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Serious question for discussion, no bait. Is being a beta provider really that bad as long as your wife doesn't cheat on you and the child(ren) are yours?

Practically, the alternative is to be alone for the rest of your life with no channel (in this case your wife and your employment) to join society. While at the same time still not having any companionship in a partner or pride in a son or daughter.

I would gladly settle with a wife with reasonably good genetics even if she's somewhat degenerate and had what we would call a wild past. At this point in my life it's doubtful that I can get even that. I want a family and a career that, while at the lower tier, I care about enough to inspire me to improve as a person and a member of society.

On the other hand, it's very possible that this is not worth it and I'd be better with 2D. Thoughts?
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>>26218871

>thoughts?

ask me on a different day and i would give you a different answer.

i don't think i'll be having any children.
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>>26218871
microchimerism

the kids would not be your own
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try it and if it goes to shit then switch back to being alone. you'll be 100% certain that way.
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>>26218871
Your problem is you're not looking at having a wife and children objectively. These are things that, if you are a beta kuk, will be awful and only get worse. The only reason you want these things is because they are indicators of "masculinity" where the only required commitment is that you show up. Being that you're insecure about your masculinity, you want an easy solution like a wife and kids so that people will recognize you as being masculine without you having to actually walk the walk.

TLDR: you're an insecure manchild who thinks with his feelings.
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>>26218925
nice meme, this phenomenon only occurs if the woman actually becomes pregnant
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>>26218925
>microchimerism

i get that, but if that's a thing then how come she isn't pregnant already? as long as you're the dude who gets her pregnant, microchimerism or not you're the father.

but that zika virus top kuk.
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I really want a gf but I'm pretty sure money makes me happier.
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>>26218944

>masculinity
>manchild
>blablabllabla "you're insecure"

ask me how i know you're from tumblr. i was kidding i don't care.
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>>26218871
>as long as your wife doesn't cheat on you
That's the whole reason being a beta provider is fucked, that and she can't ever really love you.

Getting scammed does not a good relationship make.
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>This is the kind of shit we have to deal with now that Robots are growing up

Fuck. And you shitheads complain that I smoke weed too. I hope all your backs break.
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>>26218969
It only happens if sperm actually meets egg and is allowed to embed in the uterine lining. Basically, ask your GF if shes ever had to use Plan B contraception. If she hasnt then youll be 100% non kuk guaranteed
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>>26218969
because the sperm cells get stored in her brain lol

also she wont love you because of inability to pairbond.
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>>26219001
>love
>pairbond

At this point, I've accepted the fact that this won't happen. I'm physically healthy, but my genetics are quite poor. I'd rather have a woman that is loyal and sometimes-sweet than no woman at all. Even if she does reminisce about Chad sometimes. Is that so bad?
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I think I may be on the road to being a beta provider. I have been dating this girl for a couple months and she is legitimately the best thing that's ever happened to me. Obviously I'm not proposing yet or anything, but I could see it happening. When I'm around her, I'm happy. When she's mad at me I'm upset, but even that's better than the emotional nothingness I felt before. She's so pretty and funny and charismatic I honestly can't believe I'm lucky enough to be with her.
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I want to be a beta provider, but for a nice girl who actually loves me back and didn't spend 20 years from 15 to 35 getting fucked by drug dealers every weekend.
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>>26219001

i am beginning to think that pairbonding does not mean being sexually exclusive to one another.

she does love you but not all the time. so what to do boys? that's why Chad's gonna chad, it's really the only way to enjoy life.

>>26218990

that doesn't answer anything other than "how to avoid other dudes sperms."
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>>26219050
Cohabitate maybe but don't propose until you've lived with her for at least a few years and have seriously discussed children. This isn't robot science either, I think this is what most normies will advise too.
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>>26219039
>>26219050
>>26219058

that's funny because i can't even figure out if we're a thing or not let alone

>marriage
>love
>is that so bad?

who is to say if its bad or not when you are the boss of yourself.
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>>26219058
this desu
dominant wife is the best anyway
its the submissive low self esteem girls who fall for chads BS
OP if she's a strong woman who values commitment and knows what she wants and keeps it then dont give a shit if shes had sex or relationships in the past

>>26219074
given our Sodom 2.0 I don't think even Chad can hold out hopes for getting a non sperm tainted girl

>>26219039
>is that so bad?
depends on you desu, if you're the type that cant deal with it then dont go for it.
it would suck if you couldnt handle a relationship after a couple years
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>beta bux
>marriage
>children

there isn't shit. there's no marriage or children or beta bux, there's only work, more "the game" and 4chan.

that's all we have now.
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>>26218871
She will cheat on you.
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>>26219115
more "the game"

elaborate?
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>>26218871
>beta
>your wife doesn't cheat on you
good one.
everybody knows they stopped making that model years ago.
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>>26219123
What if part of my strategy is to work hard to keep her sexually satisfied? I would looksmax as far as I am able, and always make her cum first through oral.
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>>26219127

i made a thread about it.

