Enough with the feels... lets talk about something else.
Do you do any drawing?
What's better, mouse or tablet?
Share your drawings and doodles
I've always been shitty at drawing and painting due to two mini-Stacies mocking the way I painted back at the first grade. But I'd like to pick up the habit now. How do I start, artbots? I'd like to use pencil in the beggining, if possible.
> Have absolutely no aspiration or motivation.
> See countless "How to draw manga girls" videos (Inb4: faggot lol)
> I read a lot of manga and I'm a sucker for art, so I thought that I'd try it out
> Complete and utter failure, looks like fucking shit.
> Read, that you can't get better at drawing and that it's all talent. Either you're born with it or not.
> Mfw I got no talents.
>> Read, that you can't get better at drawing and that it's all talent. Either you're born with it or not.
Really shitty bait.
I mean, that's true. Talent is undeniable. But your shitty bait will work and you'll attract the 'practice is everything' retards.
>draw all the time
>I'd wager to say 12 hours a week
At least it helps me cope with feelings of intense rage and sadness
you don't suck because two little girls made fun of you you suck because you don't fucking practice
Take your first drawing and compare it with one after one month or more or less regular drawing. It'll be an improvement I promise it. Of course there will always be a 6 year old asian, that's better than you will ever be. But that's just the way it is.
>talent doesn't mean shit it's about mileage
>after one month or more or less regular drawing
You really do come out of the woodwork, don't you.
/r9k/ is getting shittier by the thread.
then fucking practice anon and stop making shitty excuses on a mongolian fermented apple juice forum
>Enough with the feels... lets talk about something else.
>Do you do any drawing?
I'm not 'making excuses', you delusional retards.
I am pointing out your viciously anti-scientific mindset whereby you refuse to relate achievement, such as artistic achievement, to talent (nature), literally censoring certain findings, because you want people to 'try their best' and you pretend that stating that talent is not everything is 'excuses'/'cowardice'/'laziness'/...
You literally sicken me.
"Just practice" is the drawing equivalent of "just be yourself". It doesn't fucking work when you have zero skill and zero ability to learn due to mental deficiencies.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make anymore but if talent is anything it's a drive to improve your art. You obviously lack that so I guess you're right then, anon.
Pen / pencil initially to get the fundamentals down then move to digital later.
There is almost nothing that throws normalfags into defensive panic more than mentions that something might be genetically determined. 'Lazy', 'coward', 'excuses', literal insults, will flow.
Some people are going to be naturally more suited to some things.
Rimsky-Korsakov was a Russian composer who had synesthesia so he could see musical notes as colors. But you don't have to be able to see musical notes as colors inorder to be a composer
There's probably a room full of full-on autists at the NSA full of people who are better programmers than I'll ever be, but autism isn't a prerequisite for becoming a programmer.
>He's a fucking giant.
Yeah, MJ originally wanted to play baseball, but he found his frame better suited to playing basketball. But there are basketball players of all sizes. You don't even have to be a nignog to play basketball.
But mostly it is about practice. Everyone who was ever good at anything put in a shitload of practice. Talent, or natural aptitude does exist, but it comes out in the wash, because even those with 'talent' have to practice for like 10 years to become the best. Even 15 year old chess grand masters started playing chess when they were 5-6 years old.
So if you're not doing something that you're interested in because you don't believe you have talent, then your'e a faggot. There are people who paint better than I can using only their feet or mouth.
>mostly it is about practice
This is meaningless.
Why does LITERALLY NO ONE on /r9k/ understand the simple concept of prediction?
I never met another person on here who also saw that 'x (talent, intelligence, genes) doesn't matter unless you practice' is literally devoid of meaning. And it is so easy to see.
>why can't people agree with my stupid wrong opinion?
>never be artistic growing up
>Decide to try out drawing
>just do simple 5-step landscape tutorials
>fill in the rest with other crap
It's a shitty drawing, but still pretty cool to make it out of simple techniques
(Saying 'x is mostly about practice/motivation/effort/dedication/trying/another fucking synonym/...' is literally saying 'x is mostly about doing things that result in x'. It is useless, it is worthless, it is trash.)
Anyone. Anyone. Just ONE person who sees this. Please.
I can't handle fedora tipping, this ignorant.
Anyone CAN technically force themselves to be good at a skill, but there's no real joy in that, most untalented people will either not do the thing or do it poorly and delude themselves into thinking they're good.
