Desire is the root of suffering. If you want to be happy,

But I would be more happy if I got all that I want. Nothing wrong with having goals

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>>25859672
isn't wanting to stop desiring also a desire?

That's desire in and of itself.
BOOM got you there, I'm going to go read Occidental philosophy and j/o

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>If you want to be happy, stop wanting things.

That's not how it goes, OP.

If you want to be happy you should stop wanting it. You shouldn't even want to stop wanting it, for desire is the root of unhappiness.

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If I could just stop wanting shit, I'd do it.

The problem is that desire is intrinsic within man.

>>25859690
what part of don't desire do you not understand?

I've noticed I've stopped caring about a lot of stuff lately, am I on the road to niravana?

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>>25859765
You still want to not desire, so it's still desire

>>25859672
Wanting thing is way long passed before me.
I just am very bored now.

I just want to live comfortably and be happy.

>>25859805
so you really don't get it at all. its not about desiring to not desire its about ZERO desire period. There is no I desire to not desire bullshit you are trying to sell.

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>>25859835
if you don't desire then you wouldn't reply, but you still desire

>>25859835
Nah you don't even get it nigga, it's not about the absence of desire (that occurs only through death), but not letting desires control you dig?

>>25859870
Correct.
I wanted love but it seem like it never gonna happen. What do you desire yourself ?

Desire is rooted in value. If you wish to stop suffering, do not recognise value.

However, to do this in the pursuit of happiness is to desire, it is to recognise value; defeating the purpose entirely.

>>25859685
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedonic_treadmill

>>25859690
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>>25859752
not quite stumped: The opening statement is true in an objective sense that the negative feelings associated with unfulfilled desires dissipates along with the desire. The missing piece is that the cessation of desire must happen organically, not as a means of attaining happiness or forcing change. One must be willing to let go of attachments, but be careful its not just an attempt to suppress desire, which is a desire itself.

Much like I cannot teach you to be zen, zen is something you must discover within yourself.

Desire is the root of motivation and the only thing that gives meaning to my life is to desire things.
I don't envy people who pursue ideals or think life has a meaning, I believe it's all pointless and I can visualize clearly my desires through that thinking, and desires are what keep me moving.
When you don't desire anything you might as well die, since living would be pointless without a goal.

>>25859927
Life demands desire though, it's not just an intellectual question, not a question of being passive or assertive in the face of desire.The only organic way to cease desire is death.

I see the wisdom in this. The problem is that desire sneaks up on you like a mosquito; before you know it you're in pain and scratching yourself raw. You have to be super vigilant.

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>>25859910
I desire to not desire any more desire than I already desire and to not desire any less desire than I already desire

>>25859979

I feel this all to well, yet my whole life I have never been able to manufacture any meaning, or subscribe to any, such as religion. So before long I came to see all desire as unfulfilling distraction and mental masturbation. But what is fulfilling, I don't know. I just inhabit the existential vacuum of emptiness, but since it is empty of value, I see no value in ending my life, nor striving for material goals.

>>25860152
Try to manufacture meaning

>>25860152
instead of trying to analyze the way you feel why don't you just feel them?

>>25859690
no, learn analytical philosophy

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>>25859685
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>>25860267
look at those nihilistic who despise life so much that they want to change it.
the point is really that there is no difference, on the level of existence, between what you call daily life and what you call death and after death.

the purpose of the dhamma is to reach, BEFORE YOU DIE, a happiness that is worth it [=permanent, irremediable], and to reach this you must be resolute to reach it as an hedonist, after you gain stream entry, you still care, but less and you know that you cannot really escape the path.

your daily life has always been the same: you seek happiness through your identification of what you call your ego.self/persona with your emotions/ideas and it fails miserably, day after day, year after year. the manifestation of this failure is
-you still have pains
-you cannot avoid pains to cease
-your aversion towards pains, which turn into suffering
-you still have avidity towards pleasures
-you struggle to reach pleasures
-you struggle to keep pleasures
-you cannot avoid pleasures to cease
-you still have hate, greed, resentment which leads to both pleasures and displeasures for you, and displeasure for others

all of this stems form you taking seriously your emotions, feelings, fantasies....

kamma is just activity, or rather ''creation'', or desire of becoming as many say which is precisely your choice to identify with your hedonistic misery.. as an hedonist, and atheist hedonist, you think that your daily life differs from what you call death [and by the way, you have no certainty that you will die, yet you claim to have faith in your death] but there is no difference.

>>25860363
Supposing there is an afterlife, why should desire be necessarily eliminated there? Even if I've achieved "a happiness that is with it".

>>25860363
sounds like a bunch of hooey

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>>25860267
How can this be done, if there are no underlying principles, powers or values to base it off of? All meaning is meaningless, arbitrary, a confabulation. While acknowledge the research showing that people who have meaning in their lives are healthier and happier, seems nothing can bring me back from the awareness that all that is "me" is a product of my physical body creating the illusion of consciousness, and this body was designed for the sole purpose of procreation, like every other life form to have ever existed. Indeed some do align themselves with purpose, and find meaning in raising families. But to declare that I reject this state of non-agency governed by primitive animalistic drives, places me right into the existential vacuum. Its an absurd state (maybe absurdism is a correct word for this phenomenon.). I have no reason for getting out of bed, so I tend to lay around until I need to urinate, defecate, eat or drink. But this doesn't feel depressing, at least not the sad kind of depression, but the lazy kind, when you don't feel like working towards anything in your life and are just passing your time alive here with distractions like going for walks, watching television and shitposting on 4chan.

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>>25860363
this, but it's not like it will change their mind

>>25860581
Well, first of all you're manufacturing a meaning already, that of procreation as our design. Meaning is contrived, just as your boredom is contrived. You can choose what to believe anon

>>25860846
teach me how then. But whats to stop me from at some poying saying fuck it, enough, back to believing in nothing and doing nothing in life

>>25860945
I can't explain it very well, but try reading some Sartre. Either way, there is nothing from stopping you from saying I don't believe in anything. But because that too is a certain way of creating meaning (a choice as you will), you cannot really escape ascribing some meaning because you will always have to choose something over something else

>>25860021
Truly the ramblings of a fat asian monk.

>>25861071
I am following, and acknowledge the tendency to assign meaning and value to make sense of the world. But these are all temporary and fleeting, unlike a grand sense of self purpose you life is dedicated to.

okkk You have been muted for 2 seconds, because your comment was not original.

>>25859672
I don't even want material possessions. I want to be a particular conception of myself, though, and that seems to cause me plenty of misery.

Does happiness not come from attained desire? What else? Fucking stupid chinks.

>>25863258
>Does happiness not come from attained desire?
then why do you still desire once you have fed your desire ?