Who else /think "pharma douche" is actually a pretty

It's his medicine. He can sell each pill for a billion if he wants to. Why should someone be forced to make his product cheaper anyways? Because muh feels?

>>26296132
I believe the American healthcare industry should be more socialized like most European countries. Hospitals should be non-profit, there should be legal limits on how much pharma companies can charge for their drugs, doctors should earn less but the state should pay for their education, the whole 9 yards.

It is pretty funny how conservatives have gotten their panties in a twist over Shkreli. It's like... this is how you think the world should work.

>>26296132
People hate him because he's an immoral asshole. Just because what he's doing is legal doesn't mean he's not a dick for doing it.

people do what he does all the time and have been throughout history. he's just like them and he's taking heat for it, openly.

he probably slow-killed a lot of people though by hiking it up so high to make a big profit.

>>26296415
>>26296663
You two don't get it. This shit happens ALL THE TIME. Why is this one guy getting all the flak? Because he's open and honest about something that happens every day. It's literally the very system that fucks people over all the time acting like he's an immoral asshole. He's a threat to the system that rapes society every day, only because he's open about the raping.

This guy is literally a hero.

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>>26296132
martin shkreli did nothing wrong.
I completely support his actions.

>>26296132
He's an actual creeper who cyber-stalked one of his former colleagues and that colleague's family. That's crossing a line.

>>26296780
>some serialkillers never get caught so it's wrong to tell a known serialkiller in his face that he's a bad person
You can be an edgy contrarian all you want. Doesn't change that I think the dude is a dick.

>>26296189
It's sad to see medicine divorce morality nigga. When it's something that isn't life saving, then you have a point, but when people die because of greed, there's a fucking problem.

>>26296780

because the other people weren't dumb enough to openly come out into the public like he did?

You guys realize there are generic alternatives, right?

He is mentally ill. Only cucks and stupid whores look up to him

>>26296840
You can think he's a dick. Doesn't change the fact that he didn't do nothing wrong.

>>26296961

he didn't do anything wrong under the capitalist profit system, but pills aren't really a good, they are kind of a necessity.

imagine if you hiked up basic food to $500 per meal, that's basically what he did to people that depend on that drug to stay alive.

>>26296841
>talks about morality
>wants to save fags and fornicators
top kek

>>26297002
There are alternative those people can take they just want the name brand drug.

>>26296225
>hospitals should be non-profit
Then where is the incentive to provide better care than competing hospitals? Overall quality would drop because each hospital would only have to be 'good enough' instead of striving to be the best/specializing as they do now.

>legal limits on how much pharma companies can charge for their drugs
Less profit from selling new cures = less resources allocated to the development of new cures.

>doctors should earn less but the state should pay for their education
Doctors earn less so now there is less incentive for genius+ people to become doctors. The average quality of doctors goes down as these genius+ people head into other fields to make their millions and no longer innovate new surgical techniques etc.

America has highest quality healthcare system in the world. Powerful/rich people the world over come to American hospitals because America has the best doctors and techniques. The American healthcare system is only the best because it is for-profit.

left-leaning parasite LA Noire-rzr-unloaded.jpg

>>26297002
There are alternatives that are much cheaper.

>>26296961
*doesn't change the fact that I think he didn't do anything wrong
"doing something wrong" is completely subjective. I think he did something wrong. You don't.

This is not math or science. There is no correct answer here. There isn't even an actual problem here. Just a difference of opinion.

>>26297019

do the alternatives work? is it really just a matter of wanting the "iphone" brand of the drug rather than the "android"?

your life doesn't depend on having an iphone though.

>>26296132

>you're not entitled to anything in this life, nothing is guaranteed, life isn't fair

>how dare this guy raise the price of a medication this much? That is disgusting!

I don't get normies.

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>>26297002
why do we have a responsibility making sure people have necessities?

why does he have any sort of responsibility of keeping people alive?

>>26297039
of course the alternatives work

these people want Advil instead of generic ibuprofen

>>26296780

DUDE! yes, this is my issue with this situation. Why are people mad at this guy and not the system that allows it.

>>26296132
>Either this guy did nothing wrong because capitalism, or we should be a socialist
false dichotomy

>>26296132
My theory:

Niggers are the main contributor to HIV and only being 13% of the US population they're 60% (more or less, at least over 50%) of all HIV cases.

