>he believes laws really exist

Courts and judges exist and will impose it, so the rule of law therefore exists.

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Try robbing a store and see what happens

>>25695727
>implying
Because judges definitely follow what the "law" says.

>>25695740
You're missing the point. It's not that laws exist, it's just that the state wants to keep people behaving like they want.

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But laws DO exist

>mfw

>>25695820
It depends on who's breaking them.

>>25695795
>muh philosophy
That's the definition of a law

Physics wouldnt function without laws.

dude just be yourself and don't care about any laws or rules go take what you want man nothing can happen if you just put your fingers in your ears and say YOU CAN'T ARREST ME REEEEEEEE LAWS ARE JUST MADE UP WHAT IS LIFEEE

>ITT: nothing exists maaan so law doesn't exist either maaaaaaan

This discussion will go nowhere

>>25695852
With or without laws, good luck fighting guys with guns.

>>25695856
OK, real talk. If Obama blatantly broke the law (like vetoed a bill, but even after a 2/3 majority of congress reinstated the bill, declared that it was void), what would happen? If a police man shot some kid on the street for littering, but he vandalized his school 3 years earlier, would that officer be prosecuted?

There. Discussion.

>>25695889
im not afraid lol ive got an authentic Japanese Katana folded over 1000 times and i've watched plenty of youtube videos of overweight fucktards close that gap before the filthy dumb gunslinger scum could draw am i right?

>>25695939
Obama has broken the law and he's still there

>>25695953
Do you quarrel sir? *unseaths rapier*

>>25695977
When did he break the law?

>>25695980
im already behind you kid...nothing personnel..it's just revenge

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>>25696008
>nothing personnel
How is that not OC?

>>25695980
Quarrel sir! no, sir.

How can laws be real if our eyes aren't real

>>25696025
idk senpai desu but when you're this good at the art of the Japanese Sword you don't have to be OC tbqh

>>25696071
Eyes are tangible.

>>25696082
>implying it's an art and not a law.

>>25695841
Then theres THIS faggt.

>>25696130
nice thanks im going to put that in my book of original quotes, i'll credit you senpai

>>25696210
Thanks. I'll put you in my burn book.

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>>25695599
No i don't, don't jump to assumptions about me you anime faggot

>>25696226
nice i hope you put "pretty ok guy" under my name haha thanks friend

Slap a guy's and see if he won't beat/rape you.

They are just words on paper, keep preachin anime

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>>25696231

>he believes the english language really exists

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>>25696278
Do eye?

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>>25696303
Eeew, dew

>>25696278
>language
Nothing but a way to communicate. I cn tlk 2 u liek dis, but even though it isn't "English," you still understand it.

>>25695795
All you did was define what a law was and then said that laws no longer exist.

Learn semantics before making another shitty argument. Arguments that rely on the definitions of words are retarded, and completely pointless.

>>25696326
If language is real, why cant' i touch it?

Fuck off Jaden niggers aren't welcome in this neighborhood.

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>>25696325
No! You don't know shit!

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haha if we had no laws we'd be much further in society am i right guys like religion ugh why religion exist 2016 am i right??? haha

>>25695939>>25695939
Obama can't just declare a law as "void" if Congress passes it.

And shooting someone on sight unprovoked is not legal either. Though the cop will certainly make up some bs to get out of it.

Discussion done

>>25696349
Yes i do, and he likes to be called shitty

>>25696347
Now you've encountered the core problem of materialists.

This thread reminds me of old /b/

Uber, simply uber

>>25695599
Just remember Anon.

If nobody saw it, it didn't happen.

>he thinks trees make sounds when falling in forests

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>>25695599
There is but one law, do what thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.

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Has to be one of the dumbest threads on /r9k/. I'm going to fucking RAPE op.

>>25696504
Fuck your law, i'm going to do what everybody tells me, faggot

>>25696535
>he thinks threads really exist

>>25696535
how can you rape what you can't see?????

>>25696383
How does law exist when it only applies to certain people?

>>25696559
By shoving your dick in it

>>25696366
But... Religion is based off of made up philosophies too.

