>>25891408 >>25891403 >hello, sir, says here you want a job. what are your qualifications? >n-nothing >well what can you do? what skills do you have? >i... i kinda know c-computers... and stuff... you know >do you mean programming and networks? >no, just... computers... like browsers and emails and such >okay, we'll call you later, good day >b-but i didnt leave my number! hello?
Every time anyone posts one of these "woe is me, no one will hire me, why even bother" threads, I post advice on how to make a living without needing to get hired anywhere. It requires no specific skills or talents, just imagination and energy. But every time I post, I'm completely ignored. It can't be any more obvious that the reason you people are NEETs is because you're fucking *lazy*. Even if jobs were falling from the sky, you'd still be lying in fucking bed playing Mario League or whatever the fuck it is you people play.
>>25891794 >>25891802 Alright, I'll try this again. You need to *hustle*. Hustling is how you make money on the street. It means being creative and turning a quick buck on the grey market by finding or creating a market and then getting in and getting out quickly, then switching to something else. The important thing is always to keep an eye out for the main chance and jumping on it quickly.
For example, I was in Vancouver and happened to spot a whole bin full of leather belts on sale at Army & Navy for 50 cents. I bought the whole bin for $20. I had an itinerant's license for occasions just like that one (for which I paid $75 a year) which gave me the right to sell things door to door. I took the belts and sold all of them for $5 each in an afternoon. Then I took the money I made from the belts and made a bulk purchase of incense for 15 cents a pack, which I then sold door to door in the student ghetto for 75 cents a pack or three for two dollars. I managed to turn $20 into abour $350 in the space of two days.
I do stuff like that all the time. I made my living from that for years. All it takes is some initiative and creativity. And what's more, it's all cash, so there's no tax to pay. It's not as easy as punching a cash register and having someone hand you a paycheque, but it *anyone* can do it.
>>25891916 That's a decent idea. Where I live, door-to-door sales are very uncommon so I don't know how people would react (most probably in a negative way). Do you think an online shop will work (maybe selling things on etsy or ebay)?
>>25891955 No. See, hustling works because you are creating a tiny market no one else has exploited, and then emptying it out. If you want to sell shit on eBay you're going to be competing with thousands of other people. The whole idea behind hustling is to avoid competition by doing something no one else is doing. Like you said, no one does door to door sales any more. If you know your market, you can exploit it. For example, I knew students were likely to buy incense, were likely to be willing to open their doors to a stranger, and wouldn't mind spending a couple of bucks on an impulse buy.
You don't need to sell stuff door to door, but you need to do it in a way no one else is doing. Make your own homemade air fresheners in mason jars in unusual scents like beer or coffee (you can find recipes on Pinterest) and sell them at flea markets. Buy a batch of janitorial cleaning supplies wholesale and sell them to businesses. Those are both things I've done and made a lot of money with, so I can guarantee it works. Be creative.
I feel for the ones lumped in with the rest who legitimately try and are actually able but just get declined for someone who had that few hours a week job.
Where I work now being my first proper job, I excelled quickly (chef) just because I was so sick of not having work and tried my best when I finally got one.
And it is fucking shocking how many people who have supposed experience can just come in and be total shit. And whats more horrible is that they're usually old people who probably should have retired or found a better line of work then entry level pay.
I really tried to help one girl who just joined as her first job, I am quite hands on with new people and insist on teaching until they're comfortable but nope, the older employees wouldn't let me get in on a shift, they didn't tell her what to do and made a conclusion on that alone they were shit.
>>25892062 I do have a couple of pieces of advice. First, not everything is going to work, so never blow your whole wad on a single scheme; always keep enough back so you can try something else. And second, stay small. The capitalists don't care if you nibble around the edges, but if you find something really profitable, the temptation will be to go back to the well a second and third and fourth time. Don't. The capitalists will use taxes and bylaws and zoning and police and the courts to shut your ass down. Always take a small bite, then move on, so you don't attract too much attention to yourself.
>had job for a year that I only got through a friend >nobody after me got a job at the place I work since it was a small place >new year days rolls along >"sorry to do this anon but we have to let you go" >ask why >"we're on a tight budget at the moment and have to make sacrifices, you don't have as much experience compared to [others who worked there 2-3 years]" >manager says "don't worry, we'll be happy to put down that you weren't fired but let go so other employers will know why you aren't working at the moment" >get back to the job hunt >3 interviews >both ask me why I left my previous job >explain my situation and told them to call manager if they need clarification >"no that's alright, I think we got what we need to, thank you for your time" >they think i'm talking shit and actually got fired from last place >get no call backs when they said they would keep in touch Fuck this
>>25892527 I read a forbes article that said after interviewing Hiring managers they found out being unemployed for too long is as likely to have you disqualified for a job as having a criminal record.
>>25892527 Are you sending thank you letters? I'm in a similar situation, my contract ended and I just didn't get re-hired. Maybe you should phrase your employment there as a temporary thing and your employment simply ended. I'd end talking about it by emphasizing what you learned there and your enthusiasm to gain more experience. It helps a lot that you have a good reference, I was lucky in that as well. It was only three interviews, I went through 3 for just one company and then wasn't called back after the last one. Feels horrible but you just have to keep trying, it's a numbers game 100%. Just realize, as an HR major, this isn't anything against you personally. You are one among hundreds of applicants to weed through, it's all a game of phrasing shit right and going through the right hoops.
It's not like we're NEETs "just for now", this is a lifetime attitude of actually enjoying ourselves and fulfilling our purpose by following our passions, instead of being a wageslave. It's not just a word; you're actually slaves.
>>25892822 Not sending a properly formatted thank you letter/cover letter makes you look like an idiot. Having a nicely formatted resume and going through the employment hoops pays off more than half-assing it. A closed door isn't always closed. Besides, you should send the thank-you letter after the interview/before you know their decision regardless
>>25892879 >>25892967 >>25893020 are you just bitter because you're a slave and I'm not? I understand you're envious of my life but there are better ways to express your anger maybe you should take up painting for a hobby oh wait you can't because you're life is dedicated to working a soulcrushing job you hate and you're too tired and exhausted from your days work that any free time you have is spent resting, getting enough rest for the next work day and the cycle repeats itself don't worry, maybe by the time you're 40 you'll be able to afford that 2 weeks vacation, better put in the overtime though!
>>25893024 or misunderstandings due to not knowing social cues and shit I once did an odd job for my uncle to advertise a mom and pop cafe he had opened up, due to misunderstandings I ended up accidentally asking a girl out to a date didn't realize until moments later that she misinterpreted what I said as asking her for a date.
>>25893118 >Don't even debate their moron philosophy. I've actually done that before. It boils down to us not being able to agree on objective facts and reality. It's quite similar to talking to someone in a cult.
