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You're not seriously learning Japanese are you?
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I can understand many words, but I can't write it.

I can't even hope to learn how to write/read moonrunes.
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Why not? It's pretty easy and fun.
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Not seriously, I haven't done my reviews in days
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>>26370523
>I can't even hope to learn how to write/read moonrunes.

Doesn't seem that hard. For japanese you only need to know like 2k kanji, and recognizing the meaning of a symbol isn't that hard(more difficult is writing it from memory).
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>>26370595
When you read a word you look at the whole word, not each individual letter. Should be the same for kanji.
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I am learning to read porn games and translate stuff in the future.
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I wish I could learn Japanese. It would be nice to be able to play untranslated VN's and watch anime raw, but I'm way too stupid to learn a new language. I dropped out of high school for a reason.
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>>26370326
Life would be pretty good if I could into Japanese, could literally play all the weebtrash and not depend on translators or localizers to not completely fuck shit up.
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>>26370672
As an english speaker you will not have to learn any new vowels or consontants in order to learn japanese, which in my opinion eliminates one of the hardest parts about a new language. This also means it's easier to self-study the language since you don't need a teacher to correct your pronounciations.
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>>26370639
Why are the pussy lips so plump looking? Did someone inject them with collagen or something?

The tits are like tumors and shes sweating in weird places, seriously, why is she sweating on her ass and not in that motorcycle helmet?

Also who jumps off their motorcycle, keeps it on, then walks to the living room next to a bookshelf and lets herself get plowed?

It makes no fucking sense is all I'm saying.
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>>26370744
>never heard of puffy vulva
>not liking sweaty bobs
>implying that is a motorcycle helmet

You are not making a lot of sense either
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>>26370326
Who would seriously bother learning this dogshit language?

It's not even reformed into comprehensive, singular meanings per word.
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>>26370820
>I'm too dumb to learn a second language because I can barely even learn my own
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>>26370713
No, I'm sure plenty of English speakers get this wrong.
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>>26370820
>singular meanings per word

Do you realize that not a single language in the world has lots of words that only have a single meaning right? The real problem in Japanese is how many words sound similiar and how the most common words tend to have the most meanings.
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i gave it a try once and got discouraged straight away. it wasn't even the gorillion characters that got to me, but that the grammar was from fucking space.
i'm studying arabic and it's pretty weird but still easier than japanese
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>>26370713
Fuck the non-ascii text rule.
tsu, ra, ri, ru, re, ro, and n are not found in English.
What most textbooks don't tell you, especially the ones geared toward English speaker, is there are inflections in Japanese ame(rain) and ame(candy) actually do have different pronunciations. The hardest part of Japanese is easily the grammar.
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Maybe someday, I just want to watch NJPW
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>>26370889
ta-ni vs tan-i? I'm talking in comparison to eg semitic languages where there's like 12 consonants completely foreign to english.
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>>26370744
>not watching sentai or kamen rider

filthy pleb
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>>26370897
gotta learn arabic for your ISIS training, eh anon?
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>>26370930
Grammar is pretty easy, it's when you try to actually read stuff and find out that all the grammar you just learned means absolutely dick that it gets hard.
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>>26370991
heheheh. i've been at it for a couple years now and i get that a lot :)
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I honestly don't know what to learn desu
burger that had spanish shoved down my throat from an early age so I hate it
french sounds pretty neat, so does german
japanese and chinese just seem like they take forever to learn and no one around me speaks it
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>>26370955
or chinese with the drrrr sounding consonant that no one can ever pronounce
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Baka fagutto bokutachi no autismo
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>>26371024
The hardest thing about Japanese for me is not anything that you read, write, or say. It's what you don't say. Japanese is a very context-heavy language where you leave a lot of details unsaid that you would mention in other languages, and have to understand the full meaning from the context.

That pretty much means you need to understand Japanese culture as well to really grasp the language.
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>>26370326
jisatsu siro kono okama yarou
sageru
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I've already learned Japanese.
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It's on my todo list, for the weeb reasons everyone listed. But first I have to finish learning Quenya and Chinese.

>>26371065
> I honestly don't know what to learn desu

Do you want something useful or just something cool? I picked Chinese because coming world language, and elvish is just cool on its own. Gonna write that shit on my future house's doors made of stone, in a paint that will glow in moonlight.
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>>26371227
Nouryoku wo miseru
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>>26370326
No and thank god for that. When I do learn Japanese it will be after I got Italian and Mandarin under my belt so it isnt such a weeb decision to learn it anymore
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>>26371584
Vai a cagare
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>>26370930
Isn't it "ami" ?
And I thought ami just referred to anything as sweet. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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>these threads
>le original comment
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>japanese
>a real language

We had an exchange student from Japan once. He was ~16.
I had a page which had "my hovercraft is full of eels" written on it in numerous languages.
He looked at it, and had no clue what the hovercraft was full of. Once I looked it up in the dictionary and we could get it in kana he knew immediately what it meant.

