Well yeah living in the woods and dying because i ate the wrong mushroom sounds like a cool idea, thing is bud, life is not a movie, you don't develop skills to survive in the wild on your own. And while the prospect is tempting, i like the internet and my hentai to much to leave it all behind.
There is no turning back from society. Once you are borne they mark you with a birth certificate and you become government property.
I'm just wageslaving and waiting to die. Every single day i just want to die.
>>26535517 Anon I was born with a big dessire in my heart to create and touch peoples lives I know that's what I have to do and I won't get a happy ending or find peace until I achieve it So I can't leave everything behind it would be too selfish
Currently in the process of gaining knowledge and gear. I think i almost got all the gear i want to take with me, but i still have alot to learn. I will follow survival courses and practice for 2 months during summer. From that point i will evaluate if i need more time to prepare or if i can leave permanently.
Where are you going? Im going to the french alps. I cant wait. Im thinking about it all day long. It completely consumes my mind.
>>26535517 Hitchhiking is too dangerous, and places that hire transients usually pay shit money. I've considered it though, if I had a vehicle and an adequate amount of income I would probably travel the US until I mustered the balls to off myself.
>>26535517 The thing is OP something like that isn't possible today. Land is either owned privately or by the government so you'll always be trespassing. Hunting is illegal unless you have the proper license and permits. Good luck starting up your own farm from scratch.
You'll be arrested before long if you don't die within the first few days.
If you honestly think modern society today is how people are SUPPOSED to live, then you're probably already to far cucked to understand. You see, we weren't meant to wageslave are entire existence. School only exists to produce specialized wageslaves nowadays, and if you believe in the whole "Well rounded" bullshit, lemme ask you: How much does it cost per credit to be well rounded senpai?
Man was meant to venture the plains, to make a name for himself and his family, to experience life changing adventures. Then, he would settle down where he chose.
My advice is to just do what makes you happy no matter what.
>>26535940 >we were meant to be cavemen forever because its natural!
Yeah no. What sets humans apart is our ability to for a civilization. What other reason do you have for experiencing new things than impressing your future employer and coworkers? You gain nothing from it in an industrialized society.
Plus nature is survival of the fittest. Chances are if you post on /r9k/ you'll have 0 chance of survival. Your knowledge of the outside world comes from fucking discovery channel and NatGeo.
>>26535884 I already got rid of my computer and tv. The next step is my phone but i still need it for work. It will all be gone eventually. Just me and nature.
>>26535898 Yea big game probably isnt going to happen. Its not convenient either, you need to dry and smoke it all or it will rot in a couple of days. Im probably going to depend on snares, deadfalls and fishing.
>>26535975 I can only stand in awe at your incredible optimism.
I don't want to travel dude in fact i'm advocating against it. But you have fun making art man.
It's not like i don't have faith in you.... but i think that the most beautiful pieces of art genuine art have already been made, there hasn't been anything new or innovative in decades.
But if you think you are special go on, i'm not gonna be the one to tell you no, i'm just gonna tell you that it's going to be nearly impossible to come up with something good and original because you as a person have been influenced and that's a good thing. But the art we admire today is the work of complete visionaries, yes some copied from others in different ways but, most things have been done already.
almost every medium of art, ranging from movies to music.... it's all stale, it's all brooding with looking back, there's nothing new and good....
>>26535940 >said by a person who uses all modern technology privileges What makes people happy is materialism. Money is the ultimate resource on this earth right now. Wherever you live on this world requires money. Thanks for western civilization settled the world for us
>Yeah no. What sets humans apart is our ability to for a civilization. What other reason do you have for experiencing new things than impressing your future employer and coworkers? You gain nothing from it in an industrialized society.
There was a world before the industrial revolution retard.
we arent living in the first civilization you retard if you dont know about the old empires then you are clearly too stupid to make it without a caretake
Are you a fucking mongoloid or something? Ur shit doesnt even make sense bro.
>>26536301 Its escaping from the burdens of society because you can't function as a normal human being. The life you're living right now is reality. You're just wasting it thinking something better will come eventually.