And there are sons of bitches who just ake to a skill instantly.
Practice functions as an effect of the learning curve, making it steeper or shallower.
You are sperging a little and throwing off the direction of the thread though.
well of course i wont be able to draw it because i cant draw for shit.
you on the other hand obviously can, yet feel the need to act like some facebook slut and say 'omg im so bad at drawing' so that people will respond to you and say your drawing is good, thus giving you the validation that your parents never gave.
>expanding their horizons outside of big titty animu girls posing in the void
It's more than that, the style changed and literally became reddit tier "haters gonna hate" crap. I can smell the feminist vibes coming from it, just like all the other drawings on tumblr where they give everyone a stupid red nose for some reason. It's insidious and it's fucking tragic to see that it infected someone who had talent for drawing anime girls. The
I've always liked drawing, I just can't seem to get motivated to get better though. plus I can't draw straight lines for shit. my hands shake like someone with parkinson's.
>Anyone. Anyone. Just ONE person who sees this. Please.
In a (hopeless, hopeless, hopeless!!!) attempt to make someone, just one person, understand:
'You can do it, you just need to try' is literally patching an empirical relationship with filler preconditions. A sane person conceives of a typical person, their typical circumstances, upbringing, schooling, living situation, genes, and concludes whether they are going to be a good, say, drawer, in, say, ten years. And says, 'considering the conditions given, prolly not'. And then the motivating retards come as they must, must, must, and say, 'no that's not true you lazy piece of shit, of course you can become an artist, you just need to...', and proceed to undo the relationship out of meaning completely, because it is blown with the vacuous, tautological (yes, this word is fucking unavoidable) non-predictive 'you can do it as long as you make the effort required'. Which is platitudinal -- because the relationship stops having predictive content -- because what should be the predicted end (WHETHER I am going to practice) becomes the predicting end (GIVEN I am going to practice). When a scientific relationship begins to rely on conditions that are desirable in the first place ('you will succeed, you just need to ensure that you succeed'), it stops being scientific. It is only a relationship in name. Which is why it's worthless.
Thread over thread over thread, year over year over year... No one ever gets this.
Please. Just one person. I know I am going to be called retarded coward, autist, and so on. And I know I don't *need* to be understood by anyone. But hope... feels good.
>You are sperging a little and throwing off the direction of the thread though.
True. Thank you. Sorry.
Except the only drawing I did was the previous landscape tutorials on that site I linked you.
Seriously, that sketch I showed is just a collection of the simple methods I had just learned from the previous steps.
Seriously, the first lesson was a wheat field and look at this shitty shit
Just try it, it takes 10 minutes
Don't draw as much as I should be.
>What's better, mouse or tablet?
Charcoal or pencil.
i like to doodle little cartoon stuff. i'm not great but its not like i share my work with anyone. this is actually the first doodle I've saved in a long time.
I've never tried to draw before, not since I was in preschool anyway. Drew this from memory in ms paint. Do I show any promise, senpai?
Talent and likeliness to develop a certain skill is genetic, and I don't have the genes for it. I've always wanted to draw, but I'll never be able to do it well. That's life, though.
>because what should be the predicted end (WHETHER I am going to practice) becomes the predicting end (GIVEN I am going to practice)
So being good at things is all about practice, is what you're saying... Glad to see that you agree with what everyone has been saying all along.
Come on, senpai.
Where's my ego stroking? All this effort is wasted now.
See this is exactly what I mean, it's generic as fuck and looks like every other snowflake faggot on tumblr. Why do you fuckers draw the noses red and weird like that? WHY? Develop your own style for fucks sake instead of just copying the feminist hivemind
It's fine and even cute, you just are a little faggot and everybody's been so incensed that anyone who posts in this thread from here on out will be eviscerated by pissed off robots.
Nice meme. I remember picking up the pencil when I came out of the womb and 'just getting it'.
It's not in your genes.
not as much, since I can rest my wrist. I have a tablet I inherited from my sister when she got a new one, I've used it. it's better since I can just try and try again to get a straight line, but that's frustrating too.
>All that's wasted in your talent, on this representational tripe.
I don't think you know what studying means. I would not have talent without this.
This thread, poor OP.
I appreciate the effort. Obviously you don't have it right at the start. The genetic part is how well you're able to pick it up.
