I'm convinced mods are purposely trying to sink /v/. Before any drastic change occurred (such as a split that some people want) the least you could do is moderate it. There are always streamer threads up, threads about transsexuals that people who secretly want to hatefuck them keep spamming, dumb forced memes made by /tv/ cross boarders, "hurdur what do you think about this SJW?" threads, and a lot more. I mean ALWAYS this shit is there. Even the slightest amount of moderation would be useful but at this point there seems to be none.
What is there goal, to have the board purged altogether?
This is why I like /vg/. It's all video game discussion, all the time.
I'm convinced that people who come to /qa/ to bitch about /v/ aren't native to the board, and fall into one of a few categories:
1. Wants mods to be their maids and delete anything they don't like.
2. Doesn't use the board and believes some horror story from like, 2008-2012 about /v/ being 90% off-topic. Comes to the board, sees one off-topic thread, confirmation bias kicks in.
3. Wasn't around for the horrors of the past and doesn't know how good they have it.
4. Is so horribly sensitive that they get triggered by even the sight of an ot thread.
This image is the first few pages of /v/. Could it be better? Of course. Is ot nonsense as pressing a problem as it has been in the past? Not by a long shot.
/v/'s biggest problem is jackasses that shitpost every single game they don't like because they're the self-appointed defenders of board purity or some shit.
>You're an absolute shitter if you think /qa/ complaints are some new breed of user
They've been on /q/ and /qa/ for a long time, but what I'm saying is that they're not regular users of the board they whine about. It's like if I were to come in and start complaining about /m/ or /fa/ based on a few threads I saw that I didn't like.
>and everything said here about /v/ is unfounded and without reason.
>IF ENOUGH PEOPLE REPEAT IT, IT MUST BE TRUE!!!
I guess if you want to ignore the actual evidence right in front of you, that's cool. And I never said they were completely unfounded, just wildly exaggerated.
What does that have to do with anything? Shit is shit regardless of who's describing it.
You're falling back on the "you don't understand us!" retort that is useless.
How about this, tell me why it's okay for /v/ to house the type of threads pointed out in the OP.
>What does that have to do with anything? Shit is shit regardless of who's describing it.
>You're falling back on the "you don't understand us!" retort that is useless.
If you're not a frequent user of a board, you have no idea of the scope and magnitude of pretty much anything that goes on over there. You have no business talking about any "problems" a board might have because you have very little basis on which to make generalizations.
>How about this, tell me why it's okay for /v/ to house the type of threads pointed out in the OP.
I never once defended offtopic threads. I just said that they're much less of a problem than they used to be. Look /v/ is about 90% ontopic at any given point, compared to like, 40% in the bad old days. There are simply bigger fish to fry than cleaning up the remaining 10%, despite what the perpetual whiners would have you believe.
As someone who was an avid /v/ user, you cannot possibly think 2008-2012 /v/ was worse than 2014-2015 /v/. I would rather go back to that time instead of having to deal with the relentless shitposting we have now.
At this point I don't fucking know what the mods are doing with /v/. I get the feeling that, much like /tv/ they fucking hate /v/ now because of GamerGate. It could explain why they are so fucking lazy in actually deleting shitposting threads and shitposts in general. Its also a known fact they are biased towards Nintendo, and have been known to ban people who talk shit about them or delete any thread negative about Nintendo.
Again? My reasoning is because GamerGate hated Nintendo because of them censoring games. This could be the mods fucking with /v/ and pissing them off. Believe it or not, moot actually moderated /v/ before he left with another mod, and he did a decent job. With moot gone, these new mods are free to ruin /v/ as they please. Mods most likely are keeping Hiro in the dark as best as they can because they don't want him to know about what they do. Its disgusting, but I think at this point we need to get in contact with Hiro directly from now on. We need to start saving evidence of mod corruption. Sadly DesuStorge does not have /v/ listed, but it does have /qa/, and the mods are known to visit here and delete shit they don't like
/v/ is what it's supposed to be. It's a board with a lot of users, without the systems like what reddit has to help automatically moderate them. 4chan wasn't built to scale to the size it is, and /v/, /b/, and /pol/, are evidence of that. That being said, there is some emergent behavior that crops up out of that mess, and that emergent behavior has value. For example, "Raw" discussion has these problems, and that's just kind of the way it is. There's nothing wrong with /v/ that isn't also wrong with any sufficiently large community that keeps its moderation manual and its users "free". This is what you've signed up for and this is what you get.
Is your problem with tyrannical moderators? Is your problem with shitposting users? Is your problem with both at the same time? Which do you prefer? Or would you like "Reddit" which most people definitely don't want.
