ITT Things in anime that piss us off

whenever they make that "HMPH" or "UMPH" sound when someone says something
why do they fucking do that

>>26516591
This, I hate it

>>26516540
anything too moe. I just can't handle that shit and D R O P it.

its cringy

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>stupid gag
>EHHHHHHHHHHHH
>camera pans up to the sky

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>>26516540
>>26516591
>>26516970
>>26517047
>>26517062
Hello, Reddit!
DAE watch OPM?

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>>26517089
what's that first acronym for

>>26517047
Is there a list of non-pandering anime I can go through?

Guns. Anime never manage to pull it off.

>>26517129
does anyone else haha just remember to upboat this for everybody else who doesnt know

>>26517089
why am i reddit ;_;

>>26516591
I've noticed they do that in Pokemon a lot

>anime character comes out with an entire monologue about injustice while still in a fight

>>26517164
>Guns. Anime never manage to pull it off.
How so?

DAIJOBU

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>>26517047
what if it's ironic moe, like yuyushiki or azumanga daioh?

believe it or not, obvious pandering to teenage guys with huge boobied girls and endless "will they - won't they" plots.

>>26517047
You mean anything too cute.

>>26517335
Neither of them are being ironic about anything.

>>26517400
they're comedy shows where the straight man often remarks "you guys are being a bunch of moe faggots huh"

it's not like k-on or somethingwhere it's played straight

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This shit girl

>>26517399
>pandering
Does not exist. Late night anime also primarily targets late teens and adult audiences.

>>26517421
Is that what someone on the Internet told you?

>>26517281
Apparently, guns aren't supposed to make all that clacking noise when you handle it normally.

Why can't anime creators into pacing?

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Moe is not a crime.

>>26517428
>literally 2deep4u

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>>26517428
>she is smiling in a bikini
>""""""""Rei""""""""
Pick one.

>>26517455
They can, you just need to watch more Mr. Reddit.

>>26517400
Yes, anything too disgusting and offensive to taste.

>>26516540
walking animation that is basically a picture of the character that just moves up and down.

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>>26517447
That's very typical in live action too.

Something anime does much better than American movies and shows is that characters almost never have their finger on the trigger when they aren't supposed to, even when they're handling airsoft or water guns.

>>26517047
>tfw i like moe
i think i'm a pleb

i pretty much like everything

my MAL page is all 7-10s

something has to be pretty objectively awful for me to not see some kind of worth in it

>>26517570
>robot has shit taste
No surprise here

>>26517400
Yuyushiki is about a traumatized girl whose friends died and she's
hallucinating them, you think there are 3 girls when in fact she's just waving around 2 hand puppets and talking to herself.

>>26517570
If we define a pleb as the common person watching anime, then a pleb is someone who hates almost everything and spends 95% of their time complaining and reciting memes and 5% watching anime.

>>26517570
You're not a pleb for liking moe.

>>26517650
>being a proud philistine

when will anti-art stop

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>Way too fast paced story progression that is confusing and hard to keep up with
>Extremely slow story progression, a dozen episodes or more are dedicated to a single character/turn of events and most of it is basically filler shit

>>26517691
all art has merit

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I guess the inverse of pic related.

>>26517691
People who pretend their prefered genre of anime is more mature and artistic than another genre of anime are cringeworthy shitheads who should try reading a book if they want to talk about culture.

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I only really like Neon Genesis Evangelion and FMA: Brotherhood, though Evangelion is by far my favorite of the two. How much of a pleb am I? Also watch a bit of Black Lagoon and Tenchi Muyo whenever I see it.

>>26517754
>Extremely slow story progression, a dozen episodes or more are dedicated to a single character/turn of events and most of it is basically filler shit
That's not a filler episode.

>>26517824
>genre
>conflating literature with visual media

go to college sometime

>>26517824
le russians xDDDDDD
Pseudo-intellectual hack.

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>beach episode

>>26517867
>genre
Anime consists of genres.

>conflating literature with visual media
His point probably was that if you want to roleplay as some cultured patrician intellectual you should get involved with literature instead of anime.

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>>26516540

>the scene ends with the guy getting into a stupid situation with a girl, yelling, and the camera panning up while he's still screaming over something stupid

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>protagonist accidentally walking into girl changing scene
>protagonist accidentally falling on top of girl, with convenient tit grab

Watch the first episode of Asterisk War and fucking cry at how many tropes it contains

>>26517912
>throwing the baby out with the bathwater (?)

It sounds like you're conceding that all anime is for plebs (or intrinsically "beneath" literature) just to keep it immune from scrutiny or criticism. That's not helpful.

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>>26517967
>>protagonist accidentally walking into girl changing scene

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>>26517901

This

Especially with m8s over to.