>Just make fun of them for being wack ass shit redundant comedians To be honest, these people make me sad. Not only are they living in denial, but think of their parents. >fucked up story, bro
>>25893176 actually if (s)he's been this incapable of finding a job for years, it probably is because of some kind of prejudice on the hirers' part (disability, race, social ineptitude, etc). it happens to a lot of people, sometimes without whoever is rejecting them realising it. some people just have certain characteristics that results in them getting discriminated against on a regular basis.
>>25893243 1). that's the same logic we throw at rape victims. whatever misfortunate one experiences must be brought on by them in one way or another. 2). even if it's on them, it's still discrimination through-and-through if multiple individuals are actively rejecting you for it. 3). it is a disability because it incapacitates your ability to function in any given social situation. 4). social ineptitude is a common symptom for a lot of disabilities (schizophrenia, autism, etc).
>>25893284 >What the fuck are you doing? I'm washing dishes anon, that is what I'm doing that is what society has decided I should do. >>25893289 >Can you code? How fat/retarded are you? pretty fat I guess, but I can benchpress my own weight so strong fat maybe? I like to think i have above average intelligent but my gpa took a massive hit from failing a lot of classes in the beginning despite my last semester being a 4.0 it all evened out to a 2.78 GPA which no one told me before that having less than a 3.0 GPA essentially makes my a degree a useless piece of paper, if I had known this earlier I would have dropped out like I wanted to in the beginning.
>>25893358 >You're liberal rhetoric and made up conditions are going to lead you to being broke and miserable. because the odds are often set against people with said conditions. no matter how hard they work to try otherwise (and fail nonetheless).
>>25893268 More like >We put out all this welfare for people to use when they're in between jobs or just can't get a job >But hang on a moment, there's huge amounts of people abusing this by using it as a long term source of income instead of just when you're in between jobs or looking for one >Holy shit, they really are leeching off our system by the thousands >This was not what this welfare was meant to do Next step is probably for them to demand that they do what they're already doing here in Finland where you have to be an active job seeker and actively participate in job seeking related activities before you can get welfare. We also cut off people's welfare if they decline job offers.
>>25893327 >http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-the-us-produce-too-m/ >article about PhD grads in hard sciences >arguing that applies to all levels of all STEM degrees I see you're functionally illiterate.
>>25893394 Those conditions aren't real. Anyone willing to pay a therapist can get diagnosed with that bullshit. If you're looking to make an excuse, it's an easy one to make. But I promise, the world doesn't care. Get your shit together, or you'll wind up unsuccessful and unhappy.
>>25893422 More than enough positions. We can't fill our low level development jobs. If you have a BSCS or a BSEE and can code, the world is your oyster. Move to NYC or SF. You'll be making six figures by the time you're 25.
>>25893474 >If you have a BSCS or a BSEE and can code, the world is your oyster. Unfortunately you have a lot of people with such qualifications who are still having a hard time finding a job.
>Move to NYC or SF. Those two cities have been overly-competitive for years (NYC competitively in virtually any job you can find there). Places like Athens, GA would be better since it's still just catching on.
>You'll be making six figures by the time you're 25. Only the top few percentages will achieve this. Everyone else would be closer to a middle-class salary.
man fuck the job market, i bough in to that shit of employment, i have 10 years worth of experience and even i can get hire stacking selves, im think about going native and taking up a hunter lifestyle, plenty of fresh air, no bullshit, eat when hungry, no need for employment, the world economy is fucked.
The sad thing about neets is that they all think that their "real lives" will start some day, and that being a shut in loser is just temporary, when in fact they are wasting away their "real lives" right now and even if they do get to a point where they might be able to start a "real life" they may have gotten too old to be able to take advantage of it.
You're also forgetting neurology, psychiatry, various bits of anthropology, etc.
>It does the opposite. Having professional scientists in the field diagnose you with a certain condition only validates it.
>Again, the world doesn't care about your liberal bullshit. It's hot air. The world doesn't care for those with conditions and inabilities they cannot help. They either feel apathy for it, or straight up antipathy. Hence many of the problems they face as a regularity. Discrimination including.
>but no one is going to make a decent living with that nonsense. Because they're living in a world that doesn't let them.
>>25893576 You're still only seeing the minorities (literal minorities -- not racial or gender) in this field. Also, confirmation bias.
>You don't have to be some sort of elite talent. It sometimes comes down to being in the right place at the right time. Or in most hiring scenarios, being likable enough for employers to want you on board.
In fact, a lot of the scientific methods used in psychology have influenced other fields.
>Since it's inherently subjective, it's easy to get diagnosed with any 'condition'. Hence one of the reasons it's the harder of the sciences. But it sounds like you're thinking of therapeutic psychology instead.
>That's why it's not worth anything. Generalisation.
>Again, you're blowing a lot of hot air that isn't worth anything outside of academia. Academia being one of the most important things in society.
>No one is interested in what you can't do. Again, another reason why people get discriminated against.
>>25893709 >When psychology adheres to the scientific method get back to me. i can't remember the last time i took psychology where it didn't use the scientific method. even 101 makes it abundantly clear the sm used in experiments.
Nonsense.Psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability.
Again, grow up. You're not going to rhetoric your way around work.
>>25893799 Citation? 1099 is a tax term. It's when one corporation pays another corporation directly. It cost a few hundred bucks to incorporate yourself. A lot of the highly in demand tech guys who work on a contractual basis do it this way.
It's more $ and easier to write off you're expenses.
>>25893797 1). There's not one version of the scientific method (a common misconception). 2). >Psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability. - http://digest.bps.org.uk/2014/09/the-10-most-controversial-psychology.html
>>25893832 >1099 is a tax term. It's when one corporation pays another corporation directly. Yeah, I used Google before replying.
>A lot of the highly in demand tech guys who work on a contractual basis do it this way. Sure, sure. But the problem is, someone has to pay the piper (insurances, taxes, pensions). So whatever you get can't be more than 30-40% of what you charge the client. This implies the corporation charges the client +$350/hr. This is possible, but I don't see it being anywhere near common.
Taxes you pay one way or the other. Believe me, you come out way better on 1099 than W2.
Pension? Is it 1955? Very few private positions in the modern US get a pension.
No, all I said is that they often charge $150hr. The take home part was of your own creation.These guys are probably taking home about 75% of what they charge the client. They do very well for themselves.
And of course it's not common. No one would pay them $150hr if their skill set was common.
>>25893404 >six months of unemployment >not a single call from TET >money is still rolling in >welp >great system ya got
Now, before you call me a useless shitstain, let me say my situation will be getting a lot worse in the coming months. Your threats are not needed, i'm fucked already. And mind you i do want employment but i have zero belief in my own skills even though i have two fields (of manual labour) to choose from, so the job hunt consists of fighting to pick up the phone to call places.
>>25894190 That implies he knows people in the business.
But ja, one of the most common ways to bypass all this is by making connections (i.e.: friends) in the industry and have them help get you a job. It's why you see people getting executive positions straight out of college.
>>25894190 Most of them have retired. I have like 2 aunts that still work (grocery store and motel receptionist) and neither of them are in a position of influence. In addition I live like 2 hours from either of their work places. My family is poor and have no connections whatsoever.