White liberals go woahh these niggers are already poor, you can't do that. As niggers are unable to think for themselves they have no concern because they're not paying for it. Us taxpayers are.

Well maybe not you robots, but us cyborgs are. So liberals are doing their superior race thing and conservatives are trying to stop the needless spending.

IMO if I didn't have to pay for it, i'd say jack that shit up and let all the degenerate scum of the earth parish in their own puss and troubles.

>>26297028
I meant illegal which isn't subjective but sure.

>>26297047
This.
>make a product
>people become dependent on it
>therefore you should lose all control of your own goddamn product
Yeah nah. Their fault for getting AIDS, Shkreli can do what he wants, it's his drug.

I'd fuck over anyone if it meant I didn't have to live the shitty NEET life I have now. Good for him.

>>26296189
>Because muh feels?
Yea pretty much.

Either that or like Op said or patent times should be lower so generic versions can be made sooner.

>>26297002
They are scum anyway, let them die. Unless it was an accident or malpractice let the rotten sexual organs fall off of those who were so stupid as to not use protection

>>26297090
I already said >>26296415
wrong =/= illegal imo
but in your opinion it is, which is fine

>>26297047

and that's why people think he's a dick.

he bought out the company who was selling the drug before at competitive rates to keep the patent on the drug and sell it for 5000% the previous price.

if the alternatives truly work, then it really shouldn't be a problem to switch but considering the fall out im going to guess that the alternatives don't have the same patent as this drug and therefore is not as effective.

it's not wrong to turn a profit by creating something new and useful, what Martin did is just robbing from a cornered group of people.

>>26296415

Whats immoral about what he did and why are you an authority figure on morality?

>>26297126
>robbing
No.

>>26297126
That's the pharmaceutical industry for you. I have type 1 diabetes, and I'm a slave to whatever expensive shit Novo Nordisk and friends pump out.

>>26296132
>>26296780
>this guy is a hero for making life saving medicine unaffordable

>trying this hard to be edgy

>>26297060
OP is happy the system allows it. Didn't you read his post? If the system didn't allow it then it would be too much like communist china!

>>26297023

>Overall quality would drop

But thanks to that, whole population would have an access to medical service. Who cares about quality of treatment, when a lot of people don't have a chance to benefit from it?

>Less profit from selling new cures = less resources allocated to the development of new cures

So naive. How old are you, kiddo?

>America has highest quality healthcare system in the world

Aaand, that's why USA are turning into a second-world country. Seriously, visit Europe sometimes. Travels broaden horizons.

>>26297156

again, if the alternatives have the same compound as this drug that got hiked up, it shouldn't be a problem at all.

but im going to guess that it does not, because the company most likely holds a patent on its exact formula/compound that makes the drug effective.

i hope that the alternative drugs do work for the sick people because nobody can make this guy reduce the price of the drug short of government intervention.

>>26297126
yea
it's not a very 'compassionate' thing to do
but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to do it

also
the drug is a Dihydrofolate reductaser inhibitor, it stops a certain enzyme from allowing cells to divide, others exist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrofolate_reductase_inhibitor

>>26296132
People are only mad at him because of the media. Protip, the things that he did happen all the time, but NOW people are butthurt. He's the new Cecil. The masses are fucking gay.

capitalism, not even once famalamadingdong

>>26297212

i said here

>i hope that the alternative drugs do work for the sick people because nobody can make this guy reduce the price of the drug short of government intervention.

honestly i think the guy just hates people with HIV and wants them to die.

>>26297191
His customers signed their own death warrant by contracting HIV to begin with. He's offering them a few more years, for a price. When he bought the company, he thought the price was too low, which it was. Life is a valuable commodity that people will pay a lot for.

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>>26297242

i don't think anyone willingly "signs their own death warrant" and contracts HIV on purpose.

that said, what he's doing is insignificant because there are much better alternatives.

http://www.hightimes.com/read/marijuana-may-smoke-out-hivaids

>life is a commodity

commodity - a raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.

top kek m8

>>26297187
Go ask a doctor about socialized medicine. It fucking sucks.

>>26297187

Not even the guy you are talking to but damn why can't people who identify as leftists/socialists just be shot on the spot.