I wanted to be an artist then real life hit me like a ton of bricks
Sorry, my bad. Now I recall it. Right around the time I got my first boner I just instantly knew how to draw naked girls.
It's kind of strange how this drawing gene which was probably crucial for survival kicked in around puberty for me. Makes me sad I wasted all those years pretending to develop my skill. Should have got my DNA tested earlier.
Where do you see the word "acquiring"?
Books, vidoes, practice practice practice.
Talent is innate by definition.
As for the rest of your 'reasoning', it's clear that you aren't even bothered by embarrassing yourself. So it's okay, I guess. Because I don't believe that someone could be as statistically illiterate as you otherwise.
You seem to have an innate talent for shitposting and being a retard.
I got a cheap tablet for christmas can anyone recommend a program to use for drawing? / any starting tips?
You're the fucking laughing stock of this thread, but just too dense to realize it. You have absolutely no self awareness and it was funny at first, but soon became tiring. I bet it's like that in your real life too.
Your deduction skills are flawless. You've managed to deduce that it's in my genes and not from my years of studying. And you did it all the way from your room!
Wow. You better put up a notice somewhere to inform artists and tell them to stop trying. It's useless, they simply don't have it in them like me.
And I'm not even that good, my genes must be rather weak. Here's me the idiot thinking there's some correlation with studying the subject and me improving at it slowly over the years.
Correct. But unlike >>25592772, I control and contain it.
>>25592772 is just willfully ignorant of relationships of artistic ability with intelligence/IQ (pattern recognition/transformation/..., abstraction, ...), all other tons of genes involved (from memory to coordination to...), early formative experiences... Appears to be getting some sort of kick from it.
This was my last really big attempt at a portrait. I fucked up the proportions but live and learn, right?
/ic/ made fun of me a lot for this
>it's in my genes and not from my years of studying
I am literally laughing.
After all those years, still funny somehow?
What CAUSED you to elect to spend years on studying, you tard? What facilitated it? What is responsible for immediacy of successes leading you to refuse to quit on the way?
In other words, you idiot, the fact that YOU attribute your successes to your choices/resolutions/blah blah blah to keep trying doesn't mean that it IS the actual cause. It just means that you refuse to dig deeper, causally, empirically speaking. Which >>25592712 probably understands but you, frankly, probably never will. You know what? Just stick to drawing. Your drawings are uninspired, but at least drawings can't be (explicitly) ignorant, unlike what you spout.
>is just willfully ignorant of relationships of artistic ability with intelligence/IQ (pattern recognition/transformation/..., abstraction, ...)
Groundbreaking stuff, senpai. Your capacity to recognize objects, understand 3D space, see colours etc is significant to drawing?
Realistically to some extent, yes. But having these things don't make you an artist from the start. It makes the process of learning easier. You can get there slightly faster than a drooling idiot, sure, but that doesn't mean that these people are ins some special advanced group and the rest of the population are incapable of understanding forms and visualizing 3D things on a 2D plane.
Your genetics only have a major role regarding your skill when your genetics actually obstruct your progress, such as being colour blind or impaired regarding spatial awareness.
>What CAUSED you to elect to spend years on studying, you tard?
Isolation. I wanted to get into film but was too stupid and lazy. Fell back on art. Wasn't good at the start, I didn't have a passion for it from early age. I just did it to be good, then it developed into a passion when I seen my work pay off.
It's never too late, anons! You can always start drawing, no matter how old you are!
See this? This is by Grandma Moses. She started painting at 78, and now one of her pieces is held in the White House! Pick up those pencils, anons!
This guy speaks the truth. People who are naturally talented persevere and spend months/years honing their skill. They assume that everyone else can "git gud" just because they did. However, at the other end of the spectrum is the person with no talent who tries and tries but fails every time. Even using tracing paper he sucks at reproduction. No amount of practice will raise his skills beyond a certain point because he is fundamentally deficient in that area.
>Realistically to some extent, yes.
>'Phase 3: reluctant concession. After the motivating retard has repeated his insults of cowardice, usually from 5 to 10 times, and having been exposed to fundamentals of heredity studies, he will concede the hereditary factor, but minimize its extent (keywords: 'to some extent', 'somewhat', 'slightly', 'mildly'). Next phase: pointing out unquantifiability of such terms.'