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>it's a social contruct so it doesn't really exist

please wire me all your fiduciary money

>>25695599
Well spooked, my friend!

>>25696582
Because laws are guidelines for a society to function properly. You're not compelled to listen to them but people do under threat of punishment.

>>25696620
No, it doesn't exist because you can't touch it.

>>25696537
That's what thou wilt, though.

>>25696662
You can;t prove any of this shit.

>>25695852
>I'm a free inhabitant
>Read the Articles of Confederation
Articles of Confederation were replaced with the Constitution March 4, 1789. US police are being trained how to deal with these idiots because some of our cops are that stupid.

>>25696662
But you also understand that laws can be broken without punishment and vice versa, correct?

actual practicing lawyer here. I'm lmao'ing at OP's thread and some of the replies. Laws exist. Law, by default, is probably the only thing that a man has created, yet untouched. There are no other animals that can replicate such a complex system as the law created by man. Just because you got fucked by your legal system it doesn't mean that its just in peoples minds and it isnt real. Yes, you cant "touch" it, but yet you follow it and you will follow it.

Also, if you didn't know, legal systems, methods, principles and legislature are interpreted very differently between YUROP and the US. I could elaborate even more, but its pretty boring. In the end, law is bullshit, but it pays well and it exercises the mind. I believe this boards lurkers might like my line of work. For robots out there who dont know where to major (and being shit at STEM) - go law. Specifically - tax law or criminal law.

>>25696694
Not really, i'm just doing it to prove a nonexistent point, without any reward or satisfaction.

>>25696711
Nice lack of proof of the existence of laws. Typical lawyery shit.

>nb4 excerpts of written laws

You have no proof they're actual laws.

>>25696711
Law is like a business. It's just empty words to make deals or threats.

>>25696711
I like how you think the everyday /r9k/ user is so retarded that he doesn't know there are different laws in different countries

>>25696729
what proof are we looking for here? like a piece of paper that says "yea laws r real senpai" or...

>>25695599
Jump and Fly up into the air naked.
U can't.
Laws of physics baby.

>>25696789
>implying I couldn't find a way

>>25695599
laws don't have to exist

it's force that exists

>>25696810
And that's the point I'm getting at.

>>25696504
Nice edgy allister pic

>>25696789
Can you prove it's the laws of physics preventing you?

>>25696711

This is a fine demonstration that social constructions, contrary to assumptions commonly made, do have concrete consequences.
It also shows the mutability of these constructs, that a law can be relatively easily repealed, and yet the new law only just created still has force behind it.
Likewise nationality, economy, society itself.

Today's lesson for robots: "If you must break the law, do it to seize power, in all other cases observe it."

>>25696717
And that's what thou wilt.

>>25696729
you need proof? look at yourself and around you. Look at the government of your country. What controls them? What makes a man behave rationally? Why do we make deals? Why is there a certain speed limiter in your city? Who the fuck doesn't let you exceed it? Why does the police exist and try to stop you every time you actually try to go out above the speed limit? Law is real and it exists pretty much everywhere. You are following it right now. Believe it or not, but the internet also has its own laws.

>>25696746
law can be both. I used to think that its just a bunch of crooked assholes and jews making contracts and screwing everybody around. Not really though. In criminal law, lawyers are probably one of the most sophisticated people out there, they just get shit on, because they believe in their client and defend him up until you can't appeal.
>inb4 its for money
>lawyers actually can work for free (bona fide)
>if your client is too poor, you can actually work for free or make the state pay his fees

its simple and it works.

>>25696775
i think OP doesnt understand that there are different legal systems, because he doesnt believe in law at all. What other proof you need? There are countries that give you jail time for speaking out against your own government, while doing the same thing in another country is completely decriminalized. That alone shows that a thing like "law" actually exists. Sure, it has an element of faith in it too. You have to believe in some virtues etc..

>>25696851
What if i'm paralyzed, and remotely controlled by other people through robotic implants?

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>>25696851
This is uu

>>25696873
It's a joke, you fucking moron

>>25695833
>muh anti-philosophy philosophy

>>25696874
Then you're not doing anything.

>>25696873
>why do you do x
Cause you'll get shot if you don't. There's no law saying don't peg a lion, but you still follow it.