/v/ can't be fixed without a "reddit" style of user moderation, and as such, I don't agree that it's broken. /v/ is what it is, and that's all it is.
What solution would you come up with? Can you come up with a solution that doesn't have drawbacks that you'll complain about tomorrow? Try to think forward.
What I want out of /v/, more than anything else, is the people that post porn. I honestly believe that porn is the single most disruptive thing you can post on that board. Post something sexy, and the idiots will flood in. It always attracts the worst people I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. I believe that cracking down on the people that post porn would vastly improve /v/.
Yes, a mostly ontopic board that has a problem with angry manchildren shitposting is VERY much preferable to a board that fluctuates between 60% and 80% /b/. The unironic rage comics, reddit witchhunts, constant memes, and all that other "/v/ culture" bullshit were just the bee's knees.
>Its also a known fact they are biased towards Nintendo, and have been known to ban people who talk shit about them or delete any thread negative about Nintendo.
That's because anti-Nintendo posters are wildly immature. Remember the Wii era? When there was a Nintendo hate thread on the front page at virtually all times? You don't want to go back to that, do you?
>We need to start saving evidence of mod corruption
The mods don't actually have any responsibility to behave fairly towards the userbase. Otherwise the rules wouldn't be written so broadly as to give them carte blanche to do whatever they want.
>The mods don't actually have any responsibility to behave fairly towards the userbase.
Seriously. What would 4chan do if Hiro just pulled the plug? Would he have to answer to anybody?
An example that just happened:
Blacked thread reaches 200 posts before being deleted. Gaping hentai anus thread persists for 20+ minutes after this. Around 30 minutes later, the 250 post game dev thread gets deleted.
Slow response to deleting threads isnt the worst thing, but deleting Vidya is just heinous.
The thing I hate about /v/ is how it's a "NO FUN ALLOWED" board
Every time an interesting thread pops up and it has tons of discussion, it gets deleted because of "flamewars" or "e-celebs"
Sure I can understand something like twitter screencaps of literal nobodies, but you should be able to post about vidya youtube channels too, besides Two Best Friends or some other cringeworthy shit that is allowed to stay.
While you may think "bleh, those are horrible, how can you like those!", besides off-topic stuff, /v/ is fucking trash
It's literally like reddit. A bunch of recommendation and begging threads. With the occasional porn thread.
>It's literally like reddit
Because Redditors use /v/ as their personal shitposting board. The mods never bother to do their jobs so nothing ever gets done to clean up their mess. We have been begging Hiro since he took power to fix /v/, and nothing has gotten done yet.
>It inspires discussion about uh, wait a second, video games?
No it doesn't. The only discussion rec threads have it
>rec me im wetrd
>go watch x y z
>IM PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF USING GOOGLE AND I DEMAND TO KNOW X
Rec threads don't have discussion. They have only retards screaming for a rec they could easily get from googling and then the same retards recing someone else. There isn't any discussion. The fucking things are stupid and the people who post and do them are stupid. Allowing them also encourages others to make the stupid things until the entire board is nothing but rec threads.
You've obviously never been to reddit before if you think Reddit is a bunch of recommendations and begging threads. Reddit is more of a place where they post a webm of a funny thing that happened in JustCause3 and then they post a series of youtube links to funny JustCause3 events while trying to come up with funny one liners about it.
Here is a screencap of /r/gaming sidebar rules.
Try looking in one of these threads. Scroll to the very bottom and you'll find the sort of "Anti-groupthink" post that gets downvoted.
Now think about the average tone of /v/. Do you honestly like it there?
My idea of a rec thread is a person asking if FF Tactics is good and it turning into a FF Tactics thread full of details revolving around the game and similar titles. There is literally nothing wrong with this and I've seen it unfold time and time again.
A good way to start a FF Tactics thread is to say something "Can we all agree that this was overrated compared to advance" or something like that (not that I've played them, just an example)
Simply going "HURR DURR, I PLAYED THIS SPOONFEED ME /v/!" just encourages low quality posts with little to no discussion
>Now think about the average tone of /v/. Do you honestly like it there?
I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. Are you saying that /v/ doesn't have the same hivemind mentality that reddit has? Because it totally does. That's why the echo chamber of Nintendo and Valve exist, because the average /v/ user is just as dumb as your average redditor (for example see >>>/v/324249563/ and then go to any anti Sony thread)
>It's all video game discussion, all the time.
