>>25560249 Will elaborate: stone age thinking equals stone age progress. I want to see us take to the stars at some point and I'm not sure if there's room for assholes that think that other people can be property
>>25560259 Well, I play Garry's Mod which is populated by children and teenagers. The teenagers love to put down the younger kids by calling them "twelvies" and "squeakers" despite being just as annoying. They'll often swear at them by saying shit like "Shut the fuck up, kid" and whatnot. Those people infuriate me. I was nothing like them at their age because I've never been a fucking normalfag. Often, I'll just tell them how I feel and put them down like animals in-game. Fucking normies.
>>25560210 All of it. Society is one big cult. Just constantly creating more and more fucked up bullshit. It's not just the elites brainwashing people and keeping them down like all the new age hippies say (though that's definitely a large contribution), but even down to the individual level everyone is so fucked up, so it wouldn't even matter if there wasn't groups of people pulling the strings.
>>25560313 essentially, people view themselves separate from nature and thus feel entitled to exploiting it however destructive it is to themselves, animals, and the ecology of the earth as a whole. the earth offers up it's bounties to humanity, but we cannot harmoniously utilize them because of our preoccupation with the exchange of goods in a flawed economic society. everything we've learned as a species, we observe in nature. and there are still mysteries about the earth to be brought to light. we should have learned how to be harmonious in our relationship with the earth, to give as much as we take to the ecosystem, but instead we destroy the pacific ocean, bury nuclear waste in containers deep underground knowing they will break down and release it into the soil, spray fields with chemicals that kill, and splice perfectly fine crops to the point where they are genotoxic. it is madness and we are to blame
>>25560430 There is nothing inherently wrong with exploiting nature.
There are laws against killing/contributing to the extinction of animals. Industry and wild animals can coexist, only in places where there are little to no laws is that not the case (Africa, poaching and all that). To get upset because we cut down unfeeling trees is hippy bullshit.
>>25560260 It's not religion that's holding science backwards in modern society, it's either lack of funds or muh animal rights or muh nature(which are majority of atheists/agnostics or non religious people) however I do agree that if we let religion loose control again it will push us backwards
>>25560440 it isn't new age, it's common sense. idiots like you lack this sense and throw around labels in frustration while your mind tries to rationalize how destroying the enviornment is normal. it's killing us too dumbshit, why don't you fucking get it
>>25560487 >it's common sense Except there is no scientific evidence that any of our current industries will be impacting us or the environment as a whole negatively in any meaningful way, at least not for several millennia.
>>25560210 the war on drugs. All drugs should be legal, taxed. Those taxes used to perfect drug safety, production, treatment of problem users. The crime rate would drop to near zero, everyone would be happier, it would be a true drug fuelled utopia
Affirmative action. Mind you I myself am a minority but to me affirmative action is bullshit. These literal fucking retards being rewarded for race rather than intelligence. Anothet thing that irks me is people going for degrees treating their degree like a fucking trade. If you "omg hate chemistry and biology" you will not love being a fucking doctor, apply yourselves motherfuckers.
>>25560497 Good refutation. >>25560499 I too am a white heterosexual male. I acknowledge that black culture is inferior, that Jews control the media, and so on. But to say you are inherently better than anyone else has no factual basis. There are leagues of women, black people, jews, and faggots who have done more for society than you ever will.
>>25560462 what do "laws" mean in the face of transnational corporations? they do what is profitable regardless of whatever "law" is put in place to appease people and pay out governments for letting them do so. paltry legislature means fucking nothing, especially when people like you are this obtuse
>>25560565 You offer no examples or evidence whatsoever, you simply state: >they have money so I bet they don't follow those laws >haha checkmate What you're saying is of no substance whatsoever. You hold this position to feel morally superior to other people.
>>25560588 Like I said, for several millenia. Sure our world may heat up a few degrees (even the evidence for that is iffy at best) but what does that mean for any of us? Or any of the animals that live in this world? Nothing. Panda bears, penguins, manatees, whales, even the most likely to be impacted will feel no impact. We have several thousands years at the least to figure out how to help them, if science even finds that we need to.
This is not an extinction level event, or even close to one, for any species. I know that your feelings of superiority are important, but they do not trump facts.
>>25560621 >haha capitalist! Oh no, I believe that people are entitled to the money they earn, how inhumane. You'll grow up after high school. Anti-capitalism is synonymous with weakness. You don't believe yourself to be capable of earning a living since you have no skills or value, so you say people who can achieve are sick and selfish.
