>>25842186 >give poor people money >they spend it on goods and services >this drives the economy
>give rich people money >they buy investment products >this does nothing
Meanwhile, separating commercial and retail banking seems like a sensible first step toward solving the 2008 economic crisis. Putting limits on soft money donations is sensible so you don't have a hundred senators working for the Walton family. And universal healthcare is a no-brainer, because the profit motive focuses the system on treatment instead of prevention, and for God's sake, in a modern, first world country people should be able to see a fucking doctor if they're sick, not sit home and make sure they've saved up enough bootstraps for the trip.
>>25841922 USA wealth distribution is fucked but i have a feeling that sanders, like the typical jew liberal, classifies the middle class as rich. by this i mean that he'll destroy the middle class with increased taxes to build up niggers, spics, and other ultra-poors.
You are literally a retard if you vote for Bernie. There's a reason, in every debate, he avoids answering questions and just resorts to "but BIG BUSINESS AND POLICE AND POLITICAL CORRUPTION! AND SUPER PACS! AND RACISM!". The reason is simply he knows he's full of shit and dead wrong. Last night summed up the stupidity of him and his voters. He literally got called out about lying about not wanting to raise taxes on middle class and just dances around it saying "but I'll knock down insurance prices". Yeah, dumbfucks, the prices will be down because you'll be having more taxes taken out for it (and a ton of other shit). Shit doesn't just magically become cheaper. I just love how I work with a guy who is incredibly stingy with his money, he won't even loan out a couple bucks, but he's incredibly pro-Bernie. Nigga, if you hate loaning your co-workers money to buy lunch, you're gonna hate loaning the entire country shit tons of money to buy everyone their lunches.
why is Trump, or HIllary better than Sanders? Doesn't make much sense to me, people nitpick and try to find minuscule flaws within him, yet, who else? I am scared shitless of a Hillary presidency, and I don't know much about a Trump one. I'm Canadian, I just want TPP repealed. I don't trust Trudeau, and I didn't like any of the other candidates either.
>>25842864 I'd rather pay a bit more for legal work for people who legally got the job because they deserve it more than border-hoppers who got it illegally and took it away from people who wanted to take the LEGAL path.
|>>25842832 I don't trust Trump, he gives me bad vibes. I don't give a shit about his illegals policy, I just see him as very in-genuine of a person, and all the "False/Mostly False" on his politifact page isn't helping. Sometimes he'll be asked a question about something he's said in the past, and he'll just completely deny it. He will find proof, and he will continue to deny it. You ask him a question, and he doesn't answer the question, his train of thought just gets derailed and he starts talking about something else.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/ why do Trump supporters constantly call Sanders a liar when it's very difficult for me to find evidence of Sanders being as much of a liar as people that dislike him claim to be?
Trump is like Hitler only richer, less passionate, and lazier. The elites will find a way to box him out of actually gaining the presidency anyway. The people don't really select the next president.
Bernie is a communist, and while he has smart things to say and good intentions, more socialism and higher taxes would be an insane death blow to most of the working class.
Hillary is the worst of all, a sociopathic liar, thief, and murderous kleptocrat that would turn whats left of the US into a banana republic before you knew wtf happened.
Cruz is a smarmy, weasel like shill that suckers the bible humpers by blathering about what God wants for the country incessantly while he takes Goldman Sachs bribes under the table.
Carson has proved himself to be a kook with all his bizarre religious and cultural beliefs and acts like somebody who spends every day taking Xanax.
Fiorina is just another sleazy corporate CEO with a disastrous track record of managing HP.
Chris Krispy Kreme is basically another kleptocrat and makes up for his low intelligence and poor decision making by being a mobster tier political bully. He's not above robbing pension funds from the fucking people who voted him in in his state.
Kasich and O'Malley are completely irrelevant.
Paul is smart and not corrupt but the media has blackballed his entire family and ensures he won't ever get any traction.
There are no good candidates and the country is irredeemably fucked no matter who you pick. You are literally voting for who is going to be the next teleprompter reader at this point. Woe unto the future of those that say I am full of shit.
>>25843059 >mfw I know one Bernie fan >mfw he's a skinny half-white bisexual "musician" who doesn't realize his "perfect girlfriend" is cheating on him while he's off living in a cabin in the woods Hmm. This is a weirdly accurate image
Hillary >bribed to the limit, in the pocket of super pacs >clinton dinasty >has the vagina vote >supported many wars and destabilization of ME
Bernie >Good hearth >very high increase in taxes, will scare away investment >excellent on social issues >doubtful foreign policy (supports Israel against palestina)
Trump >extravagant and pompeous >very experienced in negotiating >Close to impossible to bribe him >sounds rude and racist >alienates lefties >excellent tax plan >excellent foreign policy >against destabilization of middle east, bro's with Putin >hard on china and mexico
Trump and Bernie are the only sensible candidates, if social issues is your sole worry you should vote Bernie. If you want a candidate with a good tax plan and top tier foreign policy vote Trump.