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>>26517967
I wonder how you will react to the creator of said trope.

>>26518018
Literature has establishment support and is taken seriously by society. Anime is considered the lowest of the low. So anyone who wants to roleplay as an intellectual should be involved with literature (or at least cinema), not anime.

>>26518097
>anime
>lowest of the low
I think you meant furries and mlpfags there

>>26518123
Anime is a form of television and cinematic animation. Furries are a subculture and bronies obsess over a single television show. So they are not the same thing.

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>>26518097

>i look down on people who watch anime on an anime website.

>>26518097
How are those things mutually exclusive? Anyone with interest in visual media (art, film, and animation) will eventually learn about Japanese animation, and when they encounter it, they ought to have license to discern worthwhile works in the medium from worthless garbage.

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>>26518169
Where did I say I look down on people who watch anime? I'm watching Shoujo-tachi wa Kouya wo Mezasu right now.

>>26518085
It's not? You do realize NGE is satire, correct?

>>26518194

Well, the important thing is that you found a way to feel superior to both sides.

>>26518192
>they ought to have license to discern worthwhile works in the medium from worthless garbage.
Which will almost certainly involve pretentious posturing that would be better applied to literature and cinema instead. No matter how much of an anime "patrician" you pretend to be, people are still going to look down on you for associating yourself with anime.

>>26518169
Not him, and I like anime as well, but you would have to be absolutely retarded to claim that anything save for a few series is anything but absolute shit.

The only people who unironically consider themselves superior for preferring a certain genre of anime over another are those who have had absolutely zero exposure to actual art. Again, not saying that anime is bad (I watch a lot of anime), but don't try to claim that anything but a few series are "artistic".

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>>26518222
How the fuck is it satire?

>>26518229
>completely missing the point
Not him, but do you know what that phrase implies?

You should brush up on your reading comprehension skills before spouting reddit-tier nonsense.

>>26516591
it shows the talking party that you are paying attention. it's like saying 'yeah'

>>26518222
It's a deconstruction of the mecha genre, definitely not a satire.

>>26518245
>you would have to be absolutely retarded to claim that anything save for a few series is anything but absolute shit.
>Again, not saying that anime is bad (I watch a lot of anime), but don't try to claim that anything but a few series are "artistic".
What makes you think that a show can only be "shit" or "artistic"?

>>26518273
>>26518294
Redditors really don't understand it, I see.

This is why children who haven't seen anything made before it shouldn't be allowed to comment.

>>26518169
>anime website
this meme needs to go

>>26518274

Whisk yourself away to reddit and never come back, please. I'm begging you.

>>26518365
>i've only been here since 2015

name me one anime where the mc isnt an orphan or have missing/distant parent(s)

>>26518326
"shit" in the sense that it's not art.

That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it ("real" art is too stuffy and pretentious anyways), but trying to feel superior over "taste" in something like anime just makes you come off as a complete tool, that's all.

>>26518365

Hello, reddit! How are you doing today?

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>>26518348
>not explaining it
>calling others redditors while engaging in the most reddit-tier "I'm 2 deep 5 you, lmao" commenting
Seems like bait. Bait that I took willingly.

>>26518374
No, you should head back. I mean, you are the one who likes the maymays so much anyways, right?

If you can't make a legitimate response, feel free to stop replying.

>>26518384
non non biyori

>blox

>>26518384
The average anime protagonist comes from a middle class home. The orphan thing is probably more of a Western cliche.

>>26518348
it's past your bed time, kiddo

>>26518241
So you're just reiterating your prior point? Anime is all shit so it's not worth trying to distinguish anything good from anything bad? I can understand that it makes me look like a blowhard low-hanging-fruit faggot deriding stuff that was never meant to be "taken seriously", but why deny the license to contrast it with stuff in the medium that's more ambitious?

>associating with anime

According to this logic, if someone can judge the quality of a French animation by virtue of being trained in visual media, it entails that they are "associated with" French animation.

>>26518222
>>26518348
satire was a bad word to use

satire is often humorous or exaggerated

>>26518451
>So you're just reiterating your prior point? Anime is all shit so it's not worth trying to distinguish anything good from anything bad?
I never made any such point.

>>26518424
>bait
Yes, anything you don't like is b8.

Come back when you're old enough to post here.
>>26518449
I'm 28.
>>26518476
It's exactly that, though. It's sardonic satire that Redditors don't understand because NGE is the oldest series they've seen.

>>26518384
>MC likes to eat a lot
>MC is always sleeping
>MC is driven by wanting to find his parents or finding out what happened to them or surpass them

>>26518428

It would make this board a better place if you stopped posting here and went back to posting on reddit full time.

>>26518515
Satire is a type of deconstruction, but deconstruction is not a type of satire.