>>25560596 and you are clearly autistic. a fleeting sense of validation has nothing to do with why these things are true. I gave you examples of the crimes against nature these corporation have wrought. you're deluded
>>25560621 Where did the faggots come from? Why do I keep seeing Socialist scum trashing up the boards? I can understand being a Russiaboo. The same as Nazi fetish though. Even socialist Europe uses Capitalism as the backbone of supporting socialism. I actually don't know how liberating a market is a bad thing.
>>25560643 Failure of an ideology attracts similar minds.
>>25560655 I can understand anti-corporatism. Would rather have it then overbearing social bureaucracy though.
How the wealth of a few is built on the suffering of many. How people with wealth and power can easily screw over people with neither.
How the system/ society/ whatever is built on selfishness and disregard for others suffering that is not immediately seen or experienced.
How we as a society don't try to make something more inclusive and productive where we wouldn't end up with people unable to pay for food, abandoned outcasts etc. Generally a more connected society would decrease violence, depression, anxiety etc
How we don't work together to improve all our lives, but constantly work against each other to degrade everyones instead
>>25560210 /pol/ tier right wing done unironically tumblr tier left wing done unironically
many policies of the left and many of the right are desirable, the extreme fringes of these make it impossible to discuss this online. meanwhile the real world advances with stupid, outdated ideas because the case for change isn't being made clearly.
I have a fuckload of things that piss me off to no end.
When people think it's okay to impose noise pollution on others. (I'm looking at you, normies)
When people think it's okay for violent subhuman apes to come to my country just because they're fleeing a war in theirs.
When people think they're above the law, or when they think it's okay to get into the policeman's face with a camera and disrupt him when he's doing his job.
People who sympathize with criminals in general.
When people do drugs or engage in similar irresponsible behavior and think there are no consequences. Further still, when they think the concept of taking responsibility for their actions is oppressive and invented by the evil patriarchy/white man.
Mainstream culture making satirical jokes out of shitting on decency, conservatism, family values, etc.
The amount of beta fags who think it's appropriate to defend a woman on the internet (and often times IRL) even though they're nothing more than objects to her.
People who protest violently and then complain about police brutality when they get their shit kicked in.
And so many other things that I can't think of right now.
>>25560746 >Highschool tier cynicism While I agree that society isn't as good as it could be anon. I do know that it isn't that bad. That is what you get for hanging out with fedoras though.
>Be me >At church >Everybody pitch in for this family in need >Raise 10,000 in 2 days for a necessary life saving surgery >Everybody gives what they can >Pastor transfers it, all that wealth he got was built on suffering of others though. >What we find though is that it was a voluntary transaction of human suffering. He got it for free because people wanted to give it to him lessening their suffering. >Was completely the opposite of self-serving
>>25560793 i should emphasise that's part of the problem looking at it from a more traditional left wing (vaguely socialist inspired) perspective, they just exist to divide and conquer disadvantaged groups (most of whom suffer most for economic reasons) so that they can't form a united front against their oppressors (the economically advantaged and the government they lobby.)
that sounds unduly revolutionary intentionally, my actual policy prescription wouldn't be a socialist revolution to rectify this. it would be more along the lines of european social democracy.
>>25560564 Cousin thew cat at wall and broke its leg. I beat the fuck out of him almost killed him spent 400 to get the cats leg fixed fucking love that cat. It is a bit awkward at family stuff but he know what he did and i dont regret it.
>>25560842 You don't even need communism to have a coherent left wing ideology (which tumblr lacks).
For example Tumblrites would be more likely to campaign for the government to fund only sex change operations (giving money to private companies, just barely left wing and mostly centrist) than to fund universal healthcare like the UK's (which would benefit filthy cis white men as well, possibly even disproportionately.) (left wing)
Neither of these require outright communism (just fund universal healthcare with tax revenue generated by a capitalist economy.)
Living in the USA i either have to choose between to extremes liberalism or conservatism . i dislike some aspect about liberalism (3rd-4th )wave feminism , but i can't ever voice them without being attacked by other liberals . the other hand conservatives are nuts so am stuck voting for somethings i don't like .
>>25560806 i'M NOT RETARDED! Why do people think an animals life is worth more than a humans? Why do people think destroying their brain for a high is a good idea? Why do people think letting in refugees is a good idea? Why do people think that all billionaires are evil? Why do people think you can be whatever gender you want? Why do people think GMO's are evil? Why do people pursue a relationship when they've seen how it ends a million times?
How am i retarded for not understanding why people choose ignorance and feelings when the correct and logical answer is right in front of them?
