No 'good' jobs

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>MFW the only jobs for people who aren't STEMlords are call center gigs, MLM scams, menial labor

>>26206997
what degree?
going for a Masters to become a research scientist here. Probably the only safe job outside of teaching/medicine left desu.

>>26206997
I got a job as a butcher straight out of HS. I'm not making a killing, but I'm getting by pretty well and I've got my benefits all lined up. I had a guy who had a masters in some sort of mathmatics work for me for a bit, felt bad because I could tell he was a hard worker and had the credentials for a good career but was stuck cleaning up the daily mess

>>26206997
Hell, you didn't even need a bachelor's back then. You could walk right out of high school and get a job that could transition into a career and pay well enough to live comfortably in a real house for the rest of your life.

And Boomers tell us we're not trying hard enough.

Have you thought about being a welder? Going blind over time and working rotating shifts isn't so bad.

Signed, a Baby Boomer with a cushy 9-5 office job.

>>26207087
The highest paid job I ever had was only $12/hr, with some optional benefits. Still had to quit, because it was night shift and just couldn't stay awake.

Now I'm working for $9.50/hr, no benefits. It's pointless unskilled work. I spend most of the day lurking on 4chan.

I wish I had an actual job that paid me well (a God-damned salary) and in which I could actually move up the ladder. But of course, I always get rejected when I apply for these jobs in places I would like to work, usually because the requirements are "a Bachelor's degree, 5 years of experience" despite being an entry level position (I only graduated one year ago, and was a NEET for a long time before I found any jobs).

This is mostly why I don't really care about anything anymore. No point in doing anything anymore: I don't exactly have any connections, and my current job doesn't teach me any skills.

>>26207148
>I got a job as a butcher
>I'm not making a killing

>>26207137
Some useless degree (Public Admin, did a minor in Business Management too) from a mediocre state institution.

>research scientist

My career isn't STEM.
And I don't want to pay for doing a Master's - I already paid for a Bachelor's, and that didn't get me anything. My common sense tells me I shouldn't pay thousands of dollars to obtain yet another piece of paper that won't actually guarantee me a job. Seems like a scam.

>>26207202

Yeah, I'm getting 10.60 doing 2nd shift work. It sucks because I miss out on a lot of evening activities and my friends don't bother to invite me to stuff anymore.

I just don't see any way out. It's really horrible knowing I probably won't have a home or kids.

>>26207318
I just wanted to have my own home.
But the way I see it, I'll never have it, not at the way I'm going. Don't know if it's me (it might be), but I've noticed employers are offering salaries less and less often, and instead offering hourly wages on their stupid job postings.

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>a minimum of 4 years of experience

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>Go to Alaska during summers
>No illegals up there so manual labor pays well
>Work for construction contractor installing pipes and building roads
>Make 45k in 4 months
>NEET for the rest of the year in Colorado doing nothing but smoking weed, playing vidya and shitposting for 14 hours a day.

Been doing this since I was 19. Most of my friends who went to college are in serious debt and make a comparable yearly salary to what I make in 4 months of hard work.

>>26207458
>tfw live in europe
>tfw no vast empty places with lots of natural resources, where manual labour pays well

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>Application form

>Stealing from work is fine
>Stealing from work is bad

>Know that you'll be marked down if you give too many correct answers for "not being honest enough"

>Crap jobs everywhere
>H1B visas created to drive down IT wages
>More and more places open Xmas and thanksgiving, we can't even shut down teh greed machine for two fucking days a year
>STEM isn't even safe, young engineers are hired, worked 80 hours a week, and canned after 2 years
>Artists and graphic designers expected to work "for exposure".
>Young people called lazy, told to just become a construction worker or something
>Unpaid interns doing actual work with no educational value
>Articles bitching about how those awful Millennials aren't giving Boomers grandkids or buying their overpriced McMansions

How bad does it have to get before we revolt and start hanging people from lamp posts?

>>26207458
Help me anon

>have had jobs since finishing uni in 2014
>they've barely been relevant or degree-level - the longest one was stuffing envelopes in a warehoure
>realised recently that no-one has wanted to take me on permanently, all my jobs have been temporary
>contract at current job (which is at least relevant) got extended til april, but I'm still covering for someone who got injured so I don't know if they'll keep me after that
>tfw making 17k pounds

>tfw just want a stable, permanent, secure job, where I know I won't have to be looking for another one within months, and where I can progress

>>26207558

I got one that asked a similar question with Radio bubbles. I steal from work A) Often B) Occassionally C) Rarely D) Never

>>26207458
Jealous to be honest if that's true

I was in Uni for math but after realizing a bachelors wasn't even good enough in this shitty world I dropped out to learn a trade.

At least I'll get paid to do something not so bad.

