White Fembots

>Do you think having lots of partners makes sex less meaningful?
Yes
>Do you think women should wait to have sex?
Not until marriage, just until you're in a serious loving relationship in which you can practice safe sex
>Do you think sex should only happen with men you love?
Men you love who also love you back.

I'm personally moderately conservative about sex, but I don't care what others do. I have gad sex with one person while we were months into a relationship. I am conservative-ish for health reasons and because I found out that I personally don't like sex much.

I don't think that having lots of sex partners makes sex more meaningful. I don't believe that sex has an inherent meaningfulness.

I would recommend that all people wait until they are at a stable time in their lives with a stable partner before having sex. Rushing into things seems to end too often in stds or pregnancy. Girls especially need to remember how thirsty men are and that they should not wantonly indulge that thirst.

I refuse to have sex with someone I am not in love with and deeply committed to. They must also be disease free. But I wold not impose my will upon others.

>>26277750
>But I wold not impose my will upon others.

Don't worry, I'm quite happy to do that instead.

Degeneracy cannot be fought with lily-livered lethargy.

>Do you think having lots of partners makes sex less meaningful?
Absolutely

>Do you think women should wait to have sex?
Until marriage or you think you found someone you truly are in love with and wouldn't regret it in the future.

>Do you think sex should only happen with men you love?
Yes. I'd like to lose my virginity to someone I'm in love with and vice versa

>>26277589
>Do you think having lots of partners makes sex less meaningful?
Depends on the persons.

>Do you think women should wait to have sex?
Only until one finds the right person. I had sex with my husband before marrying him because I had proof he was going to keep his word anyway.

>Do you think sex should only happen with men you love?
If it's for free, yes, and only if he loves me too, as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise I want to gain something tangible out of it like money or highly valuable goods since pleasure alone is often not something guaranteed for me. The only way to have guaranteed pleasure and orgasms is to masturbate to my favorite sexual fantasy.

To my daughter I'd recommend to do what I did, save sex for the man you're going to marry but masturbate all you want while you're still screening out men, ignore real guys - fall in love with fictional characters and masturbate to them, read all the smut you want, create all the smut you want, indulge yourself in your imagination and in the imagination of other women like you. That way you'll be satisfied and happy and you will grow confident of what you like and what you don't want without putting yourself in danger with a man who might just be wanting to use you and throw you away.

>>26277589
> yes
> sure, but only until you're 100% ready.
> yes

Very few girls will admit this, but I will.

Giving your body to a man who you think loves you, only to have the relationship break up a couple of years later will kill you inside. You'll always think back on everything you "let" him to do to you, with the expectation of being together forever.

>>26278054
>To my daughter I'd recommend to do what I did, save sex for the man you're going to marry but masturbate all you want while you're still screening out men, ignore real guys - fall in love with fictional characters and masturbate to them, read all the smut you want, create all the smut you want, indulge yourself in your imagination and in the imagination of other women like you. That way you'll be satisfied and happy and you will grow confident of what you like and what you don't want without putting yourself in danger with a man who might just be wanting to use you and throw you away.

I love this advice. More girls need to be able to realize that they don't need a man to fulfill their sexual needs. It was certainly a healthy thing for me and it kept me from doing stupid shit.

>>26278118
If a guy is serious about you he will loudly declare to everyone he's going to marry you and introduce you to his family as his future wife.

>>26278118
I gave a guy a hand job once because he begged. I was trying to be nice. It still makes me feel disgusting all these years later and I haven't given in to male begging since.

Never give them an inch. They will never be satisfied.

>>26278200
HA

You sound just like us

>>26278200
>Never give them an inch. They will never be satisfied.

On the contrary, they'll get what they want and then call you a whore afterwards. So glad I found my husband, he's half-Italian and Catholic, only mildly religious but he really believes in level of decency that both men and women should be held too, he is very /pol/ too.

>>26278225
Yep. There's equal disgust between both sides I think. Lots of people who post here have had bad experiences.

Despite that, though, I don't hate men. I just think you guys need to find a way to cool your sex drives.

>>26277589
This comic is the #1 reason you can assume every single "attention whore" callout post is projection to the highest degree

>>26278143
This is absolutely retarded, and just engenders degeneracy. It's as bad as the 2d VR waifu fags on /a/.

It's an uncomfortable topic, but what needs to happen in the family is teaching your kids to be able to distinguish destructive sexuality from healthy sexuality.

>indulge in and develop whichever fetish you want with no exceptions, and fuck men!

Can obviously give rise to problems later in life.

>>26278281
> I just think you guys need to find a way to cool your sex drives.
You should watch me cool off my sex drive.

>>26278281
>Despite that, though, I don't hate men. I just think you guys need to find a way to cool your sex drives.

I don't think porn is healthy, that's the problem. Look at the sort of stuff the porn industry, mainstream porn industry produces now: "White teen whores rimming black ass #10" etc.

Is that healthy?

>>26277589
The levels of retardation and disingenuous bullshit coming from females is so gross.

>>26278318
Then don't watch porn. I don't understand why it is hard for men to just fap to their imagination or not fap at all. Men are driven to weird porn by their insatiable sex drives.

>>26278281
>>26278318

A sure fire litmus test for men is to ask them to give up porn for you. If they refuse, you can pretty much rest assured they're poor husband material.

Almost all of my personal and sexual problems tie back to porn. Extremely hard habit to kick.

>>26278393
I wouldn't ask my partner to give up porn for me because that strikes me as selfish of me. But I would want him to be ABLE to give it up and ABLE to control himself.

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>>26278393
>Almost all of my personal and sexual problems tie back to porn. Extremely hard habit to kick.

Are you male or female?

I've managed to kick the habit, with the occasional relapse but only to more softcore stuff. Porn is literally controlled by Jews and seeks to warp your mind.

>>26278143
I was a Sephiroth fangirl. I ignored all the sketchy men wanting to prey on a teenage girl because beautiful, beautiful Sephiroth was the only one for me. He'll always be dear to me.

I remember all the shit teenage girls got for saying they wanted to be with Edward Cullen rather than real boyfriends when Twilight was at its peak of success.

I'd rather my daughter be with Edward Cullen in her daydreams than with the average real guy. Edward Cullen is a bunch of words on paper and a picture on the screen, I can explain to her the difference between the fantasy and reality easily (without insulting or belittling her tastes which is what too many too often do) and give her advice on how to use her preferences to better her sex life in the future, when she's married. A real guy would be far harder to keep at bay and far more dangerous.

Too bad most people don't want to engage in conversation on sexual topics with their daughters so they just blame an innocent inanimate object instead.

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As a guy, moderate to good looks are stomped out by a bad personality

For me, my interest criteria is
> good/ decent looking, definitely not fat
> has some kind of sense of self/ goal for the future
> insane imagination
> prefers that deep soul-to-soul sort of bonding
> introverted, self-conscious, feeling alone in the world/ like everyone is too inauthentic
> doesn't fuck > ~2 guys a year, legit only concerned with finding "the one"

No one I've met even comes close. They put up an "I'm different!!!" front, but it doesn't take more than 10 seconds around them to tell just how empty and vapidly mindless they are.

>>26278425
Fidelity isn't selfish. Being "able to," and actually doing it are the same thing.

You don't want your father's daughter watching porn at night. Fuck that.

>>26278480
One thing that's forgotten now is that girls used to be brought up with a genuine and realtalk understanding of male sexuality. They were taught "what men were like" by their fathers and mothers. The lengths they go to and lies they tell in order to get sex.

In the age of universal equality, you can't really do this anymore.

>>26278458
>Porn is literally controlled by Jews and seeks to warp your mind.
Yea I know, I know. It is.

http://www.news24.com/xArchive/Archive/Porn-the-new-weapon-of-choice-20020330

>>26278425
>>26278393

Depends on the porn, depends how often it is, depends on their standards/ sense of boundaries.

More likely than not the porn will just make them more horny, and immediately seek you out, and be way more into it. If a guy finishes to porn while he has a nice gf (who matches in sexual libido/ activity), that would be means for a split. If the girl is actually not interested in sex, she may as well move on and not judge the guy for him seeking out something she isn't offering/ holding up her end of.

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>>26278571
Good.

The concept of "if it feels good, do it" came from another Jew: Herbert Marcuse. That's where this whole idea comes from that if something makes you feel sexually good, it must be good for you.

That's a lie.

>>26278480
You need to be there for your kids, so they have you as a reference to rely on, instead of corporate media.

Obviously this can go wrong in numerous ways, but that doesn't change the fact that a "hands off" approach is basically just like throwing your kids to corporate America and saying "Here. You teach them about sex and relationships."

>>26278561
My dad taught me this. Told me that men are all pigs or snakes. Told me they would all lie to get what they wanted and get bored of me. He's a great dad, I love him very much.

>>26278458

Jesus Christ.

How can anyone call contemporary America "puritanical" and keep a straight face?

It is literally the most degraded, degenerate civilization to ever exist on planet earth.

>>26278616
Don't focus too much on the jews. Yea, it's a problem. But they're the dealer, we're the druggies. They're not forcing this shit into our lives and society. We take it willingly. So the solution is firstly and essentially in our own hands.

>>26278647
Your dad sounds like a real hard ass girl. You've gotta quit letting him control your life and keep you in chains. Loosen up and have some fun. It's your life to live, not his. What's your number?

>>26278296
>distinguish destructive sexuality from healthy sexuality

Healthy sexuality is what makes you feel good, gives you orgasms and doesn't cause you diseases or makes you end up accidentally pregnant. All masturbation and masturbation aid material falls into that category, smut fiction especially and sexual fantasies especially - if something's not your fancy you can just put it down and choose something else.

Destructive sexuality is whatever act makes you uncomfortable, gives you the bad kind of pain, gives you diseases or makes you end up accidentally pregnant. Unprotected sex, drunk sex, unsafe sex, sex with a man who doesn't love you, drugs, prostitution, etc. etc. Anything that results in trauma or deep, serious regret or grave consequences such as STDs or an unwanted baby and makes you waste your first time basically.

>indulge in and develop whichever fetish you want with no exceptions, and fuck men!
>Can obviously give rise to problems later in life

Only if the parents are dumb idiots who don't talk to their children.

>fuck men!

Well yeah, any man who just wants to pump and dump should just fuck off.

>>26278697
>They're not forcing this shit into our lives and society.

Yes they are.

Before the Jews we used to have laws against pornography like China does (how much Chinese porn is there compared to how much American porn?), then Jew lawyers successfully argued before Jew judges that pornography constituted artistic expression and was protected by freedom of expression/speech.

Who controls the media and entertainment industry that is a never ending stream of Miley Cyruses, BM/WF couples, making white men out to be clownish fools or oppressive villains and normalization of every kind of dysfunction and depravity?

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Does anyone else remember when this movie was first released?

It seemed shocking back then, but these days it's fucking tame. We're getting progressively more depraved. Don't doubt it.

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It's funny how much "whether she has had sex/ lots of sex with mean" is a clear of an indication of personality.

Seriously- it implies their sense of self worth, control, development, ideals, confidence... If she had meaningless sex, it implies horrible shit that would make only idiots attracted to her in the first place.

>>26278751
Not a bad strategy, I have to say. However this is where it kind of falls apart and loses its meaning:

>Anything that results in trauma or deep, serious regret

Why does it have to be "extreme regret" to be a problem? What about just plain old, regular regret?

You're forced to leave this loophole here so that you can protect

>All masturbation and masturbation aid material falls into that category, smut fiction especially

>>26278628
What are you attempting to get at?
I can be there to tell them what's reality and what's just a fantasy but I can't deprive them of their sexual fantasies and of whatever material of their liking that depicts them, I don't even want to. Being a repressive shit is unhealthy as fuck and sure way to have everything you do backfire on you. I'd rather hand my daughter my collection of yaoi manga and tell her no man besides the one she'll choose to spend her life with will ever give her as much joy as those in those comic books. They are fantastic.