>>25696999
>peg
Meant to say "pet," but the logic still applies.

>>25696973
What if i'm accidentally doing something? I don't wanna do it, i'm just clumsy?

>>25697032
Then you're not doing it intentionally. You could still argue doing anything at all.

>>25696902
>muh wrong philosophy

>>25696999
you will get sanctioned, not shot. If you act like an ape, you will get treated like one. If you are a threat to anyone, you are going to be observed and/or isolated, how it should be. A modern person should know how to behave in a modern society.

also, "don't pet a lion" can go a long way. Traditions, principles are a form of law. Example: a man is innocent until proven otherwise. Its not a "real" law everywhere. Its not written, discussed outside of courts and/or reported everywhere, but people have followed it for ages and still do. Traditions and principles help build a strong legal system. Also, through experience. If you kill a man, the country you are living in want to make sure that you don't want to do that again and put you in a jail for a certain time, if you are released and immediately kill another person, you will be treated harsher. Same can go with your lions analogy. You dont pet it, but somebody might be stupid enough to do so, and when he pets it, he gets fucking owned by a lion. If he somehow miraculously survives the lion encounter, theres a small chance he will try to pet it again (because of his previous experience), otherwise, if he tries that again, he might not be so lucky again.

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>>25697138
>there are people this autistic RIGHT NOW

>>25697060
No, i couldn't argue that.

>>25695599
laws are the only thing that separates humans from niggers.

i refuse to accept the reality though. it seems only those who don't follow the laws strictly are the ones that move ahead

as i grow older i get more and more depressed, as the realization that good guys only win at the movies

heil hitler

>>25697223
Ouch. I'm bleeding externally from the edge.

BTW, this is against global law #3. :^)

>>25697221
You'd better not. You'd lose that argument.

>>25697360
I meant i couldn't argue that it's not my doing. It's obviously still my doing, just not my intention.

>>25697592
But are you DOING it, or is it just happening?

>>25695599
>he believes anything besides cogito and what follows from cogito exists
Oh wow I bet you also believe in faeries and unicorns.

>>25697211
he was right though. You're the autistic one, posting all that degenerate animu shit.

>>25697680
I'm doing it, it's not just happening.

>>25697824
No, it's basically saying, "Do what I want or I kill you."

Bump for no laws.

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FUCK THE SYSTEM

BETA UPRISING NOW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJt7gNi3Nr4

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>>25695599
>fedoranarchists
jesus christ anything but you cretin 15 years old fucks

Laws only exist to fuck me. Bad guys rarely get caught and jews can jew without punishment. They literally only exist to keep the average wageslave in fear.

>>25698601
Anarchists =/= >>25698589

>>25698733
Not to mention, sometimes innocent people are sometimes prosecuted, and whether or not a law was broken, as long as there's enough suspicion, you could be screwed.

One more philosophical bump

>>25695599
How can mirrors b reel if our eyes aren't real

>>25699385
Can you provide evidence that they're not?

>>25695599
>Newton's law of universal gravitation is nothing but fiction

Wew you sure outdid yourself this time senpai

>>25699467
There was once a law that the sun revolved around the earth. Gtfo.

>>25695939
Well, that depends. Is the kid black?

>>25699539
>The Geocentric model was never considered a "law" is was just the cosmical model accepted at the time.

>Even then it was always questioned all the time and it was only religious fags that wouldn't have it any other way.

It's like you are 12 and do nothing but masturbate and watch indonesian puppet shows all day senpai

>Philosophy

You are wasting your time with things that serve no porpuse senpai.

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>pass law to make bad thing illegal
>good people don't do bad things to begin with, so the law is useless
>bad people just ignore the law anyways, so the law is useless

why is the law there?

>>25699717
To define mutually agreed punishments, and specify which actions merit them.

>>25699717
So that you can punish the bad people without arbitrarily sentencing them to whatever for whatever
Basically to help distinguish the line between "okay" and "not okay"

>>25699717
To incarcerate people the system doesn't like or just blatantly fill their private owned prisons under the pretence of breaking the law.