They are just as dumb, sure, but they're dumb in wholy different ways. Once again, you have not described reddit's /r/gaming one iota. The difference is that 4chan shouts and stomps their feet about anything they don't like.
Redditors get downvoted for naysaying *literally anything* so they compliment *everything*. Yes there are echo chambers for Nintendo, and Valve, and Sony, and Microsoft, and literally everything else, but those Echo Chambers cross polinate less, and when they do it's "Well, to be fair, they do have these good things," being said. Meanwhile, on 4chan's /v/ you don't get any discussion at all unless you are tearing something down, as you've described in your own post.
>A good way to start a FF Tactics thread is to say something "Can we all agree that this was overrated compared to advance" or something like that
This is exactly the difference between 4chan and Reddit. How to start a thread on Reddit:
>FFT was one of the best games of my childhood. My favorite team was three dancers and two mimics. Wiznaebus Forever and evade until 6 turns pass. GG EZ.
That is completely different from 4chan where you have to piss people off into replying to your thread.
>>FFT was one of the best games of my childhood. My favorite team was three dancers and two mimics. Wiznaebus Forever and evade until 6 turns pass. GG EZ.
>That is completely different from 4chan where you have to piss people off into replying to your thread.
But the problem with reddit, and 4chan, is that people use them for an ego boost. They just get the most popular game, slap text on it (or just make a thread about it on 4chan to piss people off, and it works) and get all the upboats. On 4chan just replace upboats with (You)'s which are much more satisfying to get.
Although game specific subreddits seem to be fine, like /r/fireemblem or something since they actually talk about the games there and not MEMES (or at least good ones)
You can't even have a decent video game discussion anymore on /v/ without the thread being infested by shitposters. Doesn't matter that the hate against anime games has significantly increased thanks to normies and redditors despising it
>That's because anti-Nintendo posters are wildly immature. Remember the Wii era? When there was a Nintendo hate thread on the front page at virtually all times? You don't want to go back to that, do you?
But its totally okay for them to allow anti-Sony threads to stay up right? Nintendo's been making a lot of fucks up lately, and them trying to delete and ban people for talking shit about Nintendo shows that they are biased as fuck.
>The mods don't actually have any responsibility to behave fairly towards the userbase
They have a responsibility to do their fucking jobs.
>Otherwise the rules wouldn't be written so broadly as to give them carte blanche to do whatever they want.
They don't even bother enforcing the rules on certain boards. I don't think even half of these mods on here follow the rules laid out to them for the boards.
I think the worst thing that's happened to /v/ is the fact that we can't even have amateur game devs anymore show up because its so fucking toxic. Yandere Simulator developer got ran off because of /v/'s faggotry, the mods have seemingly banned the threads off /v/ thanks to moot's great decision of making /vg/.
Shitposters are what keeps a thread bumped. Decent discussion threads are too slow, so they fall off the bottom of the board in a couple hours.
It's a problem with 4chan's format. It's not really built to scale. Chan websites are supposed to be small. There is value in the way a large chan works, but that value is flamewars. Flamewars are part of 4chan's culture.
Perhaps there could be solutions that might help with this, but I sure as hell don't know what to do about it.
>>FFT was one of the best games of my childhood. My favorite team was three dancers and two mimics. Wiznaebus Forever and evade until 6 turns pass. GG EZ.
That shit is just a fucking blog post and is no different to x thread shit. If you want to discuss something actually start a thread with a question or something trying to create discussion not 'I LIKE X NOW LETS TALK ABOUT IT". That's general garbage. OP isn't a topic setter, he is a conversation starter. You wouldn't walk up to some random person and say I like x, would you?
>They have a responsibility to do their fucking jobs.
The only thing they are required to do is remove illegal content. Fuck, when will you guys read the rules and learn that the mods aren't required to do fuck all and have always been like this. Only the jannys are required to their job. If you guys want to complain about shit and try and fix shit, at least have some fucking idea about what you are bitching about.
>You wouldn't walk up to some random person and say I like x, would you?
I don't walk up to random people and say anything to them at all, EVER, unless I'm asking for directions and my cell phone is dead or I have no bars.
/v/ (no 4chan in general) is a pretty shitty place to ask advice for in regards to an amateur game. Terminus (spelling?) goes on /vr/'s doom threads and actively thinks it's a good place for advice and most of his recent mods pander like hell to the typical channer with the references. Also, I doubt a game called fucking yandere simulator would have much in the way of value and if it did, discussing it with /v/ would only do harm.
You are correct I never paid any attention to that game but I am not surprised that /v/ would chase someone away. A dev that listens to them is only valuable if they continue to listen to them.