>>25560916 Government intervention to help the disadvantaged is a left wing preference. When the government pays your fees at a private hospital using taxpayer money, that's a very centrist left wing policy. When the government owns the hospital (even if there are private competitors people can pay to use) and funds the hospital with taxpayer money, that's left-wing (social democracy - Europe today) When the government owns the hospital and most major industries and uses tax revenue plus industry revenue to fund everything, that's left wing (borderline socialism - UK 1940s) When the government owns the hospital and all industries with little to no private enterprise, controlling the entire economy, that's left wing (Socialism - USSR) When there is no government and the hospital is autonomous and run in some vague utopian way, that's left wing (Communism - Never achieved)
>>25560816 I was recently in a "debate" with someone who is massively pro-abortion but was horrified when they learned that in some less developed parts of the world (to put it gently) women still decide to abort if they find out their child will be a girl. So I just told them that I don't see why they're upset when not even 5 minutes ago they were all about "womyn should be able to do with their bodies what they want to stop oppressing them", so if they want to abort girls who are you to tell them otherwise?
>>25560955 >Why do people think an animals life is worth more than a humans? They are too scared to admit that maybe people with differing opinions aren't so bad after all. >Why do people think destroying their brain for a high is a good idea? They have nothing better to do with their lives. >Why do people think letting in refugees is a good idea? Trying to one-up their PC friends by pretending to be a saint, and not understanding the consequences of their actions >Why do people think that all billionaires are evil? Because that is what they are told >Why do people think you can be whatever gender you want? Because they are too scared to admit that they might be mentally ill >Why do people think GMO's are evil? Because that is what they are told >Why do people pursue a relationship when they've seen how it ends a million times? Biological urges >How am i retarded for not understanding why people choose ignorance and feelings when the correct and logical answer is right in front of them? The average american works over 50 hours/week, is thousands of dollars in debt, has marital problems, probably has smoking/drinking problems, lives paycheck-to-paycheck, and has no family life to speak of. These people would literally kill themselves if they didn't keep themselves doped up with booze and deliberate ignorance.
>>25561032 You could've lapped it on more by letting her know it was China (psst don't be racist!) and that they abort girls frankly because of the female privilege of NOT being expected to care for your parents when they can no longer care for themselves: a clearly disadvantageous expectation for all males.
>>25561071 Fair enough, but >The average american works over 50 hours/week, is thousands of dollars in debt, has marital problems, probably has smoking/drinking problems, lives paycheck-to-paycheck, and has no family life to speak of. These people would literally kill themselves if they didn't keep themselves doped up with booze and deliberate ignorance.
>>25560955 >Why do people think an animals life is worth more than a humans? Some people are crazy. Others think animal life is more important than certain human comforts (i.e. not building a new airport because you'll risk killing a certain species which in turn risks fucking up the local ecosystem.) >Why do people think destroying their brain for a high is a good idea? Because it feels good. You're looking at a species that has consumed alcohol throughout the ages. >Why do people think letting in refugees is a good idea? Because we're generally told leaving people to die is wrong. Good Samaritan, that kind of thing. Also because they're genuinely in need and fit-to-work, and many European countries have sub-replacement fertility so 'require' immigration anyway (so basically two birds with one stone - shore up population and help drowning Syrians.) >Why do people think that all billionaires are evil? Because they lobby for policies in their self interest against the greater interest of society. >Why do people think you can be whatever gender you want? Because language is ultimately arbitrary. >Why do people think GMO's are evil? Because the companies that create them are generally suspect. Seed patenting, terms and conditions, etc. >Why do people pursue a relationship when they've seen how it ends a million times? Feels good man, just world fallacy, not everyone has seen it (even if they have, they might not realize.)
>How am i retarded for not understanding why people choose ignorance and feelings when the correct and logical answer is right in front of them? You're not retarded, you're autistic. Not even meme autism. Human beings generally aren't robots and thus don't always act rationally. People chase good feelings.
Final note: Not everything stated here is MY opinion (I don't care about refugees for example), I'm just explaining why other people think the way they do.
>>25561089 This wasn't about China, it was about fairly recent events and data gathered from some "less advanced" European countries actually. I wasn't even trying to debate about abortion (because people just start accusing me of being a brainwashed catholic zealot when I do), I just pointed out the hypocrisy of claiming women should be able to do what they want, but then getting upset when women actually do what they want.
>>25560955 >Why do people think an animals life is worth more than a humans? Well, it's more about life being equal. I still eat meat, personally, because I lack that 'moral high ground', but I'd prefer my meat not come from some mistreated background because it's not like it being mistreated improves the taste.
>Why do people think destroying their brain for a high is a good idea? Legalization of drugs has to do with the fact addiction can be supported, monitored, and also eradicate the underground sale of drugs and therefore use the excess tax dollars for education and rehabilitation centres.
>Why do people think letting in refugees is a good idea? I don't know where I stand on this issue, desu. It's a tough one.
