California is said to be the region of America which will be hit hardest by climate change induced droughts. Its also the fruitbowl of America and the world. Why dont you guys build a pipeline from the great lakes to the West Coast.
>The Great Lakes contained 21% of the world's surface fresh water around the year 2000: 5,472 cubic miles (22,810 km3), or 6.0×1015 U.S. gallons (2.3×1016 liters). This is enough water to cover the 48 contiguous U.S. states to a uniform depth of 9.5 feet (2.9 m). Although the lakes contain a large percentage of the world's fresh water, the Great Lakes supply only a small portion of U.S. drinking water on a national basis.
Minnesotan here. Fuck right off. I live 30 miles from Lake Superior. We don't need some cancerous pussy state to suck our waters dry. Is this bait? Regardless if this were to ever happen I'd personally get as much tannerite that I could buy and I'd set damage to that pipeline in any way that I could.
FUCK OFF THATS MY CLEAN WATER THE COMMIES CAN ALL WATCH THEIR WELLS RUN DRY REEEEE
It doesn't fix the mistake of a population growing uncontrollably and then people migrating to an area that cannot supply them with enough water.
But let's keep addressing symptoms instead of causes.
bong is right here. Lake Michigan itself is already losing water because it takes in so little. The water shed area is so small, I cross the divide to get to work everyday
Oh my,, so much hatred for your west coast brehs.
I'm not talking about "climate change". And looks like I wrote "right" instead of "like".
I thought so. Where does the water on the west coast even fall after being evaporated? What happens to water that falls in the desert?
I recall Australia not too long ago had a plan to fill a dried up lake or something with salt water to make it rain inland, but I think it wouldn't work or something.
>California is said to be the region of America which will be hit hardest by climate change induced droughts
Well maybe you shouldn't put farmlands in a fucking desert
Maybe you really shouldn't put fruits and nuts that demands a lot of water in a fucking desert.
Jesus this. Californians are such assholes.
Remember when Texas was running out of water a few years ago? Californians were all giggling and talking shit. Then they run out of water and suddenly no one's allowed to make jokes anymore.
They're the god damned definition of self-absorbed assholes.
allegan michigan lifer here. my wife wants me to relocate to vegas where her familiy lives. im like my ole man though, we have the biggest fresh water source in murica, and this will one day be fought for, civiliy or othetwise.
California depends on cheap water for its agri industries to be compettitve, Desalinated water is too expensive not to mention Israel is 7 times smaller than California and its industries dont depend on cheap water.
Learn from the Soviets, it's better not to mess with your landlocked lakes or seas.
>an australian is sticking up for cali
>a foreign national
This is the problem with America. Politicians keep dividing the people to work with their agenda. Hell even Carson pointed this out in the debate. No wonder this country is seen as weak abroad. America's strength is in its unity.
Australia allows Abo-posters now? Sorry I won't take people who burn down all their forests to hunt seriously.
Makes sense desu. So basically it would be kind of trapped on the west coast.
>The state recently had to shut down seven golf courses because of the water shortage. Eight others are threatened.
>It would hundreds of years to make a dent.
That's what Californians say about immigration, regulation, and debt and now they are all fleeing the state because it's a piece of shit. Never trust Californians to do anything right.
>Build cities in areas that are historically dry.
>Be surprised when they become dry.
>Have no money because you wasted it all on shitty programs for criminals, crazies, and retards.
>Commit massive electoral fraud by trying to let illegals vote and by not deporting them so that your population grows bigger from illegals and you get more electoral votes than places that do follow the law and deport illegals.
>Mock the farmers from the Midwest endlessly as being backwards retards for not having a genderflux studies degree and being on the cutting edge of sexualfluidity.
>Now want everyone to spend millions on solving your problems for you.
How about we just let it fucking die?
The Great Lakes don't actually have 20% of the world's fresh water. The op quote specifically refers to SURFACE fresh water. There's a lot more fresh water held in non-surface reserves.
>grow water-intensive crops in the desert
>build orange groves....in the desert
>make a jewed-up city with giant lawns etc....in a desert
>zomg where is our water what's teh big deal?!
Only trade-off here is that CA faggots may want to leave their sinking ship and come to the rest of the nation--and to ruin it like they ruined their home.
2016, still cant turn salt water to fresh water, and we went to the moon and sheeit.
Ehh NYer here too,Cali should build desalination plants, pipe line will cost way too much.
People here keep saying fuck California but that is just bullshit hard. we should be helping every freaking state in OUR country whether its a shit hole like Texas or a gay haven like California.
Where still one country we should be acting like it
I've read that they managed to make it more efficient.
Dont quote me on it tho.
But Cali is hot right? I mean, i know there are installations that can work cheap if you live in the desert. A pyriamid like thing that boils it like a greenhouse.
That wez had
That wez cud sell
Sells and buys and shit
That we wuz
That we wuz almens fahmers n shit?
Let the commiefucks wither and die. We're not building a fucking pipeline longer than the transcontinental railroad just for one state.
Serves them right for being infedelic heathen scum.
come on yellowstone, kill this cancer called the west.
Bring the economy to the fresh water, coastfags. Leave the progressives behind with the saline.
Or, we'll give you the water. Take all the urban leftys from Chicago detroit twin cities. Fair trade.
That's exactly what this is about, though. If they care about the environment so much why do they want to buid a massive pipeline across the entire country? The answer is that they only care about their local environment and think the rest of the country is nothing. Come back with your 'WE ARE ALL AMERICANS' line after Californians start acting like it.
We can still grow tomatos, melons, and peaches just fine in the midwest. New Mexico and Texass grow almonds, and Alaska grows lettuce.
Fuck the Imperial valley. Fuck your golf courses in the desert.
Yeah, just change up the crops, rip up the concrete and till Detroit along with any urban area that fails because some of the best soil on the continent is right around the lakes. It's nice to dream, the clever monkey fucked up and we will just have to live with it.
If taking the salt out of salt water was easy everyone would be doing it. It's actually a failure in a simple energy equation, takes way more inputs than what you get out but Israel is a heavily subsidized state.
California shouldn't be given access to the water of other states
California should just fall into the ocean for being a den of sin
Its a desert you aren't supposed to have a massive city in those conditions
Florida here. Fucking Californians wish they where as relevant us Floridian and Texans. We are the kings of all thing agriculture and you leaving does nothing but let us grow even stronger.
Topkek. If Israel figured out a way to make cheap Desalinated water that could compete with surface water, theyd be Jewing it and selling their techs to every oil rich and water starved