So LIGO results get published tommorow. Probably. How many of

bump.
interesting

This will happen:
- half the theoreticians will see their pet theories buried alive
- the other half will try to find more evidence for being right
- string theoreticians will yet again dial another set of knobs and exclaim this fits well with their existing framework.

I confidently ignored the waves chapter in Wald back when I had my GR lecture. I probably should read up on it when exams are over.

>>7848431
what is there to read?
Either they're detected or not, what paper could you write about that?

>>7848853
You're a fucking idiot.
Nobody doubts the existence of gravitation waves, it's taken for granted on all mainstream theories.
I agree on the string theorists shit though.

>>7849471
Most people here don't understand gravity waves in the first place and the paper will probably have some background on them.

>>7848431
Oh shit forgot that's tommorow
On a similar GR, note, when is the event horizon telescope gonna take a picture of *A ffs

>>7848853
I refuse to believe that anywhere close to half of all physicists' pet theories are directly at odds with GR.

>>7848431
If anything, I'd imagine the statistical techniques they used to prove that it wasn't just noise will be the crucial part. The general relativity part is basically universally agreed upon.
I don't think we'll be able to say it's been proven scientifically, anyway, until the other detectors around the world get up and running and reproduce the results.
It's only science if it can be repeated.

>>7849521
so is climatology a science?

>>7849491
>Most people here don't understand gravity waves
You're one fucking idiot.
This is all about gravitational waves, not gravity waves.
Why do retards talk about stuff they don't understand? i'm sick of this place.

how do you even measure waves that are as weak as this?

>>7849707
two possibilities:
-You just got trolled hard and took the bait like a fucking tuna
-You're getting mad at someone for whom english isn't their mother tongue.

Does LIGO deal with ligand-activated intracytoplasmatic transcription factors?

>>7849771
How about
- A retard who doesn't even know physics and elementary stuff such as GR read about LIGO's upcoming announcement on a popsci site and came to /sci/ to talk bullshit

Will anti-gravity happen in my lifetime or not nerds? I expect to average out another 45 years.

>>7849855
No.

>>7849839
>assuming that /sci/ isn't said popsci site

fuck off pretending to be smart and elite, you're an idiot and nobody cares
I bet you even think your 3.9 gpa makes you smart.. haha.. ha.. ha.. i remember when i thought that

>>7848853

you see this all the time as a result of scientific revolution -- the clarity of valid results affirms one single thread of thought, the content of which becomes so obvious, as is the case with any effective solution, after the fact -- and the majority of the speculative research that never quite went anywhere, done with defective methods, done mostly to satisfy a personal whim or to take up time to satisfy tenure, is annihilated

>>7849956
I love my 0.9 GPA

>>7849539
have you seen the curriculum that climatologists take? its almost as bad as biology

>>7848853
>- string theoreticians will yet again dial another set of knobs and exclaim this fits well with their existing framework.

salty because his theory of everything doesn't explain everything

Step it up, pleb

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Undergrad at UWM here. A bunch of my professors work with LIGO and are hyped as fuck. Half the staff is gone and the few that are here couldn't stop smiling. It was pretty funny to watch.

That being said though, judging by how they were acting (we are holding a livestream of the conference on campus) it seems like this will be a huge announcement.

>>7848431

What are the implications of this discovery? I mean, could this impact future space exploration in anyway?

>>7850122
>future space exploration
we are not going anywhere soon, go to bed.

>>7850084

You're in high school right? University level biology is not all "memorization" like it is in high school. On the contrary, you do need a knowledge of chemistry and the labs require you to understand and apply concepts not just memorize them.

>tfw i should have gotten a physics major instead of computer science so i can understand this

Oh well at least i can pay the bills

I'll admit to being totally in the dark about all this
Can someone give me a summary or link me to a reliable source so I can read up on Gravitational Waves and the implications their existence would have on... well... stuff

>>7850125

Ok sorry

>>7850131
>wave come
>space contracts
>wave leaves
>space goes back normal

:^)

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>>7850136
Hurr waves

>>7850122
seeing beyond the cmb?

*yawn*

>>7849839
GR isn't elementary you dipshit. It's a grad ellective at most unis and if you don't end up working in the field you most likely will never come in touch with it.

>>7850122
>21st century physics research
>Real-world applications
Pick one.

