I'm convinced therapy really only works on people who are easily influencEd. For those who are rational and intelligent to a fair extent it is unlikely to work. OP you are waiting your time, find a coping method like the rest of us.
>>26013863 >>26013870 Women are pure cancer. As soon as you stop desiring them sexually, you can see them for what they truly are, i.e. toxic parasites. They are worth literally nothing and would have gone extinct if it wasn't for their stinking holes. Ambitionless, anti-intellectual, arrogant, entitled, shallow pieces of shit.
I feel you OP, though I have yet to share my views on women with anyone else. The only former friends that I'm still in touch with all have controlling girlfriends/ are becoming engaged now and nothing can break their desire to put pussy on the pedestal.
You guys are on the verge of real knowledge. You aren't quite there yet though.
For example, consider the following: how many men do you know that have the following qualities:
>Ambitionless, anti-intellectual, arrogant, entitled, shallow pieces of shit.
Don't know? You just haven't been looking closely.
Corollary: if you haven't found a woman with the opposite virtues:
>Ambitious, intellectual, humble, earnest, deep
You have only to realize you
A) don't realize that quality is scarce and that is a natural law moreso than evidence of female degeneracy
B) You have underestimated the effort and time required to seek out / impress / seal the deal with such a woman.
Bottom line, I don't know anything about you guys but the fact is from these sentiments its clear you are at a larval level of personal development. Its nothing to be ashamed of really, disgust with women is the first stop on the long journey to wisdom that happens in the real world and not online.
Also don't judge the former friends and their pedestal choices, I am willing to bet you'll be grateful for a front row seat opportunity to observe whatever they go through.
I pick my views-on-women moments carefully. I wait for someone to say something negative, but unfortunately truthful, about women, then add to it with just a little more black pill material, and gauge their reaction. But I don't push it.
I've turned down multiple women and several friends who tried to set me up with women they know. Eventually, a few got butthurt enough to just flat out ask why I don't care. Patrice O'Neal is probably my favorite comedian, and is popular with my social circle too, so I just said "this guy said it better than I can" and referred them to these clips;
They all understood where I was coming from, especially the one who used to let his gf's cuckold him and forgive them all the time. Now he pays child support to his cheating ex, and just finally broke up with his single mom gf for cuckolding him for the umpteenth time with a fucking graffiti artist, while he's a CPA making almost 6 figures.
>therapists >literally get paid to ask you "and how did that make you feel?" over and over in different ways >collect $150/hr not a bad gig tbhqhwyf. they also discuss their patients with fellow therapists to see who has the worst case and laugh about it
There are certain traits and behaviors that are *more prevalent* of women *in aggregate* than men *in aggregate*. There's a reason there are no female Tesla's; women of unreal genius who die poor in a hotel, virginity likely intact, who devoted their lives to free energy and whose schematics were supposedly stolen by the government.
>the fact is from these sentiments its clear you are at a larval level of personal development. disgust with women is the first stop on the long journey to wisdom that happens in the real world and not online.
Nope. Some of the greatest minds in history have had low opinions of women. Philosophers, scientists, politicians, you name. But when you echo their sentiments today, you're a [ad hom here] by default?
Get fuckin real.
>A woman takes off her claim to respect along with her garments.
Herodotus, legendary basement dweller, right?
>Direct thought is not an attribute of feminity. In this, women are now centuries behind man.
Thomas Edison, NEET loser, right? A cunt for how he handled Tesla but that's beside the point right now.
>Educating a beautiful woman is like pouring honey into a fine Swiss watch: everything stops.
Kurt Vonnegut, morbidly obese, prolific 4chan poster, right?
>The mind of woman is easily misled. She yields to her desires and surrenders to jealousy more easily than a man. Therefore it is difficult for a woman to follow the Noble Path.
The Buddha, fedora-tipper, right?
>"A man is given the choice between loving women and understanding them" >"Feminine virtue is nothing but a convenient masculine invention."
I guess it's extreme because it's a sweeping generalistion encompassing all women. There are good women out there, the problem is the good ones are scarce, but they're ALL raised with a princess mentality so are not willing to compromise when it comes to relationships. They all want a perfect man, but the reality is very few of them deserve even an average man.
When I was just a boy I overheard some words of wisdom from an old guy my Dad was friends with. "If they didn't have cunts, men would throw rocks at them." You might not go as far as throwing rocks... but most of them wouldn't be worth wasting your time on.
>>26014723 Why would you bring up feminists now? We are talking about how some guy in this thread -- real people -- have really unhealthy views on women. Why would you bring up someone who isn't even participating in the discussion -- some made up enemy?
>>26013735 Its time you spend less time shitposting on /rk9 and get back to reality, most fags hatin here on women are because they had oneitis on stacy and finally their worst nihtmare came true, stacy was going out with chad
>>26014765 You're arguing with trolls and autistic virgins. You cant win the argument either way, just take solice in the fact the autistic losers will live a worthless life and die alone without passing on their defective genes.
