Serious question for discussion, no bait. Is being a beta provider really that bad as long as your wife doesn't cheat on you and the child(ren) are yours?
Practically, the alternative is to be alone for the rest of your life with no channel (in this case your wife and your employment) to join society. While at the same time still not having any companionship in a partner or pride in a son or daughter.
I would gladly settle with a wife with reasonably good genetics even if she's somewhat degenerate and had what we would call a wild past. At this point in my life it's doubtful that I can get even that. I want a family and a career that, while at the lower tier, I care about enough to inspire me to improve as a person and a member of society.
On the other hand, it's very possible that this is not worth it and I'd be better with 2D. Thoughts?
Your problem is you're not looking at having a wife and children objectively. These are things that, if you are a beta kuk, will be awful and only get worse. The only reason you want these things is because they are indicators of "masculinity" where the only required commitment is that you show up. Being that you're insecure about your masculinity, you want an easy solution like a wife and kids so that people will recognize you as being masculine without you having to actually walk the walk.
TLDR: you're an insecure manchild who thinks with his feelings.
i get that, but if that's a thing then how come she isn't pregnant already? as long as you're the dude who gets her pregnant, microchimerism or not you're the father.
but that zika virus top kuk.
I really want a gf but I'm pretty sure money makes me happier.
>as long as your wife doesn't cheat on you
That's the whole reason being a beta provider is fucked, that and she can't ever really love you.
Getting scammed does not a good relationship make.
It only happens if sperm actually meets egg and is allowed to embed in the uterine lining. Basically, ask your GF if shes ever had to use Plan B contraception. If she hasnt then youll be 100% non kuk guaranteed
At this point, I've accepted the fact that this won't happen. I'm physically healthy, but my genetics are quite poor. I'd rather have a woman that is loyal and sometimes-sweet than no woman at all. Even if she does reminisce about Chad sometimes. Is that so bad?
I think I may be on the road to being a beta provider. I have been dating this girl for a couple months and she is legitimately the best thing that's ever happened to me. Obviously I'm not proposing yet or anything, but I could see it happening. When I'm around her, I'm happy. When she's mad at me I'm upset, but even that's better than the emotional nothingness I felt before. She's so pretty and funny and charismatic I honestly can't believe I'm lucky enough to be with her.
i am beginning to think that pairbonding does not mean being sexually exclusive to one another.
she does love you but not all the time. so what to do boys? that's why Chad's gonna chad, it's really the only way to enjoy life.
that doesn't answer anything other than "how to avoid other dudes sperms."
Cohabitate maybe but don't propose until you've lived with her for at least a few years and have seriously discussed children. This isn't robot science either, I think this is what most normies will advise too.
that's funny because i can't even figure out if we're a thing or not let alone
>is that so bad?
who is to say if its bad or not when you are the boss of yourself.
dominant wife is the best anyway
its the submissive low self esteem girls who fall for chads BS
OP if she's a strong woman who values commitment and knows what she wants and keeps it then dont give a shit if shes had sex or relationships in the past
given our Sodom 2.0 I don't think even Chad can hold out hopes for getting a non sperm tainted girl
>is that so bad?
depends on you desu, if you're the type that cant deal with it then dont go for it.
it would suck if you couldnt handle a relationship after a couple years
i made a thread about it.
basically im saying relationships now are not progressing past a certain point into the mature marriage and children stage because women don't seem to give a fuck how men feel until they decide that enough is enough and its time to find a man to father her children and nobody is really interested.
Here's your reality check OP.
The plan you describe is how people were ACTUALLY doing it from the beginning of fucking time. There was no true love, ever. Everyone settles, everyone is miserable.
Sorry to say it, but even that shitty status quo is long gone.
that's not it bud. the only way to not be "beta" is to be sexually active with different women all the time.
if you're a monogamist, you're automatically a beta.
in fact, if you are loyal to one girl for even 3 days, you are automatically a beta.
