Who wins, /r9k/?

>>26330867
Goku.
Super Saiyans get stronger every time they fight, thus as an Alien himself, he'd be stronger than Kal El.

>>26330867

Superman because he's demonstrated he can fly so fast that time itself goes backwards which would allow him to kill Goku when he's still an infant.

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Who would win?

Note: It takes place in a Ladder and Chair factory and Samurai Jack don't wan no trouber

>>26330988
If that was true then he'd be the strongest DC superhero and nobody would ever be able to fight him because he'd go back in time and kill them as infants. Shut the fuck up.

Goku jobbed to a fucking laser gun, he's not even a grade D Superman villain tier

Supes and its not even close.

A good portion of the Justice League could handily take down Goku even at his most powerful.

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Is Goku(pbuh) stronger than Allah?

>>26331025

Get reckd dbzfag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjgsnWtBQm0

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>>26330867
Batman obviously

>>26331025
>if that was true

But he DID go back in time, it's not fan fiction. Why wouldn't he do it again?

Goku supporters
>He is consistently faster and stronger than 99% of depictions of Superman

Superman supporters
>IN ONE COMIC ONLY PUBLISHED DURING A BALL-WASHING CONTEST IN KENTUCKY IN 1973 IT WAS CLEARLY STATED THAT SUPERMAN IS FASTER THAN FASTNESS AND CAN PUNCH GALAXIES INTO THE FIFTH DIMENSION, HERE LOOK AT THIS PICTURE OF SUPERMAN BENCH PRESSING INFINITY ITSELF IN AN OBSCURE ONE-OFF COMIC WRITTEN BY A COMPLETE HACK, THEREFORE THAT IS SUPERMAN'S CANONICAL AVERAGE POWER AND HE WOULD DEFEAT GOKU BY FIRING BLACK HOLES FROM HIS EYES

Goku > Superman

The only people who defend Superman are people who don't like DBZ (fair enough but irrelevant) or who never watched it and assume Goku is "some strong guy who fires energy blasts." Goku is almost god by the end of DBZ.

>>26331101

>IN ONE COMIC ONLY PUBLISHED DURING A BALL-WASHING CONTEST IN KENTUCKY IN 1973 IT WAS CLEARLY STATED THAT SUPERMAN IS FASTER THAN FASTNESS

And yet, in another comic he gets beat by Batman or some other low level faggot. They conveniently forget that

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>not Imperfect Cell, Impaler of kikes

>>26330867
Superman because he wouldn't get gravely injured by frieza's peons ring laser like super saiyan god Goku

The fights dumb anyway as goku can just collect all 7 dragon balls and wish for Superman to never be born where at the the same time Superman will just turn back time.

>>26331077
>Why wouldn't he do it again?
Because in every comic and movie that's been released, he hasn't done it again.
I'm quite sure Goku would blast him right the fuck out of the sky anyways because he won't be able to achieve the speeds while dodging.

>>26331127
Exactly.

In 99/100 depictions of Superman, he struggles to lift average-sized objects and is generally outrun by any high level speedster. In quite a few depictions, he's actually surprisingly fucking weak. But once in a blue moon some idiot writes that he can move the universe by blinking, and that's all Superplebs pay attention to.

>>26331101
>>26331127
>>26331176
All of these.

Superman is written so inconsistently. One minute he's a literal god and the next he's a glorified augmented human.

>>26331171

It was in the original superman movie, it's pretty fucking canon. Also, that's a shit argument. The US never nuked any countries after nuking Japan, that doesn't mean they can't do it.

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>Can jump from the moon and back to earth
>Practically invisible when he fights any opponent
>Goku and Super Man die from his punch because they're not human

>>26331066
The movies aren't canon, you faglord.

Superman would still win though.
So could Captain Atom, Martian Manhunter, the Flash, Plastic Man, and Firestorm

>>26331250
You can call anything canon with Superman. His fanboys just cherry pick all the reasons why no one can beat him, in the same fashion batfans do.

>>26331250
The thing is superman doesn't get any stronger, super saiyans do. And Goku isn't human. Saiyans are the superior race.

At max power, superman. Superman has lifted eternity and infinity.

Philosophically, superman. Superman has no limits, goku can break any limit but has them.

Superman is bullshit, written to win no matter what, given new superpowers whenever the writers feel like it, absorbing infinite energy from a finite source, hearing things in a vacuum, flying hundreds of thousands of light years in minutes. Goku has to get stronger in a way that makes sense.