>>26014591 >Imagine of others viewed you like you are viewing girls. How would that make you feel? Women constantly treat me with contempt. I can see in their eyes how much they despise me and how they think I'm a disgusting subhuman. In their body language it is obvious that I'm nothing more than a repulsive obstacle to them. Either they quickly turn away or they completely ignore my existence, even spatially, .e.g. in not moving to the side and forcing me to move out of my way. Genrally they are impolite, letting doors fall right into my face, not greeting me and sitting down far away from me.
They're generally right, it's just that their phrasing is too hardcore for people to handle.
Men who complain about the behavior of modern women tend to speak from experience. It's actually the virgins and other inexperienced men who sperg out at anyone who doesn't share their sense of naive Disneyfied optimism about the disappointing state of the modern woman.
People seem to think that the men who are disenfranchised with modern women and dare to question ANYTHING they do only think and feel that way because they aren't getting pussy, but some of the most "misogynistic", or "red pilled" or whatever motherfuckers around rake it in like you wouldn't believe.
This "Chad Thundercock" archetype who has a harem, and the sexless loser outcast relegated to porn usually share the same low opinion of women in general. They're 2 sides of the same coin, the difference being that the former has the looks and social status and skills to get pussy, while the latter doesn't.
>I don't know how people can look down on other human beings like some of you are doing. Imagine of others viewed you like you are viewing girls. How would that make you feel?
You've said too much and answered your own question. These guys have been treated like shit by women, treated like non entities, or treated as outright invisible at best.
It's comforting to think it's all in their heads and everything makes sense, but it's just bromides and platitudes and Just World fallacies.
>>26014904 >I can see in their eyes how much they despise me and how they think I'm a disgusting subhuman
It's all in your head, mate. Most people in cities behave like that because they live in their own little worlds and don't want to interact with strangers unless they have to. Have you tried making female friends? You'd notice that there are many great girls around.
>>26014904 So you want to kill or inflict otherwise horrible violence just because is ignoring you?
That is completely deranged. You want to deprive someone of their lives over absolutely trivial shit while they let you go about yours. You are no better than a rabid animal. You are a danger to them in the same way a muslim terrorist is a danger and they are right to avoid and stay away from you. They're sensible to sit far away from you.
Any man who does not hate women is a cuck. And yes that includes men who are successful with women. As soon as your looks/status/youth/hair/whatever made you successful with them fade you they will immediately turn on you and start looking at you like a piece of refuse. Don't be fooled into thinking they actually see you as a person.
>>26013735 Therapy is retarded, I basically just went to vent and complain, which actually felt good, but made no legitimate progress.
When I progressed to seeing a "real psychologist" it was even worse, the guy was a moron, and smug, I hated him 2bh. If I didn't want to try something because I had already tried it he just kept shoving it at me, same old shit "how about try something different".
>>26015559 Incel, I remember you. It's not your hight that's your problem. I'm 5'10'' and live in the same country as you do and my height has never been a problem.
We've discussed some things before and I seem to remember that you think listening to music is "anti-intellectual" and that enjyoing dancing is dumb or something along those lines. I also seem to recall that you saying that platonic friendship is unnecessary. I hope you've realized that attitudes like that will quickly estrange others or make it even hard to get close to people in the first place.
>>26013849 >>26014052 This is why getting information on 4chan is a waste of time for the most part. Nothing but conflicting assertions and people trying to belittle the next man into submission by calling them loser neckbeards that need to be exterminated.
>>26013735 >therapist >actually makes a look at you >calls it extreme
Not a very good therapist, thats called setting a standard and its one of the basic things they are taught to never do. He's supposed to try and ease you out of the view by asking questions highlighting positive things of women etc.
If he's going as far as disagreeing with you, he's a filthy shithead lefty.
>>26015899 I'm not OP, obviously, but I remember him from other threads and if he isn't lying on the internet for attention, dude had a really shitty past. I think that past has made it very difficult for him to have meaningful interpersonal relationships now. I don't think it has much to do with his face.
>>26015970 I'm finding it hard to feel sorry for him at all, this whole "women use men as utilites" shit is getting boring, I get the thought process but often times it works both ways, or these guys are being treated just as shittily by men but they value women's opinion more, so instead of saying they feel more hurt when it comes from a women, they think that women hurt them more
>>26016042 >they think that women hurt them more Isn't the object of your romantic interest always more capable of this? Getting bullied sucks but getting bullied by someone I was attracted to would be worse.
>>26014484 Pretty much this, it's why I don't get why people hate zoos, they seem to think animals love hunting for food, going weeks starving if unlucky, whereas they can just have a slab of meat thrown at them every day.