You should leave the basemant and go outside from time to time.

http://www.constitution.org/cmt/avd/law_con.htm
start with this

then find Lord Bingham's Rule of Law, it's a super light document

tldr law should rule society

>implying laws dictate what's "good" or "bad"

>>25699802
>going into society, where the state has its strongholds
Yeah, no.

>>25699851
>we need the state to put a gun to our head and tell us to behave

>>25696711
>tax law
>criminal law

don't listen to this retard. International commerce, maritime law and insurance or corporate finance, do it while we're still riding the oil tidal wave. It'll be impossible in 30 years to do anything here.

>>25699706
>only religious fags
Do you even understand history? Where are your sources?

>>25699907
how about you read the fucking thing instead of shitflinging like a chimp and maybe gain something out of this board that's not ass cancer

>>25699945
>puts in a tl;dr
>gets mad at me for not reading the 2,000 page document
What?

>>25699763
And to keep the consequences reasonable as opposed to just making them up on the spot.

>>25699922
Where are yours?

yada yada

>>25699802
Who is "the system"?

>>25699975
except law ruling society is not bending over to big brother government, but in fact the opposite - that law should constrain the acts of the government, against dictatorships, oligarchies, kings

how can one person be THIS >>25699717 fucking dumb?

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>>25700009
>life in prison for weed
>reasonable

>>25699907
Yes thanks to the complete and utter failure of every politician in the history of the earth, I keep a special branding iron for the slaves I have shackled outside my palatial warlord compound. Its a shame I have no government subsidized or regulated health insurance if I should injure myself while shooting neighbors with my personal howitzers. And don't get me started on how theres no financial oversight regulating the monopoly I hold on the leeches everyone uses to purge the impure phlogiston out of our bloodstreams when we get sick. On a related note, one of my slave-wives prattled on something about a 'right to vote' the other night as I was torturing her for my own amusement. Hah! Women voting. Just kidding, voting in general, implying we have a democracy LOL! I pass my own laws because I own the most guns!

>>25700048
There was a thread yesterday where we discussed how there's more oppression in a democracy than in a monarchy. When a monarch screws up, the people revolt. When a government screws up, the people vote differently (sometimes).

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>>25700079
>DUDE WEED LMAO
fucking normie scum, get the fuck out

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Is this your first philosophy class?

The law is a social construct, no different then the idea of ownership, race, or gender. The idea behind the law is to manage society and decrease behaviors we find unacceptable (like dogfighting or rape).

To say the law doesn't exist would be like saying that ownership doesn't exist, parents don't exist or morals don't exist. It is an abstract idea, not a thing. There is no barriers physically stopping you from breaking the law, like there are no barriers physically stopping parents from denying their kids.

In short, you are a retard and a first year philosophy student, instead of asking "why" you should be asking "you want fries with that?"

>>25696366
Where are you going with that?

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>>25700140
But morals don't exist.

>>25700079
Anyone who has a long enough record or is smuggling enough pot to get a life sentence was not a stoner in their mom's basement.

And get off the weed kick you high school drop out. Pot stopped being cool in the 70's now it just makes you retarded and poor.

>>25700042
Is just the name that oligarchs have given to the set of "rules" they have imposed to the general population.

>>25696199
De Finite Ly

someone needs their adderall

>>25700167
But you see my point. Just because a guy with a gun decides that's what's best doesn't mean it's what everyone decided, and even if everyone decided that all men are rapists and should be watched over with security guards, that doesn't mean it would be right.

>>25700165
>something isn't physical
>it doesn't exist

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is a social construct. By your definition, intellectual property doesn't exist. By that definition Social norms don't exist. By that definition your autism doesn't exist

>>25696559
If you rape (OP) in a forest but nobody is there to hear it, did it really exist?

>>25700009
>female pedophiles spend the weekend in prison or get a small fine
>male pedophiles get the death sentence
le system werks! face

>>25700204
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with that.

>>25700241
Except that is bullshit, you read s few red pill bullshit threads about how easy life is for women. Most women get a little time off, but many of them still do at least 3 years, (keep in mind the average time for a rapist is 5 years)

>>25700140
Ownership doesnt exist. neither laws, race is adaptation and gender is true in some biology

>>25700248
Then why aren't you Anarchist yet? We've established that laws are here for the state to establish dominance and claim they're "protecting us." They're pissing in our fruit loops to get us to eat their policeman crunch.