One punch man MIGHT be as bullshit as superman. Chou Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann might have surpassed enough limits to be the only trained anime to beat superman. But superman is bullshit.

>>26331277

Has an upper limit been shown on Saitama? I've only read the Manga, not the webcomic.

He could be God in human form or just a regular planet buster.

>>26331292
Superman does get stronger, the closer he gets to the sun the more asspull powers he gains.

Google All-star Superman

>>26331293
>forgets that Superman receives his strength from the Earths atmosphere, once he leaves Earth he's useless
lmao

Saiyains can battle on any planet.

>>26331313
he is limitless
anime saitama literally tanked a black hole gravity being put on his chest

>>26331316
So basically a weakness. As I said here >>26331331
Without Earth and the Sun, he's useless.

>>26331293
Simon at the end of TTGL is omnipotent

>>26331279

>The movies aren't canon

Still can travel through time even if you were right about the movies not being canon since in the DC Comics Presents issues #1-2 (August-October 1978) titled "Chase to the End of Time" both Superman and the Flash demonstrated they can travel through time if they move their bodies at a fast enough speed.

>>26331331
Goku can't breathe in space. Superman gets his powers from any star that's not red.

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>>26331313
Saitama so far is pretty much limitless when it comes to his strength. DBZfags will deny this fact to the death though. The only things that Saitama can't beat are mosquitos, domesticated cats, and King

>>26331025
if he's flying so fast time goes back how is he supposed to follow them back in time?

unless he's just vibrating really fast, or is he like traveling light years or something?

>/co/mblr actually believes their gary stu can win

>>26331316
All-star Superman isn't canon, you dingbat.

>>26331331
>>26331353
It's not Earth's atmosphere that's important, it's its yellow sun which are all over the universe. Not to mention it takes a long time for his powers to drain.

>>26331387
this so much
I remember seeing a comicvine thread were they said raditz could defeat saitama
ridiculous
saitama can probably kick a black hole

>>26331239
I also wanted to mention all of those posts.

People just kept slapping on additional powers onto Superman to fit whatever bullshit story they were putting out on that month's or week's comic. At one point he had the ability to reshape his facial muscles to change his appearance and had psychic abilities.

His original powers didn't even include flight, he could just leap over skyscrapers and run as fast as a 1930s train.

>>26331250
>movies
>canon

ehhh no not really, especially when those movies came out 40 years after the original comic book.

>>26331398
>calls Superman a gary stu
>claims Goku can beat him

>>26331402
Superman strength isn't limitless as he got his ass handled to him by Cythonna

>>26331373
Thats what I said. Except he rejects godhood. But he can break the universe by punching it, makes an object the size of the observable universe through willpower to energy to matter conversion, has only used half his power at that point, broke a meter that read exponential growth, and his powers grow exponentially not linearly, so he has an infinite limit.

>>26331402
All-star isn't canon but him getting stronger the closer he gets to the sun is.

>>26331447
He rejects it because of the Spiral Nemesis
The intro of the first episode is actually a non-canon Simon that used his powers and became the Spiral Nemesis

>>26331313
He "broke his limiter"
if there is a being more powerful than saitama, he won't get killed, given how breaking seems to work. essentially a saiyan on maximum overdrive and completely unable to get hurt.

>>26330867
The winner is whoever the writer wants to win, you dumbass

>>26331473
I know. However he's so OP he could beat the spiral nemesis event. Like I said He already made an object the size of the observable universe without it collapsing into a black hole. He just doesn't want to get in the way of other people's futures by bringing people back to life and keeping them alive.

>>26331398
So you're saying Goku isn't a Mary Sue character? This question doesn't even matter, they're both poorly written characters that power level faggots pine over all day

>>26331127
>gets beat by Batman or some other low level faggot. They conveniently forget that


You do realize that Batman has kryptonite in his belt, right?

Superman because his power level is fundamentally broken. This coming from someone who doesn't like Superman with the exception of the Smallville tv show (because he wasn't broken) and who loves DBZ (even GT).

>>26331566
Batman is bullshit too. He outdrew a god in a gun duel.

>>26331566
and Goku, who is personal friends with some of the smartest scientists on earth and omniscient galaxy-watchers, wouldn't be able to get some or just wish for some with Dragon Balls?

>>26331610
Superman could do what piccolo daimao did to shen long.

And I say this as a huge DBZ fan, Superman would win.