>>26016070 That's what I mean, it hurts more coming from someone you like, that doesn't mean they're hurting you more than someone else, but you feel more hurt when it comes from them, here's what I mean because I know this sounds really confusing
If you're a straight guy and another guy says you're ugly, that's probably gonna hurt, but if a girl that you find attractive says you're ugly, it probably hurts more
so they're both contributing equally, it's just that you feel more hurt from the girl, so I think that's what causes this illusion that women are contributing MORE
as in the case of Elliot rodger, I read his manifesto/autobiography and I found that it was mainly men that hurt him and bullied him, women didn't actually actively hurt him very much at all, but it's the fact that he values women more which made him more angry at them
>>26014688 Thats the point of the thread though, I can go to a mosque and tell them
"You aren't viewed negatively anywhere" "Yes I am" "Well you aren't in here"
The truth is, nerds and antisocial males have been persecuted for the last few decades, as women become "empowered" they see the enemy as men, men hold higher paying jobs, more CEO positions, majority of billionaires, and they think that means all men are privileged.
Because academia and most governments are cucks they empower women to "Have a family and work a good job", they get told they are princesses deserving of princes. And together they will both make equal pay and do equal housework.
We are not princes, we never have been, we aren't the "privileged" men, yet we get demonised anyway. Hence people come to hate women, I personally don't hate women any more then I hate men.
>these guys are being treated just as shittily by men but they value women's opinion more
The way they see it, men will do pretty much what women want them to do. Which makes sense, given the amount of effort men seem to expend trying to convince other men that nothing they do is done to attract women - total bullshit, mind, and ignore any posturing Marlboro Man fantasist who will tell you that he's the exception, men also love pretending to be 'the exception'.
>>26014904 You're overthinking it. If you despise women you should actively be trying to think of something other than them, i.e how you can improve your vices. You've probably the consistent, toxic thinking pattern of discontent stemming from loneliness > this is my void in life > could companionship could fill that void > I'm an incelibate so it couldn't > hatred towards yourself & women. >>26015924 I hope you at least take up a facade and do not leave your house actively thinking these things in public. You are not a "normal man". Perhaps if women are avoiding you, it's because it can be sensed through body language that you're bitter, do not want to be approached and/or despise them. >hey are unwilling to settle for a normal man as long as they can get sex dates wtih Chads on tinder. Not true and you know it. Like men, women desire a fulfilling relationship. They desire affection and intimacy like men do. It's just a difficult thing to achieve nowadays due to the decadence of society, characterized by prioritized feelings, i.e money, porn & one-night stands replacing relationships. When you look at females can you try to not let your irrational feelings direct your thoughts, but rather some higher, ethical goal?
People don't understand. The Redpill is a long and arduous journey, and doesn't go down easy. Rage and anger are part of it, but eventually you move past it.
When you come out the other side, you just feel indifference. They just aren't worth the time. But other men DO indeed put them on a pedestal. So much that you have to be careful where you share this info. Lest it come back to hurt you. Gynocentrism is real, and women are these Men's God.
Sadly, it'll take situations like what you described to get men to wake up. And even then, some still won't. But some of us did. And I suppose in the end, it'll have to be enough.
>>26016733 >waking up involves rejecting women entirely I can see how this would make sense if you followed an eastern philosophy, but even those are not centered on women, rather the rejection of the body's desires. Can you explain what rejecting women has to do with the redpill? Does it deal with viewing women as useless to enter a relationship with?
>>26016219 >so I think that's what causes this illusion that women are contributing MORE What illusion? They certainly are causing more pain even if not because they're attacking more viciously. >as in the case of Elliot rodger, I read his manifesto/autobiography and I found that it was mainly men that hurt him and bullied him, women didn't actually actively hurt him very much at all Wasn't his thing that these SHIT men get with women while he can't, he's pissy at them for rewarding what he considers low-life men. He's also envious, narcissistic, and delusional so for him even just being with someone 'low-class' without actively rejecting him is an affront, he's the type to yell at ugly guys getting pretty girls he's an edge case.
In any case calling it an illusion seems like semantics to me, if some crazy homeless person started shitting on your life you'd pay it no mind, the value of the speaker to you defines their potential to hurt you, for the most part it's just words and you could theoretically ignore it all and you certainly do that when you don't care for the other person and aren't especially vulnerable to the topic brought up.
Other dudes just can't hurt you as much without getting physical or destroying your sexual or romantic opportunities (or relationships). I can see how it violates some fairness in that men can shit on you more and still be castigated less but that's because relative to women they're like drunk hobos mouthing off, the content of the speech doesn't matter as much as the speaker.
>>26016655 >it's because it can be sensed through body language that you're bitter How? That seems like bullshit. >They desire affection and intimacy like men do. They desire status, which is a different thing.