>No amount of practice will raise his skills beyond a certain point because he is fundamentally deficient in that area.
Only if he has brain damage.
Humans have the capacity to learn and develop. Even mentally! Shocking news. Don't know why there isn't an article on ScienceDaily about it.
People who don't have the brain for it can still learn to draw, and they can become great.
/r9k/ is just trying to get any excuse they can to show why they should never try.
>I didn't have a passion for it from early age
>I just did it to be good
>then it developed into a passion
And there are TOTALLY NO genetic factors in tenacity to stick to a resolution to develop an interest into a passion, right?
The ride literally never ends...
>Only if he has brain damage.
That's pretty much implied considering the board and site we are on.
>That's like saying people are inately good at playing the guitar, or cooking food
See >>25593089. He conceded it, in >>25593024, in 'Your genetics only have a major role regarding your skill when your genetics actually obstruct your progress, such as being colour blind or impaired regarding spatial awareness.'
See how he consciously used vague, unfalsifiable terms such as 'a major role', without quantifying those? That's because he wants to LEAVE the impression that those obstacles are insignificant. He has an agenda. He has an active interest to leave you NOT knowing the extent of importance of genes in artistic ability.
Such is life.
I'll go back to my full proof and never mentioned argument of "people are blank slated, everyone is equal, skin colour doesn't matter" argument now.
Sorry that I got side tracked with that fallacy of adjusting my argument.
Being a good artist is not in your genes, some aspects of your mental capabilities which are hereditary just make the path faster/easier.
This "genes" argument is moronic for people here are implying your genes are all that matters. that you either got it or don't, and refuse to even acknowledge my argument that it's something which you can develop through, ohh gee I don't know, practice and studying the subject?
Pic related. My genes hard at work.
>Being a good artist is not in your genes, some aspects of your mental capabilities which are hereditary just make the path faster/easier.
'Being a good artist is not in your genes, it's just being a good artist is in your genes.'
>This "genes" argument is moronic for people here are implying your genes are all that matters.
Nobody ITT said this.
And you are perfectly aware of this.
As I said... an agenda. Should be visible to all by now... But then, had I not taken the flak from you over the course of pointing it out, it would be left unstated.
>willfully ignorant of relationships of artistic ability with intelligence/IQ (pattern recognition/transformation/..., abstraction, ...), all other tons of genes involved (from memory to coordination to...), early formative experiences
The reason people keep calling you fedorable is because you've probably just read a Richard Dawkins book that you got for christmas and are now trying to apply "muh genes" to everything you see around you.
>Nobody ITT said this.
>No amount of practice will raise his skills beyond a certain point because he is fundamentally deficient in that area.
>beyond a certain point
In fact, you are not even trying.
I am out.
Tip, anon: fallacies are really not the way to go. If you want to make people sympathetic to your environmental position (while refusing to discuss facts), aggression will only harm your cause.
>relationships of artistic ability with intelligence/IQ (pattern recognition/transformation/..., abstraction, ...)
Actually if you try to think and abstract too much when you're drawing, it'll end up looking like shit, because you draw symbols instead of actually drawing what's there. Its a common mistake with beginners.
The way I see it, is that aptitude for art or whatever is a bit like character creation in the Elder Scrolls. You have a certain amount of "skill" in a given field at the start, and due to pre-determined aptitude you make gains much more quickly in that area of skill. This doesn't mean someone without that aptitude would never, eventually, reach the same heights as the pre-determined person, just that it will take them much, much longer and it will be much more difficult to reach that level.
The only difference is that you don't get to pick which are your "major skills" or which are your "minor skills." :^)
This is exactly what I meant. I meant pattern recognition in the sense of awareness that the pattern of 'eyelash' can be represented, executed, by different, sometimes very different, strokes. Abstraction. You need IQ for that.
>You need IQ for that.
No... you don't. You need someone to point out your mistakes so you can correct them and improve... through practice.
You seem to think that the process of learning a skill is to lock yourself in a dark room, invent that skill from scratch, and then emerge from that room being good at the thing you decided to learn. Thats bullshit. You learn from people who have already done what you're doing, who are better than you, you learn from their mistakes.
I learned programming, do you think I had to put together my own CPU using vacuum tubes and program it using punch cards? Fuck no I did tutorials.
Also IQ is a bullshit meme metric, science doesn't even know what intelligence really is let alone how to measure it well.