Yeah, maybe to 20somethings, but right now we're talking about a 30 year old woman who doesn't have many other options in the way of commitment and providership. As long as she's sexually satisfied, what reason does she have to trash her life? Doesn't research also show that women are the ones who, at an older age, tend to be the clingy ones?
good thread op. nice to have a break from the race bait and femanon shit.
that said it's a pipe dream. your average chad is the ones who become beta providers when they are 30. your average robot has already committed suicide or diabeted to death by that age.
i've seen a lot of 30 somethings become escorts and provide for themselves.
i think you're mistaken in the fact that men still give a shit about having "commitment and providership". lel what the fuck
how can you be thinking about beta providers, "commitment and providership" and stuff like this when you don't even have anyone ?
a man should want to be that person for a woman first. if that man doesn't want to be a beta provider, then what will you do?
i've seen a lot of early 30 somethings become escorts
Being a beta provider enables shitty behavior from women. While it may not negatively effect you personally, you're still screwing over a large segment of the male population by basically telling women that even if she makes poor sexual/social/economic decisions, there will always be some beta male with a decent income who will economically provide for them and give them children if they so desire. By discouraging men from settling with these low quality women, it forces women as a whole to make better decisions about the way the conduct themselves which is good for everyone.
tl:dr: beta providers create a pool of low quality women and by abstaining from it, will help create better quality women for more people
I have a cynical view on love, I see love as purely conditional and if you want something and someone gives it to you, then who's to say that's any different than if you had it with someone else? The only people who want to fuck someone different when their needs are being met are people for whom novelty is a priority for happiness, and I am not one of those people.
>if you're a monogamist, you're automatically a beta.
The shit this board says sometimes.
good luck with that
>implying you can ever please woman
Femanon here. I met my husband when I was 15, lost my virginity to him, and I've never cheated, never would. We have two sons so far, but hoping to have 8-10 kids. I'm thoroughly obsessed with him, I would probably kill myself if he ever dies or leaves me. I think we're soul mates.
He works at home, I take care of the house and kids. Should I feel degenerate/like a loser? I never went to college because we planned for me to take care of the kids. Does that make me a failure? Or a leech?
>He works at home, I take care of the house and kids. Should I feel degenerate/like a loser? I never went to college because we planned for me to take care of the kids. Does that make me a failure? Or a leech?
More like a success story.
Marriage and family related materials.
No, I'm just saying not to settle. There's plenty of good women out there that you may have to go out of your way to look for.
You're actually perfect tb.h. Now if you fucked a bunch of dudes and got drunk every night throughout your teens and twenties, then all of a sudden wanted to be housewife to some beta provider when your age starts to show, then yes, you'd be a degenerate leech.
Wait, I thought child support was based on income. Are you saying you can get jailed and have to owe more than you actually make? Becoming a homeless bum was my way out of alimony.
>we generally operate under the assumption that people with more experience, in a job, for example, are experts and therefore better than novices or new hires
Past experience/time in the field does not have a high correlation with high performance in a job. It has a lower (fairly significant) correlation with job performance than personal references do.
>I love how you guys think women are ducks
Aren't ducks famous for raping? Since when do ducks pairbond, I'm not familiar with duck biology.
That's an interesting read, got a source for me I'd like to give it a once over.
A beta (provider) is actually just a normal suburban dad. Why wouldn't you aspire to this? Robots seem to confuse being a step father or dating a solo mother - an incredibly omega act - with this.
If you're married and the kids are yours, you're light years ahead of omegas who date used, damaged goods
>wife doesn't cheat on you and the child(ren) are yours
>WIFE DOES NOT CHEAT
>CHILDREN ARE YOURS
OP, you seem to be confused. The domestic situation you are describing is absolutely not typical for a beta male. In fact, fidelity and paternity are nearly exclusive to alpha males. You seem to think being a beta entails having a "bossy" wife. If that were the whole truth then very few people would have a problem being beta in relationships. In reality, beta males are manipulated and used for their financial resources and nothing else.
You're talking about omega males. Get your facts straight before you post.
A beta male is the normal guy with the wife and kids and Toyota. Beta males are loving dads and husbands. Omegas get roped into providing for Chad spawn and are walking wallets who get sucked in by irresponsible whores who need someone to support them.
Plenty of alphas are married with kids. Where the fuck do you think the next generation of alphas and stacys come from, you retard?
You don't think Chad actually breeds with the trash leftovers and practice girls omegas end up with, do you?