>>26014591 >Imaine of others viewed you like you are viewing girls
I'm trying to control the urge to sperg on the keyboard, to let out a ree. The nice caring gf you speak of doesn't exist, and if they do they're sure as hell not lining up to care and love me. If you don't fit the provider/greater/desirable male mold you will be blatantly ignored at best and ridiculed, held with contempt at worst.
>>26013735 You probably aren't going to be able to understand where I'm coming from because I am a normie but your therapist is probably a normie too; from a normie perspective the R9K view on women is horrifyingly extreme. I love it and find it entertaining but if I ever encountered it in real life I would probably have the same look on my face that the therapist has.
I don't think its being bluepilled either, most normal people (at least in my experience) are treated well by normal women, or we can at least have a relationship that isn't one sided asf. Sure, the hottest women are sometimes going to act like they are better than you, but thats because society treats them that way. Ffs even 7s act entitled but thats because most men grant them that entitlement, so whose fault is it really.
I was born lucky, I'm probably a 6, maybe a 7 since I work out and I am good with people so I've never had a problem with women and if your therapist is anything like me hes going to have a difficult time understanding you. That being said, I think I can empathize with what you go through. I've noticed my brother, who is leagues smarter than me but happens to be unfortunate looking, slightly effeminate, short, and has weak features has always been treated extremely poorly by women despite the fact that he is kind and intelligent. I don't think its a red pill vs blue pill situation, its just you dealing with your situation. Your therapist probably isn't a cuck, he just has lived a normal life that would give him no real reason to share your extreme point of view that fits the narrative of the life that you were unfortunate enough to have to live.
Dunno if theres any hope for you, I could say that you have to change your outlook to live a more fulfilling life but my bro has a great outlook and he still has a daunting uphill climb to get the satisfaction he wants out of a relationship.
>>26016874 The Redpill, as used in the manner that I did, is the person finally learning about the nature of women.
That in and of itself is something hard to swallow. That yes, actually, there is such a thing as female nature. We are sexually dimorphic hairless apes... and each sex acts differently.
Numerous videos have been done regarding women. Psychology, Sociology, Biology, Culture. All of it comes together. Avoiding women is the rational path to take in the western culture as of now. There is simply too much risk and too little reward. No fault divorce and "yes means yes" consent laws pose a danger to men getting in relationships.
Useless will be relative to the man in question. Will he want to take the risks?
My own Redpill wasn't even on the internet. It was watching relationships around me crumble to nothing. Watching proud and happy men fall like stacks of cards into depression and isolation. Once I began learning about the Redpill, and a view of women nobody else taught me, it was clear. I knew then what quantifiable aspects differentiated a desirable man from an undesirable one in the modern female. Those guys I mentioned previously? All of them were better men than I, in that they checked more boxes on what would make them desirable. Yet... they still crashed and burned, and their lives were ruined. I could improve myself, and in some areas I will. But it won't be for the attraction of women. I'll do these things for myself. With hypergamy, it won't matter if you're 12/10. There's a 14/10 out there somewhere, and if you're unlucky enough that your girl cheats... well, that's it.
The choice and path became clear then. It's just not for me. No anger. No resentment. I felt them before, and still feel them when I read some things on here. But it fades.
Stuff like this is out there. You're not going to hear it anywhere else. It's another perspective.
>>26017002 Although they're subtle, humans have the capability to communicate feelings through body language, i.e hands in pockets often equates to "do not approach me". >They desire status I'm aware that prestige is one of the most attractive traits in men to women, but do you believe that they could not could to care for you, the affection, and intimacy you offer each other in a relationship?
>>26017319 >hands in pockets often equates to "do not approach me" or perhaps their hands are cold? I don't deny that insecurity can show but no way something as complex as bitterness could show through body language. Facial expressions perhaps but not body.
I think they do care about men but remember. A male without status != man in their eyes. SO men don't actually care about males, they care about status. Which is undeniably true, salarymen who lose their jobs lose their wives as well.
>>26015039 Holy fuck, you normies have a warped view on how personality works; if we could just become normies, we would have fucking done it already. We're not, and we are constantly reminded we are not, and when we dare point out that people treat us poorly for not having the same likes, dislikes, interests, and hobbies that the rest of society largely does, we are basically just told we should pretend we do, and it is our fault that people don't like us.
I suppose you also think it is a homeless person's fault if he is mentally ill and treated poorly? Go fuck yourself.
>>26017309 Do you really believe the failure of those relationships are attributed entirely to the females' nature? Couldn't there be some other factor, such as entering the relationship for the wrong reason, or being an incompatible pair? In some aspects, I don't think you're wrong. I believe there are virtues which men may hold that many women fail to see as important, resulting in their not respecting the man. Women tend to be collective thinkers, often wanting what other women want and determining the viability of potential mates through feelings rather than thought. Let's not forget that men are flawed too. I believe that if men and women selected their mates on the basis of seeking to learn from and better each other, as well as themselves, there would be less breakups. We pay far too much attention to what our bodies desire which is a major issue. >>26017446 There are such things as having an "open" or "closed" body language. >A male without status != man in their eyes. Status can be refined & sustained by means other than monetary.