NGE isn't a satire, but it falls into the broader category of genre deconstruction.

It's a little tongue-in-cheek at times, but not a satire.

I actually agree with your point, but I think you are confused about the terminology.

>>26518515
If you had explained what is satirical about it, then it wouldn't be bait. We get that it is, as the other guy said, a deconstruction of the genre, but, by that logic, just about anything can be a satire.

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>>26516540
>watching gooktoons

>>26518566
>it isn't satire
I see you've proven my point, Anon; you're too young to be posting here.
>>26518570
See: >>26518085 for an example.

See, if you'd had seen anything made beforehand, you'd know that this sort of thing is already an established trope.

It's a massive example of satire. I don't think you've actually seen it or know what satire is if you don't get that.

Like, I can't even explain why it is satire because it is blatant that it is the oldest series you've seen. I mean, damn; I only saw a handful beforehand back in 2001 but even I saw how it was a satire.

I was 14.

You aren't even at a 14-year-old's level.

>protagonist is extremely bossy, constantly tries to get everyone to act exactly like he wants them to, gets mad when they do anything even remotely unusual
Kanon, White Album 2, looking at you. Worst protagonists.

>>26517089
asukafag detected
gtfo

>>26518488
My apologies, I made that assumption because it was the most likely premise which would make your argument coherent.

In that case, let me say that you haven't established any connection between distinguishing good from bad in a medium and "pretentious posturing", nor have you defined it, nor have you shown why it is inferior to mere enjoyment. Care to elaborate?

>>26518648
The trope is present because it is commonplace in the mecha genre, but it is used to an effect that departs significantly from the traditional mecha genre.

This is literally the definition of a deconstruction. NGE is a by-the-book genre deconstruction. A satire is a deconstruction that includes some particular elements of comedy, which NGE doesn't fully indulge.

I get the feeling that you are underage, because you are the only one here trying to derail the topic by making offhand comments about age.

>>26518677
I am just saying that if you want to roleplay as a cultured intellectual then anime is not the place for it. I don't know what's so complicated about this.

>>26518648
In which pre-evangelion series does this take place? I haven't watched a lot of old series but i've watched a few, and i don't remember any series where it happened. Not even in Tenchi Muyou, which is a fanservice series.

>>26518711

Your opinion means nothing. It's an anime forum, deal with it.

>>26518732
That doesn't even have anything to do with what I said.

>>26518675
Golly gee! How'd ya finger that one out?
>>26518704
See, more ignorance of the series.
>omg ur underage
Projecting won't save you. Please stop regurgitating what you read on Wikipedia and actually defend yourself. I cannot do the same because it is blatant that you have no interest in the genre whatsoever.

It actually may as well be a comedy series, but you don't understand that because you're Straight Outta Reddit and don't understand the genre one bit.
>>26518715
literally asking to be spoonfed.

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>>26518648
>taking tropes and exaggerating them in specific scenes
>whole show is satirical

>>26518757

What you said is literally worthless. Take a hint.

>MC is an autistic fuck who can't handle anything sexual without sperging out and the girl having a huge overreaction
I understand that the majority of your viewers can relate to the MC, but c'mon you can do way better than that.

>>26518797
What are you talking about?

bloxblox

>>26518771
>literally asking to be spoonfed.
It's called having a conversation. Don't be a fucking autist.

>>26518802

i cringe everytime this happens. ive dropped shows over this

>>26518771
>literally asking to be spoonfed.
/a/utism strikes

>make a claim
>asked to substantiate the claim
>I WON'T SPOONFEED YOU

>>26518771
>See, more ignorance of the series.
Feel free to elaborate anytime.

I'm actually trying to understand why you think it's a satire, but you aren't making any reasonable responses.

>"dae le projection"
hahaha, back to facebook

>>26518711
Okay, that's fine. I think everyone can judge good from bad and have opinions about shows -- as everyone does -- without defaulting to "pretentious snob". And I don't see why it's such a bad thing that there might be someone out there who knows a thing or two about film making relatively informed opinions about all this bullshit (not me, by the way). But fine. I get it.

>>26518732
?

>>26518771
>underage projecting won't save you
>was the first one to bring up age

>>26518852
....

???

What? Like seriously, what the fuck is going on here? I have no idea.

>>26518789
Yes, that's how it works. Go watch something made before it and maybe you'll look back on this day with embarrassment.
>>26518818
>>26518840
OMG AUTIST
>>26518843
You haven't seen anything made before it, I cannot elaborate because you are entirely ignorant.
>>26518853
Because it is blatant that he is very young by his reluctance to watch anything 'old and outdated'.

>situation isn't what it seems (often romanticly/sexually)
>guy/girl draws conclusion and bolts off before the other party can explain

>>26518877
>OMG AUTIST
literal autism

>>26518877
I have seen series made before Evangelion. I don't remember any example of that trope.