>>26278780
Okay, granted.

However, hating on the jews, alone, isn't going to be enough. We also, and primarily, need to focus on our own selves, first, and our own communities, second. Even if you think our greatest allies should be taken care of first, in practice, the jewish problem can only be sorted out after those first two issues are addressed, anyway. So the priority is very clear.

Racially oriented antagonisms run the risk of serving as a divisive issue to, again and as always, divide the community and distract us with the typical futile radicalism. This is the essential distinction between being reactive elements, and being proactive elements.

>>26278871
>Why does it have to be "extreme regret" to be a problem? What about just plain old, regular regret?

Some people (sjws on the female side, immature autists on the male side) tend to make a huge deal out of reading a story they didn't like, so unless you specify the regret should be over something serious and not a missed tumblr trigger warning they would have an excuse to go after fiction just like they already do.

>>26278954
I totally agree with you, broadly - apart from this:

>Racially oriented antagonisms

We can't avoid them, at least here in Europe. We need to assert firmly that this is our land. We're not going to become a minority that is literally the ancestral homeland of our people. That's why we need to be explicit about race in that context.

JQ can be dealt with in an incremental, "frog in boiling water" manner after we've secured the pressing matter of porous borders and our people's demographic security. What I mean by that is not explicitly targeting the Jews, but targeting the things that everyone knows secular Jewry heads up (everything from porn to those NGOs responsible for color revolutions) without explicitly mentioning them.

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>>26278780
>how much Chinese porn is there compared to how much American porn?

Well it depends on your definition of porn. Real life, I don't know. Drawn or written, I'm sure China has far more.

>>26279036
There's very little IRL porn, you should really know that. America is responsible for the overwhelming bulk of commercial porn.

>Drawn

I have less of an issue with it. Fujoshit stuff is positively harmless compared to the sorts of vile stuff the Jews are creating in LA.

>>26278901
>What are you attempting to get at?

You're projecting your kinks onto your future children. It's almost like you expect them to develop some kind of niche fetish, like you're encouraging that in them because it's something you understand, and something you relate to.

Have you considered what might happen if your kids do not develop any particular kind of fetishes and kinks? I mean, that is, or was, the actual norm.

Instead of encouraging them to isolate themselves with fetishism and be celibate throughout their puberty, it might be a better idea to encourage them to practice with actual relationships. I.E. encourage them to find a girlfriend or boyfriend, and to have sex with them, and them only, for the duration of the relationship.

Who knows? Your daughters or even sons may still elect to wait until they're older to have sex.

>I can't deprive them of their sexual fantasies and of whatever material of their liking. Being a repressive shit is unhealthy as fuck and sure way to have everything you do backfire on you.

If my kids develop a particular fetish, I would want them to feel comfortable coming to me about it. And if they, against my parental advice, insist on pursuing bondage, or homosexuality, or god knows what, then yea there's not much I can do. But like I said, you're almost counting on this happening to them, because it's what happened to you.

>>26279031
>We can't avoid them, at least here in Europe. We need to assert firmly that this is our land.

I agree. I was only thinking about that from the US perspective.

Fight like hell. Now is a critical time to set the precedent of that narrative.

>>26279201
>Fight like hell. Now is a critical time to set the precedent of that narrative.

We are. We're up against it obviously but the tide turns in our favor now, Merkel's hijinks really showed average people that their intention genuinely is to turn every formerly majority white nation into a white minority.

what the fucks the point of the racial identification OP fuck you you already made the thread retarded

>>26279256
Not OP, but I suspect because this thread is for white people, much like there are specific threads for black and asian anons.

>>26279275
and that's retarded, because people on r9k are generally going to be anglophones and culturally similar due to similar interests and language. ethnicity is almost irrelevant on an imageboard

>>26279236
How's that going?

From over here, we see that Eastern Europe isn't buying any of it. But how are things in Western Europe? According to the pulse over here, which largely avoids the subject, you'd think that most people are A-okay with the charity, and that only racist extremists are throwing a fit. At least a couple news agencies, that I trusted up until these events began, have been portraying it in that light.

Do you see your movement being D&C'd with the typical cointel hysterical extremism?

>>26279256
>>26279312
Green with envy

>>26279256
>>26279363
not even a non-white female so I don't understand how this makes me green with envy

>>26279328
>you'd think that most people are A-okay with the charity, and that only racist extremists are throwing a fit.

That's simply not true. Polling shows consistent opposition to mass immigration across every single Western European Nation with the exception of Sweden, and even there the tide is turning.

You've got to understand we don't live in free societies here though. You can get thrown in jail for making off-color remarks about certain races on twitter, or questioning the veracity of certain historical events. As a result people have learned to police their language in very subtle ways, and police the way they express views in public especially. Even if the left has no recourse to laws like racially-aggravated public order offenses, they can economically destroy you by getting your employer to fire you and so on.

But that is becoming harder for them to police.

>Do you see your movement being D&C'd with the typical cointel hysterical extremism?

No, the stakes are too high and people recognize them now. Breivik went berserk and offed 60 leftists a few years back, and their anti-immigration right is doing even better these days.

>>26279312
Different races have different cultures, even when transplanted in what is nominally the same country.

>>26278697
>>26278780
>it's the Jews
>not market forces
>inb4 the jews control market forces
>inb4 the free market would be perfect without jews

>>26279126
All parents expect their children to be like them in some way and encourage familiar behavior, that's normal. What matters is that one doesn't insist when they see the kid's not interested and accept the kid for whatever they are interested in instead, as long as it's nothing criminal or harmful to themselves or others. My mom was glad I liked smut just like she did.

>Instead of encouraging them to isolate themselves with fetishism and be celibate throughout their puberty, it might be a better idea to encourage them to practice with actual relationships. I.E. encourage them to find a girlfriend or boyfriend, and to have sex with them, and them only, for the duration of the relationship.

That has its dangers too and they're far more real than having a husbando. I think sex is something precious and you shouldn't waste it over a relationship that's going nowhere like most relationships before 30 do, only to live in regret you wasted your first time like that - at best. My own mother encouraged to think of myself and not men at least until I turned 30, which is when she married my father and had me and which is when I met my husband too.

My only concerns are toward a daughter, by the way. A son I would let his father handle the sex talk.

>>26279449
>As a result people have learned to police their language in very subtle ways, and police the way they express views in public especially.
>the left has no recourse to laws like racially-aggravated public order offenses, they can economically destroy you
Scary times.

>Breivik went berserk and offed 60 leftists a few years back, and their anti-immigration right is doing even better these days.

This is another one of those subjects you can't run around preaching, but take a look at this documentary. It applies to the recent string of mass shooters over here, as well. Very educational. Again, scary times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC9J6O6soHA

>>26279452
>market forces

You think the overton window of respectability and the general tendencies of the culture as a whole are dependent on "market forces"?

I think a more reasonable explanation is the cultural zeitgeist is manufactured by those who, you know, actually create the culture that is consumer by 99% of the population in the first place. Nicki Minaj and the filth she promotes wouldn't be anything more than a pimple on someone's ass without Jewish money behind her.

>inb4 the free market would be perfect without jews

I'm not a capitalist. You're barking up the wrong tree.

>>26279449
>>26279312
>Different races have different cultures, even when transplanted in what is nominally the same country.

no they don't. also, who are you to decide what the "races" are? putting two people who fit under the umbrella term of "black", despite one having Congolese ancestry and the other having Ethiopian ancestry, and they are supposed to have a similar culture because they both fit under this umbrella term of "black"?

Plus, ethnically similar people from different countries, for example people of Middle Eastern descent growing up in a place like Bangladesh, compared to people of the same descent growing up in some North African country, still practice much different cultures, mainly due to the differing material forces surrounding them.

This is why I believe racial classifications are inefficient, and group people who may have nothing in common together by force just because they look similar or share a similar phenotype, even though they could be completely culturally distinct and incompatible, separating them from their personal decisions of wanting to stay with people that are culturally similar, despite being of different ethnicity, but having a similar upbringing.

>>26279523
>This is another one of those subjects you can't run around preaching, but take a look at this documentary. It applies to the recent string of mass shooters over here, as well. Very educational. Again, scary times.

Can you give me the general gist? I can't view it in my country unfortunately.

Thanks in advance anon.

>/pol/ shits up yet another thread

>>26279549
>no they don't.

You're quite right. The descendants of West African chattel slaves and European-Americans have exactly the same culture. Derp.

>blah blah blah here's why white european people shouldn't feel a racial consciousness and should accept mass immigration

Eat shit and die.

>>26279570
>come in ranting about why the OP stipulated white girls only
>/pol/ack responds calmly and BTFO's you
>"OMG /pol/ SHITTING UP ANOTHER THREAD YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING GNATZIS!"

>>26279570
>tfw will never have a sexually conservative GF without her mind being shitted up by ethno-nationalist ideology

this shit is just not fair

>>26279634
>I don't want to deal with the consequences of my belief in liberalism

Liberalism by nature leads to sexual depravity, you're just too clueless to realise why because you're too clueless to actually understand the implications of the axiomatic truths you believe in.

>>2627961
I'm going to ask a highly original question upon which depends the fate of this thread.
Are Italians white?

>>26279482
>All parents expect their children to be like them in some way and encourage familiar behavior, that's normal.
>My mom was glad I liked smut just like she did.

Do you see a pattern here?

>I think sex is something precious and you shouldn't waste it over a relationship that's going nowhere like most relationships before 30 do

I guess this is where we essentially disagree. I'd rather my daughter have awkward teenage sex with a decent if temporal bf, than get into fetish porn. One will prepare her for a life in society, the other will prepare her for a life alone in her imagination. And who knows, she may end up marrying her highschool bf, anyway. It happens sometimes.

>My only concerns are toward a daughter, by the way. A son I would let his father handle the sex talk.
Let's assume that the father can't for whatever reason. What would you do then?

>>26279584
never said they should accept mass immigration, but declining inefficient immigration policies which cause harm to society without creating a racist society with broad, strictly defined umbrella terms that forcefully segregate people and rob them of their personal liberty would be nice

i never agreed with mass immigration, neoliberalism/neoconservatism, and am uncomfortable with nazism for the reasons listed above. I would prefer if societal judgement was based off the content of one's character alone, rather than 'racial identity'.

>>26279732
>I'd rather my daughter have awkward teenage sex with a decent if temporal bf

That's not the way it works. It starts with that, and then it becomes serial monogamy.

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>>26277589

For a male that comic would never progress past the first panel you ungrateful cunt.

>>26279558
>I can't view it in my country unfortunately.

This should take care of that. Set it to a US server. Tor works on youtube as well, I believe.
http://www.proxfree.com/youtube-proxy.php

And while we're on the subject of Eurocensorship, here's some good shoa documentaries you might want to download through the proxy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQjNs-Ght8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruD4I4f5LkQ

You can download them using this great site. Super easy, and quick.
http://www.videograbby.com/

>>26279744
>I would prefer if societal judgement was based off the content of one's character alone, rather than 'racial identity'.

That's nice, but the vast majority of non-western people do not think that way. To them, race and creed is paramount. As a result of this, it makes no sense for white people to be the only people on earth who keep up this absurd pretense of "not seeing race" to the extent we allow tens of millions of highly tribal, hostile people with absolutely zero loyalty to their "adopted homes" within our borders.

That's just replacing one disparate group, with no sense of identity, with another group that does have a strong sense of ethnic cohesion and ethnocentrism.

>without creating a racist society

Seeing how the term "racism" literally means "white person with a racial consciousness", that's going to be difficult.

>that forcefully segregate people

That's the aim of the game. I want a strict immigration policy to keep my nation as ethnically homogeneous as possible, because all other things being equal, ethnic homogeneity is always - and I mean always - desirable above ethnic heterogeneity.

Why do you think the PRC encourages Han migration to minority areas, and provides stipends for mixed marriages?

It's a form of soft genocide.

>>26279747
>then it becomes serial monogamy.