>>26536337 >how am i going to get ammunition in europe
you can make an improvised gun from a couple pices of pipe and a nail. why everyone got their knickers in a twist when that autist designed a 3d printable gun is beyond me. people have been improvising firearms for hundreds of years
>>26536301 You'll spend your whole life imaging how reality should be. How society and everyone else is holding you back, how your way is better. They're just scared to let you shine. But one day you'll have your way and live a happy life.
When the reality is you're just a bitter beta faggot who wasted his life and can no longer leave his parents basement.
>>26536403 They didn't. Really. The current standard of living by far exceeds any thing we had at any point in history. Unless you believe Atlantis is real. Then you're way too far gone in your own fantasy.
>>26536403 nooooo, that was not your point there is literally no recorded history before civililzation. We can safely assume there has always been civilization as to the better life for an average woman to be able to raise her children and live to see them have children is a modern miracle with no presedent do you know that 200 years abo doctors didnt wash their hands during chil birth and that fact alone was resposible for 70% of mothers dying during it? you truly belong in the wilderness
>>26536264 The fact that you called them "burdens of society" is the sole reason people want to "escape". The "Escape" you're referring to is running away from one's problems at no good reason. The "escape we're referring to leaving the dystopia that is modern society in search of something better. Pic related.
>>26536481 >They didn't. Really. The current standard of living by far exceeds any thing we had at any point in history. Unless you believe Atlantis is real. Then you're way too far gone in your own fantasy.
>>26535517 I'll leave this summer when im done with my bachelor. I will have ~$175k in savings and im just gonna leave with my hiking gear. I might buy some land and build a house out in nowhere. With the money i have and with ~4-8% ROI i will be able to live for the rest of my life with the money i get from my savings (which will then be invested)
>>26535517 I've been homeless a few times. Sometimes for days at a time and others for months the most, I think, was for three months. Living in an old sealed off bus in the middle of nowhere would be comfy. A car or the street as I was no so much.
Imagine just waking up to everyone being dead. >timeforaroadtrip.png
>>26536498 Assuming you're the same guy, you need to take a class on logic at you local community college.
There are these things called 'eras', you can think of them as time categories by which we record periods of time. Now, civilization has undergone several eras, and what i'm saying is life was better in eras past. The fact of the matter is that babies still die, but it's the world they grow up in that needs to be addressed.
Dont be like mccandless and go in there with minimal knowledge. You should gain knowledge from experienced hobos and offgridders. There are tons of solo offgridders but also families and even whole communities living in the wild. Live with these people before you do it on your own.
>>26536575 A dystopia is a is a community or society that is undesirable or frightening. It is translated as "not-good place", an antonym of utopia, a term that was coined by Sir Thomas More and figures as the title of his most well-known work, "Utopia." "Utopia" is the blueprint for an ideal society with no crime or poverty. Dystopian societies appear in many artistic works, particularly in stories set in the future. Some of the most famous examples are 1984 and Brave New World. Dystopias are often characterized by dehumanization, totalitarian governments, environmental disaster, or other characteristics associated with a cataclysmic decline in society. Dystopian societies appear in many subgenres of fiction and are often used to draw attention to real-world issues regarding society, environment, politics, economics, religion, psychology, ethics, science, and/or technology, which if unaddressed could potentially lead to such a dystopia-like condition.
Vote donald trump, make america great again (2 far cucked)
>>26536917 >It's dystopian because I think it is. Ok I think its a Utopia. I've been a NEET for the past 4 years and still make money. I do nothing that's physically taxing and am never put in any harm in my daily life.
Also, nature is frightening. There are many undesirable aspects of nature. Such as starving and getting literally eaten alive. In fact nature better fits the description of "not-good place".
>>26535859 I'm leaving my home to travel around Europe, will have about 20,000 pounds, not sure what that is in euros once it runs out I'm on my own I'm really fucking excited, waiting until weather improves and I'm gone
>>26536987 Yeah, in third world countries or small islands in the pacific. You'll never get there because countries don't just let you in without expecting you to leave or help benefit their economy. And if you want to try out remote part of Alaska or Russia or the middle east. Be my guest.