Ah yes, I give many shits about how many anonymous people I sway
Truth is if you spent as much time actually sitting down and trying tutorials as you do shitposting about how it's too hard you might actually have some kind of a skill by the time you're 30
Thanks for the tip. I'll learn from you and remember to be vague and shift goal posts.
Genes matter, now they don't, now it's clearly due to the many factors which influence every single person who's able minded, now this argument doesn't exist, now the other doesn't. People can learn, or they can't?
Think I got it.
It's all in the genes, right? Or not? I can't remember your point. Wait, was it that it's not all in your genes, that the word "all" is ruining my argument with a fallacy? I wonder where the rest comes from if genes don't control "all". I hope I didn't make a stupid argument in this thread.
>science doesn't even know what intelligence really is
>measure it well
Oh sweet Lord.
I wish there were someone competent in statistics ITT, so they could share my laugh.
Just one tip: it doesn't matter one fuck how intelligence is defined for IQ to have predictive value. You could define it as 'wondrous ability not to have brainfarts' and it would be still as valid (meaning, more socially valid than every single other factor).
>Genes matter, now they don't
>People can learn, or they can't?
>It's all in the genes, right? Or not?
It would be so much easier to cope with those if they were unintentional...
If I wasn't clear:
This genes meme gives you a different learning curve compared to the person who has poor spatial awareness and problems visualizing objects in their mind. It does not make them incapable or being/becoming good.
>It does not make them incapable or being/becoming good.
'You can do it, you just need to do it!'
>nothing else matters
You're just trying for volume, aren't you.
A word lazy cowards have coined so to deflect responsibility for providing actually substantial, actually meaningful advice, as well as to tautologically sidestep the reality of natural and nurtural factors in terms of which, as opposed to 'practice', achievement can solely be discussed.
Well, it's not exactly that. It's not 'hard work vs talent' really; mentions of hard work serve to deflect the discussion altogether. Again, people mention talent when they have the agenda to obscure the respective roles of nature and nurture.
Because people who identify entirely with their intelligence and who have no interests outside of having pointless arguments on the internet need a satisfying excuse as to why they're miserable and useless.
I say this as someone who used to be one of them. My fedora could be seen from space.
So what's your excuse for being a do-nothing /r9k/ poster?
Is it your shitty genetics or your shitty work ethic?
This is a lie.
It is time that someone should say this.
This is a lie and you are accusing of cowardice the very people who daily suffer significant abuse for daring to speak of actual empirical determinants of achievement, which very much are in need of statement.
First, 'work ethic' is not a thing.
Then, I have always been an overachiever personally. I used to waste whole days pursuing my hobbies, to major social detriment arguably. Proof effort isn't worth shit if your IQ is low.
>people who daily suffer significant abuse for daring to speak of actual empirical determinants of achievement
My favourite painting. What do you think?
Please give an example of your daily suffering of significant abuse, other than getting dumpstered in internet arguments on a mongolian cartoon imageboard
Well... I guess that was a good thread.
If I ever need to win a bet as to whether I can get 100+ replies, I just have to remember that there's some autist on r9k who doesn't believe that skills can be learned through practice, and that all success is determined genetically.
>who doesn't believe that skills can be learned through practice, and that all success is determined genetically
I honestly wish that misrepresentation of yours were just a result of careless reading.
But experience has taught me that you know the truth, and lie consciously. Somehow it's harder to deal with.
(Note, I am not saying that 'skills can be learned through practice', because it is, obviously, meaningless -- it means 'skills can be learned through coming to have them'. I just took a mental shortcut and taken your post for 'he denies the role of environment'.)
I am not talking about what you could have *(mis)inferred* from MY posts. I am talking about what you *assumed* YOURSELF. You, and some more people ITT if memory serves, assumed that I deny the role of environment; a knee-jerk assumption.
So that confirms why you're here trying to shit on people that actually work to improve their skills and lives.
Sad really that you try to use big words to make up for your small self
>mfw you'll never do anything of note
>lets discuss drawing in /r9k
3 posts in
>I have no talent, I'm worthless blah blah blah
>just practice bro
>no I can't practice because I have no talent
How did you not see this coming?
tried the upside-down method, it seems to help
~20 mins in SAI
Capability is a statistical relationship -- a statistical likelihood. One 'can' achieve something when one displays pre-established predictors of it. Motivating retards' purported capacity that joy-joy-everyone-has are worthless likelihoods: 'it is likely that you will achieve x if you work to achieve x'. This says nothing. This elucidates nothing. This makes people less self-aware.
some REALLY shitty polandball and other drawings I am not going to post because
It is MLP drawfagging, fetish included.
