Why haven't you started saving up money to go to an ayahuasca retreat in Peru to cure your depression? I understand it's expensive and costs 2-3k USD, but according to a lot of people, taking ayahuasca with shamans almost guarantees you a life changing epiphany and become truly happy in yourself. Sounds like a great investment to me.
i dont buy this 'take a psychodelic substance and change your life' meme.
When I see some real studies, maybe. Until then, it's no better than meme plants or placebo "antidepressant" pills. There's a reason alternative medicine is separate from medicine: it doesn't work.
yeah it's not that great. And if you are from the US, you can come to Monterrey, that's like 3 hours from the border and have ayahuasca sessions in the mountains inside some cabins. It's not a life changing thing, but I do agree it's worth the experience. Also, in some people it doesnt take effect, despite taking several rounds, while others with just one can already be crying buckets and talking to God.
There's no way it's only 2-3k
That's not including airfare is it?
an acquaintance of mine went down for 2 weeks.
I would love to do it if my mental health was guaranteed in some way but I worry about potential underlying mental instability and having a psychotic break.
i did this on shrooms already.
my entire life flashed before my eyes.
it was weird because this time we did it all as a group of friends, but when we were all tripping i kept isolating myself from everyone, that's all i remember.
i just remember leaving the room any time someone came into it.
my friends were going apeshit out of their mind and screaming and crying, but my shit was just purely introspective.
i learned a lot about my mental fortitude. it takes A LOT for me to come unraveled even when i'm extremely drunk i'm pretty tame.
I dont if it has to do with the fact that it would be unethical as ayahuasca plants take like 15 years to grow. Also, as far as i know native indigenous from Mexico are legal to use it because they have used it for their rituals since many years ago, while others are supposed not to.
how is xanax, the most over-prescribed and addicting antianxiolitic in the country, legal but something that has never killed someone, has no potential for addiction, and has been used for thousands of years is?
Why do americans have to take psychedelics to realise things everyone else already knows?
>woah dude weed lmao, capitalism, is like, woah, pretty destructive man, woah, dude ayahuasca
>woah dude, shrooms, like maybe racism is bad dude, woah, this is bizarrre!
marijuana is schedule 1 too. saying its on tier with heroin proves you're ignorant on the matter because heroin is a completely different thing that is synthesized from entirely different plants with different chemicals etc etc
you should not speak on matters you know little about
All of those claims are false. Psilocybin is on the same tier as well, both have shown use in neuroscience, have zero chemical dependency and psychedelics are pretty harmless when taken right.
>when taken right
This is why it's illegal. Any illegal drug can be harmless and recreational when taken right, but you can't trust people to actually know what to do with themselves.
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The psychedelic experience is a doorway which leads to a hallway which leads to only what you want to find within yourself.
In other terms, a drug is nothing but a high-yield (fast but not perfect) technique to reach partly what your reason and heart cannot achieve fully in your opinion. If anything, it is a total lack of confidence in your reason and in your abilities to philosophy to be at ease with life; ease which remains unlikely, given that the choice of doing these drugs with the goal of opening your awareness and opening your mind is already a sign of close-mindedness and poor ability to reflect.
>but you can't trust people to actually know what to do with themselves.
yeah you are right. let's just leave those psychs to the black market. that will solve the problem. and just throw every users in jail.
If they truly appreciated the effects of psychedelics they could have a breakthrough experience and never need to touch the shit again. Instead, most keep going back to it hoping to gain more introspection. Psy can only get you do far.
I remember when Matthieu Ricard went to my uni to give talk about the brain modification through meditation, at one point he starts to answer questions from the crowd and this one guy says
>What do you think about who use psychedelics to meditate
i said you were right. butcontrolling the behavior of people is the wrong way to go.
good for him? psychedelics can help treat issues like depression, addiction etc they can give people insight. i get your drift. but you know, people are going to be people
I plan to go to link related by myself this summer. Sounds legitimate and I feel social anxiety wont be that bad if i'm surrounded by tribesmen and other depressed people. What might ruin the experience would be a bunch of stacies and chads going with their friends just to trip on DMT and have sex in the jungle. I'm planning to take the 12 days program seriously in desperate attempts to improve my pathetic self.
Check out Dr Rick Strassman's work on DMT. Though he doesn't guarantee it will cure your depression, it's definitely not a placebo and everyone who's taken the substance has had the same "eye-opening" experience for better or for worse. There are a lot of people like the girl in the link who have had life changing experiences from ayahuasca so it can definately work for some people.
sounds like Latino cockroaches trying to exploit young, dumb, moneyed white people
Ted Kaczynski said that he felt like his life was right when he was living in isolation as a hermit. You could do that without paying thousands of dollars to some grimy scumbag.
Because cynical cunts don't spend $3k to so some retreat in Peru. Only people who are susceptible to that sort of stuff go, hence high success rates.
I wish I were more optimistic.
>sounds like Latino cockroaches trying to exploit young, dumb, moneyed white people
Good. Rich normies can suck my dick, they deserve to waste every penny on dumb schemes like this.
Because that's a waste of fucking money. I don't need to pay obscene amounts of money to go do drugs in an exotic location. I'd much rather just buy online or extract myself, then do it at home, or maybe somewhere outdoors that I feel at peace. Fuck spending money for some faggot in a shithole to "culturally enrich" me. Enlightenment doesnt have to be found in the form of a trendy vacation.
Get ready to puke and vomit a lot if you do that. We have it here in Brazil too, you can either go to certain tribes in the amazon forest or go to the nearest Santo Daime temple if you're in a city.
Also, aside from puking and shitting, It's no different than LSD. My guess is that the entire "git gud" feeling around ayahuasca is what makes the experience better for some people.
It's not like medicine. It's like when you watch a movie, listen to a song or read something that touches you deeply.
Contrary to OP's beliefs it's not like you are going to drink it once and turn your life upside down overnight.
Lol 3k? I hope you mean all cost, as in tickets and hotels and etcs. Dude dont get scammed. One session costs about 50$ (150-200 soles, local currency) at current conversion rates. If you are planning on staying a few days with the healer, then it may go up to 200-250 soles (80$ qprox) per day.
Problem with tourists coming all the way down here to get some ayahuasca sessions is that most of you will get scammed badly. They will feed you some cheap root beverage mixed with mdma and sell you the exp for quite a lot of dosh.
And of course there are some "retirement homes" which are overpriced and they also "sell" a service as a bussiness.
Gotta pay attention to whom you end up choosing to go thru the whole experience.
And to everyone requesting research or proof, you wont find any that will suffice.
Ayahuasca is a very prsonal experience, its very different for anybody that goes thru it. Most ppl dont even get "inside" of it the first time they try it. And when you do, i would recommend it happens next to people you feel you can trust, even if they are new in your life (like the healer would be).
And no, it doesnt change your life. It changes nothing. It gives you a bit (or a lot) of perspective and insight in yourself. Thats it. It wont cure your depression, it wont get rid of your anxieties or personal bullshit. It wont make you a better man/woman.
That depends on what you do and make for/of yourself with the info you gain from the experience.
So in other words you don't get to waste thousands of dollars traveling to a third world shithole, sitting in a hot, humid, dirty shack among bugs and illiterate smelly peasants who haven't bathed in years.