>>26536775 We live in an era where the blood and sweat of the common man runs the world. Money doesn't run it, it's a mere byproduct.
Dehuminization is an easy one. Dehumanization is the key to production. Who else is going to work 18 hours a day to make your iphones and your tshirts. Who else is going to gather the raw materials to meet the material demand of "civilization. It's easier to focus on the end product then on those who toil to provide it.
You can't sleep where you want, you can't eat off the land, you can't roam where you want. Government is just a mechanism to maintain "society", under the guise of free will and participation.
Also, Study shows congress doesnt give a flying fuck about you: https://represent.us/action/theproblem-4/
Environmental disaster you say? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster http://aqicn.org/city/beijing/ ...much more
Societal Decline, and ignorance? I dont need to explain this one.
>>26536633 >eras what the hell does it have to do with anything? in which fucking way does this apport or refute to my argument? you are one stupid motherfucker you know that? there is a million and one ways life is better now than it has ever been, ther is no historian in the world that doesnt agree
>>26537075 What exactly is your argument? Is english even your first language because the confusion is definitely mutual. Seriously, please restate your argument because you seem to be interpreting something I'm missing.
>>26537170 no, that would mean that its always the same, Human beings are terrible at learning from history, most people know jack shit about anything. Every imperium has a rich history full of fuck ups that sets it appart we are not different and we will keep fucking up all the way into the cosmos until we can no longer call ourselves humans
>>26537071 >blood and sweat of the common man runs the world. It always has and always will.
You can't sleep where you want, you can't eat off the land, you can't roam where you want. That's what I've been saying.
>Dehuminization is an easy one. Dehumanization is the key to production. Who else is going to work 18 hours a day to make your iphones and your tshirts. Who else is going to gather the raw materials to meet the material demand of "civilization. It's easier to focus on the end product then on those who toil to provide it. There have been slaves since the begging of mankind. I'd say that's a step up from slaves.
>congress doesn't give a flying fuck about me. When did I say they did?
Environmental disasters are nothing new.
Thank you for proving my point.
>>26537178 I've been to 11 different countries in the past 4 years. I don't think you've ever left your basement.
>>26537170 hell we are talking about technology completely replacing the need for humans to work in the future romans achieved the same fucking thing through slavery and look what happened cant you find the humor in that?
>>26537241 There are areas that humans havent seen in decades. Even centuries in less optimal environments for survival. And often nobody will care that youre living in the wild. As long as youre not bothering people its fine. In europe at least. Aswell as alaska.
>>26537364 >pattern of human history You fail to acknowledge that industrialism completely amplified this. This is a much larger scale than a bunch of egyptians getting jews to build their pyramids. This is systematic slavery. And the sooner you realize this, the sooner change will come.
>>26537428 it didnt tho there is still slavery there is still war and countries conquering other countries so what if we are warmer, better fed and entretained and live longer as loing as we still depend in the sae ancient techniques democracy was proven to not work either even in a country scale were everyone can vote
>>26537451 I've met the Alaskan bush people while I was in Alaska. They stay in rented housed when they're not filming. And yes, there are people doing it for real. Like the nomadic tribes in Mongolia. That doesn't mean you can. And even if you try you'll end up back here eventually.
I'm kind of impressed he lasted as long as he did to be honest.
I still don't see the appeal of living in the woods. It's not like an extended camping trip where you've got your beef jerky and some cool drinks, you would literally be fighting for survival like an animal. Not knowing where the next meal is coming from or if a bear was going to come along and fuck you up.
>>26537451 you know this was an 80s thing dont you? i forgot the name but people took to the rodes and lived there it didnt end well nor in an espectacular way either you are looking for change were there is none
>>26537579 >I still don't see the appeal of living in the woods. It's not like an extended camping trip where you've got your beef jerky and some cool drinks, you would literally be fighting for survival like an animal. Not knowing where the next meal is coming from or if a bear was going to come along and fuck you up.