>>26207558
>>26207676
>"I am a lazy person" A) Strongly Agree B) Agree C) Neither agree nor disagree D) Disagree E) Strongly Disagree

I guess you have to weed out the complete idiots.

>"I have many friends, including of the opposite gender"
And robots too, apparently.

>>26207592
I agree with you Anon, and share your rage.

>>26207723
>>"I have many friends, including of the opposite gender"

Men and women can't be friends unless there's zero attraction, one of them is gay, and/or they've known each other since childhood.

Of course I'm not stupid enough to be honest on that landmine of a question...

>>26207689
>>26207608

It's hard fucking work. The ground is frozen for 7-8 months a year so the company has to fit in a year's worth of work into 4 months. We work 12-14 hour days(huge overtime $) because the sun stays up so long, 6 days a week from May through September.

I prefer working a few months of high intensity labor and then taking the rest of the year off rather than working year round though.

>>26207710
The world needs more people like you. I wish my high school had done more to push trade school to the kids that had no business in college. Instead they pound bachelors degrees like they're the end all be all

>finally get an interview for a good job
>they never call back

>>26207917
This.
Everyone fell for the 'go to college and you'll have your suburban house, car, white picket fence, and comfy easy life xDDD'

Instead, you get a useless piece of paper, a saturated job market, bleak prospects, and assuming you can find a job, a low wage.

Getting a master degree soon and honestly I doubt I will ever use it.

Every job that you can get off the street is easy shit you can do while multitasking music or books, gives enough money to live on and at the end of the day you leave all your work shit at work.

Meanwhile a degree job you are expected to do constant overtime, unpaid to meet whatever deadline is looming, actually have to put effort into doing your job and get a load of extra cash I don't even need for my lifestyle anyway along with less time to actually do things I want to.

fuck it

>>26208003
To be fair, up until the recession this was actually a good idea. And then the recession happened and teachers/parents never got out of the college mentality.

I wish I went to a trade school honestly, hell, even the military. I got an associate's from a community college because my parents forced me to and it's fucking useless.

>>26207318
>Friends
Please Leave.

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>>26208006
Yeah, I don't want anything more than a regular 40 hour work week. I don't care how much I like something, it is never 50 hours a week good. I always need to be doing various things and able to jump from one activity to another.

so is stem a meme?
going to uni next year and want to got stem but all the promises seem to good to be true
its like 10 years ago when everyone said go be a doctor, doctors make big money, there will always be sick people so we will always need doctors

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>>26206997

>tfw making a killing with sfm porn

>>26208324
If you're going STEM you have to go for your masters. No one tells you this until its too late.

A buddy of mine with his chemistry bachelors can go work in a lab for $15 an hour.

>>26208324
Basically any doctor would tell you it isn't worth it right now based on a money standpoint. Student loans will fuck you, and then hospitals would rather not pay for malpractice insurance on top of paying the salary of a doctor. I'm going a different route by either becoming a nurse practitioner or a CRNA. Both are great jobs that are in high demand

>>26208401
still not worth shit if the work makes you miserable

>>26206997
Anyone else considering signing up for JET?
>get a somewhat decent salary starting at $32,000
>only need a bachelors degree in literally anything
>get to travel
>teach cute Japanese kids english
>pay off student loan faster since the yen is worth so much more than the NZD (I dunno about your country though)
>don't even need to know Japanese

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>>26208508
>the yen is worth so much more than the NZD
>conversion rate according to google: 1 NZD to 78.19 yen
HHMMMMMMMMM

>>26208401
>can go work in a lab for $15 an hour.
at what point do chem majors just say fuck it and start meth labs?

>>26208604
Yes, one NZD buys 78 yen
100 yen buys 1.27 NZD
Hypothetically I have a debt, of five dollars, it'd be easier to pay it off with yen, because Yen buys more NZD than NZD buys yen.

>>26207087
>STEMlords
I graduated with an electrical engineering degree
I wash dishes

>>26208692
Even if that DID make sense to me, surely you'd get charged in conversion to the point where it wouldn't be worth it anyway?

I can see how it would make sense if you were coming from a, getting paid the same amount as you would in NZ and having lower living costs in Japan, sort of viewpoint though

>>26208324
Partially. You can make it big in STEM, but that requires real dedication and an ounce of luck. If you get into it for the money, chances are you won't have a good time.

>>26207284

How long has it been since you graduated? I graduated just over a year ago myself (with a high GPA, too) and was still stuck in ~$8/hr retail until a few days ago. I know a lot of other people still working retail after graduating too.

>>26207318
>Yeah, I'm getting 10.60 doing 2nd shift work.

If you don't have friends, 2nd shift work is ideal. You can get up and go to bed whenever you want.

>>26208966
I feel sorry for you guys. I was a NEET for four years and eventually got a warehouse job and now I am a driver within the warehouse driving order pickers while not dealing with customer bullshit and at least getting paid over minimum wage with benefits.