>>7850527
>he doesn't know about solid states
>he doesn't know about nanostructures
>he doesn't know about macroscopic grain fluids

>>7850532
Chemistry.

>>7850536
But that's not chemistry.

>>7850536
>>7850537
Not to speak of optical cavities, topological surfaces, superconductor research etc, i.e you're full of shit.

>>7850540
>topology
>useful
ayy lmao

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>>7848853
>string theoreticians will yet again dial another set of knobs and exclaim this fits well with their existing framework.

>>7848853
I will stand with quantum loop gravity [spoiler]mainly because that's what my uni does and it's kinda cool it's not like I have a clue anyway[/spoiler]

CS tard here

If this turns out to be real, would this open up another possibility of observing the universe? So instead of observing different wavelengths we could now observe the universe via gravity?

How exact is this? Did the big bang emit these waves?

Is this going to revolutionize astronomy, or is it mostly going to impact the theoretical side of things?

>>7850627
It will be a new astronomical observation tool

All:
Anyone have a working link to thevpress conference?

Any idea where the paper(s) will be? arXiv or some paywalled journal?

>>7850631
>It will be a new astronomical observation tool

sweet


I take it if you place multiple detectors on earth, you could triangulate the source of these waves?

>>7850636
There are two stations now and yes, they can determine the direction of the source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGO#Observations

>>7850640
What about the source of the direction?

>>7850636
The problem with earth based detectors, is the interference (obviously) the next gen will be space based detectors.

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Where were you when The Jews were right again?

STREAM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyo4DFr4D4I

Is this it: http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02809 ?

>>7850682
Thank you very much. Greatly appreciated, searched everywhere for a stream.

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>>7849855
What is anti-gravity? Why is pic related not anti-gravity?

>>7850682
>http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02809

No that's not it. The paper will have the full LIGO collaboration as authors.

>>7850774
anti-gravity is the repelling force something creates when it has negative mass.

I'm pretty sure it's impossible to create a substance with negative mass, unless the object in question is traveling at negative speed/negative the speed of light, which is itself impossible.

basically, don't hold your breath on anti-gravity.

>>7850757
i have a couple of links ready that should be showing some sort of stream but that you tube one should do

http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/research/activity/physics/astronomy/gravitational-wave-astronomy.aspx

https://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/

http://astronomy.com/news/2016/02/watch-gravitational-waves-announcement-live

>>7850791
And
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyo4DFr4D4I

Though the stream has been infected with twitch cancerous spam.

>>7850632
>Any idea where the paper(s) will be? arXiv or some paywalled journal?
>>>
> Anonymous 02/11/16(Thu)07:25:24 No.7850636▶>>7850640 >>7850653
>>>7850631
>>It will be a new astronomical observation tool
>sweet
>I take it if you place multiple detectors on earth, you could triangulate the source of these waves?
Probably arXiv

>>7850682
Thanks for the stream.

Who /hype/ here? Do you think this thread'll get stickied and will be so huge as the thread for the Higgs boson was?

>>7850839
i've been waiting for years for something like this, 1st year student and i feel like the only person on my course who's genuinely excited, fucking sucks man

at least we get to 2 lectures were cancelled so the professors could watch the stream live

>>7850839
I wish. /sci/ mods a shit tho.

>>7850839
Possibly. Depends on if the mods realize how big this is. You can try submitting a feedback on it to inform them, but personally I don't believe they actually check those feeds.

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Shit's going down.

STREAM HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7293kAiPZw

/hype/!!

Anyone else not having sound?

>>7850882
yes

>>7850882
Same here.

>>7850882
it's been redacted by the CIA

http://www.virgo-gw.eu/ xx:27

then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7293kAiPZw xx:30

then
https://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play.php?event=496299 xx:00

STICKY

MOOODDSSS

The chat is literally twitch level

look at those pictures left and right, I guess we're getting some proof today

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>>7850887
This is some big news

Who invited all the meme babbies to the chat?

>>7850882
Virgo has sound

>>7850898
For
>>7850900
you.

>>7850900
REEEEEEEddit

YEESSS

https://content.jwplatform.com/players/JK3Q6HUT-uRmjM0Xa.html

https://content.jwplatform.com/players/JK3Q6HUT-uRmjM0Xa.html

https://content.jwplatform.com/players/JK3Q6HUT-uRmjM0Xa.html

HERE WE GO, FUCKERS!