>>26017754 Could you explain what that means? Open and closed don't sound like bitterness, that sounds more like comfortable and uncomfortable personally.
>Status can be refined & sustained by means other than monetary. That depends on your situation, if you don't have any money there is little to no hope of you finding love. No one wants to date a guy without money, neverless live with them. >inb4 just get a job, that is entirely down to luck >refine once again that requires money You need money to dress well, you need money to sustain most hobbies, you need money to learn. Fake it until you make it, isn't an option when you don't have the resources to fake it. I'd like to see the other ways to sustain a relationship without money, you speak of.
>>26017969 even then there's bound to be some other shmuck with a higher level job given to them through nepotism. Who's appealing due to his countless friends, that he can buy expensive gifts for with money gotten from said job. Who with constant reinforcement from friends and family is given the confidence to make more friends, advance in his career with help from daddy, expand his hobbies and achieve his ideal physique with time to spare for holidays.
>>26016906 But this is what I mean, women are just as cruel as men in this case, they can't really help it if you care more about their opinion than that of a man's, I still think people who shit on other people's lives are horrible and they deserve hatred, but I don't think it's a help to yourself to overgeneralize all women as being cunts just because they're capable of causing more pain to you than men are capable of
similar to your analogy about hobos, if you were in school and a group of losers were insulting you, they really ought to be punished just as much as the popular kids insulting you, it's just that because of the value YOU place on each group of people, the popular kids have hurt you more
>>26013894 Are you seeing a therapist or a psychiatrist? Because I saw a psychiatrist as a young teenager and was kind of disappointed in how much it was just "here's your pills good luck". I see a psychiatrist again now but I also see a therapist which helps tons more. My psychiatry sessions are still very much, "are the pills working good see you in twelve weeks", but the therapy sessions are awesome. It really helps to have someone who will just sit and talk with you for an hour about whatever is bothering you. I'd strongly recommend therapy to anyone if you can find a good therapist. Let me add an addendum to this by saying psychiatrists aren't bad, they just aren't there for the same reason a therapist is. A therapist is for talking and helping you more personally while a psychiatrist is more for helping you with medication and the more "scientific" side of things.
tl;dr if you are only seeing a psychiatrist see a therapist too because psychiatrists exist to give you medicine and send you on your way
>>26017754 >Do you really believe the failure of those relationships are attributed entirely to the females' nature? Couldn't there be some other factor, such as entering the relationship for the wrong reason, or being an incompatible pair?
A valid question. These specific men are men that I knew very, very well. I knew a lot of what went on in their lives. I can say with certainty that if they cheated, or did some other acts to warrant a breakup, I'd have known about it. Lot's of people would have. But they didn't. The women just left. One gave the excuse of "I just wasn't feeling it anymore."
After 20+ years of marriage, 2 kids, and a man who's about to retire... NOW she's not feeling it? Course, now being early forties for her. With hypergamy she still thinks she could do better.
> Let's not forget that men are flawed too.
Not in ways that cause the majority of divorces. Those are initiated by women. The stats just don't back up this assertion, m8. I'm sorry.
Even if things were equal, and "both sexes have problems" in such a way that it would merit such a comparison as you phrased it, it still doesn't matter because women hold all the cards in the current market.
>>26017942 no >>26017969 If you're bitter towards women, chances are you're probably uncomfortable around them too. It should be clear whether someone's uncomfortable or not through body language, I'll make an exception for autists. >inb4 just get a job A job means stability. Women will unconsciously consider whether you'd be able to support children during the contemplation of a potential mate. They've standards like men do, can they be blamed? >you need money to learn. You can torrent libraries of e-books for free. You do not need money to exercise, either, & eating healthier can be cheaper than eating fast food. Money is undoubtedly important in this regard, I won't deny that, but if it were necessary then the fertility rate would not be so high in poverty-stricken countries & areas in 1st world countries. If you can't improve yourself with the methods available due to laziness, you are not fit to pass on your genes and nature has nothing but contempt for you. >>26018354 >I just wasn't feeling it anymore." It sounds to me they entered the relationship due to petty things, like sex. Did each have traits the other lacked, and could be learned from? Did their personalities & interests stimulate each other or only the chemicals in their brains? They probably didn't ask themselves these things before getting married. >After 20+ years of marriage, 2 kids, and a man who's about to retire I wasn't aware that was the case. >early forties She'll probably regret it, not being able to rebound as easily as a woman could in her 20's. >it still doesn't matter because women hold all the cards in the current market. Due to the flaws of the enabling men. Anyways, I do see your logic in following this counter-culture.