Not sure what you mean by this

>>26279796
>David Cole

My opinion of you just gets better and better anon.

Have you seen One Third of the Holocaust?

I'll check out the documentary you just linked about mass shootings with a proxy. Thanks.

>>26279817
notice that the shittier the culture, the more ethnically cohesive and ethnocentric

why not just remove the individuals who fail to comply with the egalitarian values of your country, rather than removing everybody even if they do comply

what about Western "non-whites" who do comply with the country's culture, are they for some reason barred from access to these European countries?

>>26279817
>>26279872
and, is it impossible to have an ethnically homogeneous nation without it being a racist nation?

for example, a nation that is only 1% non-native, but one that treats that 1% equally and fairly (unlike a nation like Japan or South Korea)

>>26279835
>David Cole

The anti racists are so anti racist that they listen more attentively when the speaker "happens to be" of an ethnically Yiddish background. He is a solid, one-in-sixty-million silver bullet. Praise his name and the ground he walks upon.

>Have you seen One Third of the Holocaust?
No, I'll check it out. Godspeed

>>26279872
We don't want to assimilate with other peoples and cultures. Forcing that on us against our will (like is currently being done in Europe, undemocratically) is genocide.

>>26279817
also, I don't think non-Western people have "racial pride" in the same way white or black nationalists do

"White pride" is strange, because it would be as if every Middle Easterner went "Brown pride" and united under that logo, despite being ethnically and culturally different. I believe "white pride", "brown pride", "black price", etc is a uniquely American concept

If you want ethnic homogenity in Sweden, "white pride" compared to "Swedish pride" or "Scandinavian pride" is a weird way to go about it

>>26279872
>notice that the shittier the culture, the more ethnically cohesive and ethnocentric

Japan beats out the US and Europe on just about every metric that doesn't depend on readily available land and prevalence of cheap, domestic raw materials.

>why not just remove the individuals who fail to comply with the egalitarian values of your country

I'm not an egalitarian. It is egalitarianism that got us into this mess.

>what about Western "non-whites" who do comply with the country's culture

It's not a matter of superficially imitating our culture. Our identities are based around shared kinship, and you simply aren't a part of that. The idea our identities boil down to documents liberally issued by our country's interior ministries is an insult, to be honest.

>are they for some reason barred from access to these European countries?

You have no inherent right to live and naturalize in one of our countries. Can the non-white arrogance and entitlement.

As for my own views: Integration is possible provided the net inflows are demographically insignificant in number. What I mean by this is that when their numbers are totally insignificant, they're forced by the sheer weight of the demographic majority to adapt, they simply can't, by virtue of these limited numbers, form hermetically sealed communities like they have here, and in Paris, and in Berlin etc. They are forced to progressively and inter-generationally intermarry in such a way that their ethno-culture ceases to exist as a result of their ethnic distinctiveness ceasing to exist, at least in our lands.

>>26280010
We are entering a new epoch where, because of globalism and economic inequality between the first world and the third, European nations have a common interest in ethnic nationalism. The tangentially related concept of White Nationalism that arose in the US can be used to refer to this, and that is not a difficult leap of understanding to make.

However, I think ethnic European nationalism is a clearer term.

It is worth mentioning that Africans, Asians, Arabs, Persians, Indians, and Latinos all unanimously view us Western and Eastern Europeans as essentially a single race.

>>26280010

Because governments have forced the idea that a brown Muslim with citizenship is just as Swedish as anyone else so "Swedish pride" isn't really saying much.

>>26280058
>superficially imitating

how is it superficial if one was raised in a certain culture and genuinely prefers that and dislikes non-Western cultures due to them being underdeveloped and them poorly catering to one's intellectual, emotional, and creative needs?

>>26279917
>and, is it impossible to have an ethnically homogeneous nation without it being a racist nation?

Racism is defined as a white person with racial consciousness, so it depends on whether or not the country is predominantly European I suppose.

>unlike a nation like Japan or South Korea

They do treat them fairly. You work out the term of your temporary visa and then you go back home, you're so used to a culture of entitlement that you think simply setting foot in someone else's country should entitle you to some path to citizenship. Then again, this shouldn't surprise me. This is literally what all the major US presidential candidates propose, that a good 20,000,000 people who entered the country illegally just be given citizenship because, you know, they work here and sometimes may occasionally pay sales tax and so on.

Liberalism has no standards by definition. It's the ideology of mediocrity.

>>26279929
>He is a solid, one-in-sixty-million silver bullet. Praise his name and the ground he walks upon.

Agreed.

>No, I'll check it out. Godspeed

Definitely do, it's long but good. Yankel Wiernik's testimony made me burst out laughing, this is literally the stuff they based the Nuremberg prosecution on.

>>26280010
>I believe "white pride", "brown pride", "black price", etc is a uniquely American concept

I'm European and I feel it. The simple fact is we have things that bind us together, and have bound us together in the past (collective existential threads, like we're facing today).

The other reason I promote White/European pride is because our own ethnic identities have been undermined by permissive naturalization and immigration laws, but it's a lot harder for a non-white to appropriate our "European-ness", as it's attached to things that are a lot more intangible and difficult for a racial alien to understand.

>If you want ethnic homogenity in Sweden

See above.

>>26279732
>Do you see a pattern here?
Yeah, I have the same tastes as my mother. That's not unusual between parents and children. Doesn't mean I will hate my daughter if she ends up being different from me, I will just remind her to use protection and contraceptives and to choose her partner wisely, not do anything stupid.

>One will prepare her for a life in society, the other will prepare her for a life alone in her imagination.

I must disagree with this because even I though spent my life alone in my imagination, it still prepared and helped me to be happy with myself and get a good job, make many friends and meet my husband, who is a loving and good man. It shows on his face he's proud of me being a virgin prior to him.

>And who knows, she may end up marrying her highschool bf, anyway.
It's possible but I wouldn't bet on it, life's not a harem anime.

What I will make sure is that whoever she marries will be a good man who truly loves her and who can grant her a good life like her parents did, meaning he is not poor or a neet, he has a good job, he is faithful, honest, sincere and loyal, he is not a shut in but is sociable and well-liked by his peers instead, he has a sense of humor, he is brave, he is never violent or disrespectful towards her - he is amorous, tender, affectionate and devoted and he respects her and her wishes, and he keeps her happy. Just like my father was to my mother.

>Let's assume that the father can't for whatever reason. What would you do then?

Ask his father what I should tell him. I don't plant to be a single mother.

>>26280161
>how is it superficial

Look at the descendants of West African chattel slaves in the US. In superficial terms, they are American. They have American citizenship, they speak English (poorly), they celebrate Thanksgiving, they watch American sports, they play American sports, they watch American movies, they enjoy American food etc.

But in spite of this, it's still pretty glaringly obvious to anyone that White and Black Americans are very different culturally, you need only look at the quasi-matriarchal family structure of most Black Americans and compare it to those of white families to see this.

>and dislikes non-Western cultures due to them being underdeveloped and them poorly catering to one's intellectual, emotional, and creative needs?

I'm sorry you dislike your own culture, but my people are my priority. Not you.

>>26280161
But Japanese culture caters to one's intellectual, emotional, and creative needs far better than any "Western" culture.

>>26279826
He means riding the cock carousel.

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>>26277986
this

dghtre

>>26280239
>>26280238
It's not my own culture asshole, there is no mystical element that ties me to a culture that I have no experiential attachment to.

Where is the empirical data that suggests that there is a spiritually significant element to ethnicity that binds one to their "culture'?

>>26279872
Think of identity like a net that you cast, or a circle you draw. The circles Japanese and Koreans draw are very tight, very exclusive - but consequently they're very meaningful - they're defined by strict criteria of inclusion or exclusion, primarily race.

Now consider the modern western "propositional" approach, the circle is wide, the net is big, consequently what constitutes the identity becomes progressively less and less meaningful, is it even about speaking English anymore? Is it even about holding a US passport?

Eventually you reach the point where your leaders just define your identity with bizarre, meaningless nonsense like "tolerance". And at that point, it really does mean nothing.

A big part of why weebs and wiggers exist is because white people are denied a real, exclusive racial identity with its own racial culture. Their own racial culture has been transplanted onto what the propositional US identity is, or rather was - as a result, they have nothing to exclusively call their own anymore. That's why they vicariously seek to become a part of other groups with very explicitly racially conscious and racially defined cultural products.

>>26280238
>>26280325
By the way, African American IQ scores do not count.

Now tell me, for example, a Tibetan man who scores in the 85th percentile in intelligence (lets say WAIS scale for example), raised in a middle class suburb in Seattle, compared to an Italian man who is in the same percentile, growing up in the same neighborhood. Are they going to be culturally different due to this idea of this supernatural "racial unity"? Is the Tibetan man going to be more "Tibetan" and the Italian man going to be more "Italian". Probably neither, they will probably be quite similar actually.

>>26280325
>there is no mystical element that ties me to a culture that I have no experiential attachment to.

I disagree, why do you think the descendants of West African chattel slaves recreate the same quasi-matriarchal family structure that West Africans themselves develop? Why do you think they are so obsessed with rhythmic music - as their racial kin are, as opposed to music that tends to focus more on harmony (traditional European music)?

It's because race is real and meaningful. The very reason you're sitting here arguing that white people should be open to outgroups who really do pose as an existential threat to us these days is because you're non-white to begin with. Chew on that for a minute.

>>26280400
People call people who just like anime and manga "weebs".
Look, I'd like american and european shit too if the drawings were as beautiful or the stories/characters interesting.

>>26280161
I'm sorry, but their "creative needs" can not be used as a precedent to create conditions which threaten the future of other races.

>>26280416
>Are they going to be culturally different due to this idea of this supernatural "racial unity"?

Yes, there are various studies done on the psychological economy of adopted transracial twins and they virtually all show a sense of profound alienation with the culture around them.

Can you tell me your race?

>>26280473
>call people who just like anime and manga "weebs".

I like anime and manga, so I'm certainly not calling people who purely like anime and manga weebs. Believe me.

I'm calling people who speak in broken Japanese, obsess over moving to Japan, of marrying an Asian man etc as "weebs". They are identityless people seeking for a vicarious identity through these things, it's fairly obvious to anyone with two eyes.

>Look, I'd like american and european shit too if the drawings were as beautiful or the stories/characters interesting.

Do you read novels?

>>26280198
>a good man who truly loves her and who can grant her a good life like her parents did, meaning he is not poor or a neet, he has a good job, he is faithful, honest, sincere and loyal, he is not a shut in but is sociable and well-liked by his peers instead, he has a sense of humor, he is brave, he is never violent or disrespectful towards her - he is amorous, tender, affectionate and devoted and he respects her and her wishes, and he keeps her happy

This being r9k I should add handsome, who smells good and has excellent hygiene. Should go without saying but that's not always the case with r9k.

>>26280549
I do but it's like comparing apples to oranges when talking about to anime and manga. Comics aren't pictureless books.

>>26280400
Smaller communities or common creative goals are more effective in creating a sense of group identity than "racial pride" or identity.

Are you saying the tight circles the Japanese and Koreans draw are supposedly "good" for society? The Japanese and Koreans are extremely ethnically similar, yet for some reason there is still discrimination against Koreans in Japan, and vice versa for Japanese in Korea. There is even discrimination among Native Japanese, for example mainland Japanese show contempt towards Okinawans, and Okinawans show contempt to other Okinawans from a different Island.

Plus, Japanese and Korean countries are not exactly the perfect hubs for widespread personal fulfillment and a happy society. They have some of the highest suicide rates in the world, mainly due to a culture of conformity and rejection of anyone that differs from the norm, poor working conditions (long hours, overworking mostly), and a lack of autonomy and self direction in an incredibly rigorous and unforgiving working culture. Japan and Korea are poor examples to set for your homogeneous wonderland.

>>26278743
dumbass loser. My dad was right

>>26280597
>Smaller communities or common creative goals are more effective in creating a sense of group identity than "racial pride" or identity.