>>25843311 The other anons are trying to tell you that a lumbersexual is a faux lumberjack manly man. A metrosexual that got tired of being feminine and decide to start playing dress up as a manly man instead by growing an old fashioned beard and mustache and buying flannel shirts.
>Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be: >37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000. >43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million. >48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.) >52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)
This isn't even as high as it was in the 70s. All the fear mongering about "B-bernie is gonna take away all your money!" is completely unfounded. He's a good candidate imho.
>>25843640 Stop funding stupid shit we dont need. Le-a doesnt need the government to finance her 14 kids. Stacy doesnt need another government funded abortion. Akunta kinte doesnt need more money for crack. If you want these things, tell your shithole state to pay for them instead of te entire country.
>NEETs uprising is an oxymoron like beta uprising. If you had the courage and intention of rising up you wouldn't be NEET.
I'm sure that's what the slave owners in Haiti thought about their slaves before they all got their throats slit.
>He still has to beat Shillary and Adolf Trump.
Trump is a /pol/ meme and the vast majority of actual reasonable people don't take him seriously. Bernie is gaining support fast, that roastie Clinton's days are numbered.
>You deserve free money and shit? I wonder how you came to that conclusion.
I did not ask to be born and our society does not offer a quick, painless, 100% effective method of death to those who don't want to live so I deserve to be fully supported for my entire life because it is not fair to force me to stay alive and not even give me the resources to live comfortably.
>Until mommy or the welfare office cuts you off.
When Bernie wins, the welfare office will be doing the exact opposite.
>Not according to literally anyone who isn't also NEET.
They matter to the people who have mandated a portion of your paycheck goes into feeding and housing me, wagecuck. :^)
>Sorry but your post was so full of delusion I had to inject some reality into it.
The only one delusional here is you. Bernie WILL win, and NEETs WILL get the representation we deserve, Have fun being on the losing side of history.
>>25843919 Eliminating the country's trillion dollar debt should be our priority now. How the fuck is Sanders going to accomplish that by raising the minimum wage and making stage college tuition free?
>>25844041 The national debt is not something that should be payed off completely in a setting of competing sovereigns. All society is based on debt, or the idea that we all owe each other a bunch of things. But a keystone that specifically entrenches powerful interest in the survival of a sovereign is if it owns debt in that sovereign. Because if the sovereign is dissolved then those debts become void. No one likes debts that other people owe them not being paid back. And powerful people A: can do something about that, and B: Won't do anything against the sovereign, lest they want to lose a lot of money.
>>25844216 This is very true. My grandfather and I have brought up a business from nothing into something very successful. Only filthy niggers and spics whine about the system abusing them because they never try and expect everything handed to them on a golden platter.
>>25842475 But building up ultra poors would take them out of poverty and add them to the tax pool. That's the thing is that if there's already a bunch of deadweight and an equal or larger amount of people with a great disposable income, why can't they pay a bit more now to help others to succeed and balance the load?
I mean, I have a brother who will bitch about taxes on his 50k salary, but when it comes down to it he has a house and a family to look after and he's still comfortably spending on beer and fast food. There are people who make much more who will complain about how the government is taking all of their money but I think in the end it will balance out. Social benefits aren't supposed to take care of people forever. It's an effort to expand mobility.
>>25843907 >I deserve to be fully supported for my entire life >NEETs WILL get the representation we deserve
You're transcendental levels of delusion and entitlement would be funny if it wasn't so sad and pathetic. You truly believe leeching off of other people your entire life is going to get you literally anywhere other than being homeless and destitute. The world of fiat currency and government handouts is already starting to crumble. I guess the only way you're going to learn is when you are forced to stand in line at soup kitchens and unemployment offices so you don't starve to death after mummy dies and can't bring you fresh hot tendies anymore.
>>25844485 I sure did. Have fun losing your job to automation because companies won't pay 15 dollars an hour for complete incompetence. Have fun causing rapid inflation in both goods and property.
>we'll just put a rent ceiling on it lololol >we'll print more money >they won't raise the prices to match inflated currency >now that retail costs have more than doubled, stores won't either raise prices or close, magic lololol
Seriously, take high school economics.