Sure my life isn't ideal and it could be vastly better, but it could be even much more crushing as well.

>>26208324
>so is stem a meme?
it is
>promises seem to good to be true
they are
companies like to spread those myths around to encourage the market to get saturated with stem workers so they can pay them less.

>>26208966
I graduated a little over a year ago, with a high GPA and internships as well. Working for $9.50/hr in a menial job I don't like

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>>26207202
>get temp train station job summer before uni
>14 pound p/h just like that
>graduate
>NEET
>on/off agency work, min wage around 7p/h

Pay wise that job was better than the average grad from a high rated uni would start on. Still surprised I basically got given all that money just like that

>This is mostly why I don't really care about anything anymore. No point in doing anything anymore: I don't exactly have any connections, and my current job doesn't teach me any skills.

Kinda the same, but my motivation to succeed is my pathological hate for people on the dole and annoying parents. I've already prepared myself for the mundane worklife, which I need to "live".

When am i gonna get taken on a rad adventure and truly be alive just like in my anime

>>26207592
As someone who doesn't like how reliant people are on the government and complains that society should change for them, this is true, it's much harder nowadays. Are boomers really this obnoxious? I dont have much contact with them

>>26208324
I remember seeing some infograph (?) saying how doctors barely earn more than teachers for a shit load more hours and how it isn't even worth all the trouble

>>26206997
Just get a sales job. No experience necessary and you earn 100 - 500 per sale depending on what you're selling

>>26210532
Tend to stay away from sales and recruitment. Why are there so many job adverts for that shit, seriously?

What exactly does sales entail? Especially if you're not that good at talking to people

>>26210501
>When am i gonna get taken on a rad adventure and truly be alive just like in my anime

When you take a risk anon

>>26210532

>just work a field that requires you to be aggressively outgoing and a people person
>thinking this will actually work for anyone on /r9k/

>>26209013
I work in a mill doing lab testing. 2nd shift for us is noon to 10:30 4 days a week. Plenty of time to hit the bar after work and Fridays are always free.

>>26210590
Legit sales jobs are not bad, but many at the no experience level are MLM schemes.

The only real way to move into a good job is to switch jobs. After 1-3 years at a job you are significantly more skilled than when you started. You use your new skills to get a job that requires them, learn new skills on the job, rinse and repeat.

You do need a college education to do this as many jobs on that path will require one. I recommend STEM because you start off with a set of skills that are applicable to many jobs.

>>26210501
Unemployment is created by fiscal policy. I mean think about it, in what universe is it better for fewer people to be working, or how is it impossible for everyone to be working (barring disability of some sort)? Only in the universe of fucked up, elite-pandering economic theory, which unfortunately is what the government buys in to. I'm not on the dole personally, but I have a hard time holding the dole against anyone.

>>26212099
>Unemployment is created by fiscal policy.
there have been proposals for the government to act as an employer of last resort, similar to a central bank's role as a lender of last resort.

Problem is that in addition to being expensive, there's a whole lot of people who just ain't good for anything. The economy doesn't really need much if any unskilled labor anymore.

>>26212245
>there's a whole lot of people who just ain't good for anything.
you mean invalids?

>>26212245
Competent people who argue for employer of last resort are aware that unemployment is chiefly a consequence of there not being enough money in circulation. It's "expensive" in the sense that government deficits create money and the "expense" would involve creating that missing money. So the fact is, employer of last resort is only a good thing and the alleged drawbacks are only evidence of others' bad theories, but it's hard to convince people of that because, again, of all the bad theories.

As for the unskilled labor point, I mean, everyone always bitches about infrastructure. Unskilled people can also provide social services (e.g., meals on wheels). So there's at least two ways that's not true. Unless you do mean people who are truly incapable of doing work, in which case that's not what this conversation is about.

>>26212277
I mean anyone without skills, really.

thought experiment, the government gives you a special license to go to the south side of Chicago to employ niggers. You can pay them as little as you want and are exempted from payroll taxes and all the other things that make someone cost more than their wages to employ. You really think there's anything profitable you could do with such low-quality labor, even at a price approaching free?

>> People still promoting the STEM Meme in this thread

I love 4chan sometimes.

>>26212340
There's lots and lots of money sloshing around. The Fed pumped in literally trillions of dollars during several rounds of QE, now the ECB and the BoJ are doing the same. Then why is there still so much slack in labor markets? Why is business investment and bank lending still subdued or depressed? There's a lot of money, there's a shortage of profitable things to invest it in. Employing people costs a lot, not just in what they're paid, but in taxes, overhead, and so on. And in a lot of sectors, there's just no way hiring people would make you money at the prices you'd have to pay to employ them.