>>25894308 >No one is going to hand their business over to someone w/ no experience. Fathers who own the business do that with their sons all the time. If you have a friend from high up, his word can do a lot for your career.
>>25894367 Well, that's not a job. That's an inheritance. A friend high up, is a referral. Of course, it will help your career. But no one is making you an EVP day 1 at a public company, no matter who you know.
>>25894347 >Really? How did you get your job? >"Well you see my friend hooked me up....." More like 300+ job applications and 150+ phone calls, 11 interviews and two job offers. But sure, staying in denial is fine too.
>>25894293 I don't want to be a mooch, I want to get a job and an educated but nearly every government employee or prospective employer I meet "cringes" and discriminates against me.
I used to do everything society asked of me, I did well in my GCSEs, not so well in my A-levels due to my mother dying, bullying and ADHD-PI but I tried, I went to the job center, I even put off claiming benefits because I was going through a libertarian phase. Now I've given up completely and I have good reason.
I am literally NOT a part of society. Everyone has made that clear, I'd be a complete cuckold to keep trying. Call it an excuse but I don't see why I should continue this futile effort for the rest of my life just to prove I am a good person to people who seem to hate me whatever I do.
You have acted immorally so you can't push some moral burden on me.
>>25894308 "executive" is kind of pushing it, but it's quite common for people with no experience to get better positions than someone working at the company a full twenty years because they have some friends or family in similar positions:
>>25894432 Oh, of course. Yes, a guy with say a Stamford degree is going to be on a far better career trajectory, than some career middle manger. But they still don't make him head of the department from the jump. That's just ridiculous.
And yes, social life counts. Move out of mommy's house. Ge a GF. Start dressing well. All of that matters.
>>25894489 >Yes, a guy with say a Stamford degree is going to be on a far better career trajectory, than some career middle manger. Even without a degree you can get a multifigure position via the right connections. The frat boys who spent their college years doing nothing but fighting off hang-overs are going to get a better job than because of this.
>Move out of mommy's house. Need money to do that. Which means finding a job that pays enough.
>Ge a GF. That's not going to happen to anyone here.
>Start dressing well. Won't fix your obesity or ugly face.
You're both right, we have too many with degrees but little or no practical experience in the field. They are importing skilled foreigners because it's cheaper than the OJT needed to ready fresh graduates.
>>25894542 >The frat boys who spent their college years doing nothing but fighting off hang-overs are going to get a better job than because of this.
I am one. My college GPA was like 1.8. BA English. State School. I made 225k my 1st year out.
Again, you're not getting a good job in a public company like that. Those real reason those guys are getting better jobs than you, because they are handsome, and outgoing, and guess what...those are pretty valuable assets in the real world. Guys like us wind up in sales. It's where we belong.
The rest of your post is feeling sorry for yourself.
>>25894937 Tell me about it. I honestly think >>>/r9k/ is the male equivalent of tumblr. An unconditional hugbox where all the victims can congregate and exclaim how they've got it harder than the rest of the world. Truth is irrelevant here, only schizo conspiracies now.
>>25893576 >I live in NYC and work in employment. If you're young, have a BSCS or a BSEE, speak English, and aren't some sort of fat ass or autistic retard, you'll get a job easily. no you cannot, you just spread that lie so that these fields can be saturated more and you can pay them less.
I think the smoking gun in the whole STEM myth is the fact that despite companies saying that there is a dearth of qualified STEM majors in the job market , real wages for STEM major haven't actually risen in decades.
>>25895208 >because these excuses are actually true?
If the excuses were viable enough to keep a person out of work then they should be in a halfway house or group home. Places where they can be assisted in developing themselves or conditioned to join society rather than being mollycoddled.
>>25895305 don't stress yourself over it. some of us just don't get picked. fuck all the normie redditors in here that say otherwise and abuse any forms of welfare as much as possible until you can find the right job for yourself. fuck struggling, we don't live in a 3rd world country, we don't have to.
>>25895294 >tfw on ssi because state believes my depression and anxiety are too severe to make me hirable Turns out, at least according to SSA, it qualifies for benefits because employers don't like having workers with issues regarding anxiety or depression. Enough so, that some states give tax breaks to businesses hiring disabled people as a means of encouraging them to get into the workforce: https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Tax-Benefits-for-Businesses-Who-Have-Employees-with-Disabilities
>>25895377 >mental illness are bullshit. So is a belief in some kind of god of deity. But that's not going to stop you, now is it?
>I'm perfect healthy. I GUARANTEE you, if I wanted to I could get some psychiatrist to diagnose me with 'depression' or 'anxiety' within a month. EASY. If true, that certainly explains why you're able to get a job so conveniently because you have some mad con artist skills in your skin.
>It's huckster bullshit, and the vast majority of people know it. False consensus bias.
>>25891677 >I'm perfect healthy. I GUARANTEE you, if I wanted to I could get some psychiatrist to diagnose me with > 'depression' or Just take this antidepressants and function again > 'anxiety' within a month. EASY. Just make behavioral therapy and function again
>>25895294 >your legs blown off in Fallujah, people will understand, bullshit, people like to say they wouldn't disqualify a job applicant because they lost their fucking leg to a piece of shrapnel , if you were to ask them to their face at least. In practice they do, even if its illegal there is no real way of proving it.
>getting a job is only going to get harder >wageslaves create laws that force NEETS to do slave labor for pocket change out of spite >this NEET labor puts an increasing amount of wageslaves out of work >these fired wageslaves have to join the slave labor force or starve >the bigger the slave labor pool becomes the more likely you'll be forced to join it >eventually "careers" will be replaced by temporary government mandated "work" for everyone except the highly skilled or the highly connected >class divide is set back several centuries
>>25895656 >Since when is there a distinction between "middle class" and "working class"? Both live hand to mouth, but the middle class has stuff (and more debt). You would know this, had you the attention span at least to read Wikipedia. >You must be a britcuck. How do you come up with this shit? You're one fuckin' cheeky cunt, m8.
>>25895692 >I oppose it when it incentivizes being lazy and shiftless. Sadly, abnormal laziness is a symptom for some disorders/disabilities (there's also genetic components to laziness: http://www.livescience.com/28551-laziness-genes.html). Other than that, it's kind of not your business nor problem.
>>25895893 In the end everyone dies and you wont remember a thing or take your accomplishments with you or anything. Your conscience will fade away and your physical being will decompose. You experience life not make it a legs race against your fellow humans like some sick twisted fuck needing to insert a false sense of superiority
Depending on your career choice and major, most employers don't even consider your diploma or your college work as desirable 2 years after graduating. You had up to 2 years. what are you doing to improve your situation or further your skills to prove to your future employer that you have the aptitude?
>>25896017 Notice how I never disparage any notion of making something of yourself.
