>>7854718 Researchers always have access to the articles they need, if your institution doesn't subscribe to the journal your library's collaborators can get it for you legally, this is no time or effort on your part, there is literally dedicated staff who's job it is to get it for you, a quick email and you have it a few minutes later.
The people who use the term "paywall" are generally not researchers, but people who want to read an article for personal interest.
She has a point when she says: >"All papers on their website are written by researchers, and researchers do not receive money from what Elsevier collects. That is very different from the music or movie industry, where creators receive money from each copy sold," >"everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits"
>>7854784 >>"everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits" Thanks, I will use this to get into concerts for free from now on.
>>7854784 >And why should they not be able to? Because it costs money to maintain the database infrastructure, the editors and the prestige of the journal through peer reviewers etc.
When you give that away to people who get it for free they are not a part of the system that contributes to sustaining the academic community; they are parasites who do not put back into the system like researchers do. They should at the very least pay the nominal fee to access whatever papers they want.
>Elsevier doesn't pay Of course not. Direct payment isn't the product Elsevier is selling to researchers, quality and exclusivity is. People keep sending their papers to Elsevier instead of arXiv for a very good reason.
Also kind of ironic what she's saying about music when scum like her believe pirating music isn't stealing either.
>>7854804 >When you give that away to people who get it for free they are not a part of the system that contributes to sustaining the academic community; they are parasites who do not put back into the system like researchers do. They should at the very least pay the nominal fee to access whatever papers they want.
Most universities, where this research is taking place, are funded by the state in some way. Most research is funded directly through grants (some private, some state). I, as a taxpayer, am already paying a nominal fee to fund the sciences in my country.
Why should I not have access to the results of scientific research?
>>7854970 You are very wrong. It's a preprint server. It's where you put things to make them available immediately, usually while they are undergoing peer review. In fact, some journals are starting to require an arXiv number for submission.
It's pretty clear you've never done real research.
>>7854768 >The people who use the term "paywall" are generally not researchers, but people who want to read an article for personal interest. As an amateur engineer the paywall is the bane of my life. I get blocked out of the academic community just because I am not part of an institute? How is this fair? For instance I wanted to access papers on fluid coupling design and I couldn't so had to make do with my own basic first-principles model and guess what? /sci/ gave me shit for "trying to disprove the existing theory" when I posted it on here for verification. Well fuck you how am I supposed to use the real theory when I am blocked from seeing it?
>>7855352 thanks. What's next on the research list, boundary layer flow, like hell am I going to model that with A-level physics. My library had a book that solved the Navier-Stokes equation for boundary layer flow but that was only for a flat plate. I need to know for a curved plate.
>>7855303 >because I am not part of an institute? >How is this fair? You said it yourself, you're not contributing to the reputation (and thus ability to get grants) of an institute so why we share our resources (that we pay to maintain) with you?
>>7854755 >Not it just increases the millions of STEM wannabes fighting each other just for 1 job opening And which job is this? In case you didn't realise it: reviewing articles is done for free. it supposedly bestows prestige on the editors.
Too bad you cannot eat this prestige. From my time as a researcher I had no disposable income after paying student loans.
>>7855432 Registering at a university library is really not that expensive and you get access to quality information scientists who will help you with anything you need. Stop whining and just sign up. Paywalls aren't going to disappear any time soon.
>>7854768 >> Researchers always have access to the articles they need Nope. My institution doesn't subscribe to every fucking journal out there. Even top tier institutions don't subscribe to every fucking journal
>> your library collaborators can get it legally Which takes a long fucking time and you get it in shitty copy tier quality. They will sometimes refuse requests too. Apparently you can't get a whole book. Fuck those springer 'publish your article as a chapter in a book' things.
>>7855464 >Which takes a long fucking time and you get it in shitty copy tier quality. Fair enough. I never said the system didn't have flaws. But trying to make it all "free as in free beer" isn't the asnwer.
>>7855473 >But trying to make it all "free as in free beer" isn't the asnwer. Yes it is. My university puts all papers (pre-review versions) in an open-access archive that's free as in beer. So there's no point to have Elsevier making money by providing the same thing. Right now, the only benefit of having a tie to the publisher is the brand recognition of the journal.
Also, my papers are available via scihub, and I don't disapprove.
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