>>26000958 I can respect that. I guess I'd still like the ability to think about shit. Even if I'm just thinking about how much pain I'm in. When you become nothing, you can't even consider your life or wonder about the future of humans. And the worse part is that there is no escaping it. Death is looming at the end of the tunnel for everyone
>>26000655 yea it scare me a lot ..... i have fear to death and since my uncle died ( 2010) i feel that i've been chased by a train... idk thats why i wanna finish everything quick.... my carrer.. my life goals... etc also its weird but ( where i live its summer. over 27c) yesterday it was raining.... and since 2003 on my country, no rain in January.. and yesterday was raining... the funny thing is that 2003 was the death of my grandpa on dec 31 at 23:20 at night the death of his parent and the death of grandma's mother. soooo im praying to the gods that nothing bad happens this year... i'm in loosing weight process and eating healthy quit soda and alcohol
Tl;Dr - you either reincarnate or go on and hustle/exist in the spirit world.
Long version: Basically, you are incarnated right now. You are currently here, because at some point in the past you in your spirit-form decided you want to incarnate for reasons that you had. Maybe you need to learn something, or do something. Or maybe you just want to experience human reality. Most likely, you also made yourself some goals before incarnation, the things that you want to experience (sometimes its painful experiences for the sake of learning) etc. Then, you projected a part of your consciousness on this earth,
Your spirit-self however continues to exist on the spirit realm as well. Its tied to you, it IS you, but at the same time its to some extent independent. And it holds pretty much your life plans in its hands, and yes you can contact it through practice (google higher-self)
After you die, you just return to the spirit realm, but with all the experiences and lessons that you learned on earth. Its like a bootcamp basically. And then you either go for another round, or you go on and hustle on the spirit realm
>>26001411 This is really interesting. For some reason I find these views on death really cool. I wouldn't mind being reincarnated, but It'd be nice if spirit me could send some kind of sign that it's all going to be okay. It'd help me sleep at night
>>26001794 For me its faith mostly. No one can prove what happens after death so why not believe in something that is just as plausible as all the other theories? At least with the belief of reincarnation it tells you how to live a happy life if you follow its guide.
>>26001558 >but It'd be nice if spirit me could send some kind of sign that it's all going to be okay. It'd help me sleep at night Well, you can try and contact him/you. Its kinda really hard to imagine, because at the one hand this guy holds all your life plans in his hands which can feel weird, but on the other hand, it IS you.
You still have free will. For example, you can go against your own plans without knowing it, and then your higher self will try to push you back on the right track.
But it does not control you. You can still suicide for example, which is the worst thing you could ever do. Not only because you fuck it all up, but also because you put yourself into huge torment for a certain amount of time on the spirit realm. Thats like the single worst thing one could do
>>26002141 Maybe the soul lives on or some shit, or maybe your dying moments last an eternity in your mind and that's when you dream. I don't know why miserable people try so hard to make others miserable. I don't believe in God but I'm not going to go to a church and call them all idiots.
There's always an INTJ to ruin every spiritual discussion.
>>26002141 I agree with what you are saying. But a counter argument that people would bring up is the existence of a soul. The soul is on the supernatural side of things and would open up all kinds of possibilities for things to occur after death. Of course, none of it could ever be proven even if it did exist which is why many people, including myself, don't believe in it.
>>26001794 I have faith in Jesus and am a Christian. However, sometimes I think about other potential afterlives as a thought experiment.
Would loss of consciousness/existence bother me? I don't think so. I'd rather stop existing than live under the weight of my own guilt, I think.
The 'shared consciousness' sort of afterlife does sound pretty comfy, but for the same reasons the christian one does - a unity of shameless purpose. It would be really annoying if a shared consciousness were like modern life except everyone is telepathic
>>26002230 I think only things made by God can have a soul/spirit. I don't think man made simulated intelligence can have a soul. >>26002124 Live a good life and you would not have suffered at all. There was a great quote from Nietzsche who said: >What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more' ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.'
I believe in the Orthodox conception of the afterlife.
The thought of dying is quite scare, and it was much scarier when I was an atheist desu. I think I would rather suffer than not exist, because experiencing at least means that one can think and thus, hopefully, be purified of sin.