Yay, there's noise. Also, I don't think it's worth sticking this; back in 2012 there were hundreds of faggots posting. Now we're only just a few.

STOP DRIKING WATER AND UPDATE US NIGGERS

both have sound now

>French Surname
>Literally called France

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Cordova looked qt back in the day

Will interaction and manipulation of gravity on a field level happen in my lifetime? My children's lifetime?

Why do we always have these irrelevant assholes who do the presentations instead of the actual researchers? SJWshit?

This helped me understand


https://www.sciencenews.org/article/gravitational-waves-explained

She looks excited af

>>7850921

The Virgo one is better.

>>7850925
This

Also
>trailer
>THIS WINTER

sooo, they choose to do it the pop-sci way

Yaaaaay

CONFIRMED

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that bohr model triggers me every time

Yay.

>>7850919
I'd do her

WE DID IT

>we did it

>>7850920
fuck no

BAM TOUGH ACTIN' TINACTIN.

>>7850930
CERN was better. America = reading for faggots.

TOP
LEL

MOTHERFUCKER
YOU UNDERWHELMING MOTHERFUCKER

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>>7850927
THIS.

https://content.jwplatform.com/players/JK3Q6HUT-uRmjM0Xa.html

http://www.sr.bham.ac.uk/gwastro/what-are-we-looking-for

listen to the "chirp" here

So will Einstein get another nobel prize?
Everything he claimed, postulated has become reality.

>>7850940
CERN was retarded, this guy is cooler he just gave the results instead of trying to force everyone to watch two presentations before giving the conclusion.

WAVES DETECTED.

At least they claimed it now.

The Standard Model continues its tyranny

>>7850951
The standard model has nothing to do with gravity.

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Virgo stream master-race.

/SCI/ BTFO!!!!!!!

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Virgo stream!

https://content.jwplatform.com/players/JK3Q6HUT-uRmjM0Xa.html

I'm not a science nerd. Who just got BTFO as a result of whatever just happened? Anti-Einstenfags?

BIG BLACK HOLES

so deep

>>7850961

Einstein was right once again


https://www.sciencenews.org/article/gravity-waves-black-holes-verify-einstein%E2%80%99s-prediction

DUDEEE WAVESSS LMAO

>>7850957
The Nasa one has some nice eye candy, but they're not actually talking about the results.

Also
>I don't want to be scared.
Lol

>>7850947
You don't know anything about hype.

>>7850939
YOU GOT THE MAMA BUCKET AND THE DADDY BUCKET
OVER HERE IS THE BABY BUCKET

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PAPER IS OUT

can someone explain what's going on for those who can't watch the stream?

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WHO /gtech/ HERE?

Oh fuck, a hispanic speaking in English.

I'm out.

>>7850978
+1

>>7850961
everyone already believed that gravitation waves existed (cause the math works). Now, we have solid proof that they exist, and possible applications of this discovery.

>>7850974
THE BABY BUCKET CREATES THESE WAVES IN SPACE TIME THAT WE OBSERVED. WE COULD TELL. IT KILLED THE MAMA AND DADA BUCKET, BUT IT CREATED A RIPPLE, SO THERE'S THAT.

>>7850979
My nigga. Took a GR class with Dr. Shoemaker, who was a pretty big part of all this.

What does this even mean? Is this some shocker to people?

>>7850978
gravitation waves detected consistent with 2 blackholes merging into one.

>>7850976
link: http://link.aps.org/doi/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.061102

>>7850978
some nerd shit

>>7850985
lol

>>7850978

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7293kAiPZw

>>7850984
So if gravity exudes characteristics of waves, does that mean it is quantifiable, as per the graviton, for instance?

>>7850990
where were they detected?
how did they get the blackholes?

>>7850976
>significance greater than 5.1 sigma.
Eat shit, CERN.

>>7850996
they made them with a 3d printer

this poor woman sounds like she's really struggling with English

So, gravitational waves are what happen when universe farts?

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He just played the sound from the 2 black hole merging

There was a video too

>>7850973
Nigger fuck hype, I have work to do. I'll read the paper later.

