Who else /think "pharma douche" is actually a pretty cool guy irl/?
What happened to the free market, repubcucks? Either this guy did nothing wrong because capitalism, or we should be a socialist, controlled-capitalist country like COMMUNIST CHINA.
I loved how he stuck up for his rights at the congressional hearing, which was really just political theatre. Toppest keks.
I believe the American healthcare industry should be more socialized like most European countries. Hospitals should be non-profit, there should be legal limits on how much pharma companies can charge for their drugs, doctors should earn less but the state should pay for their education, the whole 9 yards.
It is pretty funny how conservatives have gotten their panties in a twist over Shkreli. It's like... this is how you think the world should work.
You two don't get it. This shit happens ALL THE TIME. Why is this one guy getting all the flak? Because he's open and honest about something that happens every day. It's literally the very system that fucks people over all the time acting like he's an immoral asshole. He's a threat to the system that rapes society every day, only because he's open about the raping.
This guy is literally a hero.
martin shkreli did nothing wrong.
I completely support his actions.
>some serialkillers never get caught so it's wrong to tell a known serialkiller in his face that he's a bad person
You can be an edgy contrarian all you want. Doesn't change that I think the dude is a dick.
It's sad to see medicine divorce morality nigga. When it's something that isn't life saving, then you have a point, but when people die because of greed, there's a fucking problem.
he didn't do anything wrong under the capitalist profit system, but pills aren't really a good, they are kind of a necessity.
imagine if you hiked up basic food to $500 per meal, that's basically what he did to people that depend on that drug to stay alive.
>hospitals should be non-profit
Then where is the incentive to provide better care than competing hospitals? Overall quality would drop because each hospital would only have to be 'good enough' instead of striving to be the best/specializing as they do now.
>legal limits on how much pharma companies can charge for their drugs
Less profit from selling new cures = less resources allocated to the development of new cures.
>doctors should earn less but the state should pay for their education
Doctors earn less so now there is less incentive for genius+ people to become doctors. The average quality of doctors goes down as these genius+ people head into other fields to make their millions and no longer innovate new surgical techniques etc.
America has highest quality healthcare system in the world. Powerful/rich people the world over come to American hospitals because America has the best doctors and techniques. The American healthcare system is only the best because it is for-profit.
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*doesn't change the fact that I think he didn't do anything wrong
"doing something wrong" is completely subjective. I think he did something wrong. You don't.
This is not math or science. There is no correct answer here. There isn't even an actual problem here. Just a difference of opinion.
>you're not entitled to anything in this life, nothing is guaranteed, life isn't fair
>how dare this guy raise the price of a medication this much? That is disgusting!
I don't get normies.
why do we have a responsibility making sure people have necessities?
why does he have any sort of responsibility of keeping people alive?
Niggers are the main contributor to HIV and only being 13% of the US population they're 60% (more or less, at least over 50%) of all HIV cases.
White liberals go woahh these niggers are already poor, you can't do that. As niggers are unable to think for themselves they have no concern because they're not paying for it. Us taxpayers are.
Well maybe not you robots, but us cyborgs are. So liberals are doing their superior race thing and conservatives are trying to stop the needless spending.
IMO if I didn't have to pay for it, i'd say jack that shit up and let all the degenerate scum of the earth parish in their own puss and troubles.
>make a product
>people become dependent on it
>therefore you should lose all control of your own goddamn product
Yeah nah. Their fault for getting AIDS, Shkreli can do what he wants, it's his drug.
and that's why people think he's a dick.
he bought out the company who was selling the drug before at competitive rates to keep the patent on the drug and sell it for 5000% the previous price.
if the alternatives truly work, then it really shouldn't be a problem to switch but considering the fall out im going to guess that the alternatives don't have the same patent as this drug and therefore is not as effective.
it's not wrong to turn a profit by creating something new and useful, what Martin did is just robbing from a cornered group of people.
>this guy is a hero for making life saving medicine unaffordable
>trying this hard to be edgy
OP is happy the system allows it. Didn't you read his post? If the system didn't allow it then it would be too much like communist china!
>Overall quality would drop
But thanks to that, whole population would have an access to medical service. Who cares about quality of treatment, when a lot of people don't have a chance to benefit from it?
>Less profit from selling new cures = less resources allocated to the development of new cures
So naive. How old are you, kiddo?
>America has highest quality healthcare system in the world
Aaand, that's why USA are turning into a second-world country. Seriously, visit Europe sometimes. Travels broaden horizons.
again, if the alternatives have the same compound as this drug that got hiked up, it shouldn't be a problem at all.
but im going to guess that it does not, because the company most likely holds a patent on its exact formula/compound that makes the drug effective.
i hope that the alternative drugs do work for the sick people because nobody can make this guy reduce the price of the drug short of government intervention.
it's not a very 'compassionate' thing to do
but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to do it
the drug is a Dihydrofolate reductaser inhibitor, it stops a certain enzyme from allowing cells to divide, others exist
i said here
>i hope that the alternative drugs do work for the sick people because nobody can make this guy reduce the price of the drug short of government intervention.
honestly i think the guy just hates people with HIV and wants them to die.