>>26537655 sry to break it to you, but the fight for survival still exists, it has just evolved. It's man made. It's entertaining your employer for a piece of the pie until you die. Nothing is ever handed to you
>>26537625 food shouldnt be a problem at all tho i would say you can carry at least 8 montsh of food with you into the wilderness and as long as you have water and know how to start a fire there will be no problem at all
>>26537659 >The industrial rev didn't change the world.
Unless you found a way to type on 4chan without internet, a computer, electricity, and did so while living in a pre industrial building (made by hand with resources in the immediate vicinity) wearing knitted pre industrial clothes (mom's knitted sweaters), then it actually changed a whole fucking lot.
>>26537768 yeah, and then you get ill somehow and have no health insurance and then you break your leg and literally die starving in a ditch somewhere with ants and flies crawling all over you. sounds like a great deal, senpai.
>>26537828 i dont give a shit really go whenever you want, at least national parks have trash you can dumpster dive when you are starving and someone that will save your life when you inevitably get sick. Most likely dhiarrea and shit yourself half dead
>>26537830 we still depend on slave labor overseas, the entirety of society depends on it the same way the romans did. Without it it would completely crumble neither technology nor capitalism was able to change that again we are warmer, healtier, better fed, more entertained and live longer big whoop the greeks achieved the same
If anyone in this thread is seriously going to do this please keep a diary or something so that we can all laugh when you start panicking and crying when you realise how fucked you are after a couple of months.
>>26537738 Thanks for proving my point that you would gain literally nothing from living in the wilderness.
>>26537756 says the guy arguing on the internet instead of living in his fantasy nature land. At least I'll live longer and die in a warm, comfortable place. Dying out in the cold isn't an achievement. Its actually the opposite. Shows how fucking backwards your view of the world is.
Any ideas how one would go about carrying a weapon as a drifter/innawoods bum? I hear about cops giving vagrants shit all the time because when you carry everything you own on your back, your bound to be carrying something illegal.
A gun seems out of the question unless I'm willing to shoot cops, so something like a chain or a bo staff/walking stick sounds like the best option.
>>26537872 >>26537872 >starving here is your solution, you can even pick thhe flavour as lons as you have water you will not starve or die of dehydration >freeze not if you choose your location well and avoid rain
>>26537969 Going to many different countires throughout the years I've tried train hopping and hitchhiking. There "permanent" ones you speak of don't exist. They do it for a few months to a few years then return to their civilized life. Know what they gain from it? Stories to tell their bosses and coworkers to impress them.
What exactly do YOU think living in the woods would be like m8y boi?
You think food is just going to rain from the sky? You think your shitty boy scout shelter is going to protect you from a serious storm? You think you're going to be able to do shit if one of the animals you try to hunt loses its shit and attacks you? You think you're going to survive for long if you even get the slightest bit sick? Ever had a cold or flu that fucked you up even a little bit? Well that's potentially death if you're living like an animal.
How did people survive in the old west? Well they sure as shit didn't wander off into the woods and never return to civilisation that's for damn sure.
Please just fucking go, and make sure you leave a note saying "That anon on r9k was right" when you realise your chronic case of explosive liquid shitting is going to be the death of you.
One obviously does not revolt against the advantages and opportunities of the state, but against the price which must be paid for the same in the coin of accepted morality, self-restraint and toil.
Nobody is running away from advanced healthcare, plentiful electricity and free libraries. They're running from the odious, oppressive, worrying, humiliating, extortionate and intolerable systems which one must submit to in order to enjoy those benefits.
>>26538044 You must be a slave at an industrial meme factory seeing how you sling the word cuck at everything you don't understand or cant prove otherwise. Also I don't work physically work. I live off my parents inheritance and investments.
>>26537950 Sure, if your goal is to live as long and as safe as possible. I don't think that's the point of life. But OK, you do you, and I'll do me. And when you're having one of your depressive moments in your room, remember I'll be out looking at mountains, or swimming in the ocean, or riding a motorcycle in the desert.
>>26537923 >we still depend on slave labor overseas, the entirety of society depends on it the same way the romans did
The romans did not use slavery as a means of production, or progress. They were used for luxury, and pleasure
> Without it it would completely crumble neither technology nor capitalism was able to change that.