>>26518732
Pretending to be an intellectual or somehow culturally enriched by watching certain genres has nothing to do with this being an anime website.

In case you are too new to understand, the "muh taste" stuff on /a/ is a meme, and literally everyone except for you understands that anime shouldn't be taken this seriously.

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>>26518899

I'm glad you post on anime forums to have your opinions feel superior to other ones.

>>26518877
>yes, that's how it works
No, it isn't. By that standard, the Pirates of Penzance could be called a satire of one man (which was the point of the pic I posted).

>>26518877
>You haven't seen anything made before it
I have watched a lot of 80s anime

>I cannot elaborate because you are entirely ignorant.
No, you cannot elaborate because you are legitimately autistic and don't actually watch anime.

>>26517442
mr. fuckin anime expert over here lord of all anime opinons

>>26518904
It seems like almost every time I post on 4chan I start getting pestered by someone with an unmedicated mental illness.

>>26518922
>he said without the slightest hint of irony, as he made yet another post about how his taste in chinese cartoons is superior

I bet you're fat, too.

>>26517827
pretty entry level but eh who isn't. its hard to keep up.

>>26518960
if everything smells like shit, check your own shoes

>>26518946
Where did I state any opinions in that post?

>>26519001
shhh, let the retard feel good for a bit.

>>26518898
Not enough, then.
>>26518925
>every episode
>the entire plot
>every character
>not fucking satire
>>26518929
More projecting, I see.

>>26519020
>muh projection meme

literal reddit autism

>>26519020
Just shut the fuck you pretentious piece of shit if you don't have anything to say other than insulting people. Jesus.

>>26518969
maybe he just thinks you're a gay nerd for talking about anime

>>26517901
>People will defend shows that basically service the audience into watching

>>26519048
>pretentious
Yes, pointing out a series isn't lolsobroodingandgrimdark is just SUPER PRETENTIOUS OMG

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>mfw some shitposter derails my anime conversation

>>26519063
That would be pretty funny, because he is the one trying to convince everyone that his taste in anime is superior.

>>26519098
any anime speak is shitposting

>>26519020
I can definitely the magma diver episode being satire (muh expansion), the power outage one (Fuyutsuki is t. Foreshadower), and a few others, but every single one?

And the characteristics of a lot of the characters are so specific that, even if they were amalgamations of multiple characters, it created such a hybrid that there is originality there. Not to mention that many parts reference things WAY older than Anime, or even the Japanese culture (e.g. Shinji's Oedipus Complex).

>>26516540
The typical I'm 6-14 years old and I live alone.

>>26519133
Yes, every single one in some way even if it is subtle and irrelevant.

>>26519085
If you're only saying it to brag about how much of a genre patrician you are, then yes, that is being pretentious.

>>26519065
The Japanese are not as hysterical and neurotic about "fanservice" as you are.

>>26519112
yeah, but at least it was a cohesive exchange of shitposts

>>26519178
Do you unironically think anime is good?

>>26519168
And, here, we must get into what makes an episode a satire. Episode 10 is obviously satire, and there are probably satirical elements in every episode, I will concede that from the many I can think of; however, I would like to see you be able to justify the entire plot and the entirety of every single episode being satirical in-nature.

>>26517089
Hey it's anon95, what have you been up to since our site went down

>>26519169
what is legitimate criticism?

>>26519193
loaded question

>>26518365
This is not a meme. You are the meme.

>>26519112

it's like going onto a car forum and talking about how much you hate cars. somebody posts a picture of a car and you sperg out asking them why they like cars and they shouldn't feel smug just because they own a car.

from an outsiders perspective, you are literally a fucking autist

>>26519169
>bragging
Somebody is illiterate.
>>26519193
You're on an anime imageboard.
>>26519234
We're on dubtrack now. Same room name.

>>26519302
>You're on an anime imageboard.
Nice answer

>>26519239
Criticism would be giving your opinions on it. You are just saying it is something without actually making a case for it.

>>26519330
He's right about that part though.

>>26519354
That wasn't my question, though

>>26519379

Your question sucked and wasn't worth answering, how do you not understand this simple concept?

Oh wait, i'm on a board full of fucking spergs, that's why.

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B-BAKA NA

It's the other way around, by the way. The default position is that most anime, including moeshit, isn't worthy of being called "art" and that only stuff in the vein of Ghibli films is salvageable from the medium.

>>26519492
Translation: Ghibli movies have mainstream and critical acceptance, therefore they are "art."

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When two or more characters are talking about somebody, and then then the camera cuts to that same person suddenly sneezing.

I see it so many damn times it pisses me off.

