>he STILL believes death is the end

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>>35637312
>Since the death-state wasn't infinite
>Thinking infinity is only infinity if time is going forward

>>35637312
But you weren't in a "death state". There is no death state. You just don't exist.
You assume existence in a state of non-existence. Maybe you just can't grasp the concept.

There aren't chairs in the aether just waiting to be built.

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>>35637312
>"What actually happens"
gonna need a citation on that one

>>35637435
You still existbecause the matter and energy of your body exists. It just isn'tntogether any more. You basically turn into assembly code

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I'm not so sure anon. Have you ever died? Do you have any evidence to back this proposal at all?

I'm not trying to debunk your theory at all, but you have to show us something.

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>>35637391
To make this point more clear: I'm saying the death-state doesn't end at birth, it begins at birth and moves back(infinite).

>>35637476
You know all those animals that died, millions of years ago? And their corpses got compacted down, deep in the earth and turned into oil. Then that oil got processed and made into plastic. Then that plastic got shaped into the casing for your keyboard.

That animal will never live again.

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>>35637312

the delusional illustrations of a madman

>>35637312
I don't *know* if it is or not, I just *hope* it's the end.

>>35637312
>if i don't exist then no one can exist
aren't you special?

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>>35637312

its an op develops an actual delusional depressive personality disorder episode

such as episodes

as

>anon creates charts of thought patterns
>anon spaces out for periods of time
>anon gets confused and easily upset so he screams at people for not understanding

>he doesn't realize he's doomed to repeat his existance again and again after death

This is just wrong. Life is placed in an interval which is (time of birth, time of death). Before life is the interval )negative infinity, birth) and after life comes (death, infinity(. Time is not stopped by your birth or death, it merely becomes perceivable to the human consciousness, which is made of matter and energy and can be transformed into other things, such as heat or whatever the fuck.

>>35637312
Hey, except for this: the amount of time before you were born wasn't infinite. It was a finite amount of time since the beginning of the universe.

>>35637476
Autismo confirmed.
Before I was born I was nothing. Then my parents banged, and my mom was preggo. Then, using the energy from her and things she ate/drank, I developed.

Your theory is dumb and makes no sense. Go talk to a girl instead of debating life/death to a bunch of virgins on the internet

>>35637725
>Go talk to a girl instead of thing
If everyone did this throughout history, we would still be living like fucking monkeys.

It is only when man rises up and disregards females, that humanity progresses.

>>35637580
I don't think so. This reality might happen again and again, forever, but we will not be repeating anything. You will die, then something identical to you may be born later. Despite it being identical, it will not be you repeating the process, you'll have died.

>>35637764
behind every great man is a great woman.

>>35637725
What do girls talk about?

>>35637588

Checked.

Anon is correct.

the fuck is this delusional psuedoscience

>>35637764
>2017
>Having an autistic hate for women
ok

So how many brainlets here believe there's a "soul"

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>>35637795
Like a ball and chain.

>>35637842
Don't get me wrong, most girls are retarded. It's regular stuff really. Music, work, career goals.
But once you get inside her it's worth it

>>35637312
you can have equations that are finite in one directions and infinite in the other along an axis.

it's also not a proof to say that we would't exist if death was infinite. you haven't defined what "exist" even means, but considering that you actually meaning living as the individual human bean that you are, and we don't have any evidence of humans being "pulled out of death" once in a while to continue life, then we can't argue that shit.

your taking leaps of faith on some cosmic force attaching consciousness to body. but all the important parts of consciousness we can identify already in the body, and the likelihood of your exact same genes and brain structure throughout a life more than once are meaningless in a species that's less than 300k years old

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>>35637312
I made a thing.

Orghininalio

>>35637912
it only makes him stronger; resilient

>>35637935
But it is in the act of rising above, struggling against, that makes him stronger.
If he gave up and just went and talked to women then he would be weaker.

>>35637312
spoken like a true timecuck
>duhhhhh i experience time so time must be essential to infinity adoiiiiii even though i don't experience infinity adlllllllllll duhhhhhhhh

>>35637921
you should unironically be proud of that thing you made.

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>so we experience the same life over and over.

I was supposed to post in this thread

>>35638494
Not same lives, different ones

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>>35637312
I feel pity for your madman ramblings.


For once, you're making implications that aren't valid. It is false to say that life "-existence -" would prosper again just because. The problem here is that you're starting up from the premise that life IS a cycle and that is bullshit and you're fucking retarded.

So what you are saying is that this torture is forever and not only for a lifetime.

>>35637312
"death" is not a state but a singular event of true undeniable divinity.
There is no reason to look beyond this decisive moment, because both death as idea is incomprehensible, it's immense, infinitely so. God may well be dead, but more importantly God is Death. What is truly defining God as an idea is that He is immense beyond comprehension and an entity worthy of dread even if you do firmly deny His existence.

>>35638818
You seem a little upset. Do you want a juicebox?

We end up in the same conditions as the second before we became conscious after death, and no time passes when you don't exist, so life is all there is. What's not to understand?