Here you have this mad person arguing the benefits of a drop in the quality of healthcare provided to people.

He is here arguing that we should drop the quality of healthcare so more people can get access to healthcare.
Why cant these people just die off

Every time I see a thread about this guy I mention that his demeanor and over-the-top flippancy seem like some sort of act, as if he's drawing attention to himself to protect others from scrutiny.

Does anyone else feel like that? he's cartoonish.

>>26297296
>i don't think anyone willingly "signs their own death warrant" and contracts HIV on purpose.
>Haha whoops I fell ass-first onto fifty dicks!
Come on now. HIV is completely avoidable if you aren't a mongoloid.

>commodity - a raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.
Autism.

>>26297335
He needs to travel more and broaden his horizons but he's just a kiddo so forgive him.

>>26297348

did you just call yourself autistic? "commodity" was your word, not mine.

anyway, the whole reason companies can get away with charging whatever they want for their drug is because the Federal government keeps Marijuana illegal which cures a lot of shit.

Republicans = they are all for big Pharma lobby.

that's why i gotta vote for Dems.

Medfag here

You realize that other corporations have put out identical alternatives that are 1/10000th of the cost

Also he is facing charges of stalking and CP and fraud and blackmail or something

>>26297348
Pretty much this.

My bad, I accidently a heroin needle.

>>26297187
>he seriously honest-to-God thinks that pharma companies do not make massive investments into R&D
>calls other people naive while sticking to his hopelessly outdated socialist fantasies about how the world works

>>26296887

Generic drugs aren't always the same (functionally) as the name brand.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/business/generic-ritalin-drug-not-equivalent-to-the-brand-is-in-use-anyway.html?_r=0

http://fortune.com/2013/05/15/dirty-medicine/

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2015/07/16/more-drug-recalls-from-india-do-you-trust-foreign-made-generics/

>>26297388
>DUDE WEED LMAO
>GOTTA VOTE DEMOCRAT
how does it feel to be a stereotype
to be a living meme

shkreli should replace the pills with cyanide t b h

>>26297142
How many times do I have to repeat myself to you? I know this is /r9k/ so you people aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but this is getting ridiculous: Morality is 100% subjective. I am not an authority figure on morality. Nobody is.

You know why I think it's immoral: because I personally believe that if a person makes the choice to trade sick people's lives in for making even more money then they already are, then that makes you a selfish dick. That's all there is to it: if I would do this I would feel sick about myself. That's the whole thing about morality: it is subjective. I think it's wrong. You don't. You will never convince me and I will never convince you, because there isn't a correct answer to convince anyone of.

Yes, I know what capitalism is and I know that what he's doing is perfectly legal. That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply saying that I -like a lot of other people- think he's an immoral dick. Why do you idiots like you always have this weird notion in their head that all your opinions are facts and everyone who has a different opinion then yours just doesn't get your reasoning?

I'll repeat it one last time before I have to go: this is SUBJECTIVE. You can argue until the cows come home, but none of us are "right" or "wrong". That's not how this type of stuff works. It isn't math or science. It is opinion-based.

>>26297419

>Ranbaxy whistleblower reveals how he exposed massive pharmaceutical fraud

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ranbaxy-whistleblower-reveals-how-he-exposed-massive-pharmaceutical-fraud/

>>26297403

People are stupid. As soon as he made the pill $750 a person who isn't a stupid marxist would have figured an alternative would be created at a fraction of the cost.

>>26297425

you are so mad t b h

>>26297439

I don't think morality is subjective. I think some form of utilitarianism is going to end up being the the correct moral philosophy.

It's self evident that suffering is bad because you can't even define "suffering" without using "bad" or some synonym thereof.

I don't know why people are losing their shit about this guy unless they actually have toxoplasmosis (which they can apparently buy it at a cheaper cost). I bet he loves it

>>26297492
What? Why would I be mad? Are you one of those low-IQ instachat tweeter tumbler niggers that migrated here recently?

Actually price gouging is illegal depending on the state.

>>26296132
Honestly I think he's a complete asshole but he didn't do anything against the law, he was perfectly within his rights.

>>26297522

you are mad because i exposed how delicate the big pharma lobby is and how it hinges on keeping marijuana illegal at all costs in order to continue gouging as usual.

you are absolutely livid, i bet you have a little bit of saliva dripping at the corner of your mouth right now that you forgot to wipe in the throes of your rage for me.