Want to try and practice more anatomy and draw less cartoony and more realistic and/or anime style, but it is a lot of work and a lot of time and failure deters me from starting.
I actually like drawing, a lot, it's one of the reasons I haven' plastered my brains across a wall, but I don't like musical endeavors, there's a point in which the difficulty makes it shitty and unfun.
It would be the tits if I could play accordion. I would have to spend five miserable years to passably play though.
just draw based off pictures of naked girls, you're already down a rabbit hole just keep going.
Because when "you can do it" is met with "Noooo my genes are too bad I know I've never actually tried but my genessssss"
Then there's no reasonable response other than to call you a faggot.
You are literally the same as the super fat women that blame their genetics for the reason they're unable to get thin.
>one can achieve something when he displays pre established predictors of it
No, this is wrong. One can accomplish something when one puts the effort required for accomplishing it.
By the way I'm not impressed by your pseudo attempt at fancy word intellectualism. Either learn real logic or keep sounding like a 15 year old
>there's a point in which the difficulty makes it shitty and unfun
You probably don't realize how remarkable you are for embracing that awareness as opposed to reacting to it with knee-jerk accusations of laziness and cowardice.
On some level of insignificance of improvement, on the level at which you just mechanically churn out one uninspired drawing after another, it is just joyless and pointless to grind forward with drawing/programming/playing/socializing/whatever. Motivating retards will arbitrarily assert, '...but you can make it fun!' (...if, for instance, 'you consciously seek out extra materials or sources online which will inspire you!'), but they will never realize that they are just changing the established context of the relationship. Sure, if it becomes granted that one will have been exposed to inspiring, stimulating materials, then his/her learning will be more fun -- but this is irrelevant. Because the relative gap between their efforts and of a naturally inspirable, stimulable person will remain. So the role of innate talent will remain exactly the same as ever.
But this has been said, and unheard, way too many times.
>the people who says you can do it are the first to insult
This is a fallacy, any persons natural response to finding a man baby complaining that their faults are everyone elses is to insult him
My art in nursery years
My art age 12 or 13
(In other words, motivating retards' sole trick is violating the parametres of the discussion. Where a rational person would discuss feasibilities of an achievement, such as mastering a medium or an instrument, within (as I explained) the parametres of one's past, such as social or familial background, the m.r. will violate this with this revelation of 'no, that's not true, you can do it as soon as (cue a new condition) YOU ENSURE that you do it'. This is laughable in its irrelevance really.)
Why are you in a drawthread though if you can't draw and you'll never draw.
If somebody cut my legs off I wouldn't get mad at threads about jogging, I'd just avoid them.
I mean, it would be annoying if I was told my legless torso could pull off a marathon if I "tried really hard :^)"
If fun is the only thing you care about then go play a videogame. Drawing is fun, doing it over and over is not until that hundred or thousand drawing that comes out better then its fun for a while and it stops until you achieve again. This goes on until you are good enough to produce quality work.
This is the logic that governs all in a meritocracy.
It also means that if you only play videogames you are going to end up hating yourself so there is no escape
You are making no point.
It's very simple: because motivating retards' sophistry of 'practice practice practice' diminishes popular awareness of meaningful science such as >>25592712. I want to speak out whenever science is being obscured.
My art 1 year ago
It's copied from another picture but it looks good
Yes I am, fun its not an end you dense piece of shit. Getting better is an end, producing something of quality is an end, even getting appreciation is an end. How can someone who doesn't understand this can consider himself smart is beyond me. Please hold on to that fake sense of accomplishment and never ever discuss it shit someone who can challenge it because it's all you got, because there is no value in you
I'm pretty fond of drawing, and I either do it on paper or tablet. I like the ability to instantly share drawings and color them and shit, but I always miss that feel of pencil/pen hitting paper. So if I'm going for quality, tablet. If I'm just fucking around, probs mouse or pencil
I wish I had more time/drive to learn anatomy, I'll just scribble around like a faggot until I git gud.