>>26519435
>Your question sucked
it was a yes or no question

>>26519512
Yes, that is the default position. To argue otherwise requires a burden of proof. You have to convince someone Little Girl Panty Cute Cute 2 is good, you don't generally need to convince someone of a Ghibli film.

>>26519570
In other words you aren't even talking about art.

>>26519591
That's right. I'm talking about arguing about art.

>>26519570
>Little Girl Panty Cute Cute 2

Is this what dumb normalfags actually think anime is like?

>>26519001
you're not stating opinions you're immediately shooting down everyone elses because it doesn't fit your limited interpretation of the media and then SAMEFAGGING to boot. jerk

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>>26519685
>My Chinese cartoon is much deeper than you think

>>26519693
Pandering doesn't exist, and late night anime primarily targets late teens and adult audiences. That's simply how things are.

I've not samefagged anywhere, unless by samefagging you mean posting more than once in the same thread.

>>26519737
They are, and his point is that "Little Girl Panty Cute Cute 2" is the sort of thing someone who doesn't know anything about anime would say.

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>>26519801
>They are, and his point is that "Little Girl Panty Cute Cute 2" is the sort of thing someone who doesn't know anything about anime would say

This is why I will never visit /a/ again. Do you consume any media other than video games and anime?

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>overexaggerated gasping at everything for dramatic effect.

>all characters react to events happening around them at the exact same time in the exact same way

>characters finishing eachothers sentences and thoughts even after just meeting one another for the first time

this happens in tv too but anime somehow manages to make it even more ridiculous.

>>26519878
Not him, but what do you consider media? I read all kinds of history, philosophy, and other books.

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>can't tell who the fuck is advocating what and all the weird premises and biases are blurring together

>>26519930
welcome to r9k new buddy

>>26519878
What are you talking about?

bloxbloxblox
bloxbloxblox

>>26516591
You talk like you're from tumblr. Be my qt tumblr gf

I saw prefect blue about a year ago. It stuck with me pretty well. What do other anons think about it?

>>26519878
>>26519976
Watch a good movie like Blade Runner, and see if your children's shows even compare. It's like anime is the only thing you tards watch.

>>26519801
>Pandering doesn't exist

Since I'm sure you'll be thrilled to write more nerd essays about anime please explain the semantics you're using to avoid this.

>>26516540
Cringe humor. Was one of the main things I disliked about FMA Brotherhood. Some shows can pull it off, it failed miserably.

>>26520023
Meant for

>>26519976
>>26519921


bloxblock

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>>26520023
>>26520055
I watch good movies as well. Some favorites of mine are Apocalypse Now, Kagemusha, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, Barry Lyndon, 2001: A Space Odyssey, The Battle of Waterloo.

As far as fiction books, War and Peace is my favorite, followed by the D'Artagnan Romances (the Three Musketeers and its sequels).

Currently reading St. Augustine's Confessions, The Jewish War (Josephus), and Dr. Lawrence Keeley's War before Civilization.

>bawww, people who like anime must all be uncultured faggots.

>>26520023
>if it's animation, it's for children
You are not nearly as smart as you think you are. But you are at least very pretentious. Why should watching Blade Runner be mutually exclusive with watching, say, Koukaku no Pandora? You just want social validation by associating yourself with things that are considered (or you think are considered) "sophisticated" and "intellectual." It doesn't even matter if you've actually watched Blade Runner, it's enough that you associate yourself with it.

>>26520024
What are you talking about?

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>>26520169
I'll simply leave this, then.

>>26520169
Are you the dude who's been in denial about moeshit this entire thread?

>>26520267
lmfao right what a pleb

>>26520254
How am I being pretentious? Blade runner must seem like a masterpiece to you, considering all you watch is little girls screaming.

>>26520254
How do you define "pandering"?

>>26520292
No, I am not moe guy.

>>26520267
Oh, yes, tell me all about how Harry Potter is the best """""""novel""""""" series ever.

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>>26520347
>Oh, yes, tell me all about how Harry Potter is the best """""""novel""""""" series ever.

What are you trying to say?

>>26520169
Kagemusha is great stuff. You seen Ran?

>>26520169
>War and Peace is my favorite,
Tasteless.

>>26520313
>How am I being pretentious?
By thinking that the only acceptable entertainment is the kind that makes you look good in front of others.

>considering all you watch is little girls screaming
I don't watch any such thing, and I never said anything about what I watch or don't watch aside from anime. All you're doing here is showing you don't have the slightest comprehension of what you're talking about and are only repeating memes.

>>26520334
Pandering theory states that animators, manga artists, light novel writers and game designers don't make things because they like them, but because they expect otaku to buy them or because they have somehow been forced into doing things that otaku like. And it just so happens, every single time, that all the things they supposedly are "pandering" with are exactly the same things that casual Western viewers hate. Nobody has ever accused mecha or cyberpunk anime of pandering to anyone...