>mfw five dollar footlongs are immediately 15 dollar footlongs because retards like you can vote
people who make minimum wage often have to work long hours, commute far from home, in order to find upward mobility. that means the only viable options for feeding themselves are high starch, sugar, fatty foods that are easily prepared. these things potentially slow your brain down if you don't have omega 3s, they clog your arteries, it means you have people who can't pay for their own hospital bills.
it also means more often then not people are feeding their kids the shit, too. they're growing up on garbage, high in antibiotics, which has been proven to lead to obesity in constant, subtherapeutic doses and human growth hormones.
people who fall through the system, don't know history, don't give a shit because they don't know what's at stake, that's a failure to adapt on the level of the society and the individual.
>>25844377 I actually didn't bother researching him since he polls at almost 0% just like Jeb Bush. Nothing he said at the debates indicated he can take strong stances or productive action anyway, if you know better then don't hesitate to inform me.
>>25844400 If a business can't afford to pay their employees a living wage they don't deserve to BE in business. Let them fail. The free market will fill the void they leave. If you think so many jobs are going to be destroyed from bosses having to pay their workers 15 an hour rather than 7 that it will ruin the whole economy then you're deluded. Here's what will actually happen senpai; Pay workers more money -> they spend more money -> business do better than ever -> they can easily afford to pay the higher minimum wage (they can already fucking afford it now by the way) This isn't rocket science
>>25844603 >Have fun losing your job to automation because companies won't pay 15 dollars an hour for complete incompetence
This doesn't make any sense. That's not how a company operates in capitalism. They're not paying wageslaves what they pay them because it's reasonable, they're doing it because it's the cheapest option right now. If they could automate every position and not face major problems and have it be more profitable, the vast majority of businesses and especially large, publicly traded corporations would already have streamlined their businesses to be that efficient. They have to maximize profits for shareholders. There's no such thing as compassionate business. If it makes more money, it happens.
>he's telling somebody to take high school econ when he doesn't understand capitalism
>"The government is falling! The government is falling!"
You've got me shaking in my comfy socks (boots are for silly wagecucks who work for a living). The absolute lack of self-awareness you must possess to call me delusional and then prattle on about the imminent collapse of the welfare system is immense.
>>25844744 Possibly some of them. There are several warehouses in my city that employ lots of people, but they do it through a temp agency because it's more convenient to pay most of their workers for only a few months of the year.
>>25844603 if people remain poor, then they're going to resort to shopping at massive chain stores like Target and Walmart, which means small businesses close.
either way you're just putting a bandaid on a much larger problem.
we have tens of millions of high paying, available jobs waiting to be filled. but the catch is you need a degree in the right field. we can either not fill the positions and let them be outsourced, or subsidize funding for schooling in those fields. nobody's talking about, but that's the kind of solution that would actually help people.
>>25844828 And you think raising the cost of employing people won't affect the ammount of automation? At what point is it cheaper for the engineers to make a better peon. Protip: when the robot peon becomes more lucrative. A sandwitch artist at 7.65 is currently cheaper than sandwitchatron. Will sandwitchatron still be more expensive at 15 bucks an hour?
>>25841922 Kill yourself OP. You wanna vote for a communist Jew? Go to Israel then fag. You realize the only reason you live the lifestyle you do is because of capitalism right? Have fun in the breadline, cuck.
>>25844879 I actually agree with schooling subsidies. Just not welfare or raising minimum wage. I can already support myself with my free high school degree while going to school. So long as school is free upward mobility for everyone is possible.
>>25844901 Companies aren't completely retarded, they know they need consumers buying their products to survive. If automation starts to become such problem tjat nobody can afford to buy anything because all the jobs are taken by robots, the only solution is to raise taxes on those companies automating, and put in place something like a reverse income tax like what Nixon tried to pass in the 70s
>>25845024 His plan is to also raise taxes on middle class but he wants to institute programs to lower private debt burdens which are keeping middle class income lower. I read an analysis of all candidates reform policies and his decreases the annual deficit the most out of any candidate.
>>25844727 Ok buddy, BRICS isn't killing the petrodollar and the stock market isn't fluctuating so wildly that the economy isn't about to go full 1929 while the glut in the oil market deflates our currency before it goes into hyperinflation. NEETs know way more about economics than lifetime career economists with Phds I get my facts from. Papa Sanders and mummy are going to bring you tendies and free internet forever and the US economy is stronger than ever because Obama and Hillary said so. Silly me :^)
>>25844977 Why does that suck? Because the /pol/ hivemind doesn't like him? Don't let a chinese cartoon forum make your decisions for you. Use your own brain and make your own decisions. Watching all the debates before making up your mind is a good thing anon
>>25845099 And yet upper middle class workaholics will be. My mother works 70 hours a week in sales and based on commission makes 120k+ a year. The government takes away the incentive to work harder by stealing more money if you make more money in this class bracket.