All Im saying is that you're a sad pathetic person who comes to a thread full of never-weres or I-give-ups to showcase your superiority when no one asked for your opinion. My boss is a millionaire and he never feels the need to brag about his wealth or slam down the poor.
You do the things that make you happy for yourself and not to gain a false high status. Thats why you're an asshole
>>25896022 Psychiatry is far from bullshit. You're just too dumb to understand it. Mental illnesses are very much real and can be coped through therapy and drugs along with a change of lifestyle towards wellbeing
>>25896096 Go out into nature/the woods. Raw materials are everywhere and you can travel as far as you can walk. You're only limited by what you know how to do, but even that isn't a limitation, since libraries are free as well.
>>25896227 Because you're too retarded and dense to understand why I made the original point. Everyone will die and death makes us equal. Hence you do what you want to do while you are alive and that goes back to my second point. I'm so sorry thay you cant separate nihilism from despair but that's your problem
>>25896221 Dude it was night time custodial services. It's perfect for me since I stay up late to begin with. And I can just chug through work and not have to talk to people since I don't really like talking to people to begin with.
I'll just put it like this. My previous landlord offered me to work for him in lieu of rent while I went about finding a job. Dude was born in the 1950's Navy Seal and all that.
This guy complemented me on my work effort. But I couldn't find work, so when the lease was up, I became homeless for a while. The sad part is this guy actually got me a MANAGER'S REFERRAL for working at a Lowe's as an overnight shelf stocker, I did not get a call back.
That's the major disconnect here between all these people saying that there's all these jobs. How about one of them take up a hobby, posting resumes resembling what many of our resumes would look like, and see how many times he actually gets called to interview.
>>25896285 Look dude, I even did the door to door, asking for work thing.
Half the places didn't ask me for a resume, they asked me to write my information down on what amounted to scrap paper. Like not even a full sized piece of paper at all.
But after facing experiences like that, how demoralizing it becomes. I don't collect welfare at all, nor do I agree with those who post wagecuck threads, but for the average neet who did try only to be faced with treatment like this, I sympathize with them.
>>25896269 How wonderful that you still seek to condescend to others whilst identifying as a never-were, an I-give-up or whatever the fuck.
>I'm so sorry thay you cant separate nihilism from despair but that's your problem Yes, because threads like these are contextual vacuums, and we should differentiate between despair and flimsy rationalizations.
You SHOULD feel sorry for me. Not the other way around.
>Supporting and endorsing job exporting globalism, extreme job requirements, expensive education, and an extensive welfare system that together creates a neet population that is a byproduct of modern society.
>"Instead of trying meaningful changes to our broken system, we will prescribe them brain retarding antidepressants and shame them incessantly so they will pull themselves up by their bootstraps, that will address the problem!"
>>25896311 Thoughts and emotions have never been proven. Actually that's even true. Thoughts snd emotions are just thoughts and emotion and not the truth. On the other hand psychosis for instance is real. I knew a woman who made a ritual with an animal organ in a park (it was in the news because there was a mess in the park of course). The woman wanted to summon a demon and tell him to heal the world. Do you think that psychosis isn't real?
But see that's the major issue. You complain about people that don't have jobs, but the people who wanted jobs you disqualify for easily fixable conditions. During this time I was eating a lot less so I had lost considerable weight, but did not have the money to buy better fitting clothes.
>>25896311 You can take a ct brain scan of a person with chronic depression and note the differences to that of a healthy person. Stip talking outta your ass just because you didnt have a good experience with your shrink. Its honestly disturbing how faggot normalshits like you speak with authority on subjects you have less of a clue about
>Require "experience" even for minimum wage jobs like dishwasher >Require references as well >If you don't really know anyone because everyone doesn't want anything to do with you you're SOL >Don't forget you need that college degree as well! Yeah no fuck you, you think I'd be shitposting, playing vidya, and fapping all day if I could get a job? Jesus fucking christ.
>>25896570 Your more of an asshole than neets because you berate people for unfortunate circumstances. Just fuck off from this thread. Everyone knows you're a retard after that "mental illnesses arent real" tirade
>>25891028 It barely matters whether NEETs want to work or not. The fact of the matter remains, there are not enough jobs left for the population. This is in part due to increased automation, but it is largely because of the fact that we're simply running out of cheap energy sources. The huge amount of growth from the past century was mainly from the plentiful amount of untapped fossil fuels. Now that they grow scarcer, economic opportunities in turn grow scarcer. We don't need this many people working anymore, and entire sections of humanity are becoming redundant. In the next 50 years this will lead to either a guaranteed universal income, or a mass die-off. I'll let you figure out which outcome is more likely.
>>25896706 It was also predicted that we'd have moon cities and be colonizing the solar system by the year 2000. If you believe the future is some technological utopia, you're in for a very rude awakening.
Something has to give. This system is not sustainable, and it must by definition collapse at some point. You cannot have infinite growth with finite resources. Every empire, every major civilization has seen a rise, and a fall.
>>25897004 >This system is not sustainable, >citation needed >it must by definition collapse at some point. You cannot have infinite growth with finite resources >because the resources are unequivocally defined and finite in our temporal context
>Every empire, every major civilization has seen a rise, and a fall. Out of context, mountains and molehills.
Also, you're betting your entire life that will take place within the next 50 years. You are literally no different from the preppers and ex-Y2K idiots.
>>25897118 Again, nonsense.You're trying to shoehorn your bullshit into the definition of what 'science' is.
Actually, it's worse than that. It's an attempt to redefine science. Science, redefined, is no longer the empirical analysis of the natural world; instead, it is any topic that sprinkles a few numbers around. This is dangerous because, under such a loose definition, anything can qualify as science. And when anything qualifies as science, science can no longer claim to have a unique grasp on secular truth.
Please save your bullshit for the social 'sciences'.
If you're obese, your life is fucked. It's nothing to brag about.
BTW what % of the people on this board are fat? I've asked at least 3 Anons itt who said they were having trouble finding work, apropos of nothing, if they were fat. All 3 have said they are. I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
>import thousands of third world niggers to drive wages down >destroy traditional family unit and make marriage a trap >infinite inflation and population growth >government: hurr why are all the proles dropping out of society
NEETs are just ahead of the curve. Society is getting automated at an alarming rate now, and this economic system will eventually implode as a direct result of it, the jobs are just not coming back.
The idea that everyone has to work is already ridiculous. We're entering the age of abundance, all we have to do is correct the distribution system so that everyone can have a reasonable living, instead of billions of of people starving while some can literally swim in money like Scrooge McDuck.
People who are angry at NEETs are just clinging to the dogma of the past, where everyone was indoctrinated into thinking that everyone had to work. This was admittedly true back in 1890 or whatever, but it's not true any more and never will be again.
>>25899450 >this economic system will eventually implode In part due to the NEETs leaching off of the system (yes, I'm lumping you in with the dindus and white trash sitting at home all day puffing on a pipe).
So yes, I suppose NEETs are more prepared to live as filthy scavengers because they basically already are. Of course, I'd love to see a NEET HamPlanet try to forage for food, would make the entire apocalypse worth it.