>>35637312
Just throwing this out there. Just a theory.

In the equation y=1/x, as x approaches infinity it nears 0. It never quite reaches 0 or goes below 0. It is not possible for it to do so.

In the same way it could be a physical impossibility that you will ever live again despite the infinite time periods. The observable universe will undergo the "big rip" and that is it.

>>35637312
Explain the dissipation of conciousness during biological death.

>>35638915
>god may be dead
Go on...

>>35638919
>We end up in the same conditions as the second before we became conscious after death
Prove that it is possible to see beyond death.
Anything you say is meaningless conjecture.

>>35638926
>The observable universe will undergo the "big rip" and that is it.
Prove it, because otherwise this is just meaningless conjecture

>>35638919
I want a juicebox, cuckold.

>>35637502
Are these the new batch of NASAs leaked Hubbles?

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>>35637312
This is another level of deny of death. The ego is an illusion and sentience isn't restricted to you, all mammals, birds, reptiles and some species of fish are sentient. The flow of experience is simply a product of the computation of the brain. Nothing magical about that and no brain = no flow of experience (sentience).

>>35639021
>deny of death
denial of death*

>>35638959
If we end up with more than non-existence after death of the physical body, then we're not dead. If we end up WITH non-existence after death of the physical body, then we end up with the exact same conditions before we were born. If there's no such thing as non-existence, then we've always been alive.

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>>35637312
>the world stops existing when I'm sleeping

Hang on for a moment and consider this.

There is no such thing as you knowing you did not exist before you were born, in the same way that there is no such thing as there being an undertandable state of non-existence before the moment of your birth.
You were "assigned" to a specific body the moment it initiated existence and you came to be able to control that body after you were put out into the world from the womb (unable to grasp what there was before).

There is no such thing as a state of nothingness we understand, as when there is "nothing" going on we stop perceiving things (hence the fact that we can not tell what happened before, after we wake up from a dreamless sleep). There was a state of existence followed by a sleep we did not acknowledge while it was going on, followed by a return to reality once we awakened.

Can we not apply the same logic to life and death and say that, because there is no way for a literal nothingness to exist, and because we can't NOT be, there is bound to be some sort of reincarnation?

>t. pseudointellectual crackpot philosopher

This is fucking stupid.
You die and that's it, nothing will ever happen again.
Be glad it is like that.

This is too hard to understand. Can someone simplify it?

>>35639258
>you were "assigned" to a specific body the moment it initiated existence
We are our body, our mind is not a separate magical thing that gets put into a flesh vessel.

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People in this thread need to read reasons and persons by Derek Parfit.

A short video about the argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS-46k0ncIs

>>35639021
So does that mean that computers are sentient as well? Where do you draw the line between a sentient blob of matter and a non-sentient one? You argue that ego is an illusion but really from the perspective of any sentient creature its ego is the only thing that's absolutely certain. I think therefore I am etc.

>>35639306

I'm >>35639258

OP basically says that
>you are born
>you can't understand time when you sleep (or are dead) =>
>there can't be an actual state of death if you can't perceive what it would mean to be dead (in the same way that you can't figure out what it's like when you sleep / what it was like before you were born)
>each death is an infinitely short, impossible moment of non existence followed by the contiuation of conciousness =>
>reincarnation

At least that is what I guess he meant

>>35639351
>So does that mean that computers are sentient as well?
Yes. Not only computers, all things that process information even a thermos and even crazier every "level" of organization in your brain, trillions of different sentient being in your head.

>>35639326

How does that work though? What makes you you? Why do you function based on that particular mind and why are you in charge of that particular body if you being you isn't somehow predetermined?

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>just as matter can't be destroyed, such is the same with consciousness

>>35639258
OP here, sounds good to me. I was just illustrating death as a "thing" to dismantle it as being something possible.

>>35639266
>nothing will ever happen again
With that logic, nothing should've happened and you shouldn't exist right now.

>>35639371
Spot on. At least someone gets it

>>35639397

Serendipity. You are just a happy accident. Your mind created by the processes in that body's brain. You mind is altered by chemicals in and damage to that brain.

>>35638959
>Anything you say is meaningless conjecture.
Isn't anything you have to say on the subject meaningless conjecture as well then? Yet here you are, arguing with such force against OP as if you know anything.

>>35637312
Are you telling me the ride seriously doesn't end?

>>35639487
No, because I'm not mindlessly assuming things to be true.
Unlike you.

>>35639477

Glad to see I somehow got it. I've been holding this belief for quite a while but I never expanded on it.
Do you think that if such a thing is plausible then we could've lived through countless existences we just can't remember? What if this is our first existence and we'll be able to recall our former lives if our conciousness somehow carries over?

>>35639477
>nothing will ever happen again
With that logic, nothing should've happened and you shouldn't exist right now

Because consciousness ends after death nothing should have existed ever? Do you have ANY IDEA how fucking retarded you sound?