In what shit tier language can you not read words phonetically?
I'd bet that most people here could read the word "eel" in english from the age of six. Even if you were fucking stupid.
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>>26372854
>amerifat who speaks 0.8 languages criticizing anyone's language skills
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>>26372854
>In what shit tier language can you not read words phonetically?
English. It's a shit tier language. Writing and pronunciation are totally disconnected from each other. That's why Americans are notoriously bad at spelling and grammar. People who learned English as a second/later language have a far better command of spelling and grammar.
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>>26372854
kanji are suffering

and english uses an alphabet but it's not a phonetic language
you essentially have to memorize the pronunciation of every word ever
>AMERIFATS BTFO
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Why does everyone think that I'm an American?

>>26372953
>writing and pronunciation are totally disconnected from each other.
Words are written as groups of letters that form syllables, rather than letters making discrete sounds like in a real phonetic language. It's still one hundred times easier than an iconographic language.
There is also room for spelling reform, but it's consistant enough that most words can be read without familiarity.
Only a fool, foreigner or a child would have trouble spelling words which they have not encountered.
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>>26370326
id like to learn it so i can visit japan one day

why?
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>>26373164
english spelling rules are completely arbitrary in relation to current pronunciation, there are historical reasons for why english's spelling is so fucked up, mainly being that the printing press came out as english was undergoing a vowel shift
for instance: english has a stress system wherein unstressed vowels are reduced to a schwa but this is completely not reflected in the spelling
and in many cases a single set of letters can produce multiple different sounds
i.e.
rough
plough
cough

amerifats
b
t
f
o
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>>26372850
HAHAHA HOLY SHIT
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>>26373164
You're behaving like an amerifat, that's why everyone is calling you one.

>iconographic language

Japanese is a totally phonetic language with 100% writing <-> pronouncing mapping.
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>>26370326
It's a pretty useless language
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>>26373283
Why don't they drop Kanji if it's totally phonetic?
If it wasn't a shit language, they could do it.
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>>26373244
English is very good when it comes to adopting foreign vocabulary or new terminology(eg scientific terms).
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>>26373244
this is absolutely correct.

the example i like to use is "woman" and "women."
not only does the alteration of the second vowel arbitrarily change the pronunciation of the first vowel, it changes it in a way that no other instance of that vowel goes through.
in a few places, english gets really close to being an analytic language.
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>>26373283
>Japanese is a totally phonetic language with 100% writing <-> pronouncing mapping.
But this is completely wrong since hundreds of kanji have the same pronounciation. There's over thousands of kanjis but only 20 something sounds. Korean alphabet is entirely phonetic I think. Arabic and Hebrew are also phonetic if you write out vowel marks.
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>>26370930
>ra, ri, ru, re, ro
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>>26373344
>English is very good when it comes to adopting foreign vocabulary or new terminology(eg scientific terms).

"I see that sign that says KARAOKE. I wonder how that is pronounced. Clearly it is Kerry-okey. I am a genius."
>this is what amerifats really believe
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>>26373395
I think he means that the r's in japanese are more rolled than in english. The u sound is also slightly different from those appearing in english.
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>tfw japanese is dying out with their population
As much as I'm not fond of their language or culture, it'd be a shame to see something like that lost.
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>>26373413
I'm not even american you fucking retard.
Look at this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg

They can't even write their own kanji. Shit language.
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>>26370326
>Implying
Best girl reporting in.
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>>26373335
You don't need kanji to write things, everything can be done with hiragana. But it's much more practical to read and write using kanji because it's much easier to quickly discern the meaning of words.

>>26373382
It's a complete 100% mapping when using hiragana. Kanji is a different story, it's used to make writing more practical. Pretty much any language, including English, has multiple meanings for the same word/pronunciation. Japanese is no different.
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h-here I go
my Japanese skills in the filename
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>>26373463
>I's a complete 100% mapping when using hiragana
So? English has many phonetic systems aswell.