Pandering theory supposes that creators and otaku are two completely separate, distinct groups of people with no overlap, which is completely false.

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>>26516591
in casual settings "uun" and "un" can mean "no" and "yes" respectively, and can also be used to imply you're still listening. Its fucking stupid in dubbed anime though

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>>26520410
I haven't. Have only started watching Kurosawa recently, at the recommendation of my older brother, who has God-tier taste.

>>26520426
Let's hear yours then?

>>26520392
I'm saying it is standard pop-fiction.

>>26520455
This guy gets it
bloxbloxbloxblox

>>26520455
>By thinking that the only acceptable entertainment is the kind that makes you look good in front of others.

Is that what you really think? Blade runner isn't a movie people use to look good in front of others, it's just a good movie.

>>26520487
>I haven't. Have only started watching Kurosawa recently, at the recommendation of my older brother, who has God-tier taste.

If he did, he wouldn't be recommending a talentless hack to his autist of a brother

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>turn on some anime clip
>they're speaking japanese

Makes me flinch a little when I hear them yelling japanese in a serious tone

>>26520516
Blade Runner is considered an influential classic. It's something you can namedrop to let people know that you're a man of sophistication, unlike those terrible anime plebs who don't know anything.

>>26520533
I suppose you think the Marvel movies are timeless masterpieces?

>>26520546
>liking dubs

>>26520571
That's exactly what I was Implying :^)

only animes i liked were
>akira
>princess monoke
>cowboy bebop
>ghost in the shell
>shit that was on cartoon network like dbz and gundam
couldnt really get into anything else desu

>>26520552
Unless you are a complete movie turbopleb, then no, it really isn't.

>>26520619
Why are you now trying to downplay Blade Runner? Why even mention it in the first place then?

>>26520650
Because even an "influential classic" starter movie like blade runner is better than any anime to ever exist.

>>26520672
How many of the latter do you watch to actually know how you can make that judgement?

>>26520672
So you're saying you're unable or unwilling to enjoy different things for different reasons, and instead want to construct an absolute hierarchy of quality for every movie and television show in existence. By the way, why bother watching Blade Runner when there's surely some other movie that's even better? And why bother watching THAT movie when it's overshadowed by yet another movie?

>>26520720
Make it easier, and name one that is.

>>26520672
It's time for you to stop posting.

the fact that anime girls are supposed to be japanese yet look fully white

>>26516591
example? pls

fuck u. this is an original comment.

>>26520743
There pretty much is a set hierarchy of quality.
Anime is objectively worse than movies.

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>>26518365
>I am from reddit: the post

Weeaboo culture on 4chan is here to stay, forever, on every single board, and there is literally nothing you can do about it. Get fucked.

>>26520789
>I am a proud retard: the post

>character says something slightly deep or emotional
>someone else: "[character name]..."

Every fucking manga. Every fucking Japanese game. Every fucking anime. What did they mean by this?

>>26520749
Since you have already made it clear that you think it is impossible, you will dismiss any recommendation I could possibly make. I don't make absolute judgement of genre being better or worse than others, but I try to partake in all of them and judge them within the context of their genre.

What you are doing is the equivalent of going on a Youtube comment section of a recording of Lou Reed and saying "What happened to REAL music?!"

>>26520169
>War and Peace is my favorite
Why would you pretend to have read a book, anon?

>>26520817
You are literally posting on an anime oriented imageboard. As in, this website was literally created with anime discussion in mind before anything else. You fuck off.

>>26520672
>Because even an "influential classic" starter movie like blade runner is better than any anime to ever exist.
This is what I call 'trolling'.
Watch carefully:

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>>26520830
Why assume I am pretending?

>tfw Pierre Bezukhov and and unnamed French officer come upon each other at the Battle of Borodino and each ask themselves "am I taking a prisoner, or am I being taken prisoner?"

>>26520843
Why do you have to ruin every board? can't you just stay on /a/?

>>26520757
>yet look fully white
No. This is narcissistic white supremacist projection.

>>26520786
Then that means you can only ever watch one movie, because only one movie can be the best, and only the best matters.

>Anime is objectively worse than movies.
So this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI_nj4NXpoQ

Is better than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhHoCnRg1Yw

And this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krvwtRbK5nM

Is better than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz49vQwSoTE

I see.

>>26520881
Literally the stupidest post I've ever read in my life

WATASHI WA...

>>26520871
No, you are the one who is ruining this entire website and you should stay on reddit. Anime was here first, fuck off.

>>26520908
You literally can't argue against anything I said.