What the fuck am I reading? Is there some switch I can flick to make the world a better place? I try to be a good person but that doesn't change what the world is like or what other people are like. Anybody who isn't a moron knows that life is only good for a minority (the rich) and the rest suffer.
>>26002481 >living a good life it means live life virtuously.
Don't be greedy thinking that money is the only thing that matters Don't let lust control you by putting pussy on a pedestal Don't live like a sloth and be lazy Don't wrath and be quick to hate or anger Don't be envious and compare yourself to others and get jealous Don't let pride blind you, I'm right you're wrong, I know everything Don't fall for the consumerism meme of gluttony
Be virtuous as in wise (wisdom), courageous, disciplined and stand for justice. Have compassion for others and don't live selfishly.
if everyone was like this imagine how great the world would be, but you can only start with the man in the mirror.
>>26000855 Yeah this is a very normal feeling, especially for people in their teens and early 20s.
Interestingly enough, I grew up Christian and had a deep dread of the concept of eternity since I was about 7, even if it was an eternity in Heaven. I wasn't depressed or anything, but I just could not conceive of any possible way that you could exist FOREVER and not go completely insane with torment eventually; it seemed completely antithetical to the human experience, which is rooted in the finite. I was actually envious of the atheist version of reality, where you just live for a while and then die and that's that, everything wrapped up neatly. Immediately after I became an atheist myself, I started being kept up at night worrying about being erased from existence. Grass is always greener, I guess.
The most comforting thing I can say is this: yes, you're scared of the idea of your consciousness disappearing, but it isn't an inherently scary idea. You've just been raised into a culture that didn't help you adjust to this very value-neutral concept. For me, acknowledging this has been really encouraging, and it's my long-term goal to not ignore death or fear it, but un-learn my fear of it and accept it as a normal, healthy, maybe even preferable fate. Like, I'm gonna stop existing one day. Alright, sounds good. It's been nice borrowing atoms from the universe, I owe them back when I'm done with them.
Anyway, it's a better fate than this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyJlZjp-O9c
When you die your brain resets your consciousness to the beginning. The first time you lived, just at the moment you were about to die, your consciousness was sent back to relive all life as one vivid memory, meaning that there is no free will, and you are simply going along your predetermined route. There is no concept of time in this and it goes on for eternity. My friend explained there is some scientific proof to support this theory
>>26000655 >What happens after you die? That implies there is something happening right now. >Do you believe in an afterlife? One must utilize the ego to answer this question. >Does death scare you at all? It's nothing but a matter of perspective. If you are at all times experiencing conventional reality as interconnected at all times you cannot pinpoint where you end and another being begins so you are able to establish equanimity. You treat everyone and everything as if they were as precious as yourself. Place a drop of water into the ocean and tell me its possible to retrieve what you just let go of. All is one, one is all.
In short, death is as much of an illusion as your ego. Let it go and decipher deaths's meaning as part of the great enlightenment.
Nothing happens after death. Your conciousness is the result of a living brain. Impair your brain's function via injury, disease or substance abuse and it'll affect your conciousness.
When you die your brain also dies, which in turn ends conciousness.
The closest I could describe death is it will probably be like going under general anaesthesia. You have no concious thought, no dreams or perception of time or the outside world. The only difference is that you never wake up.
>>26003623 Don't worry, the odds of that seem pretty slim. Why would an omniscient god be so myopically focused on your actions during an infinitesimally small period of time that he'd decide your unchanging fate for the rest of eternity based on them?
I had a near-death-experience once. I was drowning in this lake, and I had just given up trying to swim, I was gonna let the water take me and die right there.
I felt this intense warmth come over my entire body. I saw these beautiful rays of color. I felt comforted, like death wasn't so bad after all. I had done all I could, but death comes for everyone, great or small. It felt like I was fading away, into some other place very far away.
Then someone else swimming in the water pulled me out and dragged me to the shore right before the water started getting in my lungs. I think a lot about it.