>Kanji is a different story, it's used to make writing more practical.
Kanji(well the chinese originals) were never used to make things more practical, it was to concentrate the ability to read to a few select people. Alphabets are much more practical in every sense.
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>>26370326
I'm still working on it. I'll move there in a year or two when I'm done with school.
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>>26373451
>Implying there aren't people who can't read or write worth a shit in every country
>Implying that there aren't millions of native English speakers who struggle to differentiate your from you're, or spell words with I and E in them
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>>26373463
It's not actually 100% mapping.
There's some weird stuff with their n character sometimes making the preceding vowel nasal and i and u sounds being occasionally devoiced e in very rare cases, never in controlled pronunciation, but this is nitpicking.
95% is a conservative estimate.
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any you guys know where a begginer novice like me could learn japanese?

are there any good youtube channels that help?
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all I know is that three women is evil in japanese
and that's a pretty cool bit of trivia
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>>26373507
>she is not my girlfriend
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>>26373532
>Implying there aren't people who can't read or write worth a shit in every country
you will be hard pressed to find americans who can't write out the english alphabet that's for sure.
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>>26373577
>He thinks Kanji are an alphabet
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I learned the hiragana a week ago, I'm surprised how easy it was to commit it to memory.
Haven't learned anything else yet though.
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>>26373547
>the kanji for cheap uses the kanji for woman
Lmao
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does anybody know what this symbol means?
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>>26373577
>writing 26 characters is comparable to writing 2 50 character syllabaries and a 400,000 character inventory of kanji
Next on Strawmans Incorporated.....
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>>26373532
Yeah, but I doubt that (excluding a small minority) anyone has trouble with the words 'battle' or 'translation'.
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>>26373605
it means "the pleasure of being cummed inside"
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>>26373591
>He thinks Kanji are an alphabet
No I don't you idiot. That's my entire point, an alphabet is superior to kanji. For fuck's sake.
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>>26373532
Yeah, but there is a difference between writing like: "I went their" and writing "I went afadge".
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>>26373634
c'mon what does it really mean?
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>>26373613
>strawman
you have no idea what you're saying
just stop spewing buzzwords
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>>26373613
So are you agreeing with me that an alphabet is more practical than memorizing thousands of logograms?
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>>26373601
>calling a woman "cheap"in Japanese is equivalent to calling her a slut
L M O A
M
O
A
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>>26373565
well that's true as well
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>>26373605
It has the kanji for mum in it
Use a kanji dictionary and look up all kanji that use the kanji 'haha'

I'm fucking lazy so I'm not finding it for you
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>>26373673
It would be more practical if Japanese didn't have infinity bazillion homophones which only kanji and barely noticeable pitch shifts distinguish between.
But... since Japanese does have infinity bazillion homophones....
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>>26373639
So your logic is that because there are some retards who don't know basic kanji, kanji is worse than an alphabet.
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>>26373715
where can i find a kanji dictionary?
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>>26373651
This.

At least with English, you get a reasonable approximation with a mispelling. Those kanji mistakes in the video were practically gibberish.
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>>26373737
Google 'kanji dictionary'
Or 'kanji using haha'
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>>26373731
Alphabets are much more "user friendly" yes, that's one of my arguments. You have yet to explain in what way kanji are more practical as a writing system.
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>>26373731
phonetic alphabets are easier to learn and quicker to decipher than kanji
the only benefit kanji has is it looks cool and takes up less space when printed
in terms of readability and practical use, alphabets win every time
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>>26373737
Jisho.org
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>>26373605
It's fucking ICHIGO LIKE ICHIGO 100%
do you even remember love?
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>>26373605
ichigo - strawberry
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>>26373605
>>26373737
I think it means mother in law or something. It's hard to tell so many characters that look like this I can't discern it anymore. Maybe root?
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>tfw I wrote aaah E ooo ayyy owe a thousand times each and couldn't memorize the runes
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>>26373382
Theres 40 something sounds.
A,i,u,e,o,ka,ki,ku,ke,ko,sa,shi,su,se,so,ta,chi,tsu,te,to,na,ni,nu,ne,no,ha,hi,fu,he,ho,ma,mi,mu,me,mo,ra,ri,ru,re,ro,ya,yu,yo,wa,wo,n
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>>26370897

What the fucking cucked keks are you talking about? Arabic has grammar from hell, nasara nasran fe huve nasirun etc etc thats literally hell

japanese is way fucking easier in any way maybe except kanji
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>>26373880
>>26373858
Ichigo of-fucking-course. Not that I really need the language but I should have known this basic kanji fuck me. I would have known many variations of it like: lake, swamp, mother, ocean etc. I should have known.
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>>26373943
Not swamp forgot to erase that. I don't really care anymore it's not a language that I need anyway. I studied it a lot as a kid for obvious reasons I guess.
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>>26373930
>Theres 40 something sounds.
The syllables you posted are made up of 5 vowels and 15 something consonants.