>>26520947
>anime content
>on /a/

I know it's hard to understand

>>26518384
Are you serious? Madoka

Whenever an anime has a very limited soundtrack, for example, when there is one 'sad' song, one 'action' song, one 'slice of life' song, etcetera. It really becomes noticeable when an anime stretches it's limited soundtrack over multiple seasons.

>>26520871
What is hard to understand about the fact that this site is literally an anime oriented website? You have the whole rest of the fucking Internet. Leave.

>>26520974
4chan is an anime site, and /r9k/ is an off-topic board with no set topic.

>>26520986
Couldn't agree more. HxH was horrible about this.

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>>26520970
Cherry picking the worst movies( which happen to be cartoons, Alvin and the chipmunks) To your anime "art" movies for enlightened fedoras.

I meant that the best anime doesn't come close to the best movies.

>>26520455
That's a pretty narrow definition, and a strictly negative one. Why is it not "pandering" if the artist likes whatever it is that's being depicted, but still deliberately expects the material to appeal to a certain crowd? Liberal directors are said to make films "pandering" to liberal sensibilities, etc.

But even in your excessively strict concept, there are (admittedly anecdotal) counterexamples.

>(on watamote:) We often have a talk that "What types of girls are there in popular manga?" and we predict that "Which type of girls would be popular next?" In the meantime, we made up a character and she suited the theme.

>>26520487
Definitely watch it sometime if you're getting a kick out of Kurosawa. But if you watched Kagemusha recently (within the past few months), I'd hold it for a while. To my memory, the movies resemble each other in a lot of ways; you might risk getting "burnt out" on the aesthetic if Kagemusha is still fresh in your memory.

>>26520974
Anime will be on every board, forever, and there is literally nothing you can do about it. In the end, there are only two outcomes for you:

a. Get sick of seeing anime posted everywhere and actually fuck off back to r*ddit like you've been told to multiple times, or:
b. Post on this website forever, tolerating all of the anime you've willingly made yourself sift through while looking for epic frog memes, like the pathetic cuckold r*dditor you are.

Get absolutely fucked nigger.

>>26521027
Backpedaling. You clearly said that live action movies, period, are better than anime, period.

>To your anime "art" movies for enlightened fedoras.
So now "art" movies are bad? Then what movies are good? The Zookeeper?

>>26521105
by art movies i meant your ghibli "deep" anime.

>>26521103
>That's a pretty narrow definition, and a strictly negative one.
That's because pandering is considered strictly negative.

>>26516591
it's called aidzuchi

>>26517428

agreed fuck that autistic slut

tfw bg is always right

>anime girl turns slightly
>boobs jiggle

>>26520881
negro some have blond hair, blue eyes, traits that only whites have

>>26521132
I mean to say that it centers on hypothetical "otaku-proof" content that is generally viewed negatively or considered "cheap". Of course pandering itself, as a practice, has a negative connotation. In common use, however, fairly neutral (or at worst partisan) things like environmentalism or nationalism can be pandered.

>>26517164
Watch Gangsta and DOGS: Bullets & Carnage

>English dub
>Either gutted American-produced trash or shoddy ultra-literal Hong Kong job with barely any voice actors

>English sub
>Either half the words are untranslated for "authenticity" or filled with stupid memes

>>26521256
And some have purple eyes and green hair, traits that nobody has. Your point?

>>26521297
People don't like "otaku" content, so they assume the authors didn't like it either and was "pandering." It's nothing but projection and cultural imperialism.

Subs that are dumbed down and dont actually match the dialougue. I know enough Japanese to understand the correct use of words and phrashing when translated and its just annoying to watch when they dont match up. Really triggers my autism.

>>26521369
my point is that they are not japanese they are hidious moe blobs that should be exterminated

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>MC is an average, boring, even underwhelming dude for years
>suddenly one event happens which involves a girl
>more girls are suddenly included due to chain event and they're all thirsty for the dudes dick where they compete
>only one other male character whos his friend and is pretty cool in comparison
>basically cucked because same girls treat him like shit or just ignore him
I can't enjoy that at all, senpai

>>26521406
They don't have to look Japanese. Nor do they have to look white.

Moeblobs don't exist.

>>26521013
Shit man, I think you might have ruined rewatching HxH for me. But then again, I think almost every anime does this so its not that noticeable

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>tfw I prefer watching dub
>even better when it has that "so bad it's good" quality about it
>sometimes I watch dub, with subtitles just so I can keep the volume low (and/or talk over it) and still follow along.

>>26519737
China can't make a cartoon to save its life and you know it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqlBQEXJlkI

>>26521459
>people watch this

>>26516540
Anime posters piss me off.

>>26521456
HxH was one of the worst offenders. Especially during the Chimera Ant saga

>>26521417
Yeah. The girl has to be cute and the guy has to be good looking or have a special quality or personality. Not average and boring. It just isnt fun or entertaining that way. I cant get into it

>>26521459
>that awful animation
also
>not liking 3000 why's of blue cat

>>26517783
>>26517783
well that sums it up nicely.