>Why do people think that all billionaires are evil? Most of them are the bourgeoisie. And the multinational corporations many of them own don't pay a fair share of tax and actually contributed toward the financial crisis, but not like it hurt them.. they had money in offshore accounts in-case this happened.
>Why do people think you can be whatever gender you want? Because gender is a construct. Unlike sex, gender has always been an intangible concept. I still align with my sex, but don't care if other people don't.
>Why do people think GMO's are evil? Potentially, they can be harmful for the ecosystem. It's like Russian roulette where the GMO crops could spread and cause devastating consequences for wildlife. I'm fine with GMO crops being lab-containment grown, packaged, and labelled, and I'd most likely have no qualms eating it.
>Why do people pursue a relationship when they've seen how it ends a million times? I stopped pursuing relationships. As I know how it ends, every time. I'm a NEET and a robot that has purged most feeling from himself.
>>25561115 >How do you explain progressive millennials then? A very, very tiny minority of the total population that just happens to be very, very vocal.
Progressive millennials always come from good, well-off families, who are college-educated and live/work in a metropolitan area, and haven't actually dealt with real hardship in their lives, which is why they can be so naively idealistic.
>>25560955 >Why do people think an animals life is worth more than a humans?
humans will judge you, mock you, bully you, betray you, all while knowing they shouldnt but do it anyway
meanwhile animals are bros and will love and respect you for life, even if a wild animal kills you or something it doesnt really know what it's doing, meanwhile if a random human killed you it'll probably specifically do it in a humiliating way to enjoy it more
>>25560210 islam, i just hate mudshits and obesity and people who chew loudly and people with big teeth and vacuous whores like ellen degenerate and people who define their identity by a subculture or "fandom" and people who role chaotic anything unless the campaign suits such characters or theyre capable of playing them without making me want to skullfuck them and people who talk loudly be it on the phone or with eachother on public transport and kids and literally every advert on tv and retards that like anything bioware or bethesda have made since mass effect 2 and shivering isles respectively and people who wallow in self pity and people who cant handle their drink and faggots who think their music taste is special and faggots who think they are special and people who dont respect the sanctity of the queue and furfags and cynical bastards/edgy misanthropic fucks and myself and memes, i really fucking hate memes
>>25560210 The death of the white race, the fact that every other race has a near ethnically homogenous homeland and can take pride in their cultural identity, but If you try to do this as a white man or bring it up youre seen as a hate filled racist.
>>25561116 >Because the companies that create them are generally suspect. Seed patenting, terms and conditions, etc. So you're saying that the technology is bad because a company that produces a product using said technology does bad things?
You might as well just cut off your internet and phone plans, because it is guaranteed that your provider has tried to get anti-consumer legislation passed.
Modifying plants and seeds to get better yields of food is a noble endeavor, and the actions of the company doesn't reflect on the technology itself.
I get pissed off by people who talk loudly in public transports. Even worse are those fucks who speak a foreign language and think noone understands them. Those are the absolute worst. When they use a language I understand I sometimes just go up to them and tell them "interesting talk" in their language.
I do hate how people act on public transport in general though. For example, normies never go through the bus to sit in the seats in the back. It's as if their all scared of someone shanking them, so they just huddle in the front parts like retards while their are free seats in the back. Or retards who sit down, put their bags on the seat next to them and pretend to not see or hear you when you want to sit down. Just thinking about it gets me mad, fuck! Commuting is hell
>>25561203 >So you're saying that the technology is bad because a company that produces a product using said technology does bad things? I'm saying the public perception of GMO might have been better if reading about the companies involved didn't create the impression of a conspiracy to take control of the world's food supplies.
I'm saying why people think (and I'll admit I probably should also have mentioned general appeal-to-nature whining against GMO too.) ill of it. Not that I think ill of it.
>>25561154 It's not that there's anything outright wrong, but couching it like a "centrist left wing" vs ??? issue totally ignores that fact that these issues don't fit the mores that the phrasing entails.
If simply voting "right wing" would solve the issue then the problem would be solved. It's typical libertarian/fedora-tier logic without any real critical analysis.
Like it or not, whatever labels you place on an era don't actually define it very well. The policies indicate a broader social context that aligns (whether GP likes it or not) with current thinking and maligning them (without prescribing an effective/measurable alternative) indicates an, at best, grade school level reading of the issues with a tendency towards the inflammatory.
"let the sick die" isn't a workable solution. If you can't understand that then you are beyond discussion."
>>25561348 I was actually backing you up about not giving up your seat. I find it funny you have a bunch of young people who claim they're into living healthy and working out and all that other crap, but get upset when they have to stand during their 6 minute bus ride because somebody is taking up 2 seats.
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