>>7850976
>>7850969
Keep posting slides pls

>>7850992
not loading, i am so sad right now

>>7851009
slides: http://www.virgo-gw.eu/

>those sounds

Satan confirmed

CHIRP

>KAGRA
lel too bad

>>7850996
On both LIGO detectors.
Blackholes are astronomical objects predicted by GTR and we have plenty of evidence they exist. The signal detected matches theoretical simulations of what will happen if two blackholes merged into one thus the logical conclusion is that the gravitational waves detected originated on an event where 2 backholes merged.

How can they calculate the distance from this data?

Rainer Weiss sounds a lot like Feynman I like it

>>7850995
I don't know. It's very possible, but having concrete proof of something we already 'knew' existed wouldn't make research any easier.

WTF IS THAT GREEN STUFF

>>7851011

THE BIGGEST

>Virgo stream talking about history shit

Switch back to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7293kAiPZw

They're a bit too simplistic, but it's alright.

>>7850992
unintended dods probably.
Any other link?

>>7851043
I'm trying to download the PDF and mirror it.

>>7851044
S.T.R.A.I.N.

Anything in these results that wasn't expected?

>82000 viewers

>>7851055
Not really.

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here's the announcing in a nutshell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDkJhnCi3NA

Shots fired

>>7851059
Maybe next time

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>joke

>>7851048
thats a good anon.

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>>7851061
k-kek?

Based fucking Kip

>>7851006
>"heard"
>sound file

why do they do this?

>>7851065
I laughed

So, the founders of LIGO will naturally get the physics nobel prize?

Definitely

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>>7851048
i would really appreciate that.

https://dcc.ligo.org/LIGO-P150914/public

the paper

Whoop de fucking doo.

>>7851072
for the uneducated masses.
they pay for this shit after all and you need to give something back so they feel happy.

So, uh. How do they know these sounds aren't from something bumping against the metal tubes? Or wind blowing across the tubes?

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>>7851061
F*ck it

>>7851076
Beat me to it.
Mirror here: https://ia601500.us.archive.org/25/items/PhysRevLett.116.061102/PhysRevLett.116.061102.pdf

>>7851084
Simply said, because it happened in two distant places at the same time.

time travel when?

>>7851089
October last year.

What in the actual fuck does this mean? How is this going to directly impact anything? FUCKING CALL ME WHEN YOU HAVE FTL TRAVEL FIGURED OUT!

>>7851089
In the future. And in the past. And in the present.

>>7851089
Never

>>7851089
right after I finish my tachyonic anti-telephone in the garage

>>7851098

this senpai baka

>>7851098
>How is this going to directly impact anything?
>implying that even matters now

>>7851098
it won't, and if it does, you'll have to thank a group of engineers, not these mummified physicists.

>>7851106
Actually it impacts all matter

>>7851098
It impacts our knowledge of the Universe you fucking philistine

>>7851113
kek

https://losc.ligo.org/events/GW150914/

>>7851113
kek

>>7851106
I mean this discovery what does this matter to anyone outside of astronomy? I just want to into space.

>>7851113
Ayy

>>7849716
You need a lot of gravity, like two black holes colliding.

>>7851087
Das it? 8 pages with pictures? Is that the whole thing? And it's gonna win them a Nobel? If I made that thing just like that, 8 and a quarter pages, would it give me a doctor's degree?
I mean it's not like I'm gonna read that shit

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>>7851113

So this shit exist. What will we be able to see
through that when LISA go online?

It's confirmed. They detected gravitational waves.

>>7851136
But can they detect why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?

>Newton BTFO

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>>7848431

SEE >>7851130
Paper is released.
Here is an the actual scientific talk and dissection of the paper from CERN.

https://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/embed.php?event=496299
None of that dumbed down NSF press meet and greet shit. JUST SCIENCE

>>7851131
This is just kind of a press release, they're going to publish more detailed articles later on. Have you seen Planck? It's like 30 technical reports altogether.

Why the fuck are they allowing the stupid >muh emotions questions first?

>It's a good event

>>7851147
Thanks.

>>7851131
It is the result of 40 years work and that paper builds on 100s other papers related to theory and technology. Many other papers will follow but this one presents the result concisely.