>>26373936
>nasara nasran fe huve nasirun
He won a victory so he is victorious. Logical.
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>>26373968
Its a syllabary not an alphabet.
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Of course not. I'm using my free time to learn a useless yuro language plus a code language.
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>>26373451
Why is this happening?
Is it because of like IMEs and computers meaning they never need to write them?
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>>26374045
what languages
I WANT TO KNOW ROBOT DON'T MUTE ME
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>>26374060
>Is it because of like IMEs and computers meaning they never need to write them?
Yeah I think that's what he said in the vid, they are used to typing it and the "auto" feature completes the kanji for them, as opposed to having them write it out by hand from memory all the time.
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>>26373930
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IqjhAQCfug

ore wa hatsuon oishi desu ka?
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I read the labels for toiletries on the toilet for so many years that I can comprehend 90% of what I read in French and Spanish, and not just the toiletry labels.
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>>26374095
Bruh its been like a year since I took one semester of japanese. I can't read words I can barely recognize some in anime. I just remember hiragana and like 1/4th of katakana.
Ore wa is referring to yourself
As far as I know oishi desu ka is asking if something is delicious, thought it was spelt oishii. Never heard hatsuon.
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>>26373451

This doesn't mean anything. I bet you don't know every single word in english too.
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>>26374205
Hatsuon is what google translate says the Japanese word for pronunciation is.

I'm a dirty EOP, don't bully me pls
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Reading your garbage Japanese is just cringe inducing japlets. Give up now, you have no passion to truly make it
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>>26374205

you are correct, it should be spelt "oishii"
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>>26373507
>that feel when no gf
Quit distracting me, I'm trying to get work done.
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>>26374224
So you're asking if your pronunciation is delicious?
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>>26374222
>I bet you don't know every single word in english too.
The words in the vid were extremely basic and in everyday use. Of course I don't know every single word, but I feel pretty confident that if you ask me to spell "battle" I will not write asdijlngasdf(ie complete gibberish not even remotely close to the original word, like in the video).
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>>26374275
hai, anon-senpai ore wa nando genki hatsuon
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>>26373936
it makes more sense to me in every way. VSO still makes more sense to me than SOV. the lack of vowel markers is also annoying, but that's orthography, not grammar.
and don't get me started on consonant-based vowel pharyngealization senpai
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>>26374229
hey i recognise you, you make my blood boil

get out
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>>26374352
This doesn't make any sense stop embarrassing yourself japlet
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>>26374451
It makes perfect sense you stupid JOP.
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>>26370326
I am and I'm pretty good at it so far
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Well yes, but I'm paying huge amounts of money so it's fine
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>>26374497
Learning the hiragana katakana and 50 kanji doesn't mean anything except when bragging to other japlets mate
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>>26374537
What about when trying to read untranslated eroge, does it mean anything then?
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>>26374352
I didn't quite hear the t in tsu. You might have over pronounced fu. Ra ri ru re ro are rolled and I couldn't tell through that recording how well you did it. Wo is pronounced the same as o mostly.

Were you just reading my list or have you taken any lessons at all? Cause an actual japanese speaker would be able to tell better.

Also the grammar in this post is wrong if I remember correctly.

Yes anon(honorific denoting seniority) my question word good pronunciation is what you're literally saying but I'm sure theres a much better way to say it. From what I learned your name goes first and i generally omitted due to context, and the verb goes last with ka if its a question sentence. I'm not enough of a linguist but I guess you used a sentence fragment and I am not good enough to judge your grammar.
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>>26374537
Are you this guy >>26374537 and getting angry that people are learning japanese for free while you're paying thousands of dollars?
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>>26374597
I was just reading your list, I watched a couple of nama-sensei's videos awhile back if that counts as classes.
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>>26373271
How did that got accepted as an orijinaru kommento?
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>listen to idolmaster music a lot
>thought it would be nice to learn japanese because of it
>grew into strong liking of the language because it sounds beautiful + nice looking alphabet + 2dqt
>start learning
>give up a few weeks into it because I do literally fucking nothing with moonrunes besides idolmaster music
>few weeks later get the urge to start again
>have repeated this cycle 6 or 7 times

I want to learn the language, but I have zero fucking use for it. I don't see the point of spending 4 years of torture on anki if I will never even use the language so I keep giving up
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>>26374083

German and Python.
I'm not american.