HURR TIME IS INFINITE SO HUB DA BO LIFE NEVER ENDS ARENT I SMART XDDDDDDD

fucking end yourself, kid

>>35639397
>why are you in charge of that particular body
Again, you keep thinking that you are a mind in control of a body, when the reality is that we are full beings and the process of thought that happens in the brain is just another natural process of the way we function as a species, just like our stomach digests food, our brain thinks.

>>35639641
Are you then also implying that thoughts are fully deterministic and free will does not exist?

>>35640281
I suppose you are trying to imply that without the mind being extra dimensional, all thought ought to be deterministic as it is just the result of a prysical process, but that doesn't mean that at all. Would you say whether you get or not an stomach ache because you ate bad food is bound to be deterministic? of course not, so the reason why the process of thought gets a special place of consideration before the idea of determinism is because you keep thinking it's somehow separate from the body, when actually asking if thoughts are deterministic is as relevant as asking if an itch is deterministic.

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>>35638782
But I want to be the same person the next life, just want to fix my mistakes

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>>35637312
I never really thought about it this way before.
Yeah, there was nothing before and then I happened. After I did there will be nothing again. Another 'I' can happen again in that state.

Shit this is really weird to think about.

>>35639626
You're born, you die. Gone. Nothing. No "infinite concious" or any of that shit. That's all there is to it. Reality doesn't pander to your delusions.

>>35637312
you're conflating existence of the entire universe with life. They're not the same.

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>>35641274
Not the guy you are replying to, so I don't 100% agree with the infinite consciousness stuff however...

Before you were born you were in a 'dead' state essentially, you didn't exist. When you die, you re-enter that state you were in before you were born.
From the non-existent state you began to exist. I don't see why once you enter that state again, the same thing couldn't happen.
Except you won't be 'you' anymore.

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>>35637312
>>35637391
>just as matter can't be destroyed,..., such is the same with consciousness.

Consciousness IS matter, though. Just because we have perception of the matter around us doesn't mean we have some ultra-physical place in the world; we are just matter in a more complex arrangement, arbitrarily acting and perceiving based on how that matter is transformed, with enough arbitrary checks and balances in place that we don't move completely randomly. To ASSUME otherwise with no proof of concept is to abandon any "scientific" foothold you had. "We" as in the perceived self simply did not exist before we were born, so we were not "pulled out of this death-state". When we die, "we" again do not exist. Time does not perish with us, as it is not purely perceived. Time and matter are inseparably linked, and needn't be seen to exist; all currently accepted and proven physics respect this.

To say that the world exists exclusively as we are here to perceive it is beyond self-centered. We are not the center, purpose, or beginning of all existence. There was so much before us, and there will be so much after us.

>>35637884
How do you describe the uniqueness that is your consciousness? If you were cloned right now would you have a duplicitous consciousness or would the clone maintain its own consciousness?

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>>35637312
you become you again, you're born the same person and you live life like a new experience again.

WOAH

I believe this because I don't understand how someone can create the internet, microscopes, cars and shit unless they were born to do that. You understand what I'm saiyan?

>>35641859
Hasn't dualism been debunked by nearly every philosopher since the 19th century?

>thinking time is real

top zoz

>>35641829
>Consciousness IS matter, though
No, there's no hard physics to back this claim, the most that has been claimed circa 2015 is that consciousness is made up of an atom called "perceptronium" therefore rendering it "matter". This doesn't explain anything and uses circular reasoning to justify its claims."Consciousness decodes patterns of matter. Decoding is not a material process, it is pure consciousness." - Craig Weiler

I unironically believe this

oerhjgoe

>>35642468
>we do not know for certain yet, so it must be magical
Then this is "the conciousness of the gaps", you will keep claiming it's magical unless it is 100% proven to be pisycal like everything else in the universe.

i think the answer to death lies in the way you were born. as far as i know the sperm does some shit in the pussy, so i believe when you die for real your body kinda ejaculates itself onto the earth and you get a small chance to be reborn as a plant, clownfish, fish, animals or whatever you get lucky with

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>>35637312
>i know what happens when you die
No you don't , this is stupid.

>>35637312
>smokes weed once

>>35637312
This sounds like somebody couldn't figure out a math proof on a homework set and decided to write a bunch of gibberish in the hope of getting some pity points. 0/10 OP. I don't give partial credit for incoherent answers

>>35637312
I had visions of the afterlife after hitting my head on a car durring a grandmal seizure. It felt like..like years.
>have seizure
>laying on ground like a loose vibrator
>can't see anything but orange
>a black figure comes in a looms over me
>I can hear the trees in the wind but thier so loud and it sounds like they're falling all around me
>the figure wraps his fi ng ers around my neck
>he pushes me into the dirt, with every crunch into the dirt I'm thinking that I'm dying, this is the grim reaper pushing me into hell
>I break through the crust of the earth
>suddenly I'm standing in complete darkness
>im standing in shallow water, knee high
>far from me I can see my bf, standing in the water too
>I call out and he turns to me
>he smiles and says somthing but I can't hear him
>I remeber a horrible fear at whatever he had said
>I could hear the water sloshing as if others were walking by me but I couldn't see them
>wake up to him standing over me screaming