>>26331610
Goku doesn't like to fight opponents when they're weak. Screw Attack was on point when they made Goku destroy the kryptonite in the first fight. And yet Gokufags want to take Goku's character for their own and make him out to be the kind of character who would bring a knife to a fist fight.

>>26331700
I like how canonically speaking Goku and Superman would become bros

>>26331640
sure he could, he could also suck his own dick while travelling through time, point is that Kryptonite would be easily available for Goku

>>26331064
allah doesn't exist

>>26331700

THIS.

It's fucking Goku, no shit he'd help Superman away from the Kryptonite and say 'I want to fight you at your best.' And you know why that is?

BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING GOKU.

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>>26331700
I'd also like to add how the ending of part 2 to the Goku vs Super Man fight done by screw attack was bull shit. Goku didn't have to have his brain fried in order to lose. Although Goku loves to fight, he knows when he's beat. The Battle of Gods movie confirms this.

>>26331700
>>26331686
>>26331587
>>26331293
>>26331281
The smart people know that superman is too bullshit and that makes him shit. Goku is a better character. Superman would still win though.

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they made gokus face look retarded in that picture

>>26331805
True but it's death battle. Someone must die. Quite the obnoxious rule.

>>26331806

Well of course, the man of literal invincibility would win.

Anyone who has watched DBZ knows for damn certain that there is absolutely no situation where Goku would accept beating a weakened opponent. He gave Frieza a senzu bean for fuck's sake.

>>26331805

Also this.

>>26331738
My point was he couldn't get kryptonite from a dragonball wish. He also wouldn't. He'd fight superman at his strongest, get his ass kicked, train, fight again, win, and wish everyone who died in the collateral damage and training time back to life.

>>26331878
>He gave Frieza a senzu bean

I think that was Cell.

>>26331944

Ah yeah fuck you're right, bit tired. Hell that adds more support to the 'Goku would lose' position.

Rather he gave his energy to Frieza, a similar gesture nonetheless.

>>26331971
Goku also liberated Buu from babidi along with reincarnating him.

>>26332031

Goku suffers from pathological altruism.

>>26331971
>>26332031
Don't forget he stopped Krillin from killing Vegeta

who the hell actually fucking cares, whoever wins you still doesn't have a fucking girlfriend

>>26331700
>>26331750
>>26331878
>>26331937
>>26331944
>>26331971

but you all know that Vegeta would show up and shove Kryptonite up Superman's ass and say something ONLY -I- GET TO DEFEAT KAKAROT AND SUCK HIS DICK, especially if this is a life or death situation

goku doesnt get cucked by green rocks

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>Superman is capable of lifting 15 quintillion tons
>Superman is capable of living inside of the sun and it in fact makes him even stronger
>The only being faster than Superman is Barry Allen, a man who can travel through time, outrun death itself, and literally become a component of the concept of "gotta go fast"
>The drag created by his self-propelled flight through space can tow planets in his wake
>He has in fact moved multiple planets at once to prevent their destruction

>>26330867
Objetively, Goku would obviously win, unless this is a question only for fans of both characters.

>>26333300
>but he's deathly allergic to St Patricks Day rocks and his greatest villain is an alternate-reality Steve Jobs

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Hard to say because comic power levels vary with the writer's affinity for ass-pulls

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>>26333518
It's a shame Goku doesn't have a kryptonite kamehameha or a bald head then, he's fucked. Superman would literally vaporize him any way he saw fit

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This guy wins it

>>26333525
exactly, at least with Goku and the entire DB universe their powers and power levels have remain consistent, at least compared to what Superman has gone through since the 1930s

>>26331805
Screw attack was also bullshit because Superman did not lift the book of infinity. Bth Superman and Shazam had trouble and could barely lift it. It was Ultraman that lifted tthe book and read it

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Okay Doomguy vs. Masterpleb

>>26333697
Doomguy probably wins with any plasma weapon. Doomguy probably has a slight edge in speed.

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Is there a single character who could last longer than an attosecond against the Flash?

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>>26333607

See:

>>26333079

if this was the original Golden Age Superman before he was re-imagined by every jobbing alcoholic writer out there, he would lose to Goku.

>>26333748
His speed is one of his best assets actually. If you actually calculate it out a bit using in-game logic, he's insanely bizarrely fast.

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>>26333773
saanic the hegehog

>>26333783

Can't Doomguy run like 70mph straferunning? In the EU Spartans are faster than missiles and have enough reflexes to dodge some bullets, but in the games they're slower than shit covered in molasses

>>26331033
What the fuck are you talking about mate?

