>>7802448 That has more to do with the fact that the general public doesn't know Canada or anything about it. Ask the average American about Canadian universities, all you'll hear from them is McGill. They won't even say UBC or U of T.
>>7802434 >the school you go to doesnt correspond to the respectability and experience of the faculty >the school you go to doesnt hold any weight with employers >the school you go to doesnt correspond to the research experiences you may be afforded >the school you go to doesn't hold weight with national labs who do on campus recruitment at certain unis and not others community college kid detected. it does matter. I took a circuit analysis class thats required for my major at my uni, and took it again (i had 8 classes that semester, neglected that course and got a C+) at a local CC over the summer, and we not only took over half of the summer semester to get to material covered within the first 2 weeks at my uni, we also completely skipped phasers and other shit that is supposed to be required. needless to say I got an A. even the homework was piss easy comparatively.
and I didn't say it didn't matter, it just matters less than people think it does
There are literal retards on here that think that a grad from UCB with a 3.4 will beat out some kid from some shitty CSU with a 3.8, and the same internships, and then reality hits them when they apply to jobs and realize that they should have tried a little harder
>>7803122 if your gpa isnt below 3 and youve got internships, you should be fine with any job from a known school, at least for engineers. hell i got a call from LLNL recently about a research position and I dont even have my gpa on my resume
>>7803237 Anyone who knows what a cal state is should know about fucking CalTech. Unless they never went to school and weren't alive when the aerospace industry basically grew out of southern California and places like Pasadena. Shit man... JPL.
Cal states are the fucking worst. Source: my life.
>>7803738 >Anyone who knows what a cal state is should know about fucking CalTech. You'd think so but even among people that know Caltech by name, many/most aren't really aware of its academic/research standing, its extremely small size relative to other "elite" universities and the rigor of its undergraduate program.
Also, not to be pedantic, but the "t" in Caltech is never capitalized.
>>7803237 >It has no where close to the name recognition/prestige that MIT/Cal/Stanford or even lesser known places like CMU have among the general public. Quite true desu. But also it's a pure hardcore science school. Some students that are future researchers might think more fondly of it than MIT for that reason, but MIT still has a business school, humanities, etc. Dem dumb kids gotta be able to see themselves there to glorify it.
>>7803880 >Every math researcher knows blah blah blah That's the point, no one else besides people who look into departments thinks it's prestigious. It's like going to study math there, versus somewhere like Dartmouth for math. Someone on the street is going to think the Dartmouth guy is more capable.
>>7803237 I don't know if I agree. In my mind it's got the mystic of a shool that is MIT light. I mean in a film if they want to show a character is smart they say "he went to MIT, top of his class". In the hunt for red October the solar guy went to Cal Tech and was the genius there. Idk do people think cultural references are a valid proxy for public opinion?
>>7804276 Why not do EE/CE then? Literally a cheerleader from my HS went into that program, she only had like 80 in grade 12 CS, although my school is quite acadically rigorous, teaching shit like O notation
>>7804501 Tbf for its level it doesn't make the list of HYPSM
You could say the same for Berkeley but Berkeley is public and has that "bottom tier" of their 90% California student body that still brings them down. It's more prestigious for its grad, meanwhile Caltech ugrad is rigorous with no exceptions.
>UIUC >underrated Are you fucking with me right now? This entire fucking town revolves around it, anyone who's anyone in Illinois went to it, and it has one of THE BEST computer science programs in the fucking world. Very competitive, a shit ton of competition for placement, and above all, priority in just about any position of employment in this state.
>>7804549 Berkeley honestly has such a small difference between the average in state student vs the average out of state student that this argument makes no sense. They also don't decrease the rigor of classes just to accommodate less qualified students.
>>7804979 Ivy Leagues are welcome, except that Harvard and Princeton are obviously meme schools, and Yale is well-known but not for science. I would personally say that Cornell is underrated, as it's seen as a "lower-tier Ivy" but is top 10 in physics, and has the best engineering program of the conference. The other schools don't really stand out enough to be "underrated" for STEM desu.
>>7805015 Random people don't know desu, I guess capitalizing the "T" seems more correct. I wouldn't have guessed until I explored their website a bit.
>>7805050 UA does have a great engineering program, but UAH has massive ties with NASA and a running ton of aerospace and military developers that are located in the Huntsville area. I mean hell, it's the least thought of of the UA system...even UAB gets higher billing.
I went to Berkeley and have mixed feelings about it's overall perception. Sometimes I feel its reputation is actually vastly overrated and the average Cal diploma's prestige is essentially being subsidized by a really small part of the campus community, namely the STEM departments.
It's STEM programs are great. Highly ranked departments, great research faculty, high caliber students and rigorous academics. Of course, the vast majority of Cal students aren't studying STEM, they're doing some bullshit psychology/sociology/feminist dance therapy major.
Getting into Cal shouldn't be all that difficult if you come from a middle class or higher, stable family and went to a reasonably good HS. And this is exactly were most Cal students come from. It's even easier if you go the CC transfer route.
Even at comparably non "elite" schools, the top students are going to be pretty damn good. This is why in some ways I think the best judge of a school overall is by its bottom tier students, not top tier. The bottom tier at Cal is abysmal. These are the athletic scholarship students primarily in the basketball/football programs, some of whom can't read beyond a low HS level, if that. Even without the "student" athletes, the lower tier at Cal is nothing special. Again, it isn't all that difficult to get straight A's and good SAT scores in HS. At a large school like Cal, you probably have several hundred or thousand students that many of us would say have no business being there. I doubt there is even a single student at Caltech that isn't at least slightly above average intelligence.
This is what most impresses me about a place like Caltech. Sure, not every Caltech student is a genius or is going to have a successful academic career, but even their lowest tier of students are pretty damn impressive.
In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if 80-90% of non-STEM Cal students would fail out of Caltech within the first quarter. Of course, they'd fail out of Cal's STEM courses within the first quarter too, but somehow I doubt most Caltech students would have much trouble with the workload from the Asian Studies program at Cal, or even one of the STEM majors.
>>7805091 >Seeing as America leads in science and industry leads what exactly? Because all I see is european and korean technologies being used while apple is still trying to stick sub-par watches on everyone's wrists.
>>7805056 So true, my fellow German. The rankings suck, because they don't keep our different academic system in mind. The top research in Germany is concentrated (huehuehue) in research centers which are independent from the universities. Therefore, the publications and citations are not registered for the universities. Fucking rankings, dude
>>7805081 I'm >>7804543, that's exactly what I'm saying. Berkeley's perception is mainly based on its reputation in STEM, especially grad school. Also its Nobel Prize collecting faculty and elements on the periodic table definitely don't hurt.
Public schools (normally) always have a larger amount of seats to fill, and so will always be less selective than privates, especially small ones like Caltech.
>Getting into Cal shouldn't be all that difficult if you come from a middle class or higher, stable family and went to a reasonably good HS. And this is exactly were most Cal students come from. It's even easier if you go the CC transfer route Assuming in-state, I'm sure that's true. I would think the 10% that are OOS/int'l and admitted would be above average, though. Or perhaps really wealthy (last time I checked Berkeley doesn't give a shit about aid for non-state residents).
>It's STEM programs are great. Highly ranked departments, great research faculty, high caliber students and rigorous academics. Of course, the vast majority of Cal students aren't studying STEM, they're doing some bullshit psychology/sociology/feminist dance therapy major I have to say I'm slightly jelly, I go to Michigan and it's flipped here. Even though basically everything is in the top 25, it's the humanities stuff that's ranked #1-5 in the US rather than STEM.
Overall, I think the US ranking system really sucks. Its primarily based on a combination of department strength (which is fine) but also name recognition and popularity. There are probably more Cal students enrolled right now than living Caltech alumni.
I grew up and still live in CA so I meet tons of Cal grads who are completely unremarkable. My best friend from HS went to Caltech and the overall student body seems so much more impressive.
It really sucks for the small schools like IIT, RIT, RPI, Harvey Mudd. I think all of those places are really underrated and the average graduate is probably smarter and more accomplished than at the larger schools like Cal or even the Ivies. I've met some absolute retards from Harvard/Yale.
>Assuming in-state, I'm sure that's true. Sorry, I should have specified in-state. Out of state is a much higher caliber of students for sure.
>>7805127 >I go to Michigan The one time I visited Ann Arbor I really loved it. That to me is the perfect college atmosphere, much better than Cal/UCLA. There's really something to be said about the whole college town vibe, for me at least.
I supposed the grass is always greener on the other side.
>>7805255 No. RWTH and the KIT are better universities than TUM when it comes to engineering. Heidelberg is better when it comes to science. In addition to that, the mentioned universities have major external research facilities which are independent from the university and kinda "steal" citations and publications from the universities. So they're even better compared to TUM.
>>7805266 >Why would you want to study at TUM? I wouldn't I just said it was best because I saw it in the ranking somewhere...oh look>>7805317 this anon posted it. I would far prefer Heidelberg, of possibly Bonn since I've read that it's the best uni for math in Germany.
>>7805317 Did you even read what I fucking wrote?! TUM has less external research institutions which concentrate the top researchers of the city while being independent from the university despite some lectures. The publications and citations of these institutions aren't registered for the universities in those rankings.
Therefore: TUM (less external research institutions) -> more publications and citations for the university
RWTH, KIT, Heidelberg, Tübingen (more external research institutions) -> less publications and citations for the university
These rankings doesn't take account of this special system in the German academic system and therefore, universities with a more central organisation perform better in these ranking. It's a broken instrument for the comparison of German universities.
>>7805335 But can you quantify how much higher RWTH, KIT, Heidelberg, etc would be accounting for their external research institutions? And number of research papers is only part of what those rankings take into account. I still think TUM wouldn't be outside top 3 - my professors speak highly of it. But since I'm not a German, I want to hear your opinion as one.
>>7805345 It is a top university in Germany for sure, but not the best. The excellence of a German university depends heavily on the subject you're studying.
Physics - Heidelberg Biology/Life Sciences - Freiburg and Heidelberg Chemistry - TUM Mathematics - Bonn Engineering - RWTH and KIT... and TUM Medicine - Heidelberg, Berlin and Tübingen Humanities and Neuroscience - Tübingen Economics - Mannheim, Bonn Social sciences - Mannheim Business - Mannheim, FFSM, WHU
>>7805365 But, its like that everywhere, though. In America for example, MIT is ranked as best in engineering and Harvard in Math, yet MIT is at the first place. in overall rankings and Harvard at the second. There are many things that influence these ratings, such as: academic reputation, employer reputation, citations per faculty, etc.
>>7805409 MIT is better at natural sciences, for example, and Harvard is better at Life sciences and medicine.
Keep in mind though that this isn't exact science though. It all depends on what ranking you look at, and what ranking methods they use. The differences are usually marginal, but they are there none the less.
>>7805409 Your "best" are actually usually shit for learning. They're amazing if you're there as a grad student doing research, or if you already know a fuckton about the subject and can dive into assisting with research, but really and truly, you don't want to be at a place like MIT as an undergrad trying to learn something like Calc III.
>>7805456 Of course you do. In MIT you actually learn, while at lower universities you plug 'n chug or memorize stuff without understanding it. If MIT is too hard for you and you can't pass the calculus classes, then it isn't for you. But for the top students, being at such a top university is simply the best option if you can afford the (worthy) difficulty.
>They're amazing if [...] you already know a fuckton about the subject [...] but really and truly, you don't want to be at a place like MIT as an undergrad trying to learn something like Calc III.
Then tell me how the fuck you are going to "know a fuckton" about "Calc III" if you went to a shitty school with an easy class? To actually "know a fuckton" about it, there's no better place to be than at a top university.
>>7805501 Don't bother, he thinks trying to follow the lectures of a Hindu TA visualizes functions as colors because that's how it makes sense to him as imparting a level of understanding that can't happen at any place outside of the top Five rated institutions. God forbid you learn from someone who can actually teach.
>>7805501 There is still a tremendous amount of leeway in how deeply the material is covered, the pace at which it is taught, and the scale on which you are graded.
That doesn't automatically mean that the highest ranked schools are always best but its asinine to argue that there is no difference in the material that's covered.
>>7805513 Even more important than those things which you listed are your peers. Arguably, one of the biggest advantages the top schools enjoy is the quality of the students.
Try taking Calc 3 at a CC vs at MIT. Even if the same book is used and both are taught by similarly good teachers, the course will have incredibly variance just b/c the students are of such different abilities.
>>7805528 You have to use specific books in the US? In Germany, the professors says: "That's the topic of the module, these are my recommended books but buy whatever you want, I don't fucking care. Fuck you"
>>7805513 >At top universities you will have a great professor whom you might see once a week because he's too busy doing research/continuing to secure grant money to be bothered with your entry level ass. TFTFY
>>7805541 >There is still a tremendous amount of leeway in how deeply the material is covered, the pace at which it is taught
yeah, they still separate calc into three courses the same as every other school in the US, i'm pretty confident that the syllabus detailing the course topics at MIT is similar if not identical to any other institution.
the grade curve and the competition is more intense for sure, but the actual material is the same. it has to be, because believe it or not, MIT takes transfer students.
once again, its standardized. its all standardized.
>>7805056 German here, is there one that is universally thought to be shit? Always wondered about that as our universities seem to be quite excellent across the board, with only a handful of standout ones.
>>7805579 University of Mannheim. It's Germany's leading public research university when it comes to economic and social sciences and the most prestigious business school. Not some kind of hillbilly university where the professors don't care because you'll end up as a NEET anyway.
>>7805590 That's true. I guess a reason for this is the fact that the tradition of private universities isn't present in Germany and the state wants education to be equally good throughout Germany even though they seem to have changed their mind (excellence initiative).
>>7805616 >I guess a reason for this is the fact that the tradition of private universities isn't present in Germany and the state wants education to be equally good throughout Germany even though they seem to have changed their mind (excellence initiative). From what I think I remember about the German education system is that y'all also don't pretend that everyone should go to a 4 year university.
>>7805647 True as well. Our dual education system is actually pretty good. However, nowadays we start to abandon the old Prussian education system where you'll be seperated at the age of 10 in three different schools depending on your grades. Only the best one of these (grammar school) will eventually lead to a qualification for university. Nonetheless, you can continue your education after finishing one of the other school types and get your university qualification.
But as I said, nowadays it's a bit different. You have more and more schools without this kind of seperation. You still have to get good grades to get into the higher classes and get your university qualification, but the students are taught together regardless of whether the intellectual level is homogenous or not. Most of the time, it's easier to get good grades in these schools than it is in grammar schools but even grammar schools aren't as elitist as they were a few decades ago.
All of that lead to an heavy increase in college freshmen particularly since the tuition fees were abolished. I really hope that our dual education system won't become obsolete due to these reforms
>>7805676 Well, I'm a little biased against Austrian universities, because a LOT of German students attend them if they can't get into German universities due to the high requirements in some cases (especially medicine, veterinary medicine, dentistry and psychology).
Therefore, I always think about them as second-class plan B institutions if you're somehow not able to get into a German university.
>>7805673 >All of that lead to an heavy increase in college freshmen particularly since the tuition fees were abolished. I really hope that our dual education system won't become obsolete due to these reforms I hope so for y'all's sake as well.
In the US the bachelor's degree is what the high school diploma was 20-30 years ago. A bach is required for some of the most retarded things now (go to any state job listing's website and you'll see some of the more egregious examples of this) all while we have basically no skilled tradesmen these days.
>>7805692 There's a similar thing already established in Germany.
20-30 years ago, you only had to have a secondary school leaving certificate (after 10 years of school) to get apprentice places at banks and insurance companies. Nowadays, it's almost impossible to get one without an A-level certificate (after 12-13 of school with at least the last 3 years attending grammar school).
As you can imagine, the "Hauptschule" (the worst school type in the old Prussiand three-path-system) is pretty much dead and no parents would ever think about sending their kids there, because for most blue collar jobs you need the secondary school leaving certificate after 10 years instead of the "Hauptschulzeugnis" after 8-9 years. That's one of the reasons why they merged the school types together in most federal states... except Bavaria; it's the German Texas with a lot of conservative christians who love the way it's been done in the good ol' days kek
>>7805717 Sounds like y'all aren't as bad as here yet.
Check this out: https://jobs.ca.gov/JOBSGEN/3PB31.PDF (Possession of a Master's Degree in Public, Personnel, or Business Administration or related field may be substituted for one year of the required experience. Possession of a Master's Degree in Hospital Administration with a one-year internship in a hospital or its equivalent may be substituted for the required experience.) and Education: Equivalent to graduation from college. (Additional qualifying experience may be substituted for four years of the required education on a year-for-year basis. Any work experience gained in State service may be used to meet this education requirement on a year-foryear basis.)
This is for an Administrative Assistant I position.
>>7805741 It's a job in public administration, right? That's a nice thing here. Apply for one of these after graduation (either directly after grammar school or after getting your bachelor's, master's or PhD degree) or stay the fuck away from it. Pretty low requirements here.
On the other hand, our public servants (besides attorneys and judges) don't receive a lot of appreciation, probably due to the low competition
The requirements for this job offer are pretty ridiculous though. Is the job market this tough in the US?
>>7805764 The compensation/benefits for certain state/municipal level jobs can be really good, especially here in CA. It tends to be difficult to fire people due to the power of public service employee unions and a position like that requires absolutely no real skills.
The only way to ensure that position won't be staffed by a complete and utter retard is by having onerous educational requirements that have nothing to do with performing the actual job. Despite that, it will still probably be staffed by a retard, but there is at least a small chance it won't.
>>7805779 The compensation and benefits for public servants in Germany are also very good (especially when it comes to taxes, health insurance and pension). But you only get the public servant status if you're pretty young. Otherwise you will be a normal employee and without the public servant status you're payment will be much worse and in addition to that, you won't enjoy the benefits of a public servant. That's why you need to apply directly after graduation.
I really have to go to sleep now, it's 3:20 am here
>>7805859 It mentiones CalTech like every episode. They dont show the real campus, but they pretend they are at the university, sometimes in the mess sometimes in the lab doing experiments. Given the fact that it's the most watched sitcom these days. CalTech has become a house hold name
>>7805855 >Yale >Better than Berkeley/UMich/Caltech/MIT/Stanford in STEM >>7805975 W-working in the field you get a degree in is for chumps guys... Everyone knows that the smart people are money grubbing assholes....
>>7806004 Why even bother going to Yale if you're just going to be working alongside graduates of Ohio State and DeVry for only $70k starting?
What a waste of an Ivy league education. Meanwhile, the guys on your floor are now senators and CEOs, but you just got promoted to senior engineer. That's 5 more vacation days and a 2% raise. Pat yourself on the back, wagecuck.
Different universities are good for different disciplines. The Ivy League are shit for Computer Science, other than Cornell. They all have their token genius complexity theorist, but none of them have a solid CS program. MIT, CMU, Stanford, Berkeley, UWash, UIUC, GaTech trumped them early on and they never caught up. They didn't take CS seriously enough until it was too late.
I just graduated from UIUC with a BS in chemistry. My gpa is shit and I'm too autistic to get a job. I'm delivering pizzas to pay back my loans at the pizza place across the street from the chemistry buildings I had classes in. Apparently the professor whose lab I briefly worked in stops by for lunch on occasion. If he saw me I might kill myself out of embarrassment. Being a dumb pleb that fell for the college meme sucks, man.
>>7806151 Yeah, ECE. You may have an idea who I am.
Anyway, absolutely it helped. I didn't apply to many UG programs, nothing ranked beyond UIUC, but I don't think I'd have gotten in anywhere better. The quality of the EE department educationally is outstanding, the research is great if you look for a GOOD adviser who will place heavy responsibility on you, and if you put in the effort you can really distinguish yourself through departmental awards and performance like bronze tablet.
If you get in, and don't have any better options (i.e. A school in CA or MA) then it's Very possible to come out with awesome credentials. I also had a friend from there who went to ETH
>>7806502 I know that feel. Here all engineers are aiming to enter Goldman Sachs or similar companies. It appears the most prestigious jobs and higher salaries are in that field, even though it has little to do with engineering.
>>7805832 I'd say German universities are better than the majority of American colleges and universities, but worse than the US-American elite schools (Yale, Harvard, MIT, UCLA, UCB, Stanford,...). But it's for free and that's pretty nice.
For the academic level of the American elite schools you have to go to research associations like the Max-Planck-institutes, Helmholtz-Association and Leibnitz-Association and other prestigous research centers.
>>7805832 The ranking is based on research conducted by faculty, nt education. Assuming Wisconsin is like the better publics, they should offer multiple types of math. My school has babby easy freshman Calculus for Bio majors on one end and intense freshman Calculus with Spivak/Apostle on the other end, with Calculus for Engineers, Honors Calculus, etc. all in between. Students can choose whatever they want.
>>7804279 This is the best assertion I've seen so far I think. Texas and Wisconsin-Maddison are top tier excellent schools and most people aren't aware. I know both are top ten for chemical engineering Ph.D.'s.
>essentially founded by Texas Instruments >excels in engineering (more specifically electrical, computer and bio), computer science, neuroscience, and supposedly the Arts and Technology program is good >cybersecurity research recognized by the NSA >nanotechnology >entrance requirements progressively getting harder The only thing that I dislike about my school is all the kids who major in the shit that UTD isn't known for complaining about how they didn't get accepted to UT Austin
>>7804472 >Notice how thet are all public schools. I think public schools are just generally underrated.
Completely agree. Outside of a few (Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVa), I think there are a ton of other great schools that don't get enough recognition.
>>7805081 >This is why in some ways I think the best judge of a school overall is by its bottom tier students, not top tier.
I agree with many of your points. But, I can't say that I agree with this. This comes back to the notion that college "is what you make of it". In other words, it's not where you go, but what you do when you're there.
Berkeley has, arguably, the best programs in the United States, if not the planet, in chemistry, physics, and several engineering disciplines (EECS, for one). So, if you're an undergrad at Berkeley, despite being at a school of 25k+ undergrads, you're, essentially, confined to the several hundred or so undergrads, grad students, faculty, post-docs, etc. in your field. You're exposed to some of the leading researchers in the world. You can conduct research in prominent labs, under renown faculty, in famed departments.
Yeah I graduated from the program. It's pretty well ranked and has good faculty/connections. It's one of the largest research institutions on the east coast so it's easy to get involved as an undergrad.
>>7811104 I guess I'm just salty because Berkeley is like top 5 in most STEM subfields while we're top 10-15ish. At least for physics anyway. I'm not complaining tho.
2bh as someone doing physics and math I hate how much LSA emphasizes their dumb humanities while the CoE gets all the "nerdy science" news and recognition. Idk if it's that way at every school but the CoE environment makes me jelly.
>Study microbiology at Michigan State >Proud of my school but never thought much of it as a science school >Visit and tour the cyclotron there >Mind blown, consider switching majors for like a week >My face when top nuclear physics program in the country and didn't even know it
anyone else /sparty/ here? i had me a milkshake from MSU dairy yesterday
>>7804413 Because while the CS program is non-meme (in most scenarios, there are three or four completely worthless courses which are mandatory), the Math program is also very nice. As is the Stats program. Going into Engineering essentially rules out capitalizing on both of the latter two programs.
>>7804761 most people go there if they dont go to community college here. its a huge school.
its very very prestigious for engineering. I prefer the city and wasnt in engineering so i didnt go. not smart or rich enough to get into northwestern or Chicago though. I go to Loyola which I also think is a highly underrated school. I know many incredibly intelligent, successful people who went here. The only caveat is we are a huge premed school. unbelievably so. its a safe bet to say 50% of the student body has plans of med school.
we also have a very good math department apparently (im taking a couple courses from a guy who studied at MIT) and an impressive chemistry department with at least 1 millionaire recently named emeritus.
>>7806555 >Sales engineering? Sales Engineering is when you need someone who can sell your companies product, but also needs an engineering background so he can talk with other engineers/customers and assess their industrial/technical requirements.
they are hiring you for your salesmanship and charisma, the engineering degree part is a check to make sure you aren't some average jack off in terms of technical skill.
most of the sales engineers you see have a degree in industrial engineering with like an econ or business minor/double major.
its alot of social interaction and office politics, which is something most engineers in general avoid, not to mention there aren't alot of charismatic engineers out there so the demand is always high.
i personally couldn't do it because i hate people, but i have a friend from college who does it and he spends most of his time doing "corporate hospitality" and traveling.
>>7805365 Guess I fucked up going to WWU Münster for Chemistry BSc. I didn't really know where to go and considered TU Clausthal as well. Just heard that it were fairly renowned Unis in that field, but latter is supposedly in the middle of nowhere and with a ridiculously high amount of exchange / foreign students.
Samefag >>7814314 I ask because I didn't realise that Münster also happens to be so oriented towards students with a lot of bars and discotheques. Can't say I care about either and it is not like you have much from that apart from at the beginning of a semester. And I can't say it is crappy or good compared to others, apart from that there are too many students in my opinion.
>>7805546 >>7805547 We even had a professor in analytical chemistry who recommended us not to buy any for undergraduates for his course, as all of them were lacking in at least one department. Can't say there was any book I absolutely needed, tho it surely helped to read two or three chapters in some courses. >>7805564 The most expensive recommended book I remember was 100 € (Hollemann-Wieberg Anorganic Chemistry) and then there are some like Clayden Greeves Organic Chemistry (90 €) which, judging by the /ogen/ threads here is considered rather great for the whole undergraduate studies and beyond. But yeah, I didn't buy any of them, though it is a pain to borrow then from the library when you need them).
>>7806488 One of our profs (Analytical Chemistry, again) mentioned that nobel prizes tend to be given away with political interests in mind. He pointed out one example about a very helpful method which was discovered by someone, then later a research group wrote a few papers on it, and only the latter received the nobel prize. Don't remember which role politics played in here any more.
Also another professor participated in a specialist group discussion with Merkel considering the future of the energy industry. He spoke about it like he tried not to say something negative, especially
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