His customers signed their own death warrant by contracting HIV to begin with. He's offering them a few more years, for a price. When he bought the company, he thought the price was too low, which it was. Life is a valuable commodity that people will pay a lot for.
i don't think anyone willingly "signs their own death warrant" and contracts HIV on purpose.
that said, what he's doing is insignificant because there are much better alternatives.
>life is a commodity
commodity - a raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.
top kek m8
Not even the guy you are talking to but damn why can't people who identify as leftists/socialists just be shot on the spot.
Here you have this mad person arguing the benefits of a drop in the quality of healthcare provided to people.
He is here arguing that we should drop the quality of healthcare so more people can get access to healthcare.
Why cant these people just die off
Every time I see a thread about this guy I mention that his demeanor and over-the-top flippancy seem like some sort of act, as if he's drawing attention to himself to protect others from scrutiny.
Does anyone else feel like that? he's cartoonish.
>i don't think anyone willingly "signs their own death warrant" and contracts HIV on purpose.
>Haha whoops I fell ass-first onto fifty dicks!
Come on now. HIV is completely avoidable if you aren't a mongoloid.
>commodity - a raw material or primary agricultural product that can be bought and sold, such as copper or coffee.
did you just call yourself autistic? "commodity" was your word, not mine.
anyway, the whole reason companies can get away with charging whatever they want for their drug is because the Federal government keeps Marijuana illegal which cures a lot of shit.
Republicans = they are all for big Pharma lobby.
that's why i gotta vote for Dems.
You realize that other corporations have put out identical alternatives that are 1/10000th of the cost
Also he is facing charges of stalking and CP and fraud and blackmail or something
>he seriously honest-to-God thinks that pharma companies do not make massive investments into R&D
>calls other people naive while sticking to his hopelessly outdated socialist fantasies about how the world works
Generic drugs aren't always the same (functionally) as the name brand.
How many times do I have to repeat myself to you? I know this is /r9k/ so you people aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but this is getting ridiculous: Morality is 100% subjective. I am not an authority figure on morality. Nobody is.
You know why I think it's immoral: because I personally believe that if a person makes the choice to trade sick people's lives in for making even more money then they already are, then that makes you a selfish dick. That's all there is to it: if I would do this I would feel sick about myself. That's the whole thing about morality: it is subjective. I think it's wrong. You don't. You will never convince me and I will never convince you, because there isn't a correct answer to convince anyone of.
Yes, I know what capitalism is and I know that what he's doing is perfectly legal. That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply saying that I -like a lot of other people- think he's an immoral dick. Why do you idiots like you always have this weird notion in their head that all your opinions are facts and everyone who has a different opinion then yours just doesn't get your reasoning?
I'll repeat it one last time before I have to go: this is SUBJECTIVE. You can argue until the cows come home, but none of us are "right" or "wrong". That's not how this type of stuff works. It isn't math or science. It is opinion-based.
I don't think morality is subjective. I think some form of utilitarianism is going to end up being the the correct moral philosophy.
It's self evident that suffering is bad because you can't even define "suffering" without using "bad" or some synonym thereof.
you are mad because i exposed how delicate the big pharma lobby is and how it hinges on keeping marijuana illegal at all costs in order to continue gouging as usual.
you are absolutely livid, i bet you have a little bit of saliva dripping at the corner of your mouth right now that you forgot to wipe in the throes of your rage for me.
>DUDE YOU WALK ON YOUR FEET AND SHIT
>YOU BREATH AIR
how does it feel to be a stereotype
to be a living meme
those things have nothing to do with each other lol you are so fucking dumb its funny as shit.
If he was like dirty, had shitty fucking hair, smoked weed, and listened to bob marley he would be a stereotype. To smoke weed and vote democrat isn't to be a stereotype.
>I don't think morality is subjective. I think some form of utilitarianism is going to end up being the the correct moral philosophy.
If this was any other board I would be 99% sure this was bait, but seeing that this is /r9k/ I'm willing to bet good money that you are being serious.
I visit this board for maybe an hour and this place is already giving me cancer.
He didn't lower the price because of the people, although they were a factor. It's just no insurance company was going to pay his cost so it would have been exclusively a rich person deal.
His profits would have dropped to the floor and he knew it would have. If insurance companies won't pay for your shit, you're fucked.
Free market and morality are not the same thing.
People have always had a problem with people rising to the top while stepping on everyone along the way. It's like businesses that use overseas sweatshops filled with children to do their work for them.
Yeah it's technically legal but that still makes you an asshole.
Iceland forgives it's people of debt and jails the bankers for fucking with the economy.
'Murrica keeps on sucking their dicks while eating their shit and saying "we have the best in the world!"
Christ US has some dumb fucking citizens. Do you guys also think Fuedalism was fucking amazing and we should go back to being serfs?
Libertarians and Republicans, just come out and say you would enjoy a return to feudalism. Whats hilarious too, is you morons support people who make way more money than you and you're nowhere near their income bracket.
True fucking morons until the end...
I am being totally serious.
Suffering is self-evidently real, and I see it as synonymous with "evil". Therefore evil objectively exists, therefore immorality objectively exists.
If you want to define "evil" as something other than suffering/that which causes suffering/etc. then we're talking about two different things.
>Do you guys also think Fuedalism was fucking amazing and we should go back to being serfs?
Marx said feudalism was exploitation--and that capitalism replaced exploitation with brutal exploitation.