Are you the guys trolling the chat room in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7293kAiPZw

does this mean we can make gravitational radiation based communications? Do the gravitational waves get reflected by matter? Do they travel at c through all media?

scroll down for those wave audio files, sounds like out of a movie

https://losc.ligo.org/events/GW150914/

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Would alcubierre drive generate a gravity wave and would it be big enough to detect? Is today the start of a new SETI program that might be successful?

>>7851170
Please keep the memeposting to a minimum.

>>7851131
John Nash had a fucking 2 page paper for his proof

>>7851132
Haha, thanks for the funny cat. Will save.

>>7851162
imagine them coming over to /sci/

let's hope no one invites them

>>7851162
No, it's Reddit.

>>7851167
That's what I'm wondering, since they compared it to x-rays and radio.

It probably also means that everything has a gravitational signature, just like things have heat signatures.

>>7851178
Who

>>7851186
They're extremely weak tho.

>>7851167
>does this mean we can make gravitational radiation based communications?
yes but it won't be very economical given that you need to merge two black holes to get a single blip.

Did that fucking journo just try to accuse them of plaigirism? What the fuck.

>>7851167
Kek, the anime about utilizing gravitational waves as a signature to detect things and disturbance in space, were right all along.

Japs

>>7851074
Yeah but there's so many people who made the machine possible that the Nobel comitee's retarded 3 person rule will inevitably screw some people over.

You can always reward the boss, sure, but is that a really fair thing when other people contributed more?

>>7851197
Putin pls

>>7851162
It's the whole of the world my man...isn't it beautiful?

>>7851197
>If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.

Science builds on top of science.

>>7851167
>does this mean we can make gravitational radiation based communications?
In theory yes, but practically you'd need to shake 2 blackholes to create waves powerful enough to be detected, so no.

>>7851197
Russians are salty because they are so bad at recognizing good ideas and implementing them.

>>7851185
Reddit only has a tiny thread on this, they're probably waiting for le black science man to explain it.

>>7851147
Noice, thanks m8

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>>7850078
>scientific revolution
you do know that there is no progress in science, right ? or have you skipped your classes about philosophy of science ?

>>7851174
Just looking for a reason to get excited about this. Didn't answer btw.

>>7851200
which one?

>>7851224
>>7851170
No, ward drives, meme drives, escape dynamics(TM) drives are all pseudo-science bullshit.

>>7851195
>>7851213
it just means we need better sensors

Can someone briefly explain why this matters, and why it's groundbreaking? And why explosions/collisions create gravitational waves and what impact that has on other objects?

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>>7851135
As far as i know, different kinds of waves (with a slower period, triggered by different kind of events than bh mergers), and with much much more accuracy because of the huge fucking baseline

Only in the US can something exist like the "CHRISTIAN Science Monitor" and get an invite to the LIGO presentation and Q&A

>>7851213
>black holes merge
>More energy than all the stars combined

It was just far away, don't go setting off GW signals just yet

>>7851241
It's kinda funny reading this when at the same time they're explaining how many difficulties and little shit interferes with the interferometer, restringing the range of detection.

how can I have sex with it?

>>7851243
It validates a prediction of GTR. GTR along with quantum mechanics are the most important theories we have. It is nice when a theory describes a real event as it gives credence that the universe works the way the theory describes.
>why
They just do. There is no why. GTR describes HOW not why.
>what impact that has on other objects?
it deforms space-time but in an almost negligible way so nothing much happens.

>>7851307

Then who the fuck cares? Stupid nerd porn

>>7851317
Most of science is basically "nothing happens", were you expecting some warp drive?

so what determines the frequency of a GW?

I must be retarded because I'm not understanding something. They said the 2 black holes merged and formed 1 black hole that lost 3 solar masses of matter that was emitted as a gravity wave. What happened to conservation of matter? Does this mean gravity waves are a from of energy? Or is it something more wild like the blackhole's matter was converted to space/time and the gravity wave was created as a result of displacement from newly created space.

>>7851324

This one was caused my two black holes spinning around each other.

Imagine sticking two fingers in a water tank and swirling them around - what changes the frequency there?

>>7850917
kek

>>7851343

Mass and energy are the same thing, just in different forms.

They can be freely converted from one to the other without violating conservation laws.

>>7851324
In this case the merging event.
So the masses of the black holes + their angular and normal momentum + dynamics of the system.

>>7851317
Fundamentel research leads to HUGE applications but usually after several decades or centuries (regarding physics and especially mathematics).