>>25844572 >A person wrote this. Get the fuck off this board until you can learn to talk like a person. That was just pretentious undergraduate level faggotry worthy of Tumblr or the Youtube comments section. Fuck off. Seriously I cringed so hard my neck made like a turtle.
>>25845207 >they already don't >>25845183 oh god no, the whole, "first world country," thing is going belly up. saudi arabia, iran, they fall apart, we end up with ISIS blaming america for everything, we're going to end up with another war. And I'd rather have a humanitarian socialist than re-experience some rich, conceited asshole who's okay with torturing people and shitting all over everything our country represents. if that means the economy takes a hit, oh well. here's to the great leap forward.
>>25841922 You realize people like him are why r9k exists right? Their pandering to feminists and "inequality" is the reason why 600 pound land whales won't even look at you unless your a Chad Thundercock. A vote for Sanders is a vote for your own loneliness.
>>25845314 >I am socially conservative yet financially left-wing
I know that feel, but I think the economics are more important. And I don't think the government has any control over social movements for the most part, shit like black lives matter and the LGBT movement. They show favor to win influence and that's fine, but regardless of how you'd feel about something like that or about progressives, there's no way to make it all go away without an equally powerful counter movement.
I've going to vote for Sanders in the primary and in the November election if he's nominated. He's solid in his stances and seems like he try to strive for utopia. Which is okay because I would rather government try to improve conditions and make it halfway there than sit around and accomplish nothing because "it's not fair".
>>25841922 I'm just not voting. Bernie is a cuck that is easily intimidated by groups like Black Lives Matter, while Trump is all about money and segregation. Trump is funny and he says all the things a lot politicians refuse to say out of fear, but I wouldn't vote for the guy. I don't want to be a part of this. It was the same case with Obama vs. Romney.
>>25845507 >I'm a huge faggot that is too scared to figure out what issues are important to me >instead of doing any kind of research I'm just going to sit back and do nothing >then I'll complain about how things are for the next four years
>>25845443 If the government builds a road allowing access to the property it increases in value. If they build a school nearby its value increases. If they protect it from someone who starts using it without the owners permission its value increases.
Do you really think Sanders cares about you? To him you're just goyim, i.e. less than human. And do you really think his wealth redistribution schemes will happen along class lines? You're all fucking idiots if you think that's gonna happen. If anything it'll happen along racial lines like it already is - more of your taxes for black and Mexican welfare.
>>25846217 This is why the middle class is constantly cucked in this country. We've all been deluded into thinking that some day we'll all be millionaires too, just so long as we try our hardest and pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, etc. Nothing that actually helps the working class ever gets passed due to this delusional mentality. We are literally the laughing stock of the first world in terms of standard of living
>>25846212 Yes it is, I think middle class refers to type of position not directly related to income. Doctors, lawyers, and small business owners are traditionally middle class positions and household incomes of these types of people can reach 500k and still be middle class. I support raising taxes on these people because we desperately need to increase revenue to spend on infrastructure, education and healthcare.
The largest benefit to middle class and poor people will not be tax relief but private debt relief. About 66% of middle class income goes towards taxes and debt payments, roughly equally divided. If we can lower the amount people spend on debt we can increase taxes and simultaneously increase household revenue.
none of the financial security means a DAMN thing if the principles we stand for are betrayed. you fags want to talk about economic security, what about brand recognition? i don't want to be a part of the evil empire.
I don't think I've ever heard someone say you can become a millionaire if you work hard enough. Getting rich is a mix of intelligence, networking and a lot of luck. But literally anybody can be middle class if they don't fuck themselves over before reaching there (take on huge debt, have children, get addicted, etc.)
>>25846394 >if you want to live in a country with functioning infrastructure and beneficial social programs you need to fucking pay for them That's never gonna happen. The US spends the most on healthcare per capita in the world and has the best technology available. Yet it has a disproportionately unhealthy population. Universal healthcare would be ridiculously expensive.
And then there's Shaniqua and her 5 fatherless little future criminals. Welfare takes the biggest slice of the pie.
And then there's tax havens. By far the most damaging factor of all. 21 TRILLION hoarded in off-shore tax havens. And that is just an estimate my the TJN.
>>25846770 The reason America spends so much on healthcare because we're too stubborn to adopt a single payer system in the first place. Universal healthcare is actually the cheaper option, and there are tons of Nordic and European countries to look to as real life examples
>>25845931 Why would anyone engage you? You're just trying to prove how clever you are by a "turn of phrase" and that's some fedora shit. This is 4chan, you're anonymous, talk straight for fuck's sake.
