As long as the government keeps pleading "STEM and skills shortages" , virtually every field of work will be swamped by applications.
Considering that Bernie Sanders wants to make "education free for all", thats exactly whats going to happen, but worse. I won't be surprised if employers soon start requiring a Masters degree just for a cleaner's position.
>>7847828 Very few; our social infrastructure was never designed to have EVERYONE go into academic fields. Look around a cups and you'll see like 80% of the people there don't actually have any interest in what they're learning.
We need to change the high school system in the US, let people who're never going to excel at classical schooling learn a trade instead. That way you cut off the college disaster from even happening.
>>7847951 No the guy you were responding to but you can't inflate job sector or job requirements without a demand and expect growth. To inflate things as you suggest, you must do one of two things 1) by widening the job sectors, you water down degrees. You can't specialize a CS degree in Java, because you'd also need to prepare them for VB, C or Python if they will be a variety of sectors. Jack of all trades, master of none. 2) Because everyone has a basic level of education, your specialized degrees take lower level jobs, and higher level jobs require even more education. Your labor force is older and in more debt when it starts.ME degrees won't make your auto mechanic more efficient, and a business degree won't make the rep at Best Buy help you pick out a TV better.
If "institutes" can offer entry level certifications in 6-12 months, why can't high schools in 4 years? I would bet money that of the "80% not in stem", most are in the service field (foremen, technicians, analysts etc). These people still make good money, there is no shame in it.
>>7847951 Artificially implanting jobs is exactly as harmful as artificially inflating currency. A lot of current economic problems in the US come from certain people being grossly overpaid and not spending more proportionate to their income, effectively taking money out of the economy. Artificially creating jobs creates salaries that don't stably reflect a benefit to anyone other than the people receiving them.
>>7848068 how do you expect people to go into trades in thralls and not have the same issue? all you did was move the problem that has arisen with degree holders to certificate holders. it's just moving the source of economic strife to another sector.
>>7847828 All that we have to do save the economy and our jobs it to pass a law that makes it illegal to get a job unless you have a >3.5 GPA
Seriously, look at that number. 252000. Do you think all of them are actually skilled or pationate? Fuck no.
I would be generous and say that half of them are. So that is 126k. Add to that masters and PhDs, which are obviously competent.
Then, we ignore people with associate degrees and people who came with H1B visas because they are morons and we are left with:
126k + 80k + 20k = 226kcompetent people
That is all..Everyone (who matters) has jobs and there are still thousands of open positions that I guess we can give to the retards. I suggest we make them fight to death like gladiators for that job position.
>>7848124 There is a push for STEM degrees, and this infograph argues that for a given number of available jobs (blue ball), there are a disproportionately large number of available candidates (red balls). Basically, no jobs :(
>>7848129 But the only people who would have to vote for it are in congress. They already have their 10 million salary from donations from wall street. The fuck they are going to care if they themselves not fit the >3.5 GPA category.
Plus, it would prove to be a good move. We made university to make an intelligence divide between those who ought to get hired and those who don't. That is why any degree, even shitty ones, give you a higher pay. All we have to do now is create a second divide of who gets jobs and the best would be grades. >3.5 GPA is very reasonable.
>>7848132 STEM may be crowded, but so is everything else so study what you want.
>>7847828 That picture is grossly misleading though.
It suggests that the people not working in stem atm are just sitting there waiting in line for a shot at a stem job. A lot of them are probably successful businessmen or work in some other sector making good money. Not saying that the stem grad that graduated 2 years ago and is having to work at walmart doesn't exist but it's nowhere near the majority of the number in that pic
>>7848098 I said no such thing. I'm not the trades guy. However what you can't seem to understand is that people can't just be given a job in whatever they want, certified or not. There needs to be a need for the given job to weigh against the money being taken out of the economy to pay for it. In the case of STEM, the people in charge of hiring are so intermingled with the people responsible for the value of money that they would never hire in excess for fear of destabilizing the economy further than it's already been. How much is it really worth to have another research assistant around? Is it really worth the cost of having 780,000 doctors in the US? How about paying defense secretaries billions of dollars a year?
>>7848161 The problem isn't the degree, it's the associated experience. Two years out, no one cares what your GPA was and potentially what your degree was in, only that you have experience doing what they need you to do.