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>>26333773
>Why yes that is a large galaxy that is the size of his foot.
>And yes he does have missiles that can hit everypoint in space around him 10 seconds into the future through 8 seconds into the past.
>And yes his main weapon is the size of the observable universe.
>And he's barely at half power.

>>26333840
The fastest SPARTAN could run at 80 kph.

>a hearty saiyan warrior who can go toe-to-toe with the god of destruction
vs
>a "superhero" who was beat by just some rich guy in a bat suit

gee i wonder

>>26333879
The rich guys suit had to have kryptonite in it. I've also seen superman get his ass kicked by basically the hulk, and also his heart stopped beating from electricity.

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>>26333856
Very charming.

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>>26333780
All-Star Superman (By Grant Morrison, far after the golden age) is the one who can lift 200 quintillion tons. Grant Morrison is a current writer who DC considers an authority in their lore. 200 quintillion tons of pressure is enough to wipe out galaxies; They had to create a space where the laws of physics allow for the measurement of his power to be possible just to determine this.

Goku struggles with villains who take 30 minutes to wreck a planet and eventually moves on to villains who can wreck a planet pretty easily.

>>26331277
OPM is awesome because it addresses everything that makes superman retarded

Superman acts like a massive pretentious faggot, as if he's got real problems. OPM actually is a normal person

>>26333984
So you're saying even that thing lasted longer than an attosecond.

>>26333773
So he can perceive events that last for less than attosecond, while in the same fucking sentence he just said that he thinks at the speed of light. Flash is full of shit, or the event that he "perceived" doesn't reach his brain until much later.

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Everyone is going "muh soopermern vs gerkur" but no one is paying attention to poor Saitama.
It's funny when you realize there is something Saitama can't kill in one punch. He can't punch an existential crisis.

>>26333773
No.
Infinite Mass Punch, Speed Steal, and his speed are God tier. Zoom is the only character that can compete but that's only because his ability is the most OP there is without reaching celestial level.

>>26333984
>>26334025
Goddamn no wonder I prefer marvel to dc and batman out of dc. Dc is fucking bullshit.

>>26334025
I know thanks for ignoring my point that Superman's writers just shoehorn whatever power of the week that they feel like adding to him.

It's Golden Age or nothing.

>>26334152
DC is like the kid on the playground who refuses to lose when you're playing tag or play fighting. He always ass pulls some special rule as to why he can't lose, and then quits if you don't let him play by his own bullshit rules.>>26334163

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Came here to end this thread faggots

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>>26333879
The only time Supes gets beaten by Batman or Lex are when he shows them mercy, which is every time, and he still usually wins.

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>>26331073
HULK SMASH!

>>26331391
u wot m8?
original

>>26334208
Powerman is shit. Shiki can kill him.

>>26334208
i believe in power man

>>26330867
>Sword of Superman
>Superman thought robot
>Superman Matrix

God wants superman to always win.

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>>26334124
Can saitama even beat arc gurren lagann in a one punch contest? Arc gurren lagann's "space-time shattering burst spinning punch" literally broke a whole in the vacuum of space.

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>>26334420
Hard to say. And to be honest, nobody except ONE knows how strong Saitama is exactly. All we know about Saitama so far is that one day he broke his limiter and essentially became "limitless" in his own universe and now he has what appears to be limitless power and invincibility (to anything that's not a domestic cat). And what the extent to those abilities are haven't been shown yet since Saitama's never had to go all out in the fights he's been in so far.

>>26334208
What are his conflicts? None? That makes him even worse than Saitama.

>>26333616
OPM would probably only be as strong as Raditz or a Saibaman.

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>>26331146
>tfw i pretend to be cell when i drink my protein shakes to achieve my perfect form

>>26336010
Don't even start you mother fucker.

Goku is LITERALLY
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A GOD
HE CAN PUNCH SO HARD THAT THE UNIVERSE FUCKING COLLAPSES
AND YET FAGGOTS STILL THINK SUPERMAN COULD BEAT HIM
NIGGA PLS DOOMSDAY KILLED SUPERMAN AND HE'S JUST A BITCH NIGGA, NAPPA WOULD EVEN GIVE SUPERMAN A RUN FOR HIS MONEY

>>26331025
that's the problem with comparing the power levels of comic book characters. There's so much stuff in there that if you took it all as canon then most of them are gods

>>26336618
And even if every character became a literal god, they'd still find a way to have Batfag be undefeatable. He's more asspull than Superman, and that's saying something.