>>25847370 Why should I bother talking straight? When I formulate genuine reasoned posts they immediately get dismissed with "Stopped reading here" or "I'm not going to write a reasoned counterargument so I'll just call you a retard and post anime images instead" or "kill yourself." So I'm just going to shitpost and prove how clever I am with a turn of phrase like everyone else here instead because that's the level everyone wants to communicate at apparently.
Trump understands economics and business better than anyone running, as he has worked and created jobs and industry world wide.
Trump wants options for healthcare for the poor, but not at he expense of American's freedom.
Trump wants to create jobs- by enticing business partners to come back to the USA. This alone will create much more tax revenue then taxing the few still here making more leave, ending more jobs (like Sanders and to an extent Hillary will do).
Trump wants to deport illegals, not just from Mexico, and make borders secured so American business is unable to cheap out by hiring illegals under the table. He plans on fining them if they do. At the same time, it will free up our prison system where in some states 30-40% are illegal immigrants. This will also free up some taxes.
Trumps tax plan is easy, and great for the poor. If you dont make much, you will be very happy with it. Its available on his website.
Trump isnt afraid to call a cow a cow. Muslim immigrants behead cartoonists, beheaded vets in Britain, rape and molest in Germany and sweden (so much so the media has been denying it, but can no longer. Wikileaks has been a great source on this).
Both the GOP and DNC hate him as he is not bought or sold by big money, but is the big money, and will do what he wants- and that is whats best for america, not saudi partners and banks.
Those who think he is a racist liar should look up his policies, and watch a debate or rally, and see how everything is taken out of context by a media owned by those same entities giving money to Hillary and Jeb, etc. Of course, they wont, because believing clickbait headlines for e-cookies is an easier position to drink the soma from.
>>25847736 Because how would we pay those private companies? Through a community effort to raise funds? Would we have some elected body of our peers who would negotiate the contract, plan the development, and disburse said funds? What if there are people who will use the road but don't want to pay, should some of our peers punish these people?
>>25849055 >that image Bernie never said any bullshit like that. Bernie usually complains about the lack of social mobility, which is the exact opposite of what your image portrays. America isn't making ENOUGH people rich, and the few who manage to get rich don't pay their fair share in taxes.
>>25849145 I was just replying to that poster who mentioned the TPP. Bernie is like a low-energy Trump who doesnt understand business. Watching the debate last night, its hilarious how often he said the exact same thing Trump has said before.
Trump is barely a Republican. He is more of a moderate, except on issues of illegal immigration. Which he has a good point- we have laws, in place. if you break them, why shouldnt you be punished the same way any other laws work? And its not about lack of empathy- its a numbers game.
But beyond that, they mention very similar positions. Off the top of my head, things that stood out as similar: >war with Iraq was stupid, should have spent it on infrastructure >why is world police our issue? Leave it to The Kurds Russians etc >why not try to work on relations with Iran >all the other party members are bought and sold by special interest groups
And from their website, both are pro-weed (Trump at state level, has mentioned just legalizing and taxing the shit out of for more tax revenue, and Sanders for Federal level) and want to end Obama care to 'put something better' in place.
oh a "fair share" is anything the almighty and virtuous federal government says. the federal government should be able to come up with a completely arbitrary tax rate for people who make an arbitrary amount of money.
>>25848701 Because respect is earned Anon, I'm not going to provide it freely to spergs that dismiss genuine reasoned posts I make with petty ad hominem then turn around and accuse me of the same thing. And don't seriously act like any of you have any respect for this board or the people on it, I've been watching 4chan just get shittier, more entitled, and more immature than ever before since 2008.
You're like those muslims in Germany, "Respect our culture by allowing us to rape you or you're a racist waahhhh!"
>>25842839 >Its bigoted to be mad that Muslims kill people in terrorists attacks >Its bigoted to be mad that African Americans commit more violent crimes (assault, murder) than any other race per 10k >its bigoted to be mad that our taxes pay for illegal immigrants in our prison systems (30-40% in some states like CA, potentially more as they mark hispanics as 'white' often)
>>25842078 >Wants to tax Wall Street and big business while cutting taxes for middle class and those in poverty >Making rich richer I swear people actually make stuff up in their heads and have the hardest cognitive dissonance possible when it comes to understanding politics.
>>25849494 >nobody here is going to put forth effort to "earn" your respect.
I never said anyone had to and you're the one who brought up not respecting the board or the posters. You should stop posting. Really. Your double standards and lack of self-awareness towards your hypocrisy is tiresome.
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