>>7851317
GTR is pretty important and used in lots of technology. Also having data to confirm parts of it solidifies and removes other theories allowing better understanding and advancements. Just because you don't see anything now doesn't mean that something else could spawn off this discovery/proof later.

>>7851238
Rahxephon

>>7851343
What they discovered was gravitational waves, or more precisely, gravitational radiation. The definition of radiation is field disturbances that carry energy away from the source.

That gravity affects space-time was obviously known. What wasn't known was whether those disturbances could carry energy. Whether gravity could radiate.

Or something like that lmao

>>7851363

Dude that's fucking stupid we barely tax rich people now and waste it all on stuff we will never get to use, we could take that money and tax even more and actually give people stuff like degrees and jobs and food not some stupid funding for 1% science nerds that wanna jerk off to some new "discovery" that will get disproven in 10 yeas anyways

>>7851343
Good question and one that was settled decades ago. See "Sticky bead argument" on wikipedia. tl;dr GW carry energy.

>>7851376
trolling softly

>>7851384

I'm glad we can work our asses off to pay for you idiots to shitpost and research things that nobody cares about

Who am I kidding your probably a Popsci bro that works at Starbucks

>>7851390
Your trolling is so soft I need an interferometer to detect it.

>>7851399
"Kek"

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>>7848853
>string theoreticians will yet again dial another set of knobs and exclaim this fits well with their existing framework.
Fucking LOL. And people wonder why I say string theory is garbage.

>>7851373
>>7851379
Still trying to grasp this. It's basically a form of energy that can escape a black hole, even tho black holes are suppose to adsorb all energy. So we were able to detect this gravity wave because the blackhole was in a very violent state. But what about when the black hole is very still and not colliding with another blackhole. Is it still emitting a "standing wave" of gravity radiation that can't be detected because it's not fluctuating? Is this in anyway related to Hawkins radiation?

The concept is very similar to annihilation. Both matter and antimatter will behave normally under typical circumstances. However upon interaction with each other, they react by completely disentigrating each other, by losslessly converting their combined mass into energy.

Black holes do not emit any noteworthy gravitational phenomena under "typical" unaggregated circumstances. However, upon interaction and absorption of each other, they react by releasing energy in one of the few forms that black holes are incapable of influencing: in this case, gravity, in the form of waves.

>>7851076
>>7851087
thanks brethren

>>7851450
I thought about that too when they mentioned the collision of black holes being the source of the waves, but I don't understand it: black holes aren't eachothers antimatter right? So why would they annihilate?

>>7851420
>It's basically a form of energy that can escape a black hole.
More like it is energy that WAS the black hole and now it is in the form of GW.
>But what about when the black hole is very still and so on
I don't know enough GTR but only some solutions produce waves. So I do not think everything produces GW.
>Is this in anyway related to Hawkins radiation?
nope.

>>7850998
This
Jesus they don't know when to stop

>>7851468
Think about it more in the line of potential energy same as gravitational potential energy. Two black holes spiraling about each other lock in a huge amount of potential gravitational energy which is released when they finally merge in the form of GW.

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>>7851450
No, I'm pretty sure that what's actually lost is not mass-energy, it's *kinetic* energy. The black holes approach each other at incredible speed, and the radiation of gravitational waves acts almost as a spacetime "friction", slowing them down by just a tiny bit. However, because the damn things are just so fucking massive ([math] KE = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 [/math]), even that tiny slowdown emits a metric fuckton of energy.

>>7851450
>by losslessly converting their combined mass into energy.
That's not a very good analogy because the 2 black holes will fuse together in one more massive entity, unlike how particle-antiparticle cease to exist converting everything to energy.

>>7851239
why?

>>7851416
People wonder why you're a dumb tripfag, That is all.

>>7851490
mm.. okay, that explains the emission of energy, but why do they annihilate though?

plus, the potential difference is only one part of the energy they possess right? What happens to energy coming directly from their mass once they disappear?

(I'm >>7851550)

>>7851498
this makes more sense to me desu

>>7851468
They're not exactly like antimatter/matter, no. That was just an example.

Hawking radiation is only applicable when the black hole is too small, or has insufficient surface area to sustain itself, where it will "evaporate" away harmlessly, in the form of HR.