>>26218039

basically im saying relationships now are not progressing past a certain point into the mature marriage and children stage because women don't seem to give a fuck how men feel until they decide that enough is enough and its time to find a man to father her children and nobody is really interested.
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>>26219115
>>26219123
>>26219158
>>26219058

Here's your reality check OP.

The plan you describe is how people were ACTUALLY doing it from the beginning of fucking time. There was no true love, ever. Everyone settles, everyone is miserable.

Sorry to say it, but even that shitty status quo is long gone.
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>>26219161

that's not it bud. the only way to not be "beta" is to be sexually active with different women all the time.

if you're a monogamist, you're automatically a beta.

in fact, if you are loyal to one girl for even 3 days, you are automatically a beta.
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>>26219183

>Everyone settles

ho ho ho that's what you think. i don't have to do shit.
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>>26219199
Yeah, maybe to 20somethings, but right now we're talking about a 30 year old woman who doesn't have many other options in the way of commitment and providership. As long as she's sexually satisfied, what reason does she have to trash her life? Doesn't research also show that women are the ones who, at an older age, tend to be the clingy ones?
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What you are describing is not a beta provider
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good thread op. nice to have a break from the race bait and femanon shit.

that said it's a pipe dream. your average chad is the ones who become beta providers when they are 30. your average robot has already committed suicide or diabeted to death by that age.
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>>26219227

i've seen a lot of 30 somethings become escorts and provide for themselves.

i think you're mistaken in the fact that men still give a shit about having "commitment and providership". lel what the fuck
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>>26219228
In your view what have I described and what would you describe as a beta provider?
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>>26219263
If they didn't then why do robots exist and why is loneliness damaging? We have so much free porn on demand that it can't be sexual release
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>>26218871
Sounds like getting married out of desperation
i'd rather die alone
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how can you be thinking about beta providers, "commitment and providership" and stuff like this when you don't even have anyone ?

a man should want to be that person for a woman first. if that man doesn't want to be a beta provider, then what will you do?

i've seen a lot of early 30 somethings become escorts
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>>26218871
Being a beta provider enables shitty behavior from women. While it may not negatively effect you personally, you're still screwing over a large segment of the male population by basically telling women that even if she makes poor sexual/social/economic decisions, there will always be some beta male with a decent income who will economically provide for them and give them children if they so desire. By discouraging men from settling with these low quality women, it forces women as a whole to make better decisions about the way the conduct themselves which is good for everyone.

tl:dr: beta providers create a pool of low quality women and by abstaining from it, will help create better quality women for more people
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>>26219286

if i don't love a woman i would want to fuck a different woman fairly soon because i don't want to commit or provide.
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ya all those 30+ unwed women will become escorts.

i dunno wtf the 30+ unwed men are going to be.
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>>26219343
I have a cynical view on love, I see love as purely conditional and if you want something and someone gives it to you, then who's to say that's any different than if you had it with someone else? The only people who want to fuck someone different when their needs are being met are people for whom novelty is a priority for happiness, and I am not one of those people.
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>>26219393

and yet you are the one to tell them that their needs are being met.
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>>26219199
>if you're a monogamist, you're automatically a beta.
The shit this board says sometimes.
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>>26219430

ya, if you're a guy this is true.
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>>26218871
>Beta provider

fuck that shit I rather kill myself then to support a used up roastie.
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>>26219446
Alphas make shit societies then.
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>>26218871
If both like the traditional gender roles, theres nothing wrong. In fact a man should be able to provide for his family, ifthe woman embraces her duties.

Provider yes
Beta no
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just be attractive and you'll always have some dude tryin' to provide.

if your past 30 and your looks are gone oh well sucks to be you.

you can still make a killing being an escort.
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>>26218871

>seeking pride in your kids

This is how robots are made
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>>26219058
good luck with that
>>26219161
>implying you can ever please woman
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>>26219337
Wow, so you recommend dying alone than to provide for an post-degenerate woman just to show women that men want better quality women? Dang...
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>>26219590

if you put it that way, yes.
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>>26218871
Femanon here. I met my husband when I was 15, lost my virginity to him, and I've never cheated, never would. We have two sons so far, but hoping to have 8-10 kids. I'm thoroughly obsessed with him, I would probably kill myself if he ever dies or leaves me. I think we're soul mates.