I've also done various dissociatives, and had experiences with them where I was sure I was dying. I've read that dissociatives mimic the brain response to trauma, so near-death-experiences and dissociative trips are one and the same. This one MXP trip took me through hell. I saw all these demons torturing people in different ways. It was very frightening to me, and I felt like this is where I was going to go when I died. I don't believe in hell anymore, but I really did for a few days after that trip.
>>26004068 Yeah. I feel like even with an infinitely good god, the only right thing it could do is put us all in some kind of permanently blissful heaven-like state, or else just end or consciousness entirely
>>26004103 It doesn't even make logical sense, it's like a stoner trying to tell me "DUDE you like don't HAVE to breathe man to get oxygen you can like use your mind dude" I blame video games and fiction.
There's probably nothing after death. But still I can't be sure. I don't believe in god or something, but sometimes I think it's pretty amazing that the world was created one way or another. I mean it all is a pretty amazing coincidence... we were born on earth where we can live. Like what were the odds of this all being created the way it did?
>be half hispanic, half white >left in shit-hole south american country >dad stayed in the U.S. >mom brought me up until 8 years old >8 years is all she needed to fuck me up for the rest of my life >hispanic culture always talks about death >"I want to die for you" "I rather die than be alone" "I want to die" in every single one of their songs >didn't help that every single day you'd hear of a violent shooting or some shit >I always asked her to put nice music on >would give her my disney songs cd and she'd never put it on >when I moved to the U.S. my grandpa died >I began to fear death more >stayed up at night thinking about what if everyone just disappeared >began to imagine myself just jumping off a roof >tell me about this kind of shit >she just laughs at me and tells me I'm silly >eventually become more fucked up >started wanting to kill people around me and shit >was only 10 years old >skip to when I was 14 >developed a habit in which whenever I thought of death in which I'd start fucking running around >realized later on in life how fucking stupid that was. I was trying to run from death >now a days, the thought of death still is a noticeable part of my everyday life >i'll never get over it >main reason why I even think of this shit is because I'm alone in this world
My parent's deaths are the ones I only really care about, even if I dislike my mom
>>26004167 >Like what were the odds of this all being created the way it did?
Isn't this just the anthropic bias, though? Like, we think this because we think we are special beings. But if the universe might as well have been different, have another set of creatures living in our place and thinking they're special.
>>26004167 100%, if you believe in either determinism or infinite universes. Still, yeah, it's amazing. A bunch of energy called "the universe" exploded out of nowhere, some of it slowed down and distilled into a fine mist of matter, which swirled around into various configurations for billions of years, and then some tiny quantities of that matter just so happened to swirl together into a configuration that allowed that tiny bit of the universe to reflect upon itself for a brief moment, before swirling apart again.
I'm not afraid of death. I was drawn to aspects of reincarnation as a child even though I was raised in a christian household. At this point I don't believe in anything specifically but I completely accept it's inevitability and therefore do not fear it.
>>26004408 Yeah man. It's like I said in >>26002664, there's nothing inherently bad about being erased from existence. So it's great to find things that help you forget the fear of oblivion you've learned all your life.
>>26004310 An eternity of nothingness is the ideal, in my mind. Being forced into consciousness at every single moment is exhausting.
Why can't I just sleep? No-because when I am swept off my feet into unconsciousness I do not perceive the passing of time exactly because I am unconscious.
I cannot "sleep" because to do so would be to not experience consciousness. When I die, however, I really do hope that I get to TRULY sleep, and sleep for all of eternity. No hunger, no orgasms, no dreams, no pain, no dentist appointments, no light, no random thoughts-just unadulterated nothingness.
But this is too optimistic, I'm afraid. In reality, you will "wake up" when you die.
The simple proof for that is this: you're alive right now and you never experienced the "death" that occurred before you were born. Therefore, you are just birthed again because you are literally the universe experiencing itself.
Nope, for all your ego cares the universal timeline started when you came into the universe. This is an illusion in positively every sense of the term. The idea that you are you is an illusion and a joke. You aren't the voice in your head. Your "soul" or "spiritual consciousness" didn't wait in line for trillions of years to be expressly born on this planet, as a human being, in this sliver of time. You are not the little man looking out from behind your eyes.