The problem is there are too many people. Most jobs are essentially makework projects that aren't necessary. The entire service industry is a meme designed to prevent the implementation of socialism and its still failing.
The only solution is mass reduction in population or government provided basic income.
Would anyone here be interested in starting a guild where outside of our day jobs we have a chance to utilize our skills for non commercial projects? I feel that even if getting a stem job is a pipe dream now I still want to put what I've learned to some use, even if I'm not getting paid for it.
>>7848184 >It's a lie that's perpetuated by corporations looking to flood the market and drive down wages. I've been saying this for years, and people just told me I was making excuses for my shit GPA .
No one should ever trust any statistic on the internet that doesn't cite sources for data, or doesn't explain how the data was handled. It's so ridiculously easy to make a statistic say what you want it to say.
Just to be clear: I don't trust the infographic you posted.
>>7848194 People who call repairmen should never criticize the repair because... People who call the cops should never criticize law enforcement because... People who don't cook should never criticize the chef because...
This is what you sound like. The performance is irrelevant if the metric is skewed.
>>7848210 Say what you want but it is true. It just makes him look bitter about his low performance and wants to shift the blame.
It is like when liberal arts students and graduates rally for free university, lower cost of university, higher paying jobs for everyone, and higher minimum wage.
They just look bitter that they took a shit degree that qualifies them only for Mc Donald's and now want to shift the blame to the government, which OBVIOUSLY has to do something to save them from their own bad decisions.
>>7848228 >Hillary 2016 because of muh feminism >Hillary is owned by wall street >Wall street bankers buy all universities in the country >Completely turn them into business, starting by doubling tuition >See Hillary do jack shit about it
>>7848179 Exactly. People saying we need to reduce our level of education are idiots. Excesses of skilled, educated, wealthy people with nothing better to do have driven every technological revolution in history.
Nope. Growth population will continue to rise and more and more people will get degrees. There just isn't enough jobs for everyone. Low level jobs will be taken by robots in ten to twenty years, so people will try to get a higher degree just so that they can stay competitive. Thirty years from now employers will be asking for Masters and PhDs just for entry level positions in their respective field. Hell, most sciences like Chemistry and Biology need a Master's degree if they want to even get hired and do actual work in their field.
>>7848193 >Free uni would simply mean watered down syllabi and higher drop out rates. maybe that is what will happen in US because of all negroes and "diversity". However look at Germany. They have arguable the best unis and it is tution-free.
The only way I see out of this conundrum are two possible solutions: >another massive world war that kills off a couple of a million or billion people. After that we see another "baby boom" era >commercial space travel is finally possible opening up the entire solar system up for colonization which will cause large numbers of people to go off planet in search for discovery or adventure
>>7850607 >>7849775 Do many people assume that they get a job with just a BSc? A BSc degree mostly just covers the basics of the respective field, I always assumed that you need a MSc to actually be useful in any field.
>>7850576 Why are Germans so fucking full of themselves? You do realize your undergrad programmes are considered some of the worst on the planet right? That's why you had to revamp your system, but you failed. Your research ratings are ok, but your education is utter shit.
Anyway you're intetionally flooding your universities with underperforming Syrians and other foreign studetns at the moment.
>>7850629 >A BSc degree mostly just covers the basics of the respective field Maybe in your shitty country. A bachelors actually means something at good universities. You can work with a bachelors in all non-retarded countries who didn't water down their degrees.
>>7850639 But according to >>7850607 The current situation in Europe is, that a BSc is not enough for a decent job. So, it seems that it's not just my country. And my opinion is, that with a BSc in Physics/Math/other stem, you actually are not prepared to be useful at all. Depends on the job you want to do though, of course you can become a code monkey with a BSc.
Medicine is secure job everywhere in the world. The top payed specialities (with the exception of "let me put you to sleep and end my day" guy) are tough as fuck and demand a lot of mind preparation and vocation.
>>7851335 We have great med education in Argentina (yes, the meme shithole "white" country) and you have to pass a relatively hard exam to enter; pass the exam and you are good to go. Is it really hard in US? I have a couple friends that went to study at the US and ever since then I never heard anything else from them
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