>>25892527 isn't there a phrase in english for economically sacrificed? literally every company was doing that in the recent years and it shouldn't be a problem
also do keep in mind how you retell how your last employment ended. and do remember that most companies interview dozens if not hundreds of applicants and like to keep things short and have to choose between a lot of good candidates for one position.
>>25891454 this is absolutely hilarious because i am infact CCNA and A+ certified, have an internship under my belt, and graduated from an IT academy. i am partially through an engineering degree with IT classes here and there. nobody will interview me, even for relevant positions. i must be trying too hard right?
>>25893308 >1). that's the same logic we throw at rape victims. whatever misfortunate one experiences must be brought on by them in one way or another. you know , /pol/ is really two faced on this they'll say that a woman getting raped after dressing "provocatively" had it coming but then if a muslim makes this statement they take the other argument and chew him out,
>>25901533 I mean, don't leave your windows open and expect not to get robbed. Not that you "deserved it", and not that ultimate responsibility doesn't lie with the thief, but... come on. Close your fucking windows.
>most NEETs are masturbating, re-watching an anime series, or generally disappointing their parents >gainfully employed members of society are trying to point out how inherently selfish and complacent NEETdom actually is >We're all shitposting here regardless
>>25901695 I put out a resume a day no more no less , I'm through with the frantic rat race approach to job hunting , if society wants me to have a job then it will give me a job, if not I will continue to live as I do.
My area has undergone a lot of gentrification in the last decade or so. Maybe more than any other area in the country. Obviously what comes with that is a seismic change in the population's demographics. There are still a few holdouts from the old days. There was a women on my street who was a NEET shut it. She hung a sheet in front of her porch so it was difficult to to see, but every once in a while you'd catch a glimpse of her, I guess getting some air. She was easily 400 pounds. A few of my old timer neighbors told me about her. She never worked, and had inherited the house from her parents. She died last month. 46 years old. Today some men were cleaning out the house. The men doing it had to wear full on Hazmat suits. It was crazy.
So keep it up NEETs, and welfare pimps. Once you pass a certain point, there is no going back. And I assure you, there is not going to be a happy ending to your story.
They do the H1s by making obscure positions that are unfillable like asking for 7 years of windows 7 experience 3 years after it was released or asking for random, unrelated skillsets, then they complain that they can't fill the position and get more H1B visas who they can basically hold as slaves cause if they fuck up they fire them and eject them back to their home country. Welcome to the tech world scam.
>>25891028 >WE'RE LOSING TAX REVENUEEEE!!1! Gov'ts are so short-sighted. Maybe if they put effort into fixing the job market, which is all but broken, then they might have a better chance of maintaining a steady stream. The pensioner's in the government lack perspective and are out of touch.
>They do the H1s by making obscure positions that are unfillable like asking for 7 years of windows 7 experience 3 years after it was released or asking for random, unrelated skillsets, then they complain that they can't fill the position and get
Untrue. H1s are there for positions where there is a lack of US talent. No one wants to deal with H1s, it's a pain in the ass. It's always a last resort.
>H1B visas who they can basically hold as slaves cause if they fuck up they fire them and eject them back to their home country.
This is somewhat true. Except most of the company's that hold H1s are of the same ethnicity (chiefly Indian). But yes, they exploit them, and it's basically a form of indentured servitude.
>>25902717 >Untrue. H1s are there for positions where there is a lack of US talent. No one wants to deal with H1s, it's a pain in the ass. It's always a last resort.
Bullshit, they love them cause they are basically slaves. Why do you think Indians are all over? They work for slave wages, not cause they have any actual skills that aren't here. They don't want to pay a guy a competitive wage here, which is what we expect to move positions. It is well known they have non-competes and deals to keep wages from going up. They will go for years without filling certain tech positions at a lot of places just cause they won't pay. The talent is out there, but capitalism sucks when they actually have to adhere to it.
>>25902829 That's not what happened. They didn't fire anyone. They let go of contractors, who aren't technically employees.And they where tech workers, not R&D. Still somewhat shady, but an understandable business move.
>>25900421 By this logic we should be angry at the super wealthy, they take much more than they give.
>inb4 they create muh jobs
They are in control of a vast amount of power due to their wealth, and not necessarily the most qualified to wield it, I'd rather that power goes to an elected transparent body who will use it to advance the interests of everyone, tax the wealthy into oblivion, cap personal fortunes! We would need to completely abolish the international banking system and start a new internatioonal monetary system to do this.
Yeah, no they aren't. They are lobbying constantly to allow more H1Bs based on them lacking the skills here. That is their requirement, they have to be unable to fill the position with an american. So they play games until they can make that happen.
>>25903078 Of course, it's not a perfect system, and there is abuse. But 98% of the times we deal with H1s it's they are highly educated and highly skilled, and they're in areas, where there is a VERY noticeable lack of American talent.
I'm a landlord too. If you're making 160k, you'll spend 3000-4000 on rent. As long as you don't live in one of the most expensive areas you'll be fine.
Most people move further out when they have kids. Only real ballers raise families in the most expensive neighborhoods of NY.
That number was pulled out of your ass and there isn't a lack of talent. We have shitloads of talent, they just won't pay for it. I have dealt with it hundreds of times when dealing with internal positions or positions for friends, people I know who have companies, etc. None of them can figure out why they can't find someone, then you see the pay rate and tell them to raise it and they will get someone. Again, supply and demand is always lauded until it affects wages, then suddenly company welfare has to save the day.
>it's another "current NEETs try desperately to convince other NEETs and former NEETS how happy and satisfied they are" thread
You are trying to convince the only people in an online forum who couldn't ever be fooled by your bullshit. This forced meme is almost as bad as the cuck shit because it's full of so many samefags pretending to be pissed off by the "NEET" posts and it's transparent as fuck.
>>25901448 >economic sacrifice Layoff, is what we would call that in the US. Getting laid off is what they call it when you lose your job because your employer can't afford to pay you or doesn't have any work for you to do. it sounds like he got laid off and hes having a hard time explaining that to interviewers.
>it's another "Exactly 0 of the so called NEETs in this thread ever post any kind of proof they get some significant amount of aspiebucks because when it does exist, it's an unenviable pittance" thread
their parents have already given them a deadline for getting their shit together and they're just participating in like ebbin meme <:^)
I'm in the oil industry and about to get fired. everyone is getting laid off. I'm about to become NEET again. I've already applied for a gun permit since it's harder to get one when you're unemployed . I'm gonna be NEET for a while and if nothing comes up I'll have a quick, painless suicide method in my drawer.
i am. and the amount of white mediocre cohorts (especially women) who have *good* jobs is seriously bumming me out. i don't *want* to think it's racism. but literally what the fuck. every time i go to an office to interview, i see some goofy looking male employee walking around, or hear some vapid female yammering loudly about the club or some shit.
i've worked at places where NO ONE was mediocre. not really exceptional either. but everyone was sharp, and was college educated. and then i've worked at places where people literally couldn't maintain consistent style in an email. Their Fucking writing looked....... like this......... :) and they were making double-digits per hour.
i'm sure it has something to do with my interview skills. my resume looks great. i guess i just need to come across as more "hungry" or something in interviews.