>>26018903 Because they are basically threatening me with biological weapons. Physical contact with these trash whores, and even if it is just bumping my shoulder against theirs, bears the risk of getting infected with their various STDs.
>>26018169 > if you were in school and a group of losers were insulting you Losers don't have much influence over other social groups so if they shit on you other people won't shit on you in kind to fit in. I hate to bring up grade school, I swear I'm not butthurt about it but it's relevant and stuck with me as really revealing to how social interactions work, in middle school I was becoming friends with this kind of dorky kid (I was not a cool kid but was sociable) and I remember some more popular kids made fun of me once and all of the sudden he starts chiming in to shit on me and then turns to me afterward "we're still cool right?". Losers have less power in their words and less responsibility for their small actions because they don't command the attitudes of others, I wouldn't judge a homeless man as seriously for spreading a rumor about me as I would a 'pillar of the community' because the ramblings of the homeless man are often without consequence, with great power comes great responsibility and all that. In general you're held to be responsible and aware of how your behavior impacts others, it's not like we live in a world where people are completely unaware of how much they're valued, I'd say in most cases bitches know their beta orbiter is after them and twisting the knife in is more cruel (assuming that's what happened and not just people lashing out over general loneliness and rejection without anything actually happening to them, basically delusional headcanon).
Because women have more power in the situation they get judged more harshly for errant behavior, now to be fair people do put too much weight in what others say or feel about them on this board so I'm not defending the kvetching entirely but on a case by case basis I'd generally find the womans scorn more cruel and weighty than the shit talking of some man.
>>26018989 I really see where you're coming from, and I don't mean that in a patronizing way, I've gotten shit from people and it sucks
It's just that, I don't think that certain people should get more of a pass because they're not as powerful, because they'd probably do the same thing no matter what position of power they're in, because they're cuntbags
I think joining in on the bandwagon is just as bad as the person who started it, without followers, a leader is nothing, if other people had the strength of character to not join in with one guy being an asshole to another, then the whole dynamic of the situation could be changed
I know that in your situation for example, maybe you're going with the thought process of "if those popular kids hadn't made fun of me then all of those people wouldn't have joined in" but they have autonomy, they shouldn't have joined in and are just as bad, that situation would definitely not have been so inflated if they hadn't, or better yet, if they had stuck up for you
I suppose if you're very much aware of your power then to a degree it is actually worse of them, but in the case of women, I don't believe they are as aware of the impact their opinion has as other people in positions of power, since attraction is subjective, popularity is more objective
>>26018637 but that was a time when everyone was a dumb gullible hippie and he was using hippie bullshit to brainwash people. In that way he had status via being a teacher of his religion.
>>26018716 Just because you're uncomfortable around women, it doesn't mean you're bitter.
>They've standards like men do, can they be blamed? I never blamed them, stop putting words in my mouth. You make it seem like I hate them for it. My point is that they value status, which you seem to agree on. You said that money doesn't matter, but now you seem to have changed your mind on that too.
> if it were necessary then the fertility rate would not be so high in poverty-stricken countries & areas in 1st world countries In my experience, these are men they have known since highschool/ have a reputation or they're at the age when they're desperate for kids or they've met through friends.
> e-books for free on a notepad or ebook or phone or whatever which requires money Plus jobs generally want to see some kind of certificate. You know as well as I do that exercise is not sufficient enough for a relationship. >If you can't improve yourself with the methods available due to laziness >implying working hard guarantees anything >implying it's even worth the hard work
>nature has nothing but contempt for you. nature doesn't feel anything, it's not sentient Rich people are affected by the weather, they just have enough money to compensate.
>>26019359 >Just because you're uncomfortable around women, it doesn't mean you're bitter. I know, I never said this. >stop putting words in my mouth. >You make it seem like I hate them for it. I wasn't attempting to do that. >You said that money doesn't matter, but now you seem to have changed your mind on that too. Of course it matters, but does that make it necessary? >on a notepad or ebook or phone or whatever which requires money The system you're typing this on likely has the capability of downloading & opening a PDF. It should cost you nothing but the electricity used to power your device while reading it. >implying working hard guarantees anything Do you think it guarantees nothing? It is more likely than not to guarantee something, given it's actually hard work. Just because there's a slim possibility of it not resulting in revenue doesn't mean you should not try. >You know as well as I do that exercise is not sufficient enough for a relationship. Taking proper care of yourself is read as responsibility. You also must meet the physical standards of someone, otherwise no substantial interaction will ever take place. If you don't want to do it for a relationship, you should do it for yourself first. >nature doesn't feel anything, it's not sentient It was intended to be ambiguous.
>>26014499 They differ from you in that they were not r9k posting faggots. Stop trying to ride the coat tails of greater men than you and while in doing so falling victim to the same character flaws your ebin meme seems to find in women.