>>26374284

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1ahJsDNDTQ

Could you spell that shit?
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>>26374597
and I wasn't asking a question, I was saying I made many energetic pronunciations desu senpai
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>>26374582
Well it's better than most japlets, I'll give you that. Try read some novels next, once you get used to the grammatical structure and vocab in those you'll be really starting to get good
>>26374603
I don't pay any money, I get paid to speak it given that I live in Japan
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>>26374650
>Could you spell that shit?
For the third fucking time now, the words in the video were basic shit like "battle", which can be found in every newspaper multiple times. How fucking often do you see the word iridocyclitis in a newspaper article?`If you don't understand the difference then you're retarded.
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>>26374691
You can't say nando to just mean many, japlet. You also can't just shove raw a noun in front of another and expect it to make sense. You also don't have a verb in your sentence, which by definition makes it incorrect in Japanese
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>>26374633
I took a class. I haven't heard of nama sensei, but i think anything is better than me trying to correct in text a vocaroo file of pronunciation. Even if I'm a senpai it doesn't mean I'm qualified to teach anything.
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>>26374650
>Could you spell that shit?
A. How often in one's life do they come across that word?
B. Most people would get close enough that it could be read with context. The kanji's drawn by people in the video were complete gibberish.
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>>26374716
By the way, I forgot to mention it but the word iridocyclitis is spelled just like how it sounds, so I think I would've been able to spell it actually, and I'm not even a native english speaker.
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>>26373541
Since you'll easily find all the other guides channels etc. here's a obscure but great one from me

>Easy Languages Channel on YouTube

its not only for jp, ger eng sp etc. everything is in there
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>>26373791
The android app is also great, it has also a kana table
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>>26374648
Look you made the right choice, if you have no passion there's no point in pretending you'll actually learn it. I know quite a few kids from back in the day who have been learning it for years but still suck absolute dick and can't even carry out a normal conversation or read instructions on food items. Why don't they just give up?
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>>26371665
You're wrong
jisho.org
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>>26374789
xXThanksXx
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>>26372854
In Japanese its possible to understand most or the entire sentence without being able to actual pronounce it. In English you have to memorize the pronunciations of many words and if you don't know a few words in the sentence you're completely fucked unless you look them up.
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>>26374735
I don't care, I've accepted I will never talk nipanese.
>>26374752
>I haven't heard of nama sensei
And the torrent isn't even on /t/ anymore.
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>>26374095
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IqjhAQCfug

Not bad, great actually! though you maybe could improve the sounds ending with a >u
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>>26373515
When you can read even 25% of the kanji, Japanese becomes MUCH easier and quicker to read.
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>>26374858
This was the other way around.
He knew the word's pronunciation, but not the kanji.
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anybody know what this symbol means?
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>>26374892
>The more kanji you learn the easier it becomes to read
Thank you sensei for this secret knowledge.
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>>26374939
By itself it means something like perfect or complete
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>>26374892
This, reading in kana only is hell.
>>26374939
End
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>>26374909
Usually those designs with a ton of languages on them are google translated. It was probably just a really rare kanji. Plus he was also a high schooler. You continue learning kanji pretty much right up until you graduate
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>>26374940
The point was that when you know the kanji its easier to read than when it is all written in kana
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>>26370326
>download that genki shit
>start reading
>ask myself what the heck I'm doing
Just gonna learn sign language instead maybe I'll try to learn nipponese some other time
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>>26374957
It was a printout from the Omniglot website. I'm not 100% sure, but it at least appears to go well beyond the scope of Google Translations.

I've looked it up since too, it isn't a joyo kanji.
That if anything highlights my original point, that the Japanese language is a mess.
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>>26374858
>and if you don't know a few words in the sentence you're completely fucked unless you look them up.

Not really. English words usually have some etymology to them, and in many cases you can guess what a word means even if you have not seen this specific one before. If it's in a sentence then it becomes even easier because then you can guess by context aswell. Guessing what an unknown kanji is outside of context is impossible though.
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anyone want me to draw their waifu?

