Today I had a discussion with my virgin friend (we both are 21). The topic came to what we look for in a girl. I told him I would only marry a virgin. He got really angry and told me it was the most immature thing he's ever heard.
Is he right?
I know Chads appreciate girls who put out easy because it means a quick and easy no-strings attached bang, but why would a virgin with no relationship experience be so quick to defend a girl who has had a lot of sexual partners? Does it actually not matter?
It's immature for the times. Take what you can get these days. You're also saying that someone else should be deprived of their own sexual experiences in life just to be with your goofy ass. It would be nice for a novelty but she's no longer a virgin after the first time you have sex. Why even give a fuck
Someone post the charts, I'm on mobile. OP, you're in the right, your friend just doesn't know any better.
>you'd propose to someone before making sure they're into the same kind of sex as you
sex is part of a relationship.
your friend probably would like a virgin partner, but for her to not be a virgin by the time they married.
>It's immature for the times
this. sexuality has become part of growing up. it's why people get married way later.
if you were getting married at 14, that'd make sense.
when you say " i want to marry a virgin" you're saying " i want to marry a child"
image u got lucky once or twice and then after ..you met a great girl, lots in common, great times and all that........ and she held it against you
you'd kill yourself (hopefully)
know what i mean?
it aint all that nigga
Relationships are about your desires and a reflection of your desires from your partner. There is nothing wrong with what you want, so long as you accept the consequences of wanting what you want.
True. I guess is the point just that are society is such that getting a virgin is absolutely impossible in this day and age?
Could you please type this again? I have no clue what you're trying to say. I've had many opportunities for sex, it's not like I'm just some thirsty beta who would sex anyone if they got the chance, I don't see the point of sex without eventually getting married/ having kids.
The only men who care about virgins are the ones who can't get laid. Let's be real here if a women has a normal sex history i.e a few one night stands and a few boyfriends then what's so bad about that? You look at them like an object and something you own rather than something you love. You can't love someone only under certain conditions you either do or you don't.
The same could be said for most girls. Unless you can find out evidence to the contrary (or actions that might lead to the contrary) it's just a matter of them telling the truth.
For example, girls never straight up tell me how many partners they've had, but I think you can get a pretty good estimate about the type of person they are based on how they interact with others, how they dress, and such.
>You can't love someone only under certain conditions you either do or you don't.
I hear stuff like this all the time but do you really believe this? Show me a single example of someone loving someone REGARDLESS of their looks, money, status, personality, etc.
And loving someone for who they are and the decisions they've made seems more of a real love than loving someone regardless of how they act or what they do.
>Wouldn't I know if she's a virgin after I've had sex with her? I'm no sexpert so I'll need somebody to confirm or deny.
How? Are you saying just by how "good" she is in bed? Sure, there might be a correlation, but it's not like a switch goes off after she's had sex. Additionally, it's not like one can't learn without actually putting a penis in their vagina.
>Doesn't the hymen break (and bleed) after they have sex for the first time? That's what I've been told.
I honestly don't know, I'd love to hear other people's experiences. Conventional science says that, but I've read hundreds of angry women videos and blogs attesting that the hymen more often than not breaks beforehand in other ways with horseback riding or whatever. I don't know if it's true or if it's just girls trying to cover up their sexual history.
With that being said, I'm sure it could be broken if they were masturbating with a dildo or something. So them having no hymen would certainly not necessarily be cause for concern, but to what degree, I am not sure.
Why would a virgin be shoving shit up there? Sounds like a whore in the making. I don't think women can lie about being virgins. I wouldn't be fooled by a woman.
I think there are virgin qts out there and if there aren't then maybe it's best to stay a virgin.
sex is fun
> I don't see the point of sex without eventually getting married/ having kids
well, that's ur deal anon
no strings attached sex and all that
imo... nothing wrong with that
sex for its own sake is no big deal
no big deal at all
make a big deal if u want but more fool u imo
if you met the right girl it wouldnt matter one way or the other
wouldn;t matter wheather youn knew or not or whether she know or not you know?
Their looks and personality is part of who they are. If you can't accept someone for the decisions they've made then don't be with that person. Real love is unconditional, but don't confuse that with compatability. I have ex gfs I will always love and memories I will always cherish, but just because I love them doesn't mean I want to be with them.
Yah it matters, wouldn't be too hasty to seal it off as the only option but it is the best option.
Marriage and family related materials.
So then don't fool around yourself?
>Why would a virgin be shoving shit up there? Sounds like a whore in the making.
You've got it all right. While they might be correlated, it's still important to note the difference between a hyper-sexual women and a women that can't make good life-decisions or hold a long-term relationship.
A girl isn't a whore if she has sex with the same guy 1000 times, she's a whore if she has sex with 1000 guys. While the physical affects might be the same, it's the mental affects (both innate and caused) that are much more important.
There's nothing wrong with a girl who masturbates all the time but shows restraint when it comes to not being a whore with guys.
Same goes for guys. There's nothing wrong with a guy who masturbates all the time or has sex with their wife 5 times a day, it's only the guy who has sex with 5 different women a week who's going to have a hard time/ not to be trusted in terms of a long-term relationship.
relationships are economics. you want to invest early because everyone makes mistakes, and when you're young (high school and prior) mistakes can only be so bad. as an adult the stakes are higher, and while risks as a preteen cost maybe hundreds of dollars, the potential for damage as adults can be tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. as kids, a couple can learn what kinds of mistakes and where and how to focus their investments in their partners. as an adult, all the stakes are on the table immediately, there is no room for growth because both partners have already grown. the only thing left is to just throw your capital at her and hope that she is a magical perfect match for you
in short, you are correct but you are also fucked. welcome to the club
This. I'm so sick of people trying to alltogether disregard statistics because "IT COULD STILL WORK OUT!!!11" Marriage is (or at least should be a big deal), ignoring the facts because of your feel feels is retarded as fuck and explains why the divorce rate is so fucking high.