That's strange, because that doesn't seem to be the trajectory the world's most populous diverse (in terms of the four primary races) nation is headed in. It seems like you're just postulating utopianism at this point ("yeah but what if racial consciousness and tribalism wasn't actually a thing?" - It is a thing, it shows no signs of disappearing, quite to the contrary).

>There is even discrimination among Native Japanese, for example mainland Japanese show contempt towards Okinawans, and Okinawans show contempt to other Okinawans from a different Island.

Okinawans aren't really part of the Japanese ethnos historically, so that's understandable.

>They have some of the highest suicide rates in the world, mainly due to a culture of conformity and rejection of anyone that differs from the norm, poor working conditions (long hours, overworking mostly), and a lack of autonomy and self direction in an incredibly rigorous and unforgiving working culture. Japan and Korea are poor examples to set for your homogeneous wonderland.

I fail to see how this relates to how:

1) You're going to solve the issue of creating a national identity when there's no actual unifying factor there.

2) How mass immigration is good for us white people.

It should be said however that suicide rates shouldn't be taken as a proxy for quality of life, high suicide rates may coincide with a culture that places an extremely high premium on personal responsibility. That's not necessarily a net negative.

>>26280597
I understand, I just think literature is an area where we excel a bit better than they do. Are you white? Male or female?

>>26280742
These non-whites are so delusional you legitimately have to debate the "point" of whites being "allowed" to have a state where they're going to remain the dominant demographic majority. Their sense of entitlement is so huge they literally believe they can just gallivant around the western world and decide to stop off some place where they can "become English/French/German/Italian/American" etc.

Realtalk from non-whites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85fr6nbiMT4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38j8pSOekiY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3l1tcHwg2s

Non-whites in America are becoming more racially conscious, not less. The more accommodating White Americans become, the more they demand Whites prostate themselves before them for all of their imagined "sins".

Fuck the chink/bindi motherfucker you're arguing with.

>>26280857
Second link is just some paki terrorist mug ranting about white people passive aggressively for five minutes. How the fuck is this comedy?

>>26280857
>"I can't wait until you whites are a minority, just you fuckers wait..."
>"lol white people are so paranoid about becoming a minority!"

Gradually I came to hate them.

>>26280857
>Fuck the chink/bindi motherfucker you're arguing with.

Now is not the time to lash out. It just validates their victim cards and discredits the validity of your argument.

>>26280506
Is "profound alienation with the culture around them" symptomatic of the races being different?

There are many people surrounded by people of the same ethnicity who feel alienated. imo, alienation is more a symptom of this global system of neoliberal capitalism, in which you are shunned and forced to retreat if you cannot comply towards the standards of the almighty market. Alienation is common in ethnically homogeneous nations as well, such as, as we were talking about earlier, Japan and South Korea. Mainly a symptom of the issues that arise from the conditions and standards our globalized economy creates (with a touch of ancient cultural standards of Confucianism), but I digress, I still am not convinced that there is a such thing as a unified racial conscience.

>>26280742
Mass immigration is not good for anyone. But why is there mass immigration? Mass immigration, in my opinion is more symptomatic of big businesses requiring low wage workers, and them lobbying towards neoliberal politicians who allow such unchecked immigration to occur. I do not believe in mass immigration, but I do not believe in Fascism either. There must be a reasonable immigration policy, one that does not allow too many unskilled and uneducated laborers (or worse, non-laborers) to commit crimes and get away with it, or abuse the country's system of welfare and hospitality, but does not use force to the remove the ones that do comply with the rules and fit in with the culture. Without the motive for big businesses to create capital off low wage workers, I believe mass immigration would dwindle, as there wouldn't be powerful forces to lobby for such politicians which enact such undemocratic policies. I don't think there's any real reason for mass immigration to exist to the extent it does today if it wasn't for neoliberalism and the borderline religious belief in the market that many of our leaders believe in.

>>26280857

Note the implicit fear of white racial consciousness too. The existence of a thread with the word "white" in the subject line set him off. When you call these people out on their selective outrage, they always give some dishonest spiel about how they're "actually opposed to all sorts of racial nationalism", but every honest white person knows deep down that it's a load of bullshit. If they're this opposed to racial identity, why aren't they on to the chinks, indians, niggers and others who have thousands upon thousands of professional associations, political caucuses, religious institutions, pressure groups and activist organizations all based around the principle of race? Why is it a simple thread on the asshole of the internet that causes them to react so violently?

It's because they fear our group identity. They know that when white people start remembering they are white, that their days of emotionally blackmailing us are fucking over.

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>>26281066
>It's because they fear our group identity. They know that when white people start remembering they are white, that their days of emotionally blackmailing us are fucking over.

And remember that the fastest way to make this happen is to approach the issue seriously, aggressively, and above all, maturely.

/pol/ hurrdurrism is a crippling anchor on the movement. /pol/, alex jones tier hurrdurrism is encouraged by our political adversaries to keep us marginalized, and our efforts emotional and futile.

>>26281014
>>26280742
>high suicide rates may coincide with a culture that places an extremely high premium on personal responsibility

This is wrong, in my opinion. I do not think a strictly defined idea of "personal responsibility" is efficient, especially the one that exists in countries like Japan and South Korea, which is based off outdated traditions and much more ancient wisdom, probably stemming from Confucianism (and probably many other historical factors). The unbelievable precedent these nations put on their ideas of personal responsibility is much more harmful than helpful, and I believe they play a part in stifling innovation and creativity. This is why they say Japan is "ahead in some ways, behind in others". because of how much the country is pretty much run by the elderly.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/asiarpt121.pdf

Skimming through this paper, you can see how harmful a culture of conformity and strictly defined sets of ideals can be towards innovation. Remember, you want to create standards for society, not encourage mediocrity. Japan needs to allow more creative mobility for individuals, and let go of it's outdated, Confucian standards of it's imperial age.

I hope I didn't get too off topic, I just don't think the suicide rates in Japan and South Korea are symptomatic of anything positive, in my personal opinion.

>>26281014
What does immigration policy have to do with fascism? Fascism is a system of government based around corporatism. Having an immigration policy that keeps numbers limited to a trickle and doesn't disrupt the demography of the native group is just normality, it is default, it is the default way in which every non-Western European/North American society operates. It has nothing to do with "Fascism".

As for neo-liberalism, yes, you're right. But the consensus for mass immigration exists because it commands support across the mainstream spectrum: center leftists support it for humanitarian reasons, to build their own voting base and so on, center-rightists support it for cheap labor and to artificially stimulate population growth etc.

But even the hard left resort to neo-liberal economic arguments on immigration ("we need them to boost GDP!")

>Is "profound alienation with the culture around them" symptomatic of the races being different?

Yes.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/search-self-chinese-adoptees-find-shifting-identities-n203906

Read what happens after they return to their ancestral homeland. It actually reminds me of a famous Kipling poem.

http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/stranger.html

The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control--
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

What's your race by the way? You ignored the question in the last reply. I'm curious.

>>26281189
>and I believe they play a part in stifling innovation and creativity

Japan has the highest per capita rate of patents in the world mate.

>>26281189
>I do not think a strictly defined idea of "personal responsibility" is efficient

You don't think taking responsibility for your actions thereby encouraging high standards in others by establishing very clear expectations and very clear repercussions is efficient?

>>26281207
>What's your race by the way? You ignored the question in the last reply. I'm curious.

I don't know for sure. Persian, Bengali, North Indian, some sort of mixture between the three. I wanted to use something like 23andme, but I'm paranoid about it

>>26281306
It's an easy way to oppress people.
Bosses don't take responsibility for their slacking around until they get caught, but they still demand their inferiors work overtime.

>>26281335
Do you not see how from our perspective this suggests you have a vested interest in keeping the borders open and in discouraging white ethnocentrism?

>>26281207
You didn't ask to him you asked it to me, you quoted the same anon twice.

>>26281368
>It's an easy way to oppress people.

I see. Given the relative performance of the Japanese and US economy, I'll take the Japanese "oppression".

When was the last time the US posted a trade surplus with Japan again?

>>26281407
>I see. Given the relative performance of the Japanese and US economy

Japan's in been in a slump for decades and things are slowly but surely getting shittier, neets started from there because the job market's in the shitter and young people can't find jobs.

>>26278281
>Despite that, though, I don't hate men. I just think you guys need to find a way to cool your sex drives.
Testosterone drives sex in men and women and men have more of it, there's literally no way to just cool it down.

>>26277589
>Are there any white fembots who are conservative about sex on /r9k/?

Not me.

>Do you think having lots of partners makes sex less meaningful?

No. Every man is different.

>Do you think women should wait to have sex?

Anon, who are going to have sex with if not women? Each other?

>Do you think sex should only happen with men you love?

No.

>>26281465
You can always kill yourselves.

>>26281443
>Japan's in been in a slump for decades

Ah. That's not true. Japanese GDP growth has admittedly been lower than US GDP growth on average over the past 20 years, but consider that:

1) GDP is simply an aggregation of all economic activity.

2) The US has been artificially inflating its own labor pool through huge waves of immigration.

Actually when you consider that the Japanese labor force from 2001 to today only grew by about 0.3% compared to about 15% in the US, and the US still only performed a percentage point above Japan in terms of growth, you get a better impression.

Moreover Japan has actually cemented their position as the world's primary supplier of precision engineered producer's goods over the past two decades, they drove out American competition in the SMC silicon market and turned it into a Japanese duopoly in the 1990s.

>>26281254
huh, i'll have to re-research my points then

>>26281306
not really. I think people are good at different things and I don't think establishing clear expectations for someone using a certain type of learning is efficient if they excel at something different. For example, you cannot expect someone with strong problem solving skills but poor verbal IQ to be proficient at writing poetry, or someone with a strong verbal IQ but weak problem solving skills to be a Mathematician. That is why I feel like "very clear expectations" based off outdated ideals may not be efficient in really nurturing people's differing "natural gifts".

My ideas are based off the premise that Japanese education discourages divergent, "right hemisphere" thinking, because of the practical values of the older generation. That is the reason I believe that they might stifle creativity in some ways.

>>26281521
>US still only performed a percentage point above Japan in terms of growth

The US had a growing population, Japan has a shrinking population. You need to take that into account. Obviously the growth will nominally be lower when distributed across far more people but in reality it is much more than Japan.

>Moreover Japan has actually cemented their position as the world's primary supplier of precision engineered producer's goods

Nah that's Germany.

>>26281539
If the East Asian educational system is so bad, why does it out-perform every western system in the PISA examinations?

And don't say "rote memorization". It is literally impossible to "rote memorize" and succeed in the sort of abstract mathematical questions that PISA poses to its examinees.

I'm no STEM supremacist, I love the humanities (the real humanities, not the gender studies, critical theory crap) but I certainly think we could do with a good dose of reality for people in getting them into more productive, in-need professions at a degree level.

>>26281601
>Obviously the growth will nominally be lower when distributed across far more people

That's.... Not how GDP works.

I suggest you look it up.

>Nah that's Germany.

No. According to a DeutscheBank study, out of the 33 component parts used in Smartphones, Japanese companies are responsible for the bulk of the production in 29 of them and Germany only in 3. Japan also drove out German competition in the SMC silicon market with ShinEtsu and Sumco, and German car assembly parts shut down for two weeks after the Tohoku earthquake.

Germany is undermining its own position given current events anyway.

>>26281605
Because those rankings don't really mean shit nor reflect reality, they're like finance cancer to real economy. The average Chinese student cheats and doesn't even feel shame about it. What are you, some chink?

>>26281335
>>26281376
well, not really, because if I'm being completely honest I don't like impolite, aggressive, uneducated, unkind and unintelligent people, and if those recent immigrants are like that, I don't want to be around them, and would prefer them not here. But yes, since I was raised in a culture that did not really put me into specified categories I learned to develop a strong kinship with people outside of my ethnicity, which is probably the reason why I have such a strong attachment to want to protect this liberty I have. I also do not want to be around, or be an ethnic representative of impolite, aggressive, uneducated, unkind, and unintelligent people either, and I do not believe in any sort of mystical unification with the crazies due to ethnicity.