Outsourcing of jobs may limit opportunities in the U.S.; candidates with a relevant 4-degree, up-to-date skills and experience with a variety of computer programming languages will enjoy the best opportunities.
Cause they outsource everything. A peoplesoft programmer isn't some magic unicorn, a developer can figure out most shit fairly quickly even if they don't know it, again, you just don't want to pay for it.
Also, I am willing to bet you base your "almost no" number on the fact that you got barely any responses to your job openings cause you pay shit. Like most idiots in any business, you think supply and demand only applies to things you sell, but conveniently forget that supply and demand also works with labor as well, until the system is fixed with cheap labor from 3rd world shitholes.
Indian programmers are fucking horrible, literally any developer will tell you this once they see their spaghetti code. Hell, work with their software for a bit, it is always a mess, mainly cause they don't give a fuck cause they are just there long enough to move to the next job.
And btw, you sound like a corporatist who hates actual capitalism.
>>25903536 it's not a big name. but we did a bunch of jobs for haliburton in 2014
the reason I'm considering suicide is that I'll never have a job as comfortable as this. working in the oil industry is like getting paid to be a NEET with the respect and prestige that comes from wage slaving. you can show up 1 hour late and no one cares. you can sit in front of the computer browsing 4chan on your phone and no one cares. you can tell your boss you're going for a walk and then go home and no one cares.
I could get another job, but I'll have a boss breathing down my neck, I'll have to wake up early, shave, etc... not interested
Yea, I hear Dallas is having a huge issue with that. Toyota is coming from Cali soon, my house has jumped 75k in a few years. We are stealing quite a few more companies from cali. The cali faggots love it here too and I like them cause they are driving up my property values till I can sell and work remote from somewhere quiet and comfortable.
>>25903591 I don't mean to insult you, but I'm in the industry. We tend not to send black people on interviews, because they don't tech out.
Then we have other jobs (programming) where they have diversity initiatives in place. They will bend over backwards to hire 'minorities' (in the tech world: Black and Hispanic). Problem is, there are almost no qualified candidates.
Oh christ, recruiters, HAHAHAHA. That is like the next real estate for failures.
Banks do nothing but dumb shit when it comes to systems and IT, know quite a few people who work for banks. They still do shit like buy T1s, use traditional telephony, use 20 year old systems and code they could have redone and saved millions over a standard lifecycle on.
They are in financial, so it is hard to not make money hand over fist even when you make terrible decisions, much like oil companies up until recently.
Yea, but you already lived there, why would I move there now? SF or NYC were probably great before the insanity, but now it is retarded to even suggest someone move there and try to live for 160k a year, they will have to live in a shanty.
>>25903870 >but now it is retarded to even suggest someone move there and try to live for 160k a year,
Don't listen to that idiot. NY was plenty expensive when I moved here too. You start in a shitty place with roommates and work your way up. I started in an SRO, and now own 2 houses. Oh btw, If you're making 160k a year, you're going to have a very nice place. That dude is just running his mouth because he is mad at the world.
>>25903689 here are the methods i've tried. usually 2-3 per interview:
>i need this job to earn money for grad school, to become a more qualified employee >this job would allow me to live comfortably, opening up more free time for me to engage with the community >i'm better than almost everyone you'll interview because i'm not a typical douchey millennial >i'm funny in the office. here's some banter. >i'm a complete follower, and will never cause discord against management. here's me demonstrating absolute passiveness. >we wuz kings and shit. i duhmand muh job.
which of these should i emphasize more?
one older female interviewer and i made star wars references the whole time. a younger male interviewer all but confirmed that he goes on 4chan. those were two that hurt especially. i thought i fucking nailed them.
They pay a lot, but they hardly get the top talent. No top talent is amped to go work for a fucking bank unless they are doing investments as they don't really have interesting projects. It is clear you recruit, not work in the technical field or you would know this.
>How much of a fucking egomaniac are you? Do you realize how much money these banks would loose if their systems fail when the market is open? I'm not even going to mention the quant groups.
Failures on what exactly? Every large company makes changes outside of production in a lab, old code sucks and is slow/clunky/hard to find programmers for, but clearly will continue working similarly. Depending on whether they are doing HFT or not, they might have top of the line network equipment, but generally it is just older kit with normal update cycles every 3-5 years. Granted it is redundant, but it isn't top of the line or some shit. They are all cheap as fuck, I have done consulting and know people who work in banking and HFT, the HFT people will pay, banks don't give a shit as long as it works and aren't interested in updating old code.
All goes back to, I'M A RECRUITER, I TALKED WITH A FEW TECH PEOPLE. You aren't technical, give it up. People who are actually interested in tech projects and innovation go to startups or companies like facebook/google, etc. No one wakes up and is like FUCK YEAH, time to go do some innovative shit at a bank.
Yea, those 4 years were right at the end of the major housing collapse, so now you are going to tell people how it was all your hard work when in reality you just caught the opportunity and then just gloss over that fact. You probably nearly stole those houses and now pretend like you were just a hard worker.
Never said they were, just that those people generally don't care about MUH RICHES as much as a challenge/project and the passion behind it. You don't seem to understand what drives a lot of those people and it isn't being a billionaire, otherwise they would just go into investment banking and make millions. Hell, just pursuing math or physics and working for banks on trading algorithms you make a killing if that was all they cared about.
Top level people generally start their own companies, work at startups in hopes of shares and a buyout while doing cool projects and the startup lifestyle that comes with it or they work highly prized positions at already existing tech giants. No one in the tech field that is top of the top is pushing for banking first, they just end up there if they didn't make google or hope to just pursue some bank money.
Sure, you have to be around the right spot, have the cash and ability, catch the right deal and then move in. Tons of people were out of work and broke at that time when the market shit. Basically you are giving people advice that would have been helpful 5 years ago, but not now. If the market starts to shit again, then sure, that would be alright advice.
I don't think anyone is perplexed by the concept of buy low, sell high. You just have to have everything line up to take advantage.
>>25904580 Dude plenty of tech people like $ as much as anyone else. Banks attract lots of elite talent. Esp. non-white suburban millennials. All those start up people are chasing cash too. . In the long run, banks are frequently the smarter play.
Sure, they like money, but if you give them the choice of bank projects which are a fucking snorefest or some dynamic startup/google type environment, I think we both know what most will choose.
Banks are fucking boring to work for, so you have to just be in it for the money. That isn't bad, just not the drive behind the majority of tech people, especially the elite as they are usually very passionate about the field. Rarely do you get a top tier talent person who is just kinda meh towards what they do and only pursue cash.