There are many aspects to daily life that are achieved without it. There's no excuse.
> again we are warmer, healtier, better fed, more entertained and live longer big whoop the greeks achieved the same Who's we? it doesn't take much to be warm, and most of the world is malnourished and eats garbage anyway. The greeks had it better.
>>26538070 >buy a shit ton of ramen >buy a tent >pick a location without serious storms or cold winters >keep a radio with bateries and listen to it everyday to know if the river is going to floodbecause that would kill me >stay near the river at all times >buy an emergency kit and antibiotics >buy a satelita phone in case of emergency >bi monthly incursions to civilization for medical check ups and more ramen
>>26538116 you can pack up to eight months of it and keep it with you instant ramen is a moder wonder it stays good for a year without needing some kind of special storage its cheap as fuck it has tons of calories per gram ramen could have changed history if it was invented in the past
Ye i might build a kinda homestead where multiple people can live when i get further down the road. Im not one for social contact all the time but it would be nice to know someone will be there if i get attacked by a bear lol
>>26538210 >The romans did not use slavery as a means of production, or progress. They were used for luxury, and pleasure
im done with you, you have no fucking idea of anything. its a wonder you can tie your shoe lases romans conquered other civilizations and taxed them to hell forcing them to produce for them its indistinguible from slavery
I love how theres always that one guy that comes to these threads like >heh, heh. U not gonna make it mate! Even tho i never go outside and i dont know you at all, ur gun die m8! Oh trust me m8 im experienced hehe u dont wanna do that trust me
>>26538371 R u serious or r u trying to make me kek. Please don't rely on Rome Total War for your history facts. Rome was almost completely self sufficient at first, and imported from regions of syria, spain, and egypt to meet demands of expansionism.
>>26538420 That's the whole argument of the thread. People who don't understand society, nature, other people or them selves arguing about society, nature, other people and them selves. That's pretty much what all of /r9k/ consists of.
>>26538443 you would be in one anyways? what did you expect? to bring a girl with you and play adam and eve? i told you there is no record of human history before civilization that means we have no knowledge of a human disconecting from the world and surviving like that forever in the past tarzan is just a movie anon
>>26538554 >Rome was almost completely self sufficient at first, and imported from regions of syria, spain, and egypt to meet demands of expansionism. And that system worked so well that they decided to ruin it and become what they are today.
>>26538641 actually most epidemics start in the wildernness, there are plenty of ilness you can catch from feral animals not to mention parasites and overal ways you can become intoxicated. you will die not from starvation dehydratation or hypotermia but most likely from an infected wound
>>26538658 The decline of rome can't be condensed into one of two facets.
There were MANY reasons the WRE eventually collapsed, like the inability for Romans to supply their own troops and relying on barbarian mercenaries, resulting in legions loyal not to the state, but only to their commander. The constant inner turmoil and civil strife resulting therein. The Praetorian Guards and Legions were picking their own Emperors and plunging the empire into civil war REGULARLY so they could be paid liberal bounties from the spoils of a successful coup. It was sucking the empire dry.
To try and say it was just because the empire was "too big" is ignoring a lot of pertinent facts.
>>26535517 Whats even the point of being anti materialistic? Are they going to put a gold-star sticker on my gravestone saying "you did it!" Why would I have to "leave" to somewhere? How will leaving a society where everything is provided to me make my life easier? Why would I not want security? What kind of meme is this?
Essentially, many find the modern post-industrial lifestyle to be vacuous, unfulfilling and intolerable and would rather take their chances with a simple but hard life and the freedom derived therein than a complicated life with the benefit of luxurious distractions and conveniences which have an enervating effect on the spirit.
I like the idea of living alone in the woods but i dont think i can do it.
There are other ways to (almost) quit society. Buy an RV and travel through the country getting a shitty job every couple of months Hitchhike and trainhop. Just by hitchhiking you will often get enough food to survive. People that pick up hitchhikers often hook you up with food or money.