Based on what? Who looks at a baby and says this baby has shown no signs of wanting to walk before therefore it shall remain bound to a chair. How does that make sense? If talent is genetic then how could you possibly know you don't have it? Are you a genetist? Have you studied generations of your family? Can you issolate the art gene?
That information will reach more people who need to hear it elsewhere, start a thread.
Most people who've sworn by the practice makes perfect meme treat it as gospel, and will never be won over.
And most allistics (I'm assuming you're a sperg like me because of your writing style and refusal to submit) see persistence in a discussion as weak, laughable, and a sign of immaturity- this is because despite their own convictions they will immediately throw away their opinion once a consensus has been reached within a group.
These people think agreement is more important than science.
Yeah. I used to be shit as a kid, but I looked to other artists as influences and kinda mirrored them and mixed styles until I had my own. It's a matter of finding what you like and making it.
You said you use science when all you do is make wild retarded claims and cite jezbel oh and use words you think other people can't understand.
If you are truly using science then answer my questions
If talent is genetic how can you proove that you don't have the art genes?
This is a draw thread right? I'm practicing assets. Am I doing it right?
I'm not the poster who's been arguing that point, I'm a sympathizer.
Have you read >>25592712
It's a nice jumping off point in the research.
Genetics really aren't simple enough that you can sequence somebody and determine whether they have "the art genes".
What are you talking about? Your 'ends' and 'values' are literally immaterial. I'm not interested in some sort of ends, I'm interested in the role of measurable factors in the likelihood that a person says out the words 'I quit' and actually quits, and how much ability, e.g. artistic, they manage to build before they do. Facts. And again, before you say that 'regardless of science's findings regarding feasibility of a certain achievement, a person can always go out on a limb and personally ensure that they achieve even more, which means that practice is still a thing', see >>25594637.
Moving the goalposts. First you said it is illogical to discuss feasibility based on one's past, now you're saying it is 'hard' to discuss it. 'Hard' being an undefined term aside, it has never been questioned.
I can't believe someone else knows the term 'allistic'. I use it from time to time. Believe it or not, I'm not autistic at all. Just socially isolated and thus having so far escaped the normie memes such as practice or free.
I didn't post that study BTW -- I'm just aware that they exist.
hello fellow robots this is my "artist" journal. I've always sucked at drawing, so one day i've decided to start improving my drawing skillz.
After a months of trial and error i've decided to stop because i lack the motivation to continue. Enjoy my awful picture
*after a month (i've mistyped)
i've never been interested in a realistic type of drawing, because i prefer more abstract/symbolic/autistic style, so i've had no interest in continuing improving myself
I posted this in /gd last night but I honestly just love it so much.
Tablet is definitely better if you're good at drawing, and you can get them pretty damn cheap. I recommend the bamboo create, I got that for my best friend for Christmas.
Honestly, I know you gotta have the budget or very caring parents around the holidays, but go for a cintiq. I got the 13 HD wacom cintiq, cheapest one, works BEAUTIFULLY.
I still use my art desk and sketch books from time to time.
>only does digital art
This, or other traditional methods.
There's very little value in work done on a platform where you can press undo, copy and paste, and other easy stuff.
I gave up drawing a while back. Getting back into it feels disappointing since I can't even draw something as good as this old sketch anymore. Even if I can picture the design and structure all my strokes come out like shit..
There is no easy mode in art. If you don't know how to draw a horse for example, having the ability to undo, cut and paste or whatever digital trick won't help you at all if you don't have the correct forms and fundamentals in your head.
Made this while crying the whole time.
Don't know why or what it is.
i did a similar thing with MSPaint
Just been playing around with different brushes in Photoshop CS6
Don't stop drawing, anon.
My early sketches looked crude and even now, after approx. 10,000 drawings I still draw pretty rough.
But I enjoy it and find it relaxing, hope you do too.
I do a webcomic,and I dream of making a living from it someday. I prefer a more "engineered " strip,but the past few years has forced me to generate strips directly from sketchbooks with minimal clean up and dialogue revision. But the Magic creeps through. Here is one of the latest...
There are good days and there are bad days, art is nice, and it's the only thing that brings a small sense of selfworth into my life as of now.
Sometimes I wish I would just give up and end it all with a dose of Nembutal.
I tried drawing for a month
It was alright. I see the appeal but it's too much of a waste of time to actually get good and there's not much you can do with that talent