>>25904731 The NYC market wasn't hit very hard. More stalled development projects then plummeting housing prices.
I moved to Brooklyn when I was young, because it was cheaper. I invested in my neighborhood (Wiliamsburg) because I saw value. Turns out I was right, and I made a lot of money. I wasn't born here. It wasn't luck.
If I was 25 now, and looking to buy my first home, I might looks in Ridgewood. Frankly you should ask a 25 year old, because they would know better than I do. Point being, a smart 25 year old would know where there is value. It changes constantly.
Buy low sell high is the aftermath. First you have to see value. Then you have to accept and mitigate risk. That's what separates the guys who get rich, from the guys who complain.
>>25904794 >Sure, they like money, but if you give them the choice of bank projects which are a fucking snorefest or some dynamic startup/google type environment, I think we both know what most will choose.
White millennial hipsters, yes. Older people, foreign born people,conservatives, and some nerds aren't so much into that culture. It can be cloyingly juvenile and twee.
Banks are boring to you (me to), but plenty of guys (even tech guys) get off on putting on the suit and heading down to Wall St.
The problem with this mentality is you assume it was due to skill and again, not just luck. If you did it over and over and over again, then it could be argued, but you did it once in a place that you said you live in in a place that is a world hub. That would be like if you invested in London property and said you made an amazing investment. No shit it is going to do well, it is London.
Also, counting your investment as gains before you sold is a bit rough.
The problem is most of those people aren't innovators or major talent, they are just good enough to work there, people with revolutionary talent, especially developers, can make tons of money working on their own, much more than a bank. They are a bank, the fuck do they need top tier programmers for? They aren't doing innovative new tech, they are just using databases and front ends, a few pieces of simple banking software for in house and some apps for customers. There isn't anything revolutionary going on there, so they can claim this top tier talent, but why would they need it? Sometimes good enough is all you need.
If they are doing HFT, then they have guys that just sit and work on trading algorithms all day, generally they are just math/physics majors. Nothing fancy going on at most banking institutions, it is similar to working for any other major firm that isn't tech focused. You become a cost center, not a revenue stream, so they don't give a shit other than make it work.
>>25905185 I agree to a certain extent. But again, you're thinking of a certain kind of white millennial (and Asian) talent. Most startups never amount to anything. More than most, almost all. Do you think guys with families and mortgages, want to deal with looking for a new job every 8 months? People value stability too.
How many people have 'revolutionary' talent? A handful? I talk to guys all the time, who only want finance. They won't even consider startups. Can't say I blame them. They're mostly bullshit, and the people are beyond annoying.
Right, you bought in an area during a recession that has inherent value due to proximity to major world hub centers for finance and other large money businesses. That is a no brainer. Try it outside of NYC, people do that all over in other non-sure markets and make tons of money, but it requires a lot of work.
Considering what you are talking about has been happening all over NYC since at least the 70s, it wasn't some magic prophecy on your part, you just watch for it to dip and you know people will eventually move to it when the other spots get too expensive and the economy recovered.
There is an article talking about it and how they are already working on finding the next hot spot. It isn't going to stop as it has been cycling for like 40 years and the area is going to be the last place to ever die off in the country, so it is a fairly sure thing.
People with families generally give up on the passion you have to dump into a career and focus on family, which is normal. You only have so much of yourself to give, so you find a safe spot if you have a family, which is banking. If you don't spend tons of time honing your craft, constantly keeping up, etc., you will not be cutting edge or even top level talent. Unless the person ignores their family and just says fuck it, they aren't top tier talent in these positions.
I made it clear HFT is different, but that is mainly cause they have to deal with specialized algorithms for trading, speed is of the essence and they can't have failures. But this is still horribly boring work, so it just attracts technical coders, not the creative top tier you are suggesting. Just cause they made it out of a top school doesn't mean they are somehow the best at coding, plenty of the upper echelon either have degrees from meh universities, no degrees or unrelated degrees.
Again, you just need it to work right, not some technical marvel. They aren't creating something that's never been done, they are just crunching at the bit to shave microseconds of latency off things like network and program run time. It is boring, mind numbing work and not the desire of most people in the field.
If it was a no-brainer, everyone would have done it. Big money was in years, after me and my friends got it. Now I get asset managment firms calling me everyday wanting to make me offers on prperties I bought 10 years ago.
>Try it outside of NYC
I'm not sure I would invest in real estate in the US outside of NY and SF. Too volatile.
>Considering what you are talking about has been happening all over NYC since at least the 70s, it wasn't some magic prophecy on your part, you just watch for it to dip and you know people will eventually move to it when the other spots get too expensive and the economy recovered.
Nigga, am I claiming to have invented the wheel? I saw value, invested, and made a lot of money. End of story.
Everyone can't do it, might be because the risk is too high for them at the time, they don't have some insider info in this case that it sounds like you got. That neighborhood was eastern euro immigrants, I assume you fall into that and the community talked and you snatched it up. Try it in china town or something, you won't get a word in cause you aren't part of the club.
Even then, you lived there and saw the writing on the wall when a few people started coming in to change the neighborhood. You won't do it anywhere else as you say it is volatile, but that breeds movement and therefore a chance for gains. The real reason you don't is cause the ins you had aren't there. Let's not kid ourselves, you won't do it in SF either.
Your suggestion that anyone can just wander in and do what you did is ludicrous, if they come swinging in now, they will pay shitloads for garbage property and have to live in a shanty. Even if you do well there, you still have to live your life for decades in a tiny little craphole house. They also would have none of the local knowledge of the area that you had due to living there.
They aren't really elite though, I know a network engineer that moved to a HFT company in Australia, he wasn't the top of the top. Basically your claim is all graduates from a top university are top tier, which is false and you know it. Between admittance for diversity and variations in levels of the person meeting the entrance requirements, some might blow it out of the water, some might barely squeak by and then you run into people who barely make it through, some cheat, etc. Hell, India has a whole culture built on cheating, so these magic H1B visas that are apparently top of the top are from a place that literally rioted when politicians suggested policies to stop cheating at universities. You seem to have gone away from that point in the first place, the H1B visa problem. Hell, hire americans all day for all I care, but the H1Bs are the issue.
>>25905624 >That neighborhood was eastern euro immigrants
No, not really. Back in the day, the North and South side were mostly Hispanic, and the East Side was Italian. I am part of neither community.
>Try it in china town or something, you won't get a word in cause you aren't part of the club.
Again, untrue. Maybe true when renting an apartment, but when selling property, people take the highest offer. If you don't believe me, take a walk around what was once Little Italy.
>Even then, you lived there and saw the writing on the wall when a few people started coming in to change the neighborhood. You won't do it anywhere else as you say it is volatile, but that breeds movement and therefore a chance for gains. The real reason you don't is cause the ins you had aren't there. Let's not kid ourselves, you won't do it in SF either.