Japanese shit always revolves around misunderstandings.

Like the bad guys always turn out to be misunderstood rather than bad by nature.
Maybe it has to do with their war crimes, who knows.

>>26521369
Here's a translated post from a Japanese person.

>I wonder why they love watamote so much.
Nerds who read Japanese manga are sympathizing with Mokocchi?

Cultural imperialism?

I don't get why it's necessary that the author dislikes the content. Americans would point to something like The Birth of a Nation and say it's pandering to racists without giving a second thought to it being born of some cognitive dissonance or weird manipulative ploy. In the same way, I think most people understand manga artists like cute girls and are not mistaken in identifying content deliberately made to pander towards those with similar tastes. They also wouldn't be mistaken in thinking that sometimes the cuteness is exaggerated or emphasized for mass appeal or for effect. That's not something unique to Japan. That's business.

>>26521522
I'd have no problem if it was one girl who had a crush, but when you've got the whole female cast dripping for a guy who is bland as bread in all aspects, its hard to get into. Shit, even fantasy with dragons, magic and shit is more believable at that point.

>>26521490
Nobody has to. China throws money at animation studios to spite Japan, and if you make it cheap enough it's impossible to not make a profit. That's why there's all those shitty Canadian cartoons made in Adobe Flash.

>>26521582
>Here's a translated post from a Japanese person.
Huh?

>Cultural imperialism?
The idea that "otaku" things are wrong and bad and everyone should stop doing them and do Western friendly things instead.

>I don't get why it's necessary that the author dislikes the content.
It is what it is. I am not deciding what pandering theory states, I am describing what it states. I didn't come up with it.

>I think most people understand manga artists like cute girls
They really don't. They believe that they hate them and would rather work on some gritty cyberpunk epic.

>and are not mistaken in identifying content deliberately made to pander towards those with similar tastes.
If both the artist and the audience like them, then where is the pandering?

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>>26516540
>I'm eons old immortal god trapped into a body of little girl
>who wields an oversized hunk of metal like it was as light as a feather
>I slaughter dozens upon dozens of human bowling pins
>While giggling in a voice that isn't eerie as it's supposed to be, but just plain cringe inducing

>>26521459
holy fucking shit rofl, my sides hurt

>>26521186
Of course I am, I've been here forever.
>>26521336
Get better subs. Even speed-subbers like HS don't do that.

>>26521668
Again,
>I wonder why they love watamote so much. Nerds who read Japanese manga are sympathizing with Mokocchi?

That's a post from a Japanese person, simply meant as an illustration of a larger point: isn't "otaku culture" marginal in Japan itself? Where's the cultural imperialism here?

>>26521902
>That's a post from a Japanese person
What is it supposed to prove?

>isn't "otaku culture" marginal in Japan itself? Where's the cultural imperialism here?
It's cultural imperialism to present "otaku" things as bad and wrong and demand them to be replaced with things that conform to Western norms.

>>26521986
>It's cultural imperialism to present "otaku" things as bad and wrong and demand them to be replaced with things that conform to Western norms.

Within Japan? Are you really going to try and tell me otakus aren't largely resented by the greater Japanese public?

Back to the "pandering" point, here's some shit from the Danganronpa dev team:

>We figured that, if we make this game and market it as a visual novel, it's probably not going to do very well. In order to avoid that problem, we decided to add a lot of gameplay elements in order to make it more appealing--to draw that distinction between adventure games and visual novels. Actually, when we were developing the game, when we started to incorporate the interactive elements, many times, the staff would say, "Do we really need this? Why don't we just tell the story as it is?"

Those incorruptible Japs man, never folding to external pressures, never compromising their artistic vision to those damn "gamers"! You're fucking deluded.

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>25 minute episodes
>3 minute intro
>2 minute outro
>5 minute recap at the start of each episode

>>26522421
Cuckira Toriyama.

>>26522366
>Within Japan?
No? I am obviously talking about Westerners.

>Are you really going to try and tell me otakus aren't largely resented by the greater Japanese public?
Yes because that's outdated information. And what does it even have to do with what we're talking about?

>Back to the "pandering" point, here's some shit from the Danganronpa dev team:
Doesn't have anything to do with pandering.

>Those incorruptible Japs man, never folding to external pressures, never compromising their artistic vision to those damn "gamers"! You're fucking deluded.
I never said Japanese creators are not susceptible to any pressure. I never said Japanese creators don't take into account commercialization and market conditions. I never said anything about gamers.

Do girls really do that thing where they put their hands on their hips while leaning forward?

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this shit. Why the fuck is this so common?