This will sound layman as fuck, but I assume that black holes are so exotic in the sense that most physical phenomena, including photons and, subsequently, light itself is incapable of escaping black holes, the only interactions they are capable of exuding are those dealing with gravity, since that is where a black hole's power, or action of force stems from: extremely powerful gravitational pull, strong enough to work on quantum bodies, like the photon. So, when black holes undergo substantial state changes, the only way they are capable of releasing energy in an interaction that involes the manifestation and release of gravity, since it is impossible for a gravity-oriented physical body to be capable of consuming the same force carrier that it relies on in order to maintain itself, or releasing other forms of energy it is likewise capable of consuming. Otherwise, you'd be presented with a problem where black holes that combine or interact with each other would end up in a feedback loop where they have the potential of infinite source of consumable energy, eventually resulting in the culmination of a critical mass.

>>7851571
*is in an interaction

>>7851363
Not really. In most cases applications historically comes before rigorous theory, not that theory doesn't play a vital role in cementing our understanding.

Early circuit researchers didn't start by trying to find Maxwell PDEs and the first general programmable digital computer didn't use deep theory either.

>>7851390
>Implying you actually contribute jack shit if you are as poor as you say you are.
We're paying for subsidizing your living costs and travel far more than you put back into the economy.

>>7851586
Theory and breakthroughs instead becomes crucial to the guy later on down the road with the idea for a patent, who decides a "practical" use for the ideas, right? Not trying to be belittling here, just making sure I'm following you here

If its a wave, can it be accesed, amplified and used

>>7851571
I understand up until the last sentence
>Otherwise, you'd be presented with a problem where black holes that combine or interact with each other would end up in a feedback loop where they have the potential of infinite source of consumable energy, eventually resulting in the culmination of a critical mass.

The gravity waves of colliding dark holes which are fucking lightyears away from us h

>>7851635
I wish I could explain better, but I'm stuck typing out these books on my Android.

Basically, black holes, like every other physical body, must also follow the rules like everybody else. Whenever a physical system like a black hole goes through a state change (merging), they must release energy in reaction on some level, as causual proof that a change has occurred. If a black hole releases energy in a form that it can easily consume, like light, then it could instantly release and consume "infinite" energy as it's going through said state change.

Since a black hole consumes things using gravity, it must therefore release energy in a form that cannot be instantly reabsorbed by the black hole. Thus, gravity waves, projecting outwards from the system.

>>7851697
(cont.)
Gravity cannot act on gravity to bring it inwards for consummation. Therefore, it presents itself as a candidate of releasable energy from the system.

>>7851450
>>7851571
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>>7851708
please note that I have no credible citations for the information I've presented. these are based on my own assumptions and understanding on the system

>>7851697
Ok, I think I get it now. Thanks for the explanation bro. Appreciate it.

>>7851725
No problem. Can't assure that I am 100% right though, like I said, layman as fuck, and probably littered with misconceptions.
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>>7851624
I just meant that historically technological progress was made more often with a guy playing in his forge/basement/garage (literally in the case of Woziak (which yes, was tangible prograss)) than from theoretical models.

What I'm getting at is this phrase I commonly hear when people who say "when we discovered the electron we got compooters and the interwebs, the graviton will gave us a new age of gravity drives xD" except we were using circuitry and voltages in applications long before we knew the electron even existed. The reverse actually happened; the development of the thoery was driven by all the practical applications after the fact. Understanding the graviton better might not lead to applications at all, we can't know for sure either way.

That is not to say inventions never come directly from theory. A great recent example is the application of quantum dots which were finally used in a flatscreen. Another great example is Kevlar which was developed and predicted using the theory of polymer material science before experimentation even began. However, you're probably not going to see IUT inspire an invention soon if ever.

>>7851746
Everything in this post is wrong. I am normally a patient guy and I want to explain everything that is wrong with your post, but I don't even know where to start desu. I'm not trying to be a dick, but you shouldn't ask advanced questions if you have never studied the basics.

>>7851783
I realize that's stupidly inaccurate on level so many levels, some of which I comprehend and others I don't. Realistically shouldn't have posted it but you raise a good point. Science fiction has to at least get the science part right for it to to be anything other than infuriating. post deleted

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>>7849505
I'm still waiting for the event horizon telescope to take a pic of the horizon of dat ass in front of me.