>>26019224 >"if those popular kids hadn't made fun of me then all of those people wouldn't have joined in" but they have autonomy, they shouldn't have joined in Not entirely more like, if the dorky kid shit on me first the popular kids wouldn't care, I'm not saying the dorky kid is blameless for shitting on me in either case I'm saying that the guy at the top is worse than the followers at the bottom because he's misusing power in addition to fucking with me.
>I think joining in on the bandwagon is just as bad as the person who started it, without followers, a leader is nothing, if other people had the strength of character to not join in with one guy being an asshole to another, then the whole dynamic of the situation could be changed They're bad but I can't see them as bad or at least not in the same way, they're trying to get away with it by losing themselves in the crowd and the head guy's starting a dogpile for shits and giggles.
>I suppose if you're very much aware of your power then to a degree it is actually worse of them, but in the case of women, I don't believe they are as aware of the impact their opinion has as other people in positions of power, since attraction is subjective, popularity is more objective I'm no chick but I assume with the attention comes the gnawing knowledge of why it's really there and with orbiters some find it uncomfortable to deal with, some find it depressing to be hounded after, and some like fucking with orbiters for kicks. It is what is, each situation has its own merits I take the complaining here with a grain of salt after I've seen the desperate and delusional orbiting some robots get up to and have posted screenshots of.
>>26019721 >I know, I never said this. >>26016655 >it can be sensed through body language that you're bitter I dunno
>Of course it matters, but does that make it necessary? Yes or it wouldn't matter? >Do you think it guarantees nothing? It guarantees that you worked hard, other than that, yes. Although even then, someone can still tell you that you haven't worked hard enough so maybe even that isn't guaranteed. > It is more likely than not to guarantee something Not it's not. We don't have the power to guarantee anything. If it relies on chance to be guaranteed then it wasn't guaranteed in the first place. >Just because there's a slim possibility of it not resulting in revenue doesn't mean you should not try. and likewise just because there's a slim possibility chance it doesn't mean it's worth the risk, otherwise I'd blow all my money on the lottery.
>It was intended to be ambiguous. It wasn't helping.
>>26020011 >they were not r9k posting faggots. Stop trying to ride the coat tails of greater men Since when is quoting learned and respected people to support one's point "riding their coattails"? Get a grip.
>falling victim to the same character flaws your ebin meme seems to find in women. muh tu quoque
>>26018716 >Did each have traits the other lacked, and could be learned from? Did their personalities & interests stimulate each other or only the chemicals in their brains? They probably didn't ask themselves these things before getting married.
They were young. They had some traits that made the old "opposites attract" saying apply to them. Their interests coincided enough for them to be happy most of the time. Suppose I should say "seem" happy, since that might not have been the case after all.
Thing is, I wonder why she didn't walk away sooner if she was unhappy. Following your reasoning, the incompatibilities that were there should have been felt sooner, yet she stayed. Why? Resources, imo.
> Due to the flaws of the enabling men. Well, if you think men enabling this shit is a flaw. I agree.
However, women taking advantage is another matter entirely. Thus we come to the Shit Test. Men fail the shit test constantly. It's part of the reason we're in the state that we're in.
Women Shit Test men due to a biological imperative. Women NEED men, but men don't NEED women. For people out there who think there is no biological basis for this stuff, then they must answer the question. Why do women Shit Test men? It doesn't pain a pretty picture.
>>26020045 note "perhaps" & "can" >Yes or it wouldn't matter? As I've said, were it necessary, those in poverty would not be able to enter relationships. >It guarantees that you worked hard, other than that, yes. That's a poor excuse to not try. Where would we be if all believed nothing was worth trying because it could possibly result in something detrimental? Flopping around aimlessly in this cesspool life until it's too late to experience anything significant. Trying may result in failure, but not trying will inevitably result in it. >Not it's not. We don't have the power to guarantee anything. To result in, then. English is not my native tongue by the way. >otherwise I'd blow all my money on the lottery. It helps if interpreted in a rational context. >It wasn't helping. We've little choice in caring about whether nature scorns us or not. We are in /r9k/, after all. We're here because nothing good seems to happen, & that bothers us. Surely you care, but not to improve. Would you happen to be a nihilist, and/or think free will does not exist? It doesn't matter, we can't will what we will but we can do what we will, and that includes willing against our wills through the following of established guidelines. Failure to establish and utilize any is due to turbulence in our values.
>>26020624 >Trying may result in failure, but not trying will inevitably result in it. By not trying you are able to invest that time and effort into trying something else or taking safer chances.
>English is not my native tongue by the way. You're pretty good at it, I'm just not terribly good at communicating.
>It helps if interpreted in a rational context. I was exaggerating but I thought it would help get across the basic idea that risks aren't always worth taking.