Just get a job in highway construction, hell you work 6 months out of the year and collect unemployment the other 6. Even flaggers make a min of 36$ hour due to prevailing wage standards. Shits cake and you get a sweet tan

>>26212429
Someone who can crunch numbers, pick up on new ideas quickly, and problem solve is a better fit in more jobs than a history major.

>>26212485
The Fed pumped money onto bank balance sheets, but that's not in circulation. All the Fed does is regulate interest rates; QE was a meaningless farce. The Fed may create money, but when they do it's always a zero-sum asset swap. The introduction of financial assets into circulation occurs with Treasury auctions (i.e., fiscal deficits), all the Fed does is convert between those Treasury securities (public debt) and Federal Reserve securities (dollar bills). This is one of the most important things to grasp in order to understand anything about how the economy works. Fittingly, you'll never learn this from an economics class.

>>26212614
So in case it wasn't obvious, what I mean is that monetary policy is largely irrelevant, the "problem" is that deficits aren't large enough. Deficits are what create nongovernment financial assets which are turned into money by Federal Reserve market operations, and the Fed always has to follow Treasury's lead because otherwise they'll lose control of the interest rate (the fed funds rate). And we know there isn't enough money sloshing around because, as you pointed out, lending is depressed and unemployment is high and the labor market is fucked. If there were more than enough money there would be accelerating inflation, and there isn't. Idiot economists insist we're always right at the tipping-point of accelerating inflation, which is their way of clinging to bad theory.

>>26212711
there isn't consumer-price inflation because consumer demand isn't growing. Hell, there was a massive direct-to-consumer's-pockets stimulus package over the last year in the form of crashing oil prices. Consumers mostly saved, rather than spent, the difference. The extra money that's in the economy went into pushing up asset prices. Which is exactly what you'd expect if there's a lot of money and not many good places to use it buying equipment, buildings, hiring people, etc.

>>26206997
>get shitty job
>do really well in shitty job
>get promoted at shitty job
>move into position with better pay, some benefits
>continue to do well, slowly progress in career

Is this not an option where you work? If not, get another shitty job somewhere else where a person with a degree has the potential to be promoted.

I get that we no longer have the ability to buy a nice house on one income with just a bachelor's degree, but there's still pathways to promotion and better jobs for people who work hard.

I have a completely impractical degree in the liberal arts and now I'm a senior program manager for a small academic department making a pretty good living. I didn't have any connections and in fact got this job moving to a state where I know no one, in part on the fact that I had great references from shitty past jobs (references when my employer cold called them, not networking connections).

It sucks, and it feels like it takes forever, but if you're a desirable employee you should be able to work your way up the shit ladder to middle management at least.

>>26206997
Wow you sound like me. I got a "good degree" from a "good school" and can't get any traction.

>>26207148
>be butcher
>"I'm not making a killing"
ayyyy

>>26212773
If there were in fact a glut of money "in circulation," that would appear as increased consumer demand. So once again, it can't be the case that there's excess money because, as you pointed out, consumer demand is depressed.
The thing people miss about QE is that banks can't spend reserves, they can only create deposits against them (i.e., lending). As far as consumers are concerned, a 0% fed funds rate while banks collectively have $1B reserves is exactly the same as a 0% fed funds rate while banks collectively have $1T reserves. This is why QE didn't increase lending, consumer demand, or inflation, and was really a failed Federal Reserve attempt at incanting some magic via press release.

>>26212920
>>If there were in fact a glut of money "in circulation," that would appear as increased consumer demand.
Wrong, because after the recession consumer preferences shifted significantly away from consumption and towards saving and debt reduction. The marginal propensity to consume plummeted.

>>26212493
No they dont lol. I was in highway construction, in canada where we get paid quite a bit more than the US (Ive worked all around the US and have talked to tons of tradesmen/construction workers/etc), and flaggers start at around $14-$17 here depending on the course, with basically no advancement opportunities and super high turnover rate. Also only the really big companies hire permanent flaggers, mine would either make one of the labourers (me) do it, or hire people on a temporary contract to do it.

Also, right now I have a job doing flat roofing make $24/hour, and most of people I work with are making $40-$60/hr depending on what courses you take (that the company pays you to take). I'd personally recommend commercial roofing, high starting wage, my company has tons of travel opportunities and I'm fully unionized with full benefits. The only downside is the job is hard and if you fall you die

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>>26207592
>>STEM isn't even safe, young engineers are hired, worked 80 hours a week, and canned after 2 years
and yet we were all herded into higher education to fulfill the never ending supply of interns. fuck i feel gullible. we're chattel and the ones in the back can't see the grinder ahead

>>26212947
So people aren't making enough money relative to their need to pay down debt and reestablish savings. Because, once again, there isn't enough money for people to do those things while also increasing spending. Marginal propensity to consume isn't magic either: if you want more consumer demand/more employment and MPC is low, that means you need even more money available to overcome the hump, and the fact that isn't happening is, once again, evidence of insufficient money.