This is why I place such strong value on a materialist point of view, rather than an idealist one, because I have first hand experience of not sharing any similarities with people of similar ethnicity, and share more with people of differing ethnicity but similar personal interests and upbringings. It is incredibly difficult for me to believe in a mystical racial unity for this reason alone.

>>26281443
>neets started from there

This is complete bullshit, even in the height of the crash Japanese unemployment was nothing like it is in the contemporary United States. Hell, pre-subprime Germany had structural unemployment rates of something like 10%. Japan NEVER had anything that bad.

>>26281690
The term did start from there though. From the hikkikomori who did not want to participate in their country's brutal working culture to be precise.

>>26281492
How could I forget the nuclear option :)

>>26281677
>The average Chinese student cheats and doesn't even feel shame about it. What are you, some chink?

I dislike most chinks and do not want them in my nation.

But I'm not going to sit there and make excuses. Nor am I going to sit there and pretend "do what you feel like" educational systems are good at instilling discipline and pragmatism.

>>26281678
So you're positive about white minoritization in Europe provided the immigrants are at least nominally polite?

>mystical racial union

If you were a real "materialist" then your default assumption wouldn't be that group identities based around kinship groups are artificial by design when they've literally been the basis for group identification since the first h. sapiens tribes emerged.

>>26281660
How is that relevant though?
Look, I want my 15 minute break every two hours and my 1 hour lunch break. I want my 20 days of vacation minimum. I cannot function more than 8 hours straight of work and I want to go home when my job's done and enjoy my life since I work for myself so as to give myself a good life, I work to live I don't live to work. I refuse to be expected to diddle in the office unpaid unnecessary hours because the boss thinks it makes him look good to treat his employees like slaves. That's what the japanese culture is like. It's good for making impressions on those outside but it's hell for those inside it and I don't want to be inside it.

>>26281678
>which is probably the reason why I have such a strong attachment to want to protect this liberty I have

Here's the interesting thing though - It is primarily white people who view the world in this way, by that I mean viewing the "individual" as the basic unit of civilization. It is overwhelmingly white people who profess to "not see race" and to adopt "race-blind" systems and bend over backwards to be seen not to be engaging in racially nepotistic behavior.

So isn't it ipso facto in your best interest to support dominant white majorities?

I'm fairly certain a dominantly East Asian America won't be as "individualist" and "raceless".

>>26281766
>Nor am I going to sit there and pretend "do what you feel like" educational systems are good at instilling discipline and pragmatism

And east asians educational systems aren't good at instilling creativity, inventive, intuition and self-reliance, either. Since I don't want to be some mindless drone I value the latter above the former.

>>26281949
>And east asians educational systems aren't good at instilling creativity, inventive, intuition and self-reliance

You have no evidence for any of this. Japan is one of the most productive, creative and inventive nations on earth. It has a huge amount of soft power through its entertainment industry, nobel prize winning writers and you're telling me it isn't creative? Get real.

>>26281990
Psst, all that soft power comes from people who rebelled to the traditional system and wanted to express their individuality, as they were allowed to thanks to American influence after the defeat in the war. Manga is seen as shameful by the traditional japanese man.

>>26282043
No, that's anime. Manga is fine.

>liking white woman

baka

>>26282078
Manga is the same as anime. The two are inevitably intertwined.
Decades of American influence have been killing the traditional view and allowing the Japanese to be more individualistic, but if you ask a traditional man manga's still a shameful thing.

>>26281990
When people say "east asian" they really mean "chinese".

>>26282043
You're confusing Japan with South Korea and China. Japan has, throughout history, been a lot more in line with what a westerner would see as "individualism". It's why ronin were an actual thing in Japan, where outlaws of the marsh were just a myth in China. It's why Japanese system was feudal and why they eschewed the centralized bureaucracy that they had imported from China after a couple of centuries and moved away from it. It's why Japan took Confucianism and completely adapted it (in Japanese Confucianism you actually have obligations towards animals to treat them kindly for example). It's also why European observers in the Far East were surprised to see with how much liberality Japanese women were treated compared to their Chinese and Korean counterparts.

Japanese culture's similarity in visual terms to China's (the architecture, the writing, the art) belies the fact the two peoples are very different in outlook.

>>26279256
I suspect that it's to see how degenerate white fembots are. He wants to prove to himself that there are still girls (white) who aren't whores and are therefore dateable or worthy of marriage. Minorities aside from blacks and the nonreligious are usually pretty conservative. That would skew the numbers, and not give him the answer he's looking for.

>>26282267

OP here.

You're actually spot on with this one. Farming out this question to /r9k/ usually results in numbers getting skewed by typically shy East and South Asian girls, or just undesirable Black girls who no one wants.

>>26279482
Just curious, what would you encourage you son to do? Be celibate? Spread his "seed" to as many women as possible? We're you and your husband virgins when you were married? Because of religion or morals?

>>26278281

most males have had no experience, roasty.

>>26282267
>Minorities aside from blacks and the nonreligious are usually pretty conservative
Not sexually.
t. minority

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>>26282321
>undesirable Black girls who no one wants

Hey the Fascists drew them beautiful and were willing to mix with them.

>>26282495
>were willing to mix with them

No they weren't. Half blacks were sterilized in National Socialist Germany, and rightfully so. Mulattoes are literally cancer: the race.

>>26277589
that short comic made me horny allready... my standards have slipped a bit too low

>>26282660
It's the short hair and the fact she could be a femanon you're talking to on here I guess.

Would definitely get her pregnant though, so I know where you're coming from.

>>26282475
Aside from the ones where the religion is part of their culture (Mexicans). You aren't a real religious person if you are a degenerate druggie gang affiliated whore who happens to go to church on Sunday.

>>26282712
>this
even though I just wrote this post into the thread at whole without intending to aim at someone directly... you might be right! the feeling says, I could agree to this!

("short hair" is true nonetheless)

>>26282321
>undesirable Black girls who no one wants.
y-you too

>>26282340
>Just curious, what would you encourage you son to do? Be celibate? Spread his "seed" to as many women as possible?

He doesn't risk getting pregnant so I don't care if he has sex or not. If he has, more power to him, means he was good enough for that girl. He still risks getting diseases and making a girl accidentally pregnant though so I'd expect him not to have unsafe, unprotected sex. The very first thing for him would be learn how to put on a condom and always use it, also date a healthy, STD-clean girl who's on the pill too.

I'd rather him not visit prostitutes, but if he must then I'd accept only the high end ones, escorts who are real professionals and take safety as something extremely serious rather than some poor girl on the street who's ridden with STDs and has a pimp behind her ready to beat up both and steal his money at any moment. Porn is fine, I'm not one to enjoy yaoi and bitch about hentai.

>We're you and your husband virgins when you were married?
I was, he wasn't. It was his first time making love though. Before he just thought about getting his dick wet and didn't care much for the girl's pleasure, with me he always gladly puts my own pleasure before his own.

>Because of religion or morals?
Neither. I remained a virgin because I had high standards. I could have only accepted the absolute best for myself and I would have rather stayed alone if I couldn't get it.

>>26277589
Hey, 22 years old, white, and a virgin.

> Do you think having lots of partners makes sex less meaningful?

For me, yes. Maybe not for others.

> Do you think women should wait to have sex?

If they want to.

> Do you think sex should only happen with men you love?

For me, yes. For others, perhaps not.

I don't judge.

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>>26282566
>Fascists
>National Socialist Germany

Uh, those aren't the same thing. The Italians didn't sterilize anyone.

>>26282750
Koreans are hardcore protestant, but in my experience most people treat their religion like a little club they don't have to take seriously. The weakest I've seen in that regard are catholics (non-mexican) but that could be because of my area (east coast).

>>26283007
How many kids did your mother have? How many kids do you plan to have?

I'm a single mom who hasn't had a relationship (and doesn't want one) since my husband died.

>>26283121
You're the one who had the brain freeze when your sons friend said he liked milfs right?

>>26283113
>How many kids did your mother have?
That sounds like an attempt at profiling.

>How many kids do you plan to have?
That's still to be decided.

>>26283170
Yep!

>people recognise me on the anonymous image board
Move aside, Eggboy, I'm in the big leagues now.

>>26283179
>attempt at profiling.
If you mean finding your real identity, it's far from enough info. But yes I'm trying to tack down your personality, personal history, and trajectory.
>That's still to be decided.
I'm guessing a low number, given your age and that you're still considering.
>>26283251
I keep notes on anonymous users who tell similar stories across threads, it's like a personal anthro project.

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>>26278845
Thanks for the memories. I still say this was a great coming of age film, except like most films the main characters live in houses, not apartments. Movies set in apartments are for black people to relate to, you know?

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Where would I find a Conservative GF? Honest question here.

>>26283334
Most women are apolitical. If you're conservative yourself they'll come around to you as they grow to love you.

Independent of that, I've seen women on here who I know become more and more right wing as a result of going on /pol/.

Once you start noticing stuff like Jewish influence, there's no turning back.

>>26283372
Most that have orbited toward me where pretty much nymphs, and no, I don't say that happily.

I'm already in the same boat with the /pol/ views.

>>26283317
That's....unsettling.

>>26283334
Assuming you live in the USA, go to Church. While I am agnostic and disagree with many of the Churches teachings, their definition of marriage was spot on IMO. Yes, there are plenty of girls who say they're Catholic/Christian but sloot around, but you can weed them out much easier than you can just any old plane Jane. There are also extremes. Again, easy to weed out. But then there are those somewhere in the middle who are rational human beings, yet still follow a strong moral code. These are the girls who will text you whenever they are going to a party, tell you who's gonna be there, and show you the texts of that 1 fag who's been trying to hook up with her. High quality I hate so much to admit that I'll never have because of who I am.

Regardless, best locations would be in the Midwest.

>>26283408
I don't think so at all but I'm closer to it.
It's just people watching but I get to prod for more info and see how people tick and where they've been where they're going and what they believe, etc. People are interesting, especially when they have an avenue to be more honest like this one.

>>26283431
>High quality I hate so much to admit that I'll never have because of who I am.
Why not?

>>26278143
So does this mean that waifuism is an acceptable practice for guys?

>>26283579
Well, for starters, I would bet a million dollars that no semi-normal person would ever be into someone who browses /d/, /aco/, and /trash/ on a regular basis.

Plus I have an unbelievable amount of self hate and sperg out whenever I talk to a girl I'm interested to where I've practically given up. There was 1 girl I met who said if she wasn't married she'd go out with me, but that was the first in my 21 years of existence. I assume that my only hope will be someone who sees something in me I don't and will want to actively be with me and deal with my controlling, overly-jealous behavior.

Pretty much I'm waiting for a miracle to happen because I know the odds are too stacked against me and I know there's nothing I will ever do to change that

>>26283703
>who browses /d/, /aco/, and /trash/ on a regular basis.
You could stop, or just find a 4chan gf.
>my 21 years of existence
You're too young to be giving up and you should focus on personal improvements.

>>26283007
Dont you feel like its a little hypocritical to shelter your daughters virginity while not doing the same for your son? Because, it is.

Do you ever get jealous at your husbands past girlfriends? There's no way he doesnt think of the good memories they had together. Its also possible some of them were better fucks, sucked harder or had larger breasts or more shapely hips. Does that not bother you for choosing a male roastie instead of a virgin who is untainted by past relationships? Why didnt you hold your husband to the same standards as yourself?

>>26283916
Male virginity is nowhere near as valuable and males suffer far fewer biological risks, men are less likely to get an STD and are not going to be bringing home babies.
Men and women don't share equal risk in sex, even the correlation of past sexual history and divorce risk is significantly lower for men.