> It doesn't matter, we can't will what we will but we can do what we will, and that includes willing against our wills through the following of established guidelines. You can't do what you will, if we did what we will we wouldn't be here. This isn't a just world. If every person was earning at least 1 million dolllars, the poor wouldn't become rich. The dollar would just be worth less. No society has already shown that it doesn't work like that. Those are the top aren't the ones who follow rules, they are the ones who bend them. Tax evasion, money laundering and bribery. I have the feeling that you're trying to tell me to adjust to a system that is rigged in the first place.
>Failure to establish and utilize any is due to turbulence in our values. I do not understand. I have established values and I value that relationships are not worth the effort required to make or maintain them. I don't see the turbulence. Perhaps instead it's a simple incompatibility between me and the system.
>>26020824 This. It's ridiculous how many girls go from sweet/innocent to full-blown whore. The worst part is that some act like they've never seen a dick before. A whore in sheep's clothing. Disturbing.
>>26021513 >a system that is rigged this system is society
>between me and the system. this system is social cues and the requirements for acquiring gf
>>26020624 even the poor have a small amount of money but what I think you're trying to say is that money doesn't alone make status to which I agree, although it does undeniably matter and is necessary. I haven't ever seen a man without a home to go to or any money at all with a gf.
>>26021513 to expand on this, the whole reason we're here is because of our inability to "will through the following of established guidelines", especially when the guidelines are up to interpretation, which brings hypocrisy and is constantly changing the requirements.
>Do you really believe the failure of those relationships are attributed entirely to the females' nature?
Women initiate 70% of divorces.
The #1 reason is "dissatisfaction". Another is "money", as in he's not making enough of it. Followed by other, more reasonable causes.
The simple fact is eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap, which by extension means that women are generally more selfish in regards to men, and men generally more selfless in regards to women, since women are the more valuable sex in terms of reproduction, which is the only thing nature gives a fuck about. Our disposability is part of us before we see the light of day, and their perishability is part of theirs.
Many dynamics result from this fundamental difference, one being that women love men in a way completely different from that in which men love women.
Women will usually look out for themselves first, and if their man has worn out his welcome and exhausted his utility to her, she'll leave him. It's that simple. The State has incentivized women's most socially destructive instincts and effectively placed a bounty on their marriages which they can cash in at any time.
Do you really think this gynocratic legal system and culture hasn't lead to more and more women being absolute cunts simply because they know they can?
Jesus, you guys are disgusting, really. Why do I even bother trying to argue with you subhuman filth? I mean, you will never admit that a certain part of your failure with society is your fault and only yours, while the rest, like 20%, is genetic. You will never admit that the emotional hole you now live in is - in most cases - self-chosen. You will never admit your deep-seated envy for better men, and may they be Chads! That does not change the fact that your sexual worth now equals almost zero - because of your decisions! You deeply sicken me. My disgust is almost unbearable reading your ramblings. I do not wish you any good. I wish you strength and a backbone or a quick death, whatever you prefer. Make somehting out of your life, or do not. But remember: The bad, ugly things that happened to you, happened because you chose. Chose not to act. Chose not to find strength. Chose to blame the world for your failings. And only when you realize this, you will find your way.
>inb4 shoo shoo roast beef I am a 20-y male virgin, but atleast I see myself more clearly than you ever will.
Watch porn, wack off, buy an onahole, take a chunk of that money youre not spending on a wife, two kids, and a mortgage you don't need and take a trip to Japan for a three-day weekend and pay a prostitute to do what she's good for.
You do have a job and a library full of shit you read and interests and a body of independent work that you do, right? You're 100% complete except for getting sex whenever you want it? You're fine.
>>26023757 Aaaaaand there we have the knee-jerker. Unable to come up with a witty comment or a cynistic ramble to amuse me and enrich the conversation, he chose to use a petty meaningless insult, hoping that would shut me up. Well, you hoped wrong. And since you so nicely called me a white knight cuck, let me admit, I went through the typical oneitis phase. But that is the past and I do not live there. My social attitude towards women is mostly a tad shy, a little bit charmingly weird and sometimes creepily weird. But I do not bame my failure on my oneitis, or on my mother - who is a very nice and good lady - or even on my fucking father. I blame them on me. And even if it hurts, I now am the lord of my past. And with that also of my future. Maybe you can do that, too, my fellow robot.
>>26023840 Can you atleast defend why you dont take responsiblity for your actions? For your failures? Or is being a man and having a goddamn backbone now normie-tier, too? If so, I am damn proud aspiring to become a normie.
>>26023695 That would mean that Chad's success is his and only his. But let's not forget that his success on the field is also his coach's success. Or that the crew worked so hard on the new Christian Bale movie. If success is shared, so is failure. Did Parlophone successfully sign the Beatles on their own merit, or can they thank Decca for the opportunity? You're a cunt.
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