>>26538980 of course we dont know about them please tell me about your asian boyfriend and your childhood iq test that said you are a genious you are done, you belong in the retarded tripfags graveyard
Soon I'll be getting $1,200 a month or so autismbux. I plan on living alone like a hermit. I won't hook up internet, internet is a bad influence, bad for my mental health. I'll spend all my days reading, meditating, exercising, performing chores, hiking, and occasionally going to music and stand up comedy shows.
>>26539297 you have autism anon , autism bucks is a way for the goverment to show you that the world has all but given up on you you wont ever live alone, you wont experience any kind of comfortable life at all you are internet bound because the internet is all you have sure 1200 sound good but that money is calculated to be the exact minimun you need and you will find yourself living from check to check not being able to afford any more of the base requirements to keep yourself alive
>>26535517 Sounds interesting, but I like having access to modern medicine. Maybe if we develop an android to ensure food and shelter, I might take some from society. But until then I like my shelter and easy access to food.
I also largely get meaning in life from my social relations. I'm a teacher, I doubt the eagles and bears give a shit about books and knowledge. Also I enjoy other humans(usually), as well as their creations (movies, books, shows vidya).
Yes, our society is DEEPLY sick. And most individuals are as well, but reversion to that is not the answer, social revolution is, as Sanders says.
>>26539552 >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese_people Inbreeding orgies, violence, bestiality. These people have it made. Truly what nature intended for the human race. What you're all living now is just a lie.
>>26539383 I had a friend with more severe mental illness than me and he was allowed to live alone, and he payed $500 a month rent, he actually bought a keyboard (musical instrument), a drawing pad, expensive game design software, a powerful new computer, he also bought games on Steam a lot.
It's not that hard to live on $1,200. He was where I got the idea from. Actually it might be as high as $1,500 even. He never gave me an exact number he just said it was around there.
>>26539620 I live in Canada. I get $640 just for being unemployed during the application process for autismobux. I could live alone on that, but I'd have to eat from the food bank mostly.
I want to become a zen buddhist monk somewhere in asia. >implying i'm going go slave my life away for some greedy jew who needs his sexth million. I want to learn as much as possible in my life. I want to live on only what i need. I want to live a free life. I want a master who i can talk to and learn from. I want monk friends who love and accept me as i am. I don't care if i can't have sex or have to do 'low' jobs as it is done for a greater purpose. Through meditation my life already is heaven but i want to match my surroundings to this too now. My mom wants me to get some shitty job and my own appartment. For what? So i can slave away all my life and get some big TV or a flashy car in the end? The life of most people is a joke in my eyes
>>26540844 Japan or China, I guess.. Really, anywhere would be nice desu
And I am 100% serious, especially after reading somewhere that most males in Japan are sent to Buddhist temples as monks for at least a month (could be off by a milion here) before entering the job world
>I-I want it to be us <
>>26540848 I've given that some thought as well, but buddhism appeals to me more.
>>26540891 If you're serious drop an email and maybe we find some nice place to leave this shithole civilisation behind and become one with our fellow beings and nature. I can't imagine a more worthy path than that of a zen monk
>>26540700 >wanting to be a monk >not wanting to be a slave What makes you think they're free from the corporate empire? Monks these days are now only used as tourist attraction in Asia. Example: the monks in Laos tired to flee or gave up being monks because it just turned into being a tourist attraction. The government threatened to put actors in their place to please tourists.
Also look up collecting alms. You will still be a slave and a beggar. To be a monk is literally to serve. Unless you move to Bhutan or Tibet. (which would be impossible for a westerner) Modern monks are a meme.
>>26540891 >especially after reading somewhere that most males in Japan are sent to Buddhist temples as monks for at least a month (could be off by a milion here) before entering the job world Yeah, you have no idea about the outside world or what you're getting into. Just because you're a monk doesn't mean you won't be a slave to what ever government you live under. But I'm not stopping you. Have fun falling for another meme.
This. The mindless compliance of the Wage-Slave is what keeps this whole shit-show on the road. The price of property is obscene, but rather than do anything constructive about it, Johnny Wagecuck just gets more into debt, and sucks even more corporate cock.
Time is the only thing of value we have. Spend it on yourself.
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