>>26004583 I've thought out my ideal existence, and it goes like this:
>sleep through the entire lifespan of the universe >wake up at the very end to witness the last lights fade out >pee, eat some cereal, check the internet to see what I missed >go back to sleep >universe starts over
A part of me is afraid it's more horrible than I could imagine. What if when we die, we go to the "real" world where we have to serve monstrous beasts and they torture us every day? What if at the end of it all, there is nothing but pain and suffering? Like the beasts have a city lined with human bodies, still alive and conscious, some screaming
It's like asking a man with no legs to run a mile with his legs. He just flat out doesn't have the wherewithal to do so.
When you die, you will not have the wherewithal to experience the hell you described. How will you see these beasts? With your deflated eyeballs attached to your oxygen-deprived brain? How will you feel pain? With your nerves that are attached to your spinal cord that is no longer serving as a highway of electrical signals because your brain is OFF?
It's actually impossible. Literally impossible. Like, it can't happen. Like, it's about as likely as me growing a 100 foot dick right now and cumming so much it drowns everyone on the planet.
QUICK, how do we fix the telomere problem? How do we stop these little shits from getting shorter and shorter until it can't copy itself, causing the deterioration of the body and afterwards death? Please, I'm so scared.
>>26004822 That's an interesting question. I wonder, what would happen if your heaven included a person who would not include you in their heaven. Would you be getting a fake copy of that person? Or would they be stuck with you even if they did not want you in their heaven?
belief's pretty immaterial it's probably black forever but ~who knows~ not really a useful thing to spend time jerking yourself off thinking about, or worrying about and i'm a guy who fucking loves to sit around and worry
>>26001172 happy for you anon i hope things are good and get even better
There's nothing that would cause me to believe that my consciousness can permanently cease to exist. The idea of never experiencing anything again after death is completely illogical in my mind, and if it were true I don't think we would experience anything at all in the first place.
>>26004877 Why do you think "you" are some sort of persistent being? Spirit forms are ridiculous and have no basis whatsoever.
What, do you think you will assume a sort of ethereal, celestial body when your "physical body" dies? What separates the physical from the spiritual in the first place?
It's just silly human-invented hoodoo voodoo talk. Why don't animals have spirit forms then? Why only humans?
Why do humans get to be special? Because we just so happened to evolve to have the brain power to reflect upon ourselves? It's like elevating sloths for the arbitrary reason that they seem to give the least amount of fucks of all organisms on Earth.
You're just a life form, because you can't NOT be a life form. There is no alternative to life-and that's exactly why you're reading my post right now. You will experience an eternity of "nows" because if you don't experience "now" then you don't experience anything. And if you don't experience anything then you immediately skip to "now" because you can't experience inexperience-PRECISELY like you were born. You just "skipped" into existence.The fucking clincher here is there was no "skip". It just feels like there was because you're playing a role right now, the role of an anthropomorphic being. The truth is, you've been here all along because this IS YOU and this is all there is.
There is no tether to the spirit realm or whatever fiction would have you believe. It's just shit spewed from the human brain.
I always saw it as being like before I was born. I have no real conception of existing before then. Hell, I feel like for the first 1-2 years of my life it was almost the same, I don't remember it at all.
>>26003315 Would this be a reason deja vu is a thing? Like since you've already seen whatever certain event countless times you have deja vu when you see again and think to yourself huh I've seen that somewhere?
>>26005032 >if it were true I don't think we would experience anything at all in the first place Hit the nail on the head.
You cannot die. It's too late to die-"existence" happened. "It" (whatever "it" is. Look around you, that is "it". The universe. The divine body, etc) happened and that's that.
Even if existence were to stop, if the universe died out because of entropy-absolute zero-then it's just a waiting game for it all to start back up again. Because if it happened once it will happen again.
Here's the thing though: just like you never had to twiddle your thumbs and sniff your ball sack the innumerable number of eons it took for existence to "start" (assuming time existed before existence or "it"), the span of time between the complete entropification of the universe and the development of complex organisms capable of reflective thought (i.e., human beings) will pass in ZERO time. Not even the blink of an eye.
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