My brother lives in SF, and that and business takes me out there regularly. NY and SF have a unique advantage, not only because they're major business centers, but also their geography deters sprawl. I didn't invest in SF, because managing a property from across the country is a pain in the ass. I did make my brother buy a place 5 years ago though. He sold it last year, made a ton of $, and moved to Marin County.
>Your suggestion that anyone can just wander in and do what you did is ludicrous, if they come swinging in now, they will pay shitloads for garbage property and have to live in a shanty. Even if you do well there, you still have to live your life for decades in a tiny little craphole house. They also would have none of the local knowledge of the area that you had due to living there.
I never suggested anyone could do it. But why am I so special? Of course you have to pay your dues. No one is saying otherwise. But guys bought in Greenwich Village in the 50s. And guys bought in SOHO in the late 70s. And people bought in Tribeca in the early 90s. It will happen again, and smart young people will capitalize.
>>25905981 This poster is actually exactly right. Bushwick has already become the new up-and-coming Williamsburg, and the new Bushwick is basically Bed Stuy/Crown Heights. Right now there are a few buyers picking up shitty old apartment buildings and gut renovating them. If I had the capital, it would be a pretty good investment, honestly.
Not talking about selling, obviously they will take money from whomever, I am talking about getting local information, but yes, Williamsburg was heavily eastern euro and still has some of it around however gentrified it has got.
So, you have a family member as an in in SF, that is why you are comfortable with that. Also, if you had the money you claim off this, you would just have a management company manage all this property. Any millionaire I know with properties has a company do it for them and anything past about 3 properties and most people quickly move to property management companies. Everything from a few homes to multi million dollar apartment buildings, they all used management companies.
You did suggest anyone can do it, but they don't have the same connections you do. Moving from some other spot to NYC randomly at this point would be awful and you know it, but you are in real estate and gain from people moving there, so I see the drive to talk it up. Never trust a man's advice when he has something to gain off it. By the time most of them get enough capital to buy anything, they will have had to live in squalor for decades and hopefully the climb hasn't stopped or gone so high they can't afford even the trash property. One person has a good idea, everyone does. You were just stuffed there from outside the country, worked like most people do, then invested. Not a bad thing, but not something you did without some luck of the draw.
Most millionaires I have met and have befriended will at least admit they had a lot of lucky breaks or helpful situations to get them there, you seem to be adverse to admit it.
>>25906340 >Williamsburg was heavily eastern euro and still has some of it around however gentrified it has got.
I think you're thinking about Greenpoint (Polish). Williamsburg was never heavy E. Euro. It was Hispanic, Italian and Hasidic Jew.
>So, you have a family member as an in in SF, that is why you are comfortable with that. Also, if you had the money you claim off this, you would just have a management company manage all this property. Any millionaire I know with properties has a company do it for them and anything past about 3 properties and most people quickly move to property management companies. Everything from a few homes to multi million dollar apartment buildings, they all used management companies.
Why would anyone invest in anything you don't know a ton about or aren't comfortable with? Yes, management companies. You could do it. Still a pain in the ass. And I'm a millionaire. In fact a multi-millionaire. But I'm not that rich. I don't just throw away $. I've got a crew of contractors that I work with, when I need them. Why would I need a management company? To collect rent checks? It's not that hard.
>Moving from some other spot to NYC randomly at this point would be awful and you know it,
I don't know it. I moved to NYC randomly, w/ very little $. Kids who work for me do it. Fuck, there are TONS of young people here. Why are you r9k people so invested in talking yourselves out of things? All I hear is what you can't do.What's impossible. If I had your attitude when I was in my early 20s, I'd be some miserable cubicle jockey now. >Most millionaires I have met and have befriended will at least admit they had a lot of lucky breaks ...
IDK, 'luck' can't be qualified. Was it luck that I was an indifferent student, and wound up in commission sales, because I didn't have that many other options? Was it luck that once I found myself in commission sales I got super competitive about it? I mean really, whose to say?
You would need a management company cause you just said you have issues managing more properties. Literally the only way to scale any business is to offload some of the work, stupid shit like repairs and dealing with tenants would be something to offload and scale as you buy more properties, this is business 101 and pretty much no one manages their own properties, especially people who are millionaire real estate moguls.
I am not an "r9k" person, I have a full time job in tech, live quite comfortably and work very little so I have time for personal life vs being a workaholic, just what I prefer and I sacrifice some monetary gains for it, worth it to me. No one looks back and says they wish they worked more. I live in Dallas, not like we don't have a booming economy and I know plenty of real estate people here, you just seem to have a confusing way of going about it since it won't scale with you running everything.
>>25904030 >i need this job to earn money for grad school, to become a more qualified employee good, imo. a decent, honest explanation of your own motivation. >this job would allow me to live comfortably, opening up more free time for me to engage with the community no one cares. >i'm better than almost everyone you'll interview because i'm not a typical douchey millennial oh boy... nobody wants to hear this narcisistic shit. this is the biggest offender in your list. >i'm funny in the office. here's some banter. employer don't care if you are funny or not, as long as you get the job done. >i'm a complete follower, and will never cause discord against management. here's me demonstrating absolute passiveness. okay-ish, but wouldn't play that up too much, makes you look weird. >we wuz kings and shit. i duhmand muh job. might work if employer can be intimidated into employing you, lol.
One thing to think about is the guy opposite to you in the interview. Don't make it too much about why the job is good for you. They wanna know why you are good for them.
>>25907303 >You would need a management company cause you just said you have issues managing more properties. Literally the only way to scale any business is to offload some of the work, stupid shit like repairs and dealing with tenants would be something to offload and scale as you buy more properties, this is business 101 and pretty much no one manages their own properties, especially people who are millionaire real estate moguls
I already said I have a crew of contractors I work with. Outside of that, what do I need a management firm for? Rental properties here go in under 24 hours. It's literally a couple of hours of work every few years. Other than that, the most I do is answer emails, and go to the bank once a month with checks. It's not hard. And, I'm not trying to grow the business. It's not even my main gig. It's my side hustle. If anything, I'm scaling back, and taking more time off these days. TBQH, you sound like an ambitious guy, who isn't quite satisfied with his life. You keep trying to create this narrative where it was lucky /easy for a guy like me, and impossible for a guy like you.
Because you literally said that you can't invest in SF cause you said " I didn't invest in SF, because managing a property from across the country is a pain in the ass"
That would mean you could use a management company to do it for you and still do it. Why not just say "I don't want to" instead? That was my only point, you led me one way, then seem to get all defensive when I present a solution for it that is very common.
I am not ambitious for anything but what I like, pretty much just working out and health, socializing and some hobbies. I have more than enough income to have all that, a spacious house, the stuff I want around the house and some left over. I watched my family work themselves to death on farms and doing blue collar shit and I told myself I don't want that, I refuse to sacrifice comfort now for some money later in life. My retirement will be a shotgun in the mouth as being old is awful.
Living in NYC in shit conditions for a little bit of money later on is not worth it to me. NYC is gross, cramped and smelly, I am from NY state, but fuck that city for anything other than work/visits.
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