Japan = Anime

This is relevant.
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>>26375132
Heyyy its Minako/Hamuko or whatever. She's awesome. I should finish persona 3 at some point.
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>>26375132
Draw Akiha.
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>>26375080
>Its not a jouyo kanji

Well then no shit he wouldn't know it. It was probably a kanji that hadn't been using in any writing for nearly 60 years and isn't studied. A 16 year old isn't going to be reading a lot pre-turn of the century literature
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>>26375194
>It was probably a kanji that hadn't been using in any writing for nearly 60 years and isn't studied
>60 years
Meanwhile 1000+ year old texts in semitic languages are read and understood on a daily basis. kek.
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>>26375132
draw ryuko
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>>26375229
No average speaker of a modern language can read 1000 year old texts without studying. Kill yourself retard
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>>26375186
>>26375241
First come, first serve.

Give me a sec.
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>>26375263
>No average speaker of a modern language can read 1000 year old texts without studying
Arabic and Hebrew speakers do it every day you mad weeb.
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>>26375132
draw suguri
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>took a japanese course my freshman year of college
>did alright
>teacher said I had really good pronunciation
>2 years later
>want to take another course before I graduate
>don't remember much
>drop by /djt/
>in the span of a week relearn everything I forgot
>one month later I now know more kanji than people that took 3 semesters of college japanese
>going to start reading soon
Feels good man.
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>>26375263
Hebrew in Israel is taught as a first language.
Czechmate
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>>26375241
seconded ryuko best girl best girl ryuko best girl pls draw ryuko best girl ryuko draw best ryuko best girl
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>>26375301
American Japanese classes, especially ones that use Genki, move EXTREMELY slow. The volunteer classes I took in Japan were far better than any of my college classes. The only good thing Genki does is force you to learn kana quickly. So many other English language textbooks are filled with fucking romaji
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>>26375194
We read Shakespeare in High School and he has been dead for more than a century.

It seemed weirdly written, but it was still understandable.
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>>26375301
People who take college classes generally suck dick. You can NEVER get good at a significantly different language just by going to a class 4 hours every week. It's pathetic and some days I even feel bad for the idiots who think they're magically going to get good because they go to class
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>>26375314
Israel isn't a real country
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>>26375385
It'll be the same thing with Japanese.
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>>26375374
>>26375389
I'm glad DJT made me realize that. I was one of those people who thought they could git gud at the language with class and anime alone. Now I'm doing Anki every day and its really cool being able to recognize kanji in raws and weeb-posts.
Like, I've still got years before I'm fluent, but just being able to recognize a handful of kanji here and there, and the amount I recognize growing with each day, makes it so much fun to learn.
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>>26375132
>>26375175
>>26375186
>>26375241
>>26375281
>>26375361
First one done
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I took 3 years of Japanese lessons and went to Japan. It's been 4 years since I've spoken or written the language and I've forgotten 60% of it.
Learning a language is useless if you're not going to have the ability to use it.
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>>26375550
I love it, I love you.
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>>26375614
IT'S NOT LIKE LITERATURE EXISTS
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>>26375614
Only lessons is just throwing away money
>>26375510
Don't give up m8, I'm at the point now after 3 full years where japs ask me if I was born in Japan or not, it's the best feel I've ever had.
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>>26370326
I'm pretty good. It was useful for getting a co-op with Honda :^)
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>>26375550
are you drawing ryuko?
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>>26375132
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>>26375675
How do you study grammar? I know a shit ton of vocabulary through anki, so I can understand most conversations. But when the topic veers away from anything besides introductions and bar talk I can't keep up the facade
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>>26370326
Fluently bilingual, married to a Japanese woman, lived here a decade now.

Yes, you can learn it.
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>>26375675
It was free lessons. Started in high school then my mom's old friend. My mom used to be an English teacher over there back in the day before she became a professor. She became good friends with some of the ladies. They even used to send me clothes and toys when I was a baby.
>>26375656
There's nothing I want to read in Japanese though? I don't even like an I'm nor manga. I didn't learn Japanese because I'm a weeb.
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>>26375793
Play video games untranslated
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>>26375809
Not interested in that either. I was actually interested in the culture and wanted to live over there and study for a while but that didn't happen.
If I watch something in Japanese I can understand most of it still though. I just can't write it as well or read Kanji as well.
A few months ago I started studying it again and majority of it came back to me but there's just no point now.
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>>26375786
I don't know your current grammar level so to speak, but first off I would purchase either the Try! Series or the kanzen master series n1/2 textbooks and learn all that. From that, you just need to start reading, depending on your current level either manga or novels. Start with manga if you like then get reading real big boy books. It'll be tough at first but you'll certainly come across new grammar/expressions through them as well.

Then you just have to try and use them in conversation, but honesty half of the grammar you learn you'll never use and nobody else will use it either.