Dude, I don't even know what you're saying. You're fucking stating your opinions like they're facts. I'll call a bitch a whore because of the way she's dressed. I don't need to know her sexual history. How would you even know someones sexual history? You can't. You can only make assumptions based on your interactions with them. If I think she's a whore then she's a fucking whore.
Fuck you piece of shits
Sex is meant to be done with someone you love, not for money or entertainment.
And Sex is not a part of being a mature adult and people who choose celibacy have exhibited self control and actual maturity.
does it matter? happiness is on there too
or are you saying they should destroy their happy relationship just because the fact that it was constructed for them runs against our social norms?
>marrying a full grown adult
>almost certainly fucked in the head
>still have time to make them into reasonable human beings
>There's nothing wrong with a guy who masturbates all the time
A lot of marriages have been strained because of porn addiction, if you're fapping all day and not fucking your wife you're gonna have marital woes.
Here's the statistics on virginity and sexual contact by age.
The PDF it comes from:
It's a study done in the USA so i'd expect the number of arranged marriages to be statistically insignificant.
Even if it were significant most divorces are initiated by women and the men usually report being happy in the relationship up until they get hit with divorce papers. Strictly from the male perspective if she's sticking with you just because it's an arranged marriage you're still going to be long term happy.
>Why would a virgin be shoving shit up there?
Why do men stroke their dicks?
I'm a virgin but once I started masturbating it just became an occasional thing. But when I get horny the fingers nice on their own.
Would I fuck any man or have casual sex? No. But I've only shoved 1 finger, can't for anything else. And would be pissed if I got accused of being a whore when I've never done anything sexual with another person for 23 years..
>Would I fuck any man or have casual sex? No.
The right Chad hasn't come along, eh? These fucking whores. I don't give a fuck what you think. In a year, you'll be a whore and I'll be no different.
This. There's absolutely nothing wrong with masturbation. The negatives of a non-virgin women have to do with their mental state and ability to pair-bond, not her vagina (other than of course STDs/ abortions sort of stuff).
It's the only physical indicator of female virginity, it's not accurate (anal, blowjobs, etc) but if you're missing your hymen it's a fair assumption that you've had PIV sex especially given the low number of virgins at your age.
No need to sperg.
Are you still together?
Do you have any info on him? I've seen him around but never got any source or videos or pictures outside of 4chan. He definitely seems like a chill dude and I totally feel for him considering how hard it must be to be so short.
>No need to sperg.
Go fuck yourself, you fucking faggot. These fucking white knight beta orbiter fucks have the nerve to respond to me. Take this shit to fucking /soc/ or to the grave. Hopefully sooner than later.
The two times i took girls virginitys (rip highschool) they bled like bad circumcisions.
Another time i had a sex with a girl and she bled very badly, however she told me she wasn't a virgin, when i pressed her about it i found out she had only had a sex a single time before then so it was pretty much still virgin as fuck up until someone makes it bleed everywhere a few times.
If she doesn't have an initial bleeding she has had some sex at least
Yes and yes, 5 years dating 3 married
It was complete chance. She had personal standards like refusing to meet somebody online or through friends/family/work, which combined with being a homebody meant she had never dated. She didn't place any particular importance on her virginity either, so there was no freak out when she lost it like some girls get. We were penpals for a bit, but distance meant i was never friend zoned despite not dating. She was a bit chubby, but when she slimmed out I swooped in.
I got to teach her how to masturbate, which is not something most guys get to do even if they lose it in hs.
As for those charts about martial success and sexual partners, I agree with them 100%. My relationship is so simple compared to my peers; when I hear girls talk about their relationships it's not something I can relate to. You never love anybody like your first.
In a way I'm glad that I didn't lose my virginity until I was out of school, I hated it at the time but being emotionally stunted until I was starting my career and meeting somebody in the same boat is probably the best thing to ever happen to me.
I made it r9k. I almost didn't ask her for her number too. Sometimes I shudder when I think about it.
When I took a girls virginity she didn't bleed the first time. First time was really gentle though. She bled the second time though, which made a big mess because we weren't expecting it.
Holy fuck, senpai.
You're part of the problem.
Why does maintaining your virginity mean giving up all forms of erotic stimulation?
I don't see a problem with a girl getting fingered or giving a blow job so long as she doesn't receive a penis into her anus or vagina before marriage.
It's a dumb, pathetic, and impractical standard, not to mention it displays an inherent mistrust of women. You will never have a relationship if you can't respect a girl enough to accept her not actively forgoing a fun and healthy activity.
This shit you say about "chads" is really stupid. You think any girl who isn't a virgin is an easy no-strings-attached bang? How about a girl who just has sex with their boyfriend? You know, the emotionally healthy girl who actually knows herself and has explored the human experience? Furthermore, the GIRL WHO WILL GIVE YOU MORE PLEASURE?
God damn you should really meet some women before deciding which standards to impose on them, you know so little
>all these literal cucks
If you've EVER had sex with a girl who has so much as gotten fingured by another male then YOU ARE A KEK. Deal with it.
I've been with my current gf for 4 years and we lost our virginity to each other btw.