>>25700308
>average time for a rapist is 5 years
You're talking about a 1st degree felony. Minimum is 15 years, but good try, though.

>>25699717
Hour can you know you're good unless you define it?

>>25700428
Put a gun to someone's head. OHWAIT!

>>25700360
Buddy you must be a new kind of stupid.

There are many degrees and types of rape.

>aggrivated
>stat
>force/fear
>drugging
>w/ a deadly weapon
>sexual assault
>forced penetration with a foreign object

Not all of them carry the same amount of time. Stat can get you probation while aggrivated rape can get you life.

Source: Criminal Justice student about to graduate.

If it was up to me rapists should get min of life in prison.

>>25700335
Even anarchy's will have their laws, especially if a powerful group of people can exert their will upon you. "The system" isn't perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better than a lawless wasteland.

>>25700446
OK, are you just trying to be edgy now? Are you going to say that black people don't deserve rights either?

>>25700482
What the fuck? How did you even get that from what I said?

Buddy you need glasses

>>25700452
>having to heil the police everyday is better than just living life, making your own money and just being peaceful with each other
Yeah. OK.

>>25700502
Because you're trying your hardest to look like a badass, but you're just looking autistic.

>>25700335
>anarchy

Hahahahahshahshahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy shit, teenager detected! That shit doesn't work asshole. Here is how your little anarchy fantasy would play out for you.

>try to hunt/gather since grocery stores don't work without anti-theft laws
>on the way get a tasty peice of bushmeat
>Chad takes it since he is bigger than you.
>Chad shoves your head in a toilet for being a retard
>Chad beats you up since there is no law against it
>no ownership means he gets your house because he is bigger

>>25700572
Autistic manlet detected! Hurrhuehahoof

>>25700518
>just being peaceful with each other
If you honestly believe this you are incredibly naive. We wouldn't need laws if everyone was a good person. Even with laws bad things happen, so why would getting rid of laws and law enforcement make everyone a good person?

>>25700614
Because the bad people are the one "enforcing" these laws. (I.e. protecting interest groups)

>>25700632
What if I come over to your house and successfully murder your family, am I a bad person?

>>25700655
>muh murder your family strategy
Seriously, why do statists always resort to this? Police murder unarmed families all the time. Does that make them bad people?

>>25699911
you're an even bigger retard mate. Everyone already went there. Theres no market for lawyers to specialize in oil, insurance and especially in commerce, because of nepotism and the fact that literally every college cuck lawyer rushes there. Criminal law will exist and will make money simply because of apes in our society. Also - international law + civil law = masterrace. There arent many lawyers in there because of zero popularity and there are some serious gough to be found there for signing international contracts and shit. Bottom line, dont try to enter any "law", which largely involves economics and finance.

>>25701033
>there's no market for lawyers to specialise in law, insurance and commerce

are you serious

i'm not talking crude oil, i'm talking all the oils in the world, fucking palm oil, coconut oil, peanut oil, fucking your mom's ass oil. There's big talks heating up about toppling the English dominance and revisiting the Vienna convention with problems of receipt re-addressed, meaning huge market shift and the centre of arbitration moving from London to HK or NYC. Also lol, going into criminal law because of chimping out, yeah there's gonna be work but it's fucking peanuts unless you're big time, and we all know someone browsing /r9k/ isn't big time or ever gonna become big time. For every single millionaire there's 500 thousand others pinching for legal aid doing work for hobos. "Signing international contracts"... Fucking Americans. We're not making custom contracts, we're creating more standardised contracts to avoid that, if you want your own contract you go inhouse or hire big names.

>>25700329
>Ownership doesnt exist
I wonder what would you say if someone took something that's "yours"

>>25700212
Except he's right according to what you wrote. If morality is just
>behaviors we find unacceptable
then you have a subjective morality. If it's based on groups of people, any and all behaviors deemed (un)
cceptable can change, and this makes morals a matter of opinion which means they essentially don't exist.