>>26375792
If you're in Kansai lets go out for lunch today, i have the day off work and shot posting on 4chan is boring
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>>26375738
>>26375731
>>26375632
>>26375550
>>26375361
>>26375299
>>26375299
>>26375281
>>26375241
>>26375186
>>26375132
There ya go, I will do a few more if anyone wants any.
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>>26375786
Also make good use of the example sentences function of websites like jisho.org to try and get a feeling of in what situation people actually use that grammar etc
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>>26376021
I can understand a lot of Japanese in context, my main problem is production of grammar
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>>26375890
At work in Tohoku I'm afraid.
Least I have a 4 day weekend coming up.
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>>26376101
I'd recommend getting texts that teach grammar, practice writing sentences, and if you can, have a native check them. Helped me a lot.
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I am. Almost done with Flyable Heart. Not sure what to read next though. FH is pretty easy now
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>>26376101
Production is 100% practice through trial and error, emulating what you've heard and read until you get a good feel for how you can use words/grammar points

>>26376113
How's life like up there? I've heard everybody thinks Osaka is just made up of criminals and is really dangerous
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>>26376208
I like it, but I prefer rural environments. Even the cities feel less crowded.

Osaka is nice, but I don't think I could take a Kansai summer.
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>>26375792
how did you meat her?
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>>26376278
She is the daughter of the yakuza boss he was working for to pay off his pachinko debt.
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>>26376278
>>26376295

Match.com. Met and dated a few women, but it didn't work out. One could have been TOmoko from Watamote of a robot, I swear.

Then I met wife and it worked out. Dated two years or so, then got married.
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>>26376257
I'm planning on moving into the countryside, every time I've been on trips I've loved it. Also the Kansai summers do kill me. I'll actually be marrying my jap girlfriend in a couple of weeks (at least signing the papers) and getting that sweet spouse visa. Living the dream
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>>26376295
Orijinaru
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>>26375907
If you don't mind, I'd love a drawing of Maria.
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>>26376348
Yeah, even in winter Totkyo is such a hot nightmare I keep hoping that I can keep my job up here.

Congrats, we're just paper married too, we'd rather spend our money on having kids than a big ceremony.
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>>26376420
A man after my own heart. What are you currently working as? At the moment due to visa stuff I'm just working at a gasoline stand but I'm looking around and I'm probably going to have to bite the bullet and go eikaiwa.
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>burgers learning Japanese
>not just learning Finnish instead

vaikuttaa aika pahalt ylikompensoinnilta kun pitaa opetella kuuriimui :DD ette varmaa ees puhu mitaa muuta ku englantii

hiroshima voi kans tunkee pollansa hanuriin kun ei anna kirjottaa "non-ascii text"

sorry
>tfw your native language is utterly useless so you try to make up for it by shitposting about it daily
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>>26376587
Trade. I have my N1, and I ended up getting this job through a friend of a friend basically.

Eikaiwa isn't bad, pay isn't great, but it can be a lot of fun.

>>26376640
I got a work Email through a group address that was in Finnish, I was surprised the "T." was a real thing.
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There are so many Japanese books that I'd be interested in reading, bu it's just too hard. I'll settle for translations.
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>>26376679
Got my N2 will do N1 middle of this year. If I do manage to get a nice job I'm certain it'll be due to some networking, but I'll probably have to teach English at least for a little while
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>>26370713
You must be joking. You need to learn the proper 'u', 'f', 'w', 'r' or you'll sound like an idiot.
>>26373422
The Japanese 'r' is a tap somewhere in between the English l and r.

>>26371161
Not culture, but you really have to get used to the spoken language. The sentences are very open-ended.

>>26373335
>>26373463
>>26374892
Its hard to explain, but it is easier and somehow more satisfying reading kanji. The "multiple pronunciations" is an absolute nightmare when it comes to on-yomi. Just try looking kanji up by reading and you'll see what I mean.

>>26373451
>>26374060
It's much easier to recognise kanji that it is to write them. IMEs are a major problem, but if you say that in Japan you'll sound a bit like an old woman worried about "the way the youth are these days"

>>26374352
You sound so sarcastic, cause that's the only way you'd call someone "sempai" and then refer to yourself using "ore" in the same sentence.

I have no idea what you were trying to say though.
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>>26376876
Japlet detected
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>>26372854

Oh man, it's ironic you say that japanese isnt phonetic because it's the same thing with English.
You dont always pronounce things in english as it is written. English is a language where you have to HEAR others say the word in order to know how it's pronounced.

Off the time of my head, "google" has the oo as a "ooh" sound, while "door" has the oo as an "oh" sound.
There's better examples out there, but it's so fucking stupid and broken.. I notice this because spanish is my native language and it doesn't have the problems english has. Spanish has tidles on top of vowels so you know how it's pronounced and which words need a harder/softer sounds. You literally pronounce it how it's written. No deviations or exceptions.

Bash japanese all you want, but don't name English as an example of a better language.

inb4 tacospeak, etc.
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I just got the N3 certification.

Then I got Lasik. Now I can't fucking study without my eyes burning. Kill me.
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>>26377134
Should have stuck with glasses. Now you can't achieve the intellectual look.
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>>26377724
You can just wear fake glasses
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>>26377922
>fake glasses
You are not serious, right?
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>>26377933
Japanese girls wear them all the time
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>>26378073
>Attractive Asian woman with cute glasses.
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i learned it through school, stopped for a while after coming back from japland but am thinking of getting back into it.

my mother is virtually fluent, she would love to teach me anytime i want.

should i keep going? i can already speak and write at like a 6th grade level of understanding.
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>>26370326
Yes I am. I even tell other people about it. I'm just being myself.
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>>26376876
I think of the R as part L, part R and with that little sharpness that a D sound gives. apperantly its the same in spanish so they find it easy
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>>26372850
It's so accurate. How can this be?
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Nah, I learn Italian like a good white person
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>Shitposting about Japanese here because the mod banned you from /a/
JUST
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>>26379891
I wish the most helpful information wasn't posted on /a/. It should be on /int/. I've been coming here since high school, started studying Japanese in high school, (I graduated in 2006) and literally found out about djt like 6 months ago. Luckily most of the big stuff I discovered independently, but it sucks I was missing out on such a huge treasure trove of untranslated material.
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>>26370672

Whyd you drop out man?

if your not 23 itd not too late, also fuck GEDs
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>>26378992
>Take Japanese for 4 years in high school, 4 years in college, and have lived in Japan for 3 years
>Nobody every understands me when I ask for melon soda
>Take some volunteer lessons, and the lady says to not pronounce it like an r but pronounce it like an l.
>Never have a single problem ever again ordering melon soda

Why the fuck didn't anybody over all those years ever fucking tell me?

Anyway are there any good youtube videos explaining it more in depth. All Japanese is fine. I know L isn't best but apparently its way better than R
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Too hard tbhonest
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You'll never learn Japanese without WaniKani. Use the coupon code "wanikani heart textfugu" to subscribe for only $5 a month.
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>>26375907
>>26375550
>>26375132
did you take a shit and called it a drawing? baka
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>>26375132
what the fuck is this LOL
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I don't really see a point in it beyond being able to play certain video games that were never translated Nobunaga's Ambition comes to mind. I'd love to play a Japan version of Romance of the Three Kingdoms VII.

Japan itself does not interest me beyond videogames and the Sengokujidai, and I doubt there's much a market for a scotchirish man in the history department of any... oh right. Well, yea no point in me going to Japan beyond brief tourism.
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>>26370326
I'm not going to need Japanese for anything in my life probably. If anything, I'd want to get better with my Spanish or French for now. Why the hell would I need a language for one tiny island which dosen't even have Japanese as its only language?
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>>26375132
Nekomata From Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne would be wonderful, given a sort of Noir vibe.
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>>26370326

>family looks at me like smug pepe whenever they ask me how my japanese is going

b-bakatachi yaro!
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>>26370326
I practice 200 kanji a day.
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>>26381852
You can go to Japan and never need any Japanese. But 99.9% of people struggle to say much more than "This is a pen"
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Because I'm learning Spanish which I'm never going to use.
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>>26380400
that is a very high res dekinai, where did you get it?

>>26381286
can't you stop shilling this garbage service for just 1 day?
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>>26380317
>Take some volunteer lessons, and the lady says to not pronounce it like an r but pronounce it like an l.

So you were learning Japanese for 11 years and never realized this?

I call bullshit.
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>>26373164
>consistant
:^)
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>>26374511
>Learning Japanese at uni
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>>26383046
Literally no one ever corrected me.
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>>26374716
Can't be bothered to watch the vid again because I saw it a while back, but i'm pretty sure the 'battle' that they asked them to write was an academic version that no one would ever use.
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It just naturally occurred to me. A few years back I wanted to play Neptunia mk2 but could only find the Japanese version here so I decided to try learning Japanese and play it.
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>>26383130
At least I didn't write 'conwpfkjaowf', because spelling has a some correlation to the pronunciation.
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