He works at home, I take care of the house and kids. Should I feel degenerate/like a loser? I never went to college because we planned for me to take care of the kids. Does that make me a failure? Or a leech?
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>>26219622

yeah okay nice bait.
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>>26219622
>He works at home, I take care of the house and kids. Should I feel degenerate/like a loser? I never went to college because we planned for me to take care of the kids. Does that make me a failure? Or a leech?
More like a success story.

Marriage and family related materials.
Links
http://www.medicaldaily.com/ignorance-bliss-when-it-comes-marriage-fewer-partners-youve-had-more-likely-your-298752
http://socialpathology.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html
http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2012/08/more-promiscuity-data.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/07/single_motherhood_worse_for_children_.html
psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/03/22/how-common-is-cheating-infidelity-really/
www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/unmarried-childbearing.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/magazine/does-a-more-equal-marriage-mean-less-sex.html?_r=1


PDFS
http://nationalmarriageproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/NMP-BeforeIDoReport-Final.pdf
http://www.asanet.org/journals/ASR/Feb13ASRFeature.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_028.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr036.pdf
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>>26219719

nice attempt 2/10.
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the city of OP and his thoughts
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>>26219590
No, I'm just saying not to settle. There's plenty of good women out there that you may have to go out of your way to look for.

>>26219622
You're actually perfect tb.h. Now if you fucked a bunch of dudes and got drunk every night throughout your teens and twenties, then all of a sudden wanted to be housewife to some beta provider when your age starts to show, then yes, you'd be a degenerate leech.
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>>26219783

>returned to my video games

top laff.
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>>26219783
Wait, I thought child support was based on income. Are you saying you can get jailed and have to owe more than you actually make? Becoming a homeless bum was my way out of alimony.
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>>26219719
>we generally operate under the assumption that people with more experience, in a job, for example, are experts and therefore better than novices or new hires

Past experience/time in the field does not have a high correlation with high performance in a job. It has a lower (fairly significant) correlation with job performance than personal references do.
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>>26219001
> pairbond

I love how you guys think women are ducks. No wonder you can't get a gf.

Reading your entertaining insights on women is the main reason I come to r9k.
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>>26219726
at what? desu blox
also i don't seem to need to solve the captcha atm
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>>26219855
>I love how you guys think women are ducks
Aren't ducks famous for raping? Since when do ducks pairbond, I'm not familiar with duck biology.
>>26219853
That's an interesting read, got a source for me I'd like to give it a once over.
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>>26218871

A beta (provider) is actually just a normal suburban dad. Why wouldn't you aspire to this? Robots seem to confuse being a step father or dating a solo mother - an incredibly omega act - with this.

If you're married and the kids are yours, you're light years ahead of omegas who date used, damaged goods
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>>26219199

Underage omega virgin detected
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>>26219892
Ah. Sorry. I got imprinting mixed up with pair bonding.
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>>26218871
>beta provider
>beta
>wife doesn't cheat on you and the child(ren) are yours
>BETA
>WIFE DOES NOT CHEAT
>CHILDREN ARE YOURS
>IMFUCKINGPLYING
OP, you seem to be confused. The domestic situation you are describing is absolutely not typical for a beta male. In fact, fidelity and paternity are nearly exclusive to alpha males. You seem to think being a beta entails having a "bossy" wife. If that were the whole truth then very few people would have a problem being beta in relationships. In reality, beta males are manipulated and used for their financial resources and nothing else.
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>>26220004

>having children and a wife is alpha

top
meme
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>>26220004

You're talking about omega males. Get your facts straight before you post.

A beta male is the normal guy with the wife and kids and Toyota. Beta males are loving dads and husbands. Omegas get roped into providing for Chad spawn and are walking wallets who get sucked in by irresponsible whores who need someone to support them.
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why would you want to have a wife and children?

seems like a trick to me.
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>>26220107

Plenty of alphas are married with kids. Where the fuck do you think the next generation of alphas and stacys come from, you retard?

You don't think Chad actually breeds with the trash leftovers and practice girls omegas end up with, do you?
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>>26220130

daddy's trust fund
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>>26220176

... What?

Chad marries an acceptable Stacy and breeds with her, creating more Chads and Stacys. It's the circle of life.
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>>26220224

well fuck the circle of life.
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