>>26297425
>DUDE YOU WALK ON YOUR FEET AND SHIT
>YOU BREATH AIR
how does it feel to be a stereotype
to be a living meme

those things have nothing to do with each other lol you are so fucking dumb its funny as shit.

If he was like dirty, had shitty fucking hair, smoked weed, and listened to bob marley he would be a stereotype. To smoke weed and vote democrat isn't to be a stereotype.

>>26297403
Exactly that.

>>26297296
Look up bug chasers

That's a whole god damn new world if you haven't heard of it yet.

>>26297496
>I don't think morality is subjective. I think some form of utilitarianism is going to end up being the the correct moral philosophy.

If this was any other board I would be 99% sure this was bait, but seeing that this is /r9k/ I'm willing to bet good money that you are being serious.

I visit this board for maybe an hour and this place is already giving me cancer.

He didn't lower the price because of the people, although they were a factor. It's just no insurance company was going to pay his cost so it would have been exclusively a rich person deal.

His profits would have dropped to the floor and he knew it would have. If insurance companies won't pay for your shit, you're fucked.

>>26297590
>>26297584
>>26297581
Why are you people even here?

>>26297607
To show you how fucking stupid you are? Is this a trick question?

>>26296132
I don't like him, but it should be noted that the same pill was sold for 1$ from another company.

>>26297607

to tip your fedora ofc, and by fedora i mean your toupee that covers the bald spot that is your skull.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI9jywQ4cgc

>>26296132
>implying common sense anti-monopolistic policies are Communist
Ya I forgot how much of a Communist Teddy Roosevelt was

>>26297640

nice bait. "was" being the key word here, they sold it for $1 per pill until that company got bought out and now its $5,000 per pill.

Free market and morality are not the same thing.

People have always had a problem with people rising to the top while stepping on everyone along the way. It's like businesses that use overseas sweatshops filled with children to do their work for them.

Yeah it's technically legal but that still makes you an asshole.

Anyone see his interview on the Breakfast Club? It's amazing how everywhere you read they are calling this guy a monster. I wish he was my mentor.

https://youtu.be/JTNOWSKMS10

>>26296780
Your morals are not the same as others cucky

Iceland forgives it's people of debt and jails the bankers for fucking with the economy.

'Murrica keeps on sucking their dicks while eating their shit and saying "we have the best in the world!"

Christ US has some dumb fucking citizens. Do you guys also think Fuedalism was fucking amazing and we should go back to being serfs?

Libertarians and Republicans, just come out and say you would enjoy a return to feudalism. Whats hilarious too, is you morons support people who make way more money than you and you're nowhere near their income bracket.

True fucking morons until the end...

>>26297590

I am being totally serious.

Suffering is self-evidently real, and I see it as synonymous with "evil". Therefore evil objectively exists, therefore immorality objectively exists.

If you want to define "evil" as something other than suffering/that which causes suffering/etc. then we're talking about two different things.

>>26296961
>You can think he's a dick. Doesn't change the fact that he didn't do anything illegal
ftfy

>>26297761

>Do you guys also think Fuedalism was fucking amazing and we should go back to being serfs?

Marx said feudalism was exploitation--and that capitalism replaced exploitation with brutal exploitation.

>>26297884
Marx also was a neet who leeched off his friend's dad's factory profits so

>>26297761
So you think we should support other people in our own income bracket because they are in our income bracket?

We should all just be communist right?

shkreli is my hero

>>26297916
except this meme has already been disproved he worked as a writer for one

Just don't get aids my dudes.
That wouldn't happen if you weren't a faggot.
I'm kekking along with this guy and the shitstorm he's kicked up.

>a socialist, controlled-capitalist country like COMMUNIST CHINA

>>26297101
To be fair, patents themselves are interventionist, although if they didn't exist, medical research would be in the shitter

>>26298811
>o-only gays have aids!!

did i take a time machine back to the 80s?

>>26297607
not every robot is a piece of shit human being senpai

>>26297388
Kill yourself weedfag

>>26297739
This week he's been streaming live debates and just general shit that he does with his day. So far no one has been able to prove why they shouldn't like him on stream.