Do you think having lots of partners makes sex less meaningful?
Yes.
Do you think women should wait to have sex?
Yes.
Do you think sex should only happen with men you love?
Yes, I don't even feel attracted to a guy I'm not in love with.

>>26283882
>You could stop, or just find a 4chan gf.
4chan gf is a nice idea, but I've seen too many negative outcomes to consider that. As far as stopping...

>You're too young to be giving up and you should focus on personal improvements.
Anyone here have that screencap of the 50yo, forever alone, virgin wizard from /lit/? What about him? I'm sure he wanted to change, but look where he landed. He's just 1 of thousand of people both online and IRL who pretty much never go anywhere in life.
Not to mention depression and a smidge of anxiety.
>inb4 why don't you seek help
Been there, done that. And I honestly don't care anymore. Yeah, could my life be improved? Do I know what to do? Of course. But I just don't care
Video related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X2dCkOI6LY

>>26283916
>Its also possible some of them were better fucks, sucked harder or had larger breasts or more shapely hips.
Anecdotally Confirmed, this is what my dad told me in his abstinence speech. Comparisons to past lovers kills intimacy with your current lover.

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Calling yourself a woman doesn't make you one
>>>/lgbt/

>>26278281
>I just think you guys need to find a way to cool your sex drives.

what you actually meant to post:

>I just think you guys need to shrivel up and die alone quietly so I and all the other whores can get passed around by Chad

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I'm conservative, in the sense that sex should only be with stable mutual partners in an exclusive relationship. I'm not conservative to where sex should only be for marriage though. ONS and prostitution are immoral.

That being said, I don't really give a shit what anyone else does. I pulled out of the dating game years ago so it's irrelevant to me.

I like my anime boys to be slutty though. But that's fiction.

>>26278375
>I don't understand
Testosterone
It's both a blessing and a curse.

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"Degeneracy" is just human creativity applied to sex. You're all a bunch of prudes.

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Something I wanna ask is this: is it true that race-mixing women must certainly be scum?

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>>26277589
>what really happens

>there are people that still think there are fembots, even after Mystery

Holy shit

you guys are beyond saving

>>26287299
She was married when she was fooling around with ivan and swede-chad, making it 10x worse.

>>26287342
>she was married
holy shit, source?

>>26287365
An anon in a previous mystery thread found the husband and emailed him, he said he filed for divorce in january.

>>26287402
>claimed to be a fembot
>claimed to be lonely and unloved

Truly now I see. All women are filth.

>>26278616
You're fucking retarded and reductivist and anti-intellectual and frankly just Part of the Problem if you think that's all Marcuse had to say.

>>26283916
Dont you feel like its a little hypocritical to shelter your daughters virginity while not doing the same for your son?

So long as he doesn't accidemtally knock up some poor girl, I don't care about my son. I care that my daughter is happy and cherished and doesn't end up getting pumped and dumped by some evil asshole. Most men are disgusting selfish shitsacks only looking to use a girl and abuse her when she stands up for herself, so she should choose her mate carefully, ideally at a later age where she has secured her own life and can allow herself to be pickier. I'm not saying not to take sex into consideration, being sexually compatible is important, but a normal, healthy, sane girl can tell from making out and light fondling of the external parts whether a guy is promising in that department or not. Your vagina tells you. If you have a good head on your shoulder you stop there and make him stop there too until he's publicly declared his serious commitment. Which ties in into choosing your mate carefully, you pick a man who listens to you and obeys you and test him carefully to make sure he's sincere and not a potential rapist before moving on to the make out stage.

>Do you ever get jealous at your husbands past girlfriends?

Nope.

>There's no way he doesnt think of the good memories they had together

I won't divulge more for privacy reasons, but: no. You're wrong.

>Its also possible some of them were better fucks

See here's the reason why I would have rejected you. You ignore the mental and especially the emotional part of sex and only see the physical, only see a girl as a body to fuck when she should be much more than that to you. He's not like that. He sees me as the person whom he feels really good with at all levels, physical, mental and emotional, and the one he wants to spend his life with. Sex where emotions and true, deep feelings are involved trumps all casual fucking, and that goes for boys as much as for boys as much as for girls.

>>26288556
Addendum: when I say I don't care about my son I mean for the sexual sphere of things. I do care that he grows up a good, honest, well-liked, successful person, but the sexual side of things is his father's duty to take on just like when it comes to my daughter it's my duty to take on. Sorry for the typos.

>>26286801
Ah. I missed you again. Why are you so perfect.

>>26287493
Sup leftard. Back to /lit/ with you, tale your Jewish frankfurt school cancer with you.

>>26287119
Yeah. It betrays a certain level of self hatred to bed down with men who almost certainly have animosity against your race on some level.

>>26291036
Japanese and Italian men are superior and they like white people though.

>>26291620
Same for Portuguese, Spaniards, Greeks, Slavs, Upper class south americans,

>>26291620
Italians are white. And people should stick with their own kind. Nothing good ever came of it.

t. Other southern European.

>>26291630
Thanks but we consider ourselves white. Go divide and conquer somewhere else. I wouldn't want a girl who hated her own people anyway.

I just think sex is gross. Riding the cock carousel will do that to a person. It seems even more disgusting when it's somebody you love. Feels like defiling something pure. Wish this feel would go away.

>>26277589
> that pic
i wish i could get a fuck that easily, you're better off than any one of us, check your privilege fembot scum

>>26278276
>only mildly religious
He's not Catholic

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>>26291811
>Italians are white

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>>26291984
Damn son look how white this is

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>>26283431
Catholic here
Fuck any of you that go to church to find a gf
All of you just stay the fuck out.

>>26292020
do you mean the sole reason that they go to church is to find a gf? if so yeah i agree, if not that would make no sense because how else would you get a catholic gf?

>>26291036
Or you're just attracted to someone
Only an autist thinks like you

Why is r9k a bastion for fucking pussy losers. "Omg she's had sex with someone other than me. TRASH!"

Of course she has. You're a disgusting weirdo. I mean most of you wil never see a vagina in real life, so you should take what you can get.

Cucks, the lot of you.

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>>26292034
>do you mean the sole reason that they go to church is to find a gf?
Yes in response to him, but a gf shouldn't even be on your mind at Mass
You go to give worship to God and partake in the sacrament of the Eucharist

>>26278200
Haha u must suck at hjs hahahahaha

"fembot" is the equivalent to the tumblr girl who self diagnoses her self with depression.
You do realize if you made a tinder or whatever the fuck you would get someone? It doesn't matter if you're black or white or landwhale or skelly. Guys aren't selective. You on the otherhand look at other women and see their chad and say "why cant I have a chad?" and throw yourself into a behemoth of self pity asking why you're so alone and never get a boyfriend.
Like I've seen it all, Fat faced football helmet head women have boyfriends. You could literally have no teeth in your damn skull and still find a droog to fuck you.

Maybe if you stopped imagining yourself with Edward Cullen all day you would find a reasonable guy to grow a relationship with.
Me on the other hand don't have that luxury. I just get tossed in the trash with the rest of the unfortunate beta's.

Fuck you fembot's. You probably let your town chad face fuck you atleast once.

>>26292055
Also the Eucharist is why any non-Catholics should just fuck off
I'd prefer that you cunts don't desecrate the blessed sacrament

>>26292066
but I call myself a femnormie anyway and there's no point being in a relationship unless it's the kind of relationship I want

>>26292067
You sound like a lot of fun

>>26292090
t. Protestant Scum
fuck off

>>26292090
>let me join your club without following the rules

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>>26292090
Stay the fuck out of my Church
They need to bring back the old discipline and not even let non-Catholics through the door

>>26292081
>please chad fuck my face

>>26292107
you can be picky and not want chads

>>26292094
>>26292095
>>26292103

Cracker eating faggots

>>26292066
>Maybe if you stopped imagining yourself with Edward Cullen all day you would find a reasonable guy to grow a relationship with

That reasonable guy would still have to meet my expectations. Betas don't.

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>>26292197
>not calling me a cannibal
Step it up nigger

>>26292197
enjoy your trailer churches proddie :DD

>>26292219
Enjoy getting fucked in your ass by priests

>>26292035
Yeah. Fuck your autistic Asian fetish and Asian men too. Fucking weeb

No better than a wigger

>>26292303
I think Asians are ugly
Epicanthic folds are gross looking

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so to all the celibate femanons
how would you rate your looks?

whenever a robot says he is a virgin the token normie of the thread always say "oh its because your probably ugly anon"
but if you look at the threads where robots posts pics of themselves they all look average and don't look like fat neckbeards

i'm wondering if looks have an affect on how people view sex

>>26278054
"If it's for free yes, otherwise I want to gain something's". You do realize that makes you a literal whore right?

>>26278458
When will we remove juden?

>>26278780
It is beautiful seeing people wake up to the plague of international Jewry, keep spreading those red pills and be sure to have empirical sources to back up your claims when arguing with Shabbos goyim, your doing gods work anon.

>>26277589
ITT: Five or six /pol/tards argue about racial/cultural "purity" and both male and female robots are incapable of differentiating between dating and sexual degeneracy, seeking instead to isolate their daughters from dating altogether ensuring that they will grow up to be socially ineffectual betas just like them.

>>26292562
>between dating and sexual degeneracy
So enlighten the class, don't keep it all to yourself.

>>26292342
How? That's just hypothetical arguing. In the hypothesis that you wouldn't have been able to get a good man of your own choosing nor live your life alone at peace by yourself, instead you would have been forced to settle for someone you did not care for, at the very least you should want something tangible and of very high value as compensation for being forced into such a shitty situation. If you find yourself forced to spread for your legs for someone you don't want at least make them pay an extremely high price for it. Not all women are fortunate, so they should at least be smart.

Which is pointless to me anyway seeing how I did get a good man of my own choosing, and I'm not so stupid to break his trust by having sex with another man who doesn't even love me as much as he does.

>>26278054
Disgusting slut tbqhwy

>>26292617
>>26292342
Here come the permavirgin betas, unable to read mad, that fembots get bfs and husbands and they can't even get a compliment.

>>26292590
Plenty of people dated casually in highschool/college without rutting in the woods like filthy pigs, isolating yourself from committed relationships ensures that when you actually want one you wont have any idea what you're doing. Relationships take practice, how many threads do you see on /r9k/ where people say if they had a gf they wouldn't even know what do with her? Not to mention you wont know what you should or shouldn't put up with in a girlfriend.

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I want to date but i feel like since i live at my mothers im never going to be able to bring anyone home or impress any women. The only reason i haven't moved out is because its more economical and i have a good relationship with my single mother. Are women really that repulsed with men that live at their parents place?

>>26292672
Say your mother has an illness and needs you to make sure she's okay

>>26292664
>isolating yourself from committed relationships ensures that when you actually want one you wont have any idea what you're doing

That's a problem for males not for females though. Girls talk to each other and to their mothers and have a good direction of what to expect from their partners even if they're virgins.

>>26292664
>Plenty of people dated casually in highschool/college without rutting in the woods like filthy pigs
No one's having long term bf/gf relationships without sex, maybe purity ring wearers but even then they just say they won't.

>how many threads do you see on /r9k/ where people say if they had a gf they wouldn't even know what do with her?
Robots can't even interact in regular social situations normally.

>isolating yourself from committed relationships ensures that when you actually want one you wont have any idea what you're doing
Serial monogamy has a strong negative correlation with marriage stability for women.

>>26292727
Implying men don't talk about women with their friends and fathers?? Literally no difference between men and women in this aspect.

>>26292768
>No one's having long term bf/gf relationships without sex
Commit suicide already if you can't control yourself

>>26292727

>Girls talk to each other and to their mothers
>Implying girls are ever honest to one another
>Implying modern mothers educate their daughters
>Implying both mothers and friends don't shame the idea of other women having sex

>>26292768
Many many people have been in long term relationships with no sex, you're fully deluded if you believe otherwise. Is it the norm? No, but neither is abstinence..

>>26292780
>Implying men don't talk about women with their friends and fathers??

You're right I always forget friendless permavirgin robots with single mothers aren't men. Men would be Chads. Robots are subhumans.

>>26292845
I was raised by a single mother. Am i fucked?

>>26292781
Nigger if I love someone it's because I also want to have sex with them. Otherwise they're just friends.

>>26292868
>Nigger if I love someone
If you love someone it's time to get married

>>26292860
Yeah, kill yourself in some original way.

>>26292877
Nope, first you need a long engagement/dating period to evaluate the man so as not to fall for someone who's pretending to love you but just want to use you.

Ideally you don't think about men until you're 30, you think about building your education and getting a good job so as to secure your living, then the first guy you date later in life (30 and over) is so good he's also the one you marry.

>>26292808
>>26292781
>Many many people have been in long term relationships with no sex
The majority haven't, by college something like 90% of people have had sex.
>abstinence
I'm confused are you separating the two? If you're dating and not having sex isn't that abstinence?
>>26292845
Dads get visiting time.
>>26292860
You're more likely to be.
>>26292894
If he's inclined to kill or murder it'd be more productive to kill a bunch of single mom kids or potential single mothers, of course there's the non-crazy option of fixing your shit.

>>26292945
>Nope
Then you aren't in love

>>26292945
Not many good fertile years left, fine if you don't want many kids.

>>26292949
>The majority haven't
And those people did wrong

>>26292966
Being in love doesn't mean being stupid. Too many men are scams at best murderers/rapists/abusers at worst.

>>26292949
>If he's inclined to kill or murder it'd be more productive to kill a bunch of single mom kids or potential single mothers

No need to, single mothers should just be encouraged to abort. The pill and other such contraceptives were invented so that women could have responsible sex not getting pregnant when they didn't want to.

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>Are there any white fembots who are conservative about sex on /r9k/?
yes
>Do you think having lots of partners makes sex less meaningful?
yes, definitely, i believe in only one partner
>Do you think women should wait to have sex?
yeah, i would not have sex with someone unless i was 100% sure he was the one i'm going to spend my life with
>Do you think sex should only happen with men you love?
definitely

>>26292994
>Too many men are scams at best murderers/rapists/abusers at worst
And they shouldn't be getting sex. Only husbands should and if you aren't at the point where you know he's not a scam then you aren't in love

>>26293024
Its a sad story really, my father wanted to abort me however my mother refused. Because of that he left my mother. Last thing i heard was he impregnated another woman shortly afterwards and i have a half sister somwhere in the world.
She thought she found someone nice when i turned 8, however he was a controlling abusive step father. My mother ended up leaving him since she became alcoholic and had to take medication from his abuse. I try to be a cool big brother to my little brother and sister so they dont grow up a failure like me.

>>26292994
>No need to, single mothers should just be encouraged to abort.
They plan the kids either because they're on benefits and don't need no man or grandma will take care of it or because they ditched daddy or they just wanted one.
>The pill and other such contraceptives were invented so that women could have responsible sex not getting pregnant when they didn't want to.
And they're obviously not using them because they don't want to, many women want kids and make poor choices to get them.
>>26292983
If it's abstinence for religious reasons they're best just married off young, there's already biblical basis to marry to quell temptation and divorce is verboten outside of infidelity.

Putting horny teens together is going to have a low rate of success keeping them abstinent.

>>26292949
What you say is true, the vast majority of people are fugging by college, I was saying that those 10% that practice abstinence are not the norm but still a large amount of people.

>>26293120
>they're best just married off young
I agree

>>26293024
You don't know if someone's a scam unless you frequent them a lot and observe their behaviour/ask them your questions and get their replies. After you've know each other for a while and like each other's company, have held hands and heavily made out or done non-penetrative sexual acts like him giving you cunnilingus (but his dick still hasn't gone into your vagina tho) and you're not repulsed by him in fact you like it when he kisses and touches you, and you like being held in his arms, and he isn't afraid of saying he wants to spend his whole life with you in front of others, that's when it's ok to trust him and have sex with him even if you're not married yet. Afterall, if he doesn't keep his word you've got witnesses he's the one who broke his promise and none of it is your fault.

>>26293133
I doubt many of the 10% have gone through many or any long term relationships though.
>>26293156
> and he isn't afraid of saying he wants to spend his whole life with you in front of others
There was a PUA guy doing just that to prey on women in their 30s, I'll go find the link.

>>26292607
I hope your just baiting me, but for the slight chance that your not a) stop trying to use big words to appear smart, it's cringeworthy. The fact you think women are "forced" to have sex with people they don't love shows you are simple minded. Unless they are raped they are not forced to have sex with anyone. B) exchanging tangible goods and especially money for sex is the definition of prostitution, and since you think this is acceptable behavior, it makes you a whore. Did you tell the man you are with you think it's alright to have sex with people you aren't interested in for money/ goods? >>26292661
Assuming that you aren't an upset roastie, has white knighting and defending women on the Internet gotten you laid yet man? Ive been in 2 different long term relationships and can assure virgins/ robots in this thread that my experience and what I have observed from friends/ families relationships is that women are not worth all the trouble they cause in your life. Sex is pretty cool but it's not that great and worth all the effort that you have to put into women to attain.

>>26293120
Just because someone want kids doesn't mean they don't use the pill. Married women take the pill regularly because they don't want more kids than they have, so do women who want to ease menstrual pain or just smart and careful women who don't want a child until they're ready for it.

>Are [race] women whores?
Do you even need to ask this?

>>26293191
I was wrong he didn't promise to marry her, he talked up having kids and starting a family and brought her around to see his parents, while dating 2 other women and doing the same to them.

>>26293191
PUA bullshit works only on desperate people, and it's still the man's shame for deceiving the woman.

>>26293235
>The fact you think women are "forced" to have sex with people they don't love shows you are simple minded. Unless they are raped they are not forced to have sex with anyone

Muslim shithole women are often forced into forced marriages, and nobody thinks they're being raped when in fact they are, just because it's their husband doing the raping. With the influx of muslim shithole people into europe this shitty mentality is a likely danger and shouldn't be ignored.

>exchanging tangible goods and especially money for sex is the definition of prostitution, and since you think this is acceptable behavior, it makes you a whore

So according to you one is a whore even when they're a virgin, just because they think circumstances matter. Huh-uh.

>Did you tell the man you are with you think it's alright to have sex with people you aren't interested in for money/ goods?

Yep. We agreed that exchanging sex for unnecessary money or goods is stupid, but gold diggers are very astute women and those who do it for basic necessities or as a way to spare someone's life as it is common under oppressive regimes are to be pitied and treated with compassion.

>>26293441
>Muslim shithole women are often forced into forced marriages, and nobody thinks they're being raped when in fact they are
Not even involved in this conversation, but this is literally cringe.

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>>26293473
'sup Ahmed.
Please don't kill your daughter when she says she doesn't want to marry her retarded cousin from Pakistan.

>>26293504
>>>/tumblr/
Women should know their place :^)

>>26293236
You've missed the point, I'm not saying all people who want kids don't use the pill I'm saying some women who are single moms planned to be single moms by not using birth control with their boyfriends or partners, the kids aren't accidents.
An egregious example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5186614.stm

>>26293521
And the permavirgin beta reveals all his bitter nonsensical hate.

>>26293542
But anon, only permavirgin betas let women walk all over them.
Women are weak, and the weak should stay in line lest they're killed by the strong.
We employ the same tactics on sandniggers in the middle east.

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>>26293568
>But anon, only permavirgin betas let women walk all over them
Wrong. Permavirgin betas are those who end up mass murderers. See r9k's poster boy and all the praise he gets.

>Women are weak, and the weak should stay in line lest they're killed by the strong
Which ironically doesn't apply to women but to you since normies bullying you is keeping the weak in line, while women are protected since they're more valuable than you.

>>26293696
>Wrong. Permavirgin betas are those who end up mass murderers.
Oh right, because Ted Bundy was definitely a permavirgin beta and not a notorious womanizer :^)
>Which ironically doesn't apply to women
Kek, stopped reading there.

>>26293775
Not all mass murderers are likely to be permavirgin betas, but all permavirgin betas are likely to be mass murderers, since both stem from severe mommy issues.

>>26293441
Are you a Muslim? If so I feel sorry for you, if not than that is irrelevant because majority of the users on this site aren't from 3rd world shit holes so that's not who we"re discussing. How does being a virgin equate into you thinking having sex for money doesn't make you a whore? We're talking about sex for money, which is something you and your cuck of a husband seem to think is alright so you both seem to be missing a moral compass. I guess maybe a virgin could try to use people without having sex with them and get them to by her stuff, but that's still a shitty thing to do. Why not work for your money instead of using people?

>>26293860
And not all whores are women, but all women are likely to be whores.
So it balances out.
The weak whores are killed by slightly less weak permavirgins (or much stronger womanizers) and we all get something to laugh at for a few weeks while women whine about it.
Win-win-win.

>>26287493
>>26289383

I agree with you on most things you've written. Male sexdrive is very powerful and too often
in todays society takes harmful directions, like most notably the PUA-community.

I'm interested to know your thoughts on the sexual revolution in relation to your views on male-female relationships.

>>26293861
>majority of the users on this site aren't from 3rd world shit holes
I must contend with that. Most are Americans.

>How does being a virgin equate into you thinking having sex for money doesn't make you a whore?
It'd be the same as thinking someone who merely praised a certain practice of murder and a group of murderers and rapists makes him a murderer too, which isn't possible as you guys have contended since he was merely expressing an opinion. Why are you being such an hypocrite now that expressing an opinion equals to carrying out an action?

>>26293883
>And not all whores are women, but all women are likely to be whores.
False, since there's no condition for it to happen under normal state. Betas are not normal.

>The weak whores are killed by slightly less weak permavirgins (or much stronger womanizers) and we all get something to laugh at for a few weeks while women whine about it

Sure until you kill yourself too for being further ostracized and rejected by your peers.

>>26293999
>False, since there's no condition for it to happen under normal state.
Uhh, what?
You do realize that women are naturally whores, right?
They gravitate towards the strongest men and will literally throw themselves at his mercy because they know they're there to be bred.
>Sure until you kill yourself too for being further ostracized and rejected by your peers.
But my peers agree with my views, that's the best part.

>>26294024
>You do realize that women are naturally whores, right?

Ahh typical r9k delusional bullshit. A thread doesn't feel complete without it.

>They gravitate towards the strongest men and will literally throw themselves at his mercy because they know they're there to be bred.

First you say a whore is someone who exchanges money/goods for sex, then you say a whore is someone who thinks circumstances matter, now you say a whore is someone who wants the best possible mate to have children with. That's not how definitions work, you're merely shifting the goalposts to validate your bullshit. A woman isn't a whore just because she doesn't want you, in fact she's someone intelligent to refuse a hateful and dangerous person like you. If she were really a whore she would have proposed sex with you for a price, instead they all avoid you.

>But my peers agree with my views
Yeah I know r9k loves to circlejerk.

>>26294108
>Ahh typical r9k delusional bullshit. A thread doesn't feel complete without it.
But anon, it's true, why do you think prostitution is one of the oldest professions?
>First you say a whore is someone who exchanges money/goods for sex, then you say a whore is someone who thinks circumstances matter
When did I ever say that, whore?

>>26294134
So what, once and for all, do you actually mean by whore? If all women are whores then the term is meaningless.

>>26294134
>But anon, it's true
Nope, it's bullshit and you know it.

>When did I ever say that, whore?
When you started calling someone a whore for expressing an opinion. I guess since you are of the opinion that murderers are OK you are a murderer too.

>>26294161
A whore is a woman who leverages her body (and only her body) to gain an advantage over others and uses it in lieu of any kid of skills, training, or qualifications.
This includes
>Prostitutes
>Secretaries that blow the boss
>Most entertainment whores (most actresses, pornstars, "booth babes," cosplayers, etc. etc.
>>26294185
>Nope, it's bullshit and you know it.
No, it's true, again, prostitution is the oldest profession for a reason.
Women have been whores since before we knew what a whore was.
>When you started calling someone a whore for expressing an opinion.
When did I do that, whore?

>>26294161
>all women who don't want to fuck me are whores for being repulsed by me... and those who'd fuck me are whores too because women who have sex are disgusting!!

>>26294185
I don't think middle-eastern guy and supporting marrying for money is whoredom guy are the same person.

>>26294108
>now you say a whore is someone who wants the best possible mate to have children with.
Actually, the reason we're so genetically fucked is because of low-quality women passing on their genes.
A woman shouldn't be passing on her genes just because she's a woman, that's not how it works, otherwise you end up with a lot of genetically inferior children.
Basically, the reason betas exist is because their mothers were of poor-quality genetic stock, which is why regulating women's sexuality is not only the best course of action for humanity, but also benefits even future generations of women by basically breeding betas out of existence by getting rid of both genetically inferior men AND genetically inferior women.

>>26294209
>No, it's true
Nope, it's bullshit. You know it and you don't want to admit it.

>A whore is a woman who leverages her body (and only her body) to gain an advantage over others and uses it in lieu of any kid of skills, training, or qualifications
>actresses, pornstars, "booth babes," cosplayers, etc. etc

You don't know what those professions/hobbies entail and are only talking complete nonsense. Nobody wants to look at an uggo no matter their qualification, the first qualification for any job related to the human image IS looking good physically. Bitter virgin confirmed, possibly a muslim terrorist for hating female beauty and going immediately to sexual thoughts when presented with it.

>When did I do that, whore?
Are you just pretending to be retarded, murderer?

>>26294217
Maybe he has a personality disorder.

>>26294305
>Nope, it's bullshit. You know it and you don't want to admit it.
Whatever you say anon, it's okay if you can't accept it, but historical evidence outweighs your denial.
>Nobody wants to look at an uggo no matter their qualification, the first qualification for any job related to the human image IS looking good physically.
Nah, most dudes don't give a fuck if the guy making their video games is an ugly neckbeard, that's just a female state of mind (which is understandable, women are stupid so they're pretty susceptible to this kind of thing, why do you think Ted Bundy had such an easy time murdering so many of them? They saw a decent-looking confident guy and immediately let their guard down).
Women care about looks so heavily because it's all they really have, all they can offer to society.
Which is how they were designed, they're not designed to be diplomats or professionals, they're designed to pump out and look after children.
>Are you just pretending to be retarded, murderer?
Are you?

>>26294292
But all betas like you are poor-quality genetic stock, and being males your drive to sex and reproduction is much stronger than your mothers', that's why you keep whining over women rejecting you and tfw no gf. Therefore you are the more pressing matter. Before regulating poor-quality genetic stock women we need to regulate poor-quality genetic stock men, which means castrating or killing all betas so they cannot spread their inferior genes. Then with no more betas around there would be no need to regulate poor-quality genetic stock women's sexuality, as Chad is a tiny minority among men and can afford to reject those not good enough for him, so inferior women would naturally be forced to accept their role as cat ladies while Chad and Stacy can now rule a peaceful world.

>>26294436
>Before regulating poor-quality genetic stock women we need to regulate poor-quality genetic stock men
Not possible, as those poor-quality genetic stock men have personal strength to resist, and many of them actually make up the governing forces (government, military, militia, etc.)
You can't force anyone to do anything as a woman, you can only try to get a man to do it for you, but that doesn't work when you're trying to get a man to kill himself.
Sorry m8, but society would collapse without men, and I'm grateful for even the lowest-quality men so long as they're providing for their country and their peoples (something that women don't really do).

>>26294436
>Therefore you are the more pressing matter.
That doesn't make sense, the betas aren't reproducing en mass or at all if you use this site as an example, they're not going to pass on any inferior gene stock.

>>26294366
>historical evidence
Your bullshit isn't historical evidence, anon.

>Nah, most dudes don't give a fuck if the guy making their video games is an ugly neckbeard
There you go moving the goalposts again. What game developers do has nothing to do with "actresses, pornstars, "booth babes," cosplayers, etc. etc". They're completely different professions. Videogames are only tangentially related to the human image, you want your hero to look good for the game to sell but the model you're basing your hero after isn't doing the same thing as the chick who's coding it and doesn't require the same skills. Your relations make no sense.

>Women care about looks so heavily because blah blah bullshit blah.
And more bullshit. There's women happy and successful in all sorts of professions and you refuse to acknowledge their existence because it upsets your hate view. Either that, or you're a bored troll looking for easy bait.

>>26294600
>Either that, or you're a bored troll looking for easy bait.
You've been here a while now, why don't you get what trolling is?

>>26294600
>Your bullshit isn't historical evidence, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution#Ancient_Near_East
>There you go moving the goalposts again. What game developers do has nothing to do with "actresses, pornstars, "booth babes," cosplayers, etc. etc". They're completely different professions.

>Nobody wants an uggo no matter their qualification
Your exact words m8.
And that said, there are A LOT of video games with ugly protagonists.
Shit, just look at GTA V, Trevor and Michael are both ugly shits, same for the fat programmer guy, yet the game is one of the best-selling games of all time.
>There's women happy and successful in all sorts of professions
What does that have to do with women caring about their looks?
Pretty much every woman regardless of profession wears makeup, push-up bras, or some other form of artificial beautifier, so clearly they care about their looks.

>>26293156
>that's when it's ok to trust him and have sex with him even if you're not married yet
'no'

>>26294469
>>26294538
>the betas aren't reproducing en mass or at all
Only because women reject them. That's why betas advocate rape to be legal or belittle it when it happens, if they were allowed to get away with rape they'd do it.

>Not possible
Oh yes it's possible. If you won't kill yourself you can always be killed by someone else.

>You can't force anyone to do anything as a woman
Wrong again.

>society would collapse without men
Nah, it would be better off without betas. Remember WW2 when all the men were off fighting and the women were making the nation run? Life back then with virtually no men around (or at least only a tiny selected minority of them) was much better than now with all the betas loitering around harassing women. Betas needing a good weeding out again. Chad can stay.

>>26294712
>If you won't kill yourself you can always be killed by someone else.
Right, another man.
Not a woman.
>Wrong again.
But it's true, women by themselves can't force anyone to do anything aside from maybe their children.
Women are weak, the weak have no power, so they rely on the strong (men) to protect them.
>Remember WW2 when all the men were off fighting and the women were making the nation run?
Ahh yes, the generation that led to a lot of bastards, orphans, organized crime, and general debauchery, how could I forget.
Yes, that's what we can expect from a female-society, lots of crime going completely unchecked because women can't do shit about it.
Sorry anon, but women are shit at running countries, the only thing they're good at is running a household.
And notice, I said running, not protecting.
Women are weak, they can't really protect anything.
Shit, they can't even protect themselves.

>>26294712
>Only because women reject them
It doesn't matter why it happens the betas aren't reproducing.
>Betas needing a good weeding out again. Chad can stay.
Chads were being put into service people of poor health were being kept home. The military wants the healthiest soldiers not inferior genetic stock.
>Life back then with virtually no men around (or at least only a tiny selected minority of them) was much better than now
ALL of the people in power were still men, and with the rationing going on it really wasn't much of a party.

>>26294679
>There you go moving the goalposts again. What game developers do has nothing to do with "actresses, pornstars, "booth babes," cosplayers, etc. etc". They're completely different professions.
>Nobody wants an uggo no matter their qualification
>Your exact words m8.

Wow, I had no idea you were that much of an autist not to get "Nobody wants an uggo no matter their qualification" was implied to refer to the entertainment professions. You need everything spelled out for you like a toddler.

>just look at GTA V
The young men buying and playing GTA V aren't buying it for the protagonists' looks, they aren't homos, but for other factors. And GTA V is still inferior compared to games such as FF7 where the protagonists' looks have helped attract a much larger audience than GTA V.

>What does that have to do with women caring about their looks?
You said women only care about their looks because it's all they can offer, I pointed out to you that is not true. Now you're going from an extreme like that to
>clearly they care about their looks
which is a perfectly normal and innocent action, caring about one's looks is normal and expected in decent society, men do it too. Do you not? That would explain a lot of things, poor hygiene is not acceptable.

>>26278393
If I had a gf who was available for sex reasonably often I wouldn't use porn really. You just need to take care of it a couple times a week or it gets annoying.

>>26294853
>Wow, I had no idea you were that much of an autist not to get "Nobody wants an uggo no matter their qualification
>T-THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT
Don't try to save face now m8.
>And GTA V is still inferior compared to games such as FF7 where the protagonists' looks have helped attract a much larger audience than GTA V.
Except GTA V has sold more than FF7, so it's objectively superior.
>You said women only care about their looks because it's all they can offer, I pointed out to you that is not true.
And you're wrong, otherwise the cosmetics industry wouldn't be a billion dollar industry.
>which is a perfectly normal and innocent action, caring about one's looks is normal and expected in decent society, men do it too.
Men don't wear makeup for the most part m8.
Only women care so much that they'll literally try to change their natural appearance to appease others.
And this is because women are not only weak physically, but also socially; they're extremely susceptible to peer pressure, not unlike a child.

>>26294691
Yes.

>>26294773
Right, another man.
Not a woman.

Do you know there's women who have killed their husbands with brute force? An australian one skinned her husband and decapitated him in a fit of rage. Another turkish woman brutally decapitated her rapist by herself.

>But it's true, women by themselves can't force anyone to do anything aside from maybe their children
Wrong.

>Ahh yes, the generation that led to a lot of bastards, orphans, organized crime, and general debauchery
That's the typical depiction of the 50's. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?

>Yes, that's what we can expect from a female-society, lots of crime going completely unchecked because women can't do shit about it
I've proposed killing all men but you seem to be against this for some reason. Shame, because it's men who commit crimes. There were no crimes when there weren't men around.

>Sorry anon, but women are shit at running countries, the only thing they're good at is running a household
Wrong again. Should I post great female political leaders to prove you wrong?

>Women are weak, they can't really protect anything
If you want to be like a soldier who protects that means the woman is the commander whom you obey. You do not sound obedient, therefore you need to be put down as you're unfit to protect anyone.

>>26294822
>It doesn't matter why it happens the betas aren't reproducing
Yes it does.

>The military wants the healthiest soldiers not inferior genetic stock
Not in the case of cannon fodder, cannon fodder should be inferior genetic stock because it makes no sense to waste good genetic material for cannon foddering.

>>26295042
>Not in the case of cannon fodder, cannon fodder should be inferior genetic stock because it makes no sense to waste good genetic material for cannon foddering.
Screening happens before you join, inferior stock is left home.

>>26295042
>Do you know there's women who have killed their husbands with brute force? An australian one skinned her husband and decapitated him in a fit of rage. Another turkish woman brutally decapitated her rapist by herself.
The exceptions that prove the rule.
Sorry anon, but yes, women are weak, you cannot kill me.
>Wrong.
True
>That's the typical depiction of the 50's. Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
And the 40s, AKA during WW2.
And let's not forget the Great Depression, which was also right before WW2 began and lasted through part of it.
>Shame, because it's men who commit crimes.
It's also men that run the world.
Men are what keep your electricity maintained so that you and I can even talk online.
Men are what keep you safe at night since god knows you're too incompetent to defend yourself.
Men are what keep the city you live in operating and functioning properly (municipals, maintenance, constructions, etc. etc.).
>Wrong again. Should I post great female political leaders to prove you wrong?
Please god post someone like Queen Elizabeth so I can laugh in your face.
>If you want to be like a soldier who protects that means the woman is the commander whom you obey
Actually, soldiers protect their country, which by extension protects their way of life.
Women are selfish by nature, so they don't really look after anyone but themselves and their children (who are an extension of their selves).

>>26277589
You have to be actively obnoxious and/or a chadchaser to be the sort of girl who only gets used for sex