Convincing my 'big pharma' conspiracy believing sister to vaccinate her children. Plz halp
>the body can fight viruses naturally
Just drop her. Let her see her kid slowly die. But you know, she could be really lucky and never have that happen.
If you still care about her then just tell her to read about the immune system and then to read on what exactly do viruses do completely go through the immune system or go so fast that the immune system never really catches up, followed with the effects all of that shit will then have on her baby.
If after all of that she is still convinced the body can just handle it then you can confirm that she has no soul and just walk away. At this point, you'd be better off by kidnapping her child and sending it over to ISIS. They'd take better care of him anyways.
Explain to her that polio cases actually increased because of sanitation. You see, in early times, people were constantly exposed to polio, so a mother would be constantly raising antibodies against it which are transmitted to the baby in her breast milk. That way the baby would have help to deal with infection while he/she developed immunological memory during his or her first exposure, which would usually be during infancy because polio was more common. After sanitation improved, polio became more rare, so children would be exposed to it during childhood instead of early infancy. In this scenario, the child has no maternal breastmilk IGA antibodies and suffers a more severe infection.
But lots of fully vaccinated minds in this thread, totally immune to reality. They will be on drugs for the rest of their lives.
1. Some viruses(most viruses perhaps) continuously mutate so that the antibodies are no longer effective against the new strains of viruses. That requires development of new vaccines all the time.
2. Some vaccines against some diseases don't seem to be very effective. An example would be tuberculosis.
3. Some diseases are so harmless that vaccination is unnecessary(chicken pox for example).
I'm sure there are more reasons.
Why can't we already build nanomachines that trace the chemical signals of these viruses and rip their shit apart ? That would truly be the ultimate weapon against any disease.
Another related question. In the case of hypothetically having these nano-machines, how can we ensure that our auto-immune system won't try to fight them due to seeing them as intruders ?
They would have to be build by a material that our immune system cannot attack(like a metal). Or we could coat them with proteins that we have naturally in the body(like collagen), thus they will not recognize the robots as intruders(interestingly, a strategy used by many amebic parasites)
oh. why don't our immune system attack metal ? would it work if you just build it out of steel ? And can't you use something like carbon-fiber that is quite strong but lighter and a bit flexible ?
Our immune system is just designed to attack proteins, carbohydrates, etc, that occur in natural infectious agents. There has never been a reason to evolve an immune response to metals etc because they don't occur in bacteria and viruses. Carbon-fiber would probably work just as well.
Thats very nice to hear :^) I asked that coz I remember people getting immuno-suppressors after getting piercings and such to stop the body from attacking the foreign object that penetrated the body.
These don't work. you don't convince an anti-vaxer with reason, if they were susceptible to that they would vaccinate. A study I don't feel like citing actually proved the superior method to convincing them is by playing on their emotions and heartstrings, show them videos of babies dying of preventable illnesses like pertussis because they weren't vaccinated. In fact, using science and big words they can't understand makes them LESS likely to vaccinate.
I doubt anyone can give you a magic pill to convince your relative, but the simplest argument to make might be as such:
"If vaccines are a a conspiracy then you'll waste money/maybe give your children autism/whatever she believes.
If vaccines are not a conspiracy then then there is a good chance for her children to get diseases which can either kill or cirpple them for life."
It's like playing Russian roulette for a dollar. Even if the chamber wasn't loaded, all I've won is a dollar and at the risk of 1/6 chance of killing myself.
They have a belief which is not based on facts or repeated independent research. You could cite the whole world, they would not listen. Muh autism... and so on. Really, what can convince them is a deadly outbreak or something that makes their kids cripples.
There is this new virus that is spreading in South America and it might has the ability to deform the skulls of fetuses so they'll be born as retards.
If this turns out to be true imagine the pain of all anti-vaccine future mothers.
No. I've got a mentally ill and paranoid mother - logic never works. You'll be able to talk to them until you're blue in the face and the only thing it'll do is make them aggrivated (which does nothing but reaffirm their beliefs)
You can't win with logic, anon. You need to win with emotion.
Ask her if her children's lives mean that little to her. That she'd rather let there be a chance they could die or be disfigured horribly than let there be a .05% of them having autism. Ask her if she really thinks her children are better off dead than with a mental illness.
You've gotta really drive the shame in, hard as possible. She cares more about her kid's potential autism than their lives. Make her feel disgusting about it. What she's doing is inhuman.
It'll make her think about the actual human cost of not vaccinating her children. We're so far divested from death in our first world lives that it's probably an abstract concept for her, that her children could potentially die from her decisions. You need to drive it home and shame her in action.
If humans were able to survive before with worse and more extreme diseases without vaccines, her children can handle a fucking flu virus. I've never been vaccinated for flu in my life and did I ever catch it during this so-called "flu season"? No.