucked for sure.
The oil industry is a failing market, it's unsustainable and the conflict over it is ultimately pointless. In all honesty it'll probably be better for them if and when we stop leeching from them.
City's will be able to recover, businesses can move in and provide jobs. After a few...50-ish years the economy will begin to raise.
Subjective. Inferior to the whites who brought education but superior to what the had before.
>have fun finding a well paid job
There were black lawyers. There were even rich blacks back then. You're saying people who basically did nothing but exist deserve the same as people who built everything and were kind enough to give handouts?
>corruption and crime were pretty high before too.
No they weren't. Nothing compared to now.
>the breeding is caused by poverty
No poverty is cause by breeding. Pretty simple, produce as many kids as you can provide for and hope they do the same and slowly climb into middle class. Like the Eastern Asians did in murica.
>Once they get more wealthy, the birth rates will go down too.
Are you 12? How can they become more wealthy if they keep popping out 10 children? Who is going to pay for all their education? Money doesn't grow on trees and the Rand is rapidly declining as it is.
>As if Africa had no empires.
Southern Africa. Give one example.
>he cost of humanitarian aid is nothing in comparison to profits from resources.
Just go to desolate land and ignore the Africans. Problem solved.
ANC propaganda kek
>Are you even white?
>I am sure you have the ability to look them up yourself.
Nope. I have no idea what to search. Source.
> Link away
Best thing is the link is from a site about economic research and not politics.
>recall right and not treating the population like shit.
>A white kid growing up in a full nigger environment would be a complete nigger.
Exceptions are not a rule. jfc.
Usually skin color will indicate somewhat what sort of culture someone was brought up in.
Even a second generation immigrant has a different cultural experience than natives with native parents. Even moreso if the country has a large number of immigrants from the same country.
Ghettos as in segregated places where "group A" lives, not the places where niggas shoot guns, fuck bitches and sell drugs. Well... nominally not.
So if group A is "middle class and white" it's a ghetto?
>Not really related to business though.
Politics and business don't interlink at all!!!!
>ANC was the extreme solution after the people run out of alternatives, like a peaceful adjustment of politics.
Thats what ISIS is saying about Europe.
>It's not like whites came from massively advanced countries with money, technology, knowledge and resources. Oh and guns, these help a lot too.
Why did whites have om massively advanced countries with money, technology, knowledge and resources? IT CAME FROM THE AIR!!!
Blacks totally couldn't do the same, since Africa has absolutely NO resources!?!
>sooo much confirmation bias
Yeah you have no bias?
> Looking at cut off pieces of facts with a lot simplifications
Obviously I simplify my pov when writing it on 4chan jfc.
>missing the big picture
You're missing the big picture. You're drowning it with OH THE POOR BLACKS.
Yet they're "the poor blacks" because they chose to do nothing whilst other civilizations were...becoming civilized.
We all started with a clean slate.
Who you voting for?
Nah you sound like most sane Europeans. I think UK,Sweden, Germany are getting pretty sick of it all. Finns are too btw.
I'm voting for UKIP.
No I'm not a racist, and no UKIP isn't fucking racist.
We need to have stricter border control, we need more care for our vets and a lot of there polices make sense...They're also fighting against feminism in parliament and the education system.
Isn't sweden the pussy whipped place or that that other country that starts with s...
The one that implemented the "I consent" classes in school.
What a wasted vote. Even with the massive momentum they had due to the unpopularity of Cameron's shitty governance they failed to secure anything meaningful. Then the farce of Nige quitting but not quitting... UKIP has solidified itself as a personality cult of no substance.
In all fairness all votes are pretty pointless.
Most parties now are just the same creature just with a different face. We're only voting on who we hate the least.
Yeah, the publicity stunt with Nigal was pretty daft but it's not as bad pig fucking.
You overuse that word btw.
Good choice. Aren't they seeking an EU referendum?
I don't care about racism when it comes to politics obviously.
>stricter border control
Yes please. I was riding the metro daily when in UK and the day I left the bombings happened. I was too young to grasp anything tho. I remember some racial laws being passed days before and the bombings were just a spit in the face kek.
> feminism in parliament
What? Explain pls I'm interested.
> the education system
Needs to be bettered?
>Isn't sweden the pussy whipped place or that that other country that starts with s...
Oh god. It's the future of Europe.
>The one that implemented the "I consent" classes in school.
Something somewhat related happened in Finland. Nothing about sex, but immigrant related.
In Helsinki some highschools are offering Koran classes for the Muslim students. By Finnish law kids are allowed to pick which class they want to attend. The Koran class, Normal Religion Ed, or ethics class (Usually attended by mormons and JW). So some kid asked about these classes during the Koran class and the Finnish teacher said that they have the right to choose their religion. They also have a right to pick which class they'd like to attend (by law). So the kids go home and tell their parents, and these Muslim parents are OUTRAGED that he said these kids have a RIGHT to PICK their religion. He got fired. Fired for explaining Finnish law to Finnish citizens.
Something similar was some cop who said he's sick of immigrants getting unfair treatment. (Unfair in the sense that they get off easy cause RACISM) and he got fired because RACISM. He tweeted those few words and lost his job.
Exactly. I vote for Perus Suomalaiset, even if for my own peace of mind. First vote, and felt good. My boyfriend and friends voted for them too and some hope was instilled in me for todays youths and the future.
Well, they did all have the same face, because somehow Labour supporters were stupid enough to follow up Gordon Brown with fucking Ed Miliband of all people.
At least Corbyn is different, although his policies seem to be designed around just pissing off the wealthy southerners in England... you know, the people who choose who governs. Just vote for him instead, maybe they'll get a scare. Muh austerity.
There's going to be an EU referendum, but it's pretty much already a stitch-up.
We know that after the Scottish Independence referendum that the language will say it's a "once in a generation" chance, so they're trying to tie us up for a long time and hope nobody notices.
>It's a quick, and pretty dirty, demonstration of how feminism has ruined some politcal debates.
Yes, it was one of the main reason I decided to vote for them, we're spending more money on the EU than we're receiving and honestly we could do with that money, there's a serious issue with the homeless here. Abandoned houses are being knocked down whilst the amount of homeless people is increasing.
>the education system
From my experience feminism has influenced a lot of the courses at teaching methods in schools.
In my English class we had a feminist teacher that would constantly berate the guys yet praise and provide individual help to the girls.
My sociology class is filled with anti-male propaganda. (I've heard the phrase "Dead-beat dad" and the open dismissal of male victims of domestic abuse a hundred times over in the course of a few months)
You've phrased it oddly but the implementation of the PC guidelines had made it disturbingly hard to criticize and arrest religious and foreign individuals.
Speaking from experience pupils are struggling to speak out against this hypocrisy of "Black's can't be racist against whites because they're black" I've had a teacher exclude me from the lesson for openly discussing why people are allowed to call people "Cracker" and not face punishment yet calling someone a "Nigger" will get you excluded.
Tl;DR Political correctness has made people so frighted of being seen as racist that they're ironically being more racist by victimizing blacks and religious people.
>If this is poorly written or difficult to understand it's because I'm tired.
Here's something about Corbyn you might giggle at, not sure if it's real though.
I'm going to watch the video after replying.
>we're spending more money on the EU than we're receiving and honestly we could do with that money
Yup, hope a change can come to Finland too. Also our own currency would be great.
> constantly berate the guys yet praise and provide individual help to the girls.
In general that's the norm. My dad is really into 'social studies' or whatever you'd call them and there is some psyche behind why women and men are treated differently in schools.
>I've heard the phrase "Dead-beat dad" and the open dismissal of male victims of domestic abuse a hundred times over in the course of a few months
I get it. I feel for men desu. I guess we all have the downsides that come hand in hand with our gender. (I personally feel my life would have been easier if I was a man. Most my behavior and way of thinking wouldn't be viewed as out of the norm.)
>You've phrased it oddly but the implementation of the PC guidelines had made it disturbingly hard to criticize and arrest religious and foreign individuals.
Also really effects your law enforcement. Racial profiling is racist. Saying certain gangs doing certain crimes are of a certain race, is RACIST.
> pupils are struggling to speak out against this hypocrisy
I know that feels. I was in a private school in SA. The daily propaganda made me sick. Listening to lessons about how great Mandela and the ANC are made me want to an hero. Glad I got out.
>If this is poorly written or difficult to understand it's because I'm tired.
I feel you. I haven't slept at all. I was playing a game last night and early in the morning I got my cousins to take care of. The sun setting at 15 is really messing with my eternal clock.
Which isn't of much use for the job market given their competition. Certainly it's better to be more educated but good luck profiting from it monetary.
>There were black lawyers. There were even rich blacks back then.
In your words...
>Exceptions are not a rule. jfc.
>You're saying people who basically did nothing but exist deserve the same as people who built everything
Where do you see that? All I am saying is that the majority didn't have equal chances, while the minority had the game rigged for them.
>No they weren't. Nothing compared to now.
As for corruption they rank somewhere in the middle now, which is pretty decent for any African country, I didn't find any sources about pre 94 though.
As for crime, even ignoring that apartheid was THE biggest crime and that reporting changed, at least murder seems down now.
Before you go all out about the 30% increase of violent crime, again, consider different reporting. Bigger picture and all.
>No poverty is cause by breeding.
If the kids stay unemployed too. Otherwise it's an "investment."
>How can they become more wealthy if they keep popping out 10 children?
The children working shitty low education job still earn money. Besides, how common are 10 kids families overall?
>Southern Africa. Give one example.
Well, since you specified it, yeah, that's true. I don't recall any empires there for sure.
>Just go to desolate land and ignore the Africans. Problem solved.
"Lol, just create resources out of air and build a country in the middle of nowhere"
>ANC propaganda kek
They cite mostly laws there. Unless you want to suggest that they came up with them.
>Nope. I have no idea what to search. Source.
"Dompass" was common till 86 or so. Besides again, much worse education and institutional racism, have fun with your business.
>In 1995, white South African men were paid 98 percent more than black men. By 2000, this discrepancy had grown to 118 percent
Wahaha. Oh gosh, work in progress it is. Gotta say, that's a rather impressive fail from the ANC. Then again, " The controversial nature of the paper's claims emphasizes the need for more research to better understand the declines documented, the authors stress"
The Jewman Sachs report sure looks more optimistic
>Even a second generation immigrant has a different cultural experience than natives with native parents.
Depends on where they come from, how many other immigrants are in the country, the education level of the parents, etc, etc etc. While the first point is related to culture, the rest is only marginally.
>So if group A is "middle class and white" it's a ghetto?
If they don't live there by choice, yap. Jewish ghettos in Italy and Spain come to mind.
>Thats what ISIS is saying about Europe.
ISIS is more about creating their caliphate and officially pro oppression, how are they even related to Europe or ANC.
>Why did whites have om massively advanced countries with money, technology, knowledge and resources?
The UK guy summed it up pretty well. We had a great geographical advantage, helping us to develop sooner to use our resources and eventually take them from others. (inb4 white guilt, obviously any race would do the same in our position)
>Yeah you have no bias?
It's only human, as I said, besides ... doubt the person could tell own biases themselves. Otherwise it'd be silly to still hold to them and all.
>Obviously I simplify my pov when writing it on 4chan jfc.
Possibly overdoing it, even given the place.
>You're drowning it with OH THE POOR BLACKS.
I was more about "OH APARTHEID SUCKS, so fighting against it is good, so Mandela and ACN can't be classified by terrorist by the popular definition."
>Yet they're "the poor blacks" because they chose to do nothing whilst other civilizations were...becoming civilized.
>We all started with a clean slate.
Tons of claims without proofs, and also pretty hard to prove, then again, the scientific consensus so far disagrees.
Anyway, time to start my day, have a nice, nigger-free one yourself. Might reply later if the thread is still alive.
>treated differently in schools.
One thing I've found is that female teachers seem to more prone to this behavior where as the males seem more logical yet reserved due to the fear of repercussions if they encroach of the PC guidelines.
It's probably due to them trying to break the stereotype of girls being intellectually superior to guys...or some horseshit like that.
>viewed as out of the norm
What is the "norm" there?
We have such a wide array of mannerisms and personalities here we don't have a norm.
Op what do you think about no go zones in america aka nigger ghettos
^op in the future
Everyone already knows this. Rikku is basically preaching how bad blacks are because they are fuel'd from such irrational thoughts. Everything they take over eventually turns into a fire. You can't blame blacks for being how they naturally are, sure there are exceptions, but statistics prove and prove again just how far back they are in the intelligence, evolutionary, and altruism development.
I'm not trying to be a purger. I live in a very conservative state that is nearly 90% whites and 9% hispanics (Utah) and probably have no negative experience with immigration here.
But my mother always warned me never to move into ghetto neighborhoods. Since my parents do real estate, they have a personal hidden vow NEVER to sell property to blacks. And growing up with them, even though we came here from Russia, we don't get involved with that race at all. Not even dating. It is just setting yourself up for failure otherwise. We have learned in the past many times even. Renting out apartments and 'plexes my parents managed to blacks eventully turned it into a crime scene, while they get all the blame. My brother tried to date a black girl one time when he moved to Virginia, only to have his wallet stolen the next day. Etc etc. I completely side on Rokku for all this, I just want to know the driving force that makes them this way, and if there's really not anything anyone can do to help because of the bite back the hand that feeds them ideology.
No that was a picure of you posting libtards are all ugly
I'm not a libtart kek, like I said, I grew up in a VERY conservative community (Utah) the holds traditional laws and I always side on it. You probably took what I said as serious because you can't see humor and both sides of the coin.
Mostly Immigration policy, and I think/hope they'll start to talk about an EU referendum if UKIP goes through with it. (It'll open up the conversation)
I think other parties are focusing on Finland as a EU nation rather than its OWN nation.
>Which isn't of much use for the job market given their competition
Whites will always be superior businessmen compared to blacks. Cold hard truth.
>"Dompass" was common till 86 or so.
They should still have them in place kek
>Besides again, much worse education and institutional racism, have fun with your business.
Yes if they want to succeed they have to overcome that and have fun with their businesses. Even though blacks are in power now, blacks have worse education and income than before.
>In 1995, white South African men were paid 98 percent more than black men. By 2000, this discrepancy had grown to 118 percent
Take into account that average white mans profits have dropped, so the rise in percentage means, that as white mans salary has dropped so has the black mans salary. In general the black salary has risen but due to unemployment the stats come out like that.
>The Jewman Sachs report sure looks more optimistic
One was an actual economic report another is some poltical jibber jabber with false stats.
(Government doesn't release any none corrupted statistics. Independent researchers come up with completely different stats than the government)
>ISIS is more about creating their caliphate and officially pro oppression, how are they even related to Europe or ANC.
ANC is pro oppression. They're fucking commies ffs.
>We had a great geographical advantage,
SA is full of resources. They could have started developing faster than all of us, they just didn't.
>doubt the person could tell own biases themselves
>Otherwise it'd be silly to still hold to them and all.
No. Common sense to hold onto them.
>Possibly overdoing it, even given the place.
No I'm not. You seem like you can hardly grasp what I'm saying atm.
>Tons of claims without proofs, and also pretty hard to prove
Look at europe now and africa now. There is your proof.
We'll never know. Everyone cuts funding to research that shows why blacks are more uncivilized (Even if the ultimate point of the research didn't have anything to do with the subject)
Hard to say, since America has always been a mixpot of whites and blacks. I somewhat get the black ghettos, but that's a large enough problem for you guys. You don't need more ghettos full of illegal immigrants if you already have your hand full with nignogs.
These areas in Europe on the other hand are COMPLETELY unacceptable.
I am up for the next 6 hours at work alone bored af. There's nothing else left to do but fuck off online. The webfilter, which still allows me to view certain porn sites, wont allow me to go to 4chan's riskier boards. So I am here. That's actually what started me on /soc. It's one of the only boards I can use. Someone talk to me. Please. I am so bored.
Hi everyone . my life is centered around the fact that I'm dating a woman I want to leave but can't because I'm a pussy. everyday I lay awake at night wishing I was out having fun sometimes
I'm the guy from the other thread. I'm high and I really want to talk with any random
You seem pretty chill. I'd go to a bar with you. Not in Muricaland tho cause I'm too young.
Talk to me.
Where you from?
Tinder or bars.
other general chat thread has an awkward vibe desu
will this one even pick up?
what is everyone doing?
[more small-talk questions]?
tell me things
yu got it
too many people using emoticons and being friendly and a lack of meaningful discussion desu
the last one isn't the biggest objection, the thread just has too many (unfamiliar) people for me to feel at ease when participating
i've ignored the news for the last fortnight, would you care to update me on the further decline of Europa?
i'm currently going through lecture slides and studying unconstrained optimisation
i want to be reading
i've never played (or researched) Aveyond
what (if anything) makes it better than other games in the genre?
last.fm doesn't like scrobbling my ipod anymore so most of the recent scrobbles aren't too representative
>Having 4chan capped and reposted on tumblr and Reddit
God damn this always bothers me. It feels as if we are being observed like zoo animals.
Of course, I have no room to criticize, since we frequently repost Reddit and tumblr screencaps.
Me and my father are keeping out fingers crossed. What America does, Europe will eventually follow.
that anon hasn't actually talked to me one on one btw.
thanks for the ID change dynamic ip
indulging in a breakfast of oats and water
regretting that i missed a delivery
waking up more so that i can continue to study for eternity
pretty average so far
what game will you be playing next?
Can I Join in on this sleepless thread? I mean sleep is for the weak right? How's everyone doing this fine 'evening'?
feeling indifferent as usual
listening to angst-fueled music
it's 16 pm atm.
I didn't sleep for 72 hours and then just passed out for a day straight. I've been having some anxiety about the state of the world, and it's been keeping me up at night.
I'm trying to chill out, but each day I hear about new bullshit, and I feel pretty hopeless.
Idk ready for the restart button to be hit. WW3 is on it's way if things don't change, fast.
Idk I bought a few rpgs because steam is having a lunar year sale. So whichever seems the most interesting of my purchases. I'm leaving this working computer behind tomorrow, so let's see what I have time for.
You playing anything atm anon?
i have nagging thoughts that are trying to get me to play dark souls or to resubscribe to runescape, but i resist them
games are fun but i don't really feel comfortable playing them any longer, i just feel a constant reminder that i could be doing something to further my progress in life instead
how fucked is finland?
my attention to current events has waned since about december, i don't really like to be pre-emptively defeated, but i honestly feel that western civilization is a lost cause
freedom of speech will soon crumble, debate will cease and collapse will follow
i just stay contented through books that i enjoy
it seems a real possibility that sources of information will begin to be outlawed in the future, so i try to make the most of the time i have left in this situation
I see. I also usually prefer console games, since I feel less like a time-waster. (I can play when commuting or when I'm waiting for something etc)
But atm I really don't have a lot going on, and when on steam me and my sister chat, so I know she's wasting her time too, so I feel more at ease. So I decided to try some PC games out that I've wanted to play since I was younger, but just didn't have the money for. (and some new games obviously)
I'm really unsure about Finland desu.
All our news stations are leftists, so they always make me feel helpless. Most my friends (I'm 19, my closest friends atm are 21-31 age group since most are from my prior work place and people I met through my ex) at least share my views, which gives me some hope, since we're the next generation in power. (But people around my age and younger usually have libtard views, which worries me, but I think they'll grow out of it). Even reading the average finns views on any news website gives me some hope. (Usually the retard comments come from teen and middle-aged woman, which I just disregard).
I'm stating all this because it effects the votes.
I think we can still recover, if we leave the EU fast, and close the boarders and send the immigrants who shouldn't be here home. We also have to have a 0% tolerance policy of immigrants who speak against our nation.
I do think that if things don't change fast (It really feels 50/50 atm) the world will go to war.
I really don't think we're going to have big brother implemented and have thought police without somewhat of a fight, so I doubt we'll just have our freedom taken away from us without conflict beforehand. Individuals are already taking matters into their own hands. I'm somewhat against it, since I think it feeds into the leftists propaganda. But if the government refuses to make changes, then people will most likely revolt.
just finished another chapter of entirely simplified university textbook economics
almost caught up with the work i missed over the last fortnight
i really have no clue about the demographics of the United Kingdom (or any other country) with regards to political views
i know that progressivism is in the best interests for governments, so they will continue to shill it eternally
the migrant crisis is bad, but it's only a symptom of the greater problem, the belief in equality amongst all peoples
once (or if) my country leaves the EU and stops mass importation of pro-government anti-freedom culture destroyers, the immediate problem will have been solved, but it will only be a matter of time before progressiveness rears its head again and attempts to integrate conflicting cultures, led by the entirely ridiculous idea that humans are entirely fluid and adaptable to their current environment, and that culture, genes and upbringing have zero affect on a person's behaviour and capabilities
i really have no (moderately feasible) ideas on how to stop this mindset from spreading
education is entirely rotten, and the only thing that would solve this would be to remove regulation surrounding education (especially higher education) and to cease all government funding
that will never become popular consensus, though, so this will remain forever
Usually history repeats itself.
We've been to war to keep outsiders OUT,through-out history. So that will repeat itself (I hope).
>idea that humans are entirely fluid and adaptable to their current environment, and that culture, genes and upbringing have zero affect on a person's behaviour and capabilities
Their logic is the only reason they can't adapt is because the whites are pre-labeling them. kek.
I think the idea of the world becoming a soup will stop once it comes to war. Sure, us 'progressive' nations want everyone to get along. We're pacifist. The enemies, however, aren't. So war is inevitable if things continue. We'll either be wiped out, or we'll fight. Education will change regardless of which route is taken.
If you have a romanticized image of us, I'd expect you to know how to spell "Finns" correctly.
But here, this is probs what you're looking for. Pic related.
there are far too many unknown variables for me to be able to be confident in any prediction of events
i don't believe that society has ever reached current levels of guilt, apathy and weakness before, though
if, hypothetically, a war does erupt, we both know what side would have the most traitors
the inability for our people to act in unison is yet another reason why i feel doubt
Libtard always throw "Nazi" our way.
Insulting the messenger instead of confronting what they're saying is usually telling.
I feel the same way.
I'm not so sure about society reaching new levels of guilt, weakness and apathy is true, it's just taken a form that hasn't been seen before.
The thing is, even if we hypothetically go to war and Muslims win, they all have different ideas about their religion. They'll just end up killing each other once everyone else is wiped-out.
There is just so many roads we can go down, and they all look pretty grim.
This might not happen during my life time, but I think it will eventually come, I mean they don't really have any reason to stop.
I'm pretty sad since I see Finland becoming so unsafe by the time I'm 30 (if things don't change), that I won't be able to walk outside after dark by myself. Even right now I won't walk outside during the dark in big cities.
> The number of crimes per immigrant who lives in Finland is almost eight times as high as that of native Finns when looking at rape related crimes. It was also stated that the immigrants originating from Africa and Middle East commit the highest levels of crimes, with the level being seventeen times as high as that of native Finns. The offenses committed by the immigrant groups most often target the natives of the area
Gomen, it's a habit.
Libtard is derogatory slang for liberals, you got me.
Nazi on the other hand is not derogatory slang but a comparison to an ideology. (One which I don't hold)
Will probably be filled with "buh my feels".
You can't counteract what I'm saying, because it means you'd have to delude yourself from all logic, and sound like you believe it, whilst your nation weeps in the background.
you don't even know who i am or what beliefs i adhere to (other than, perhaps, three)
it's clear that you believe that your beliefs are, without doubt, entirely more rational and /true/ than mind, or you wouldn't be following condescending narrative
literally all you've done is insult people and post memes
what a great representative of your cause you are
the west has already proven itself weak to our new inhabitants
they will continue to push boundaries until they are met with a push in the opposite direction; not because they are muslims, or non-white, or non-western, but because they want all that they can get
we would do the same if we entered another culture and they proceeded to roll over and avert their gazes when we started go against their values
my predictions are entirely devoid of empirical analysis, but i believe that (western) europe will be unrecognisable in the not-so-distant future
the best option will likely be to flee
>it's clear that you believe that your beliefs are, without doubt, entirely more rational and /true/ than mine*
i wouldn't normally point this out, but pic related
>you don't even know who i am or what beliefs i adhere to (other than, perhaps, three)
You've posted more than enough about yourself and your beliefs in this threads to warrant making a judgement.
And my judgement is that you're a raging retard.
Besides that, you know nothing about me, my beliefs or anything. Maybe I'm even on your side ideologically but just think the way you represent it hurts the cause?
Or I don't give a shit about politics at all, but the way you present yourself and your worldview made me gag IRL?
We'll never know.
I agree on the first point.
>they will continue to push boundaries until they are met with a push in the opposite direction; not because they are muslims, or non-white, or non-western,
Most immigrants are muslim atm, and the quran specifically teaches them to drain us, infiltrate us, push boundaries etc.
So I see some correlation. I do believe many immigrants come in to just laze about and get a cushy life-style. They aren't really the largest danger to Europe though.
>my predictions are entirely devoid of empirical analysis, but i believe that (western) europe will be unrecognisable in the not-so-distant future
Like I said, we're pacifists, but the rest aren't. If it was up to us, we'd be a mix-pot. The outsiders don't want a mix-pot. They want sharia law. The only advantage they have over us is that they aren't afraid to revert to violence. It's actually expected of them, and even praised.
You're responding to another anon. I'm OP.
>Maybe I'm even on your side ideologically but just think the way you represent it hurts the cause?
Posting a picture with "Seig fail" said enough. dw, we know whose side you're on.
>Or I don't give a shit about politics at all
You obviously care, or you wouldn't have posted, or have political memes saved on your comp.
So you're saying that you aren't even interested in the topic at hand, and you've done no evaluation of my points - you've simply looked at them and recoiled: "I'M OFFENDED" and then thrown insults in my direction while you attempt to retreat back to your safe space.
You haven't even pointed out any of my flaws, and of that there are probably many
My world-view is likely incorrect. I will likely never be correct. I hope to be correct. Why aren't you pointing out inconsistencies in my arguments? Why aren't you challenging my world-view? Why must you take the form of such a fucking moron?
I didn't mean to imply that islam isn't dangerous in of itself, but the errors of the west in this case are indefensible and must be attributed to cowardice rather than ignorance of islam itself, because such expansive and obtrusive behaviour occurs (even if in a smaller magnitude) amongst any group of people when the opportunity presents itself
I really don't know what event will be enough to spur retaliation
I just hope something of large magnitude will happen soon
I doubt retaliation will ever occur if these events only increase in frequency and size at a slow pace
or have political memes saved on your comp.
>saving pictures like this on your computer
Hey Finland, the 90s called, they want their 56k modems back and recommend you this thing called "Google".
On another note: Your talk of "sides" one is on is amusing.
> implying I really care and don't just prod your sore points because it obviously makes you fly into ragemode real hard
I checked it out, seems that clown was in Finland.
Those are the same type of youths,that parade at slut walks (Don't even know their own cause,). They're devoid of any agenda other than attention garnering. They're also devoid of any sign of intelligence, which is pretty obvious when you open the walkers twitters.
The video of them parading around on their own youtube has more dislikes than likes, which speaks volumes.
These are the type of people that have opposing views. This is what the far left looks like in Finland atm. Shit. I didn't know it was this bad.
> implying I really care and don't just prod your sore points because it obviously makes you fly into ragemode real hard
You didn't prob any sore points? You didn't prob any points at all.
>errors of the west in this case are indefensible and must be attributed to cowardice rather than ignorance of islam itself
I think it's a bit of both. We're afraid to be called intolerant, which is where our fear stems from. It's not fear of actual violence, since we could close our boarders, send the illegals back out, and lock up everyone causing trouble.
But the other error is Europeans thinking everyone else thinks like us, and can adapt, and WANT to adapt. They think if we give out enough compassion, tolerance, and acceptance, then eventually the immigrants will all adapt. If they looked into the fundamental values of Islam, they'd know that adaption is not allowed unless the purpose is to infiltrate.
>I really don't know what event will be enough to spur retaliation
After every attack I think "Yup this is it." But it never is, it's always followed by European apologists killing my hope.
>I doubt retaliation will ever occur if these events only increase in frequency and size at a slow pace
Like I said, if it doesn't occur, we'll be wiped out.
fuck that video is a cringefest
on the other end of the spectrum, here's a gay libertarian furry
now i'm probably going to continue studying
'i was just pretending to be retarded'
lol @ trying to be a person
I target the introverted kind of weird people and we never connect. I'm pretty sure they develop some kind of disdain for me. it seemed like my friend was trying to threaten me through text, so I might be getting paranoiad as well
how am i meant to respond to such a statement
am i biologically blind or metaphorically blind to the truth
she probably doesn't feel as strongly as you do or she would've said more when you explicitly asked her
probably not a good idea to escalate physical contact, perhaps show affection in other ways or just be a better version of yourself for a while
offer to pay for a few rounds after you've both already had a fair amount to drink
if she doesn't share your feelings already, i doubt it's possible to make her do so through a continued barrage of attempts
it nothing comes to fruition, it might be worth disappearing out of her life for a few months and then trying again
How did they threaten you?
Don't insist on paying if you think it'd be weird. If she orders and the bartender asks if you're paying for both just casually say "sure" and you can see how she reacts afterwards. Don't make a big show of paying though, it usually makes us uncomfortable.
i really don't think there's any way to keep a meaningful conversation with a person who doesn't share interests with you
and if you do share interests, it's extremely easy
most of the time, unless you have actual disorders, it's extremely easy to talk to a person for a long time
i suppose if conversation runs dry, take inspiration from your surroundings to create talking points
your worries are probably irrational if you're anything like me
i'm a super introvert solitude master and even i can hold a multiple hour long conversation with somebody provided they're not entirely uninteresting to me
if your relationship with a person is going to last, you probably don't need to plan out conversations with them in advance
tl;dr: just don't be retarded
he talks to my ex, and I had gone kind of crazy after we started hooking up again recently. it feels like he's trying to belittle me through text. he asked if I was home, then said 'k' after I said yeah
he dick rides me in person and I'm not sure where that attitude is coming from
what are your conversations like?
the next level is when you feel your attractiveness. I don't think you'd be asking her how she felt (which is weird) if you felt attractive
>what are your conversations like?
they feel more than 'just friends' conversations, but then again im autismo so a girl talking to me at all seems like flirting
>the next level is when you feel your attractiveness. I don't think you'd be asking her how she felt (which is weird) if you felt attractive
it was late at night and she said "this is the best time to ask personal questions, you're more likely to get a response" so she asked stuff and so did i. im aware that by asking/knowing her feelings, i'm losing a lot of the fun and spontaneity that is required to progress to a meaningful relationship, but she knows/knew my feelings, i should at least know hers
That's really incoherent. I don't see how they relate?
give examples of "more than just friend"-type of convos. I can give some female insight although I obviously can't speak for her, but I can generalize.
Did you ask her if she thought you were attractive?
Did you tell her you liked her and she didn't respond with "I like you too"?
you're talking about a meaningful relationship with someone you've never kissed
this isn't going to workout for you and I'm guessing she's using you as an ego boost
who's idea was it to go to a bar
I don't feel like going into it on soc, but he ignored something I said to ask me if I'm at my house
I've beat his ass in the past because he kissed and he was at an area another person I fought hangs out. they're both bitter about it and it felt like he was threatening me
>you're talking about a meaningful relationship with someone you've never kissed
that's true, im just gonna relax then
and mine because there's a hockey game on so i thought worst case, we can just watch that
>give examples of "more than just friend"-type of convos. I can give some female insight although I obviously can't speak for her, but I can generalize.
it's hard to show without large amounts of examples, but the more i think about it, maybe it was one sided flirting
fuck whatever. she wants to hang out today so she has SOME interest, at the very least as a friend. she had a lot of opportunities to end it and she didn't
my friend told me 'if you play - you might win, but if you don't play at all - you lose'. may as well give it a shot
if you were flirting with her heavily and she wants to meet, then yeah she's interested
I don't really flirt tobh. the other day I was with a group and a girl I had just met invited me to smoke a cigarette with her. she's older than me and she was trying to make a point about getting older, how it's never what you think it is. I said 'age ain't nothin but a number' almost under my breath and she started telling me how her ex didn't like sex. I ddidn't really know what to say to that. I said I used to not like to cuddle, then she put her cigarette out and left me outside
I guess I fucked that up?
things are confusing without alcohol
>if you were flirting with her heavily and she wants to meet, then yeah she's interested
that's what im hoping for
in my limited and admittably pretty bad experience, for flirting (assuming you're not Chad or rich), you have to balance subtlety with directness, which i know is a paradox
alcohol is good because it puts everyone on a level playing field and you know more or less that if they're drinking, they're in that party/fun mood. in someone's sober, it's hard to tell if they're open to sexual advances; you might just end up creeping them out
it's why I hate non-drinkers at parties. are you there to have fun or are you there because you got dragged there? are you gonna act offended if i flirt? etc
It reeeeally depends. I have a guy who I've been friends with since I was 16. He has been 'after' me for the last 3 years (and openly so.) I enjoy his company, so I do ask him to hang out when we're both in our hometown. I still don't have a romantic interest in him, and I've made that really clear.
I think you should just make a move. You seem deep enough into it that it's really now or never.
>the other day I was with a group and a girl I had just met invited me to smoke a cigarette with her.
Sounds pretty normal. Maybe she thought you were the only one who'd come.
Personally, if it's a guy I just met, I'd rather him initiate us being one on one together. If I ask a new guy to be one on one with me, and talk about my ex out of all things, it usually means I'm not looking for anything romantic.
>It reeeeally depends. I have a guy who I've been friends with since I was 16. He has been 'after' me for the last 3 years (and openly so.) I enjoy his company, so I do ask him to hang out when we're both in our hometown. I still don't have a romantic interest in him, and I've made that really clear.
so babe throw down time you got romantic interest in me or not? make it clear as fuck
I dont go to the doctors man. Theyre a bunch of quacks. Tell me a bunch of shit that I already know or Im dying. All for that government money my friend.
I feel you man. I feel. Shits about to go down. I keep having a dream about a storm when I actually sleep. And each time it gets worse and worse. Somethings coming my man, And Im ready.
The only enjoyment I'll get out of it, is the wakeup it's going to cause.
Bruh where a country is has nothing to do with being a minority, Europeans literally made south Africa a livable place. Then Mandela and his terrorists crucified them with international support.
Don't bother with them. Seriously. They don't want to hear facts. So many people just in late 2013 were on my case about my beliefs, and so I just kept my mouth shut. Over 2 years later without saying a word about it and most of my friends have immediately figured most of it out. Not all of it. But ones who are smart enough will probably get. A lot won't. Don't play their game. Every belief egalitarians have is based on feelings and will change accordingly. Don't engage them.
I wouldn't say non-egagement is necessarily the right course. Most people are just completely ignorant and not deep-seeded in their beliefs. Just talking about statistics was plenty enough for most of my peers.
Most kids are taught about Apartheid and Mandela in school (very briefly) and it takes a few years for the 'brainwashing' or whatever you'd like to call it, to wear off. The anons who are in mid-20s and still believe what they're taught in highschool are just a lost cause tho.
Exactly. Some victims are still alive and the masses are just spitting in their face defending Mandela's actions. It's terrible.
Even with statistics presented, they'll take the next route which is "W-well he HAD to. Oppreshun"
Sounds good anon.
Why'd she cancel? What'd you eat? It's still morning here, and I'm starviiiiing.
It's a step in the right direction, tho. The more logical leaps you make people do the further you push them into seeing the cliff they're jumping from.
I'd rather them face reality then pretend it never happened. It tends to have a sobering effect.
I have decided to learn how to draw, and have also been practicing shadowboxing(because I never get to the gym anyways)
I just recently started graveyard shifts, but they are on-call so I get a lot of downtime.
I just read the Mandela and spear of the nation wikis
he literally did nothing wrong
he wanted change, he gave them a chance, he fucked shit up, he spent 27 years in prison
I believe in revolution
not sure what emotion that's supposed to elicit; I already said I read the wiki
you're a child for posting that yt video though. as if even the American pledge is anything other muscle memory at this point, he's not actually singing along and I know bhulu means dutch
you won't find me hating on any historical militant activist, let alone a revolutionary
I've been reading The Illustrated Man at work.
At home I've been playing Fallout 4. I just started Star Wars Bounty Hunter (the PS4 version) an hour ago, but there's some glitch that breaks the game in the second level, it's happened to me twice already and I've send an angry report to Sony because of it. I doubt they'll do anything.
Also my cat keeps getting in my way.
>star wars bounty hunter
he's a commie
he's ordered people's deaths
he's married a woman known to necklace people
he lowered the life expectancy of (at least) ~45 million people by 10 years
basic math: that's half a billion lost years of life
>married a women known to necklace people
I can't say I care about the life expectancy on that backwards continent. I believe in filibustering
what is 'commie' supposed to make me feel, honestly?
commie* is supposed to make you feel death, starvation, authoritarianism and stagnation
*ideological communism differs from what occurs when a single man rules a country and claims communism, we all know this, do not point it out
you don't need to admire the man to admire his traits
he had will, he had cunning, he had drive and he could get what he wanted
you can admire all of these traits without admiring the man
I know, it pains me as well. I sold my PS2 three years ago for drug money. I'm not proud of it, and I regret it like hell, I had an amazing collection and a fat PS2 that lasted me for literally 10 years with no problems.
I'm just glad it's on the PS4 now, because they're cunts about releasing PS2 and PS3 games on that console. Bounty Hunter may be broken atm but they'll probably fix it, the game hasn't been on here for too long.
If anybody would like to chat on Telegram, my username is @gongozzle
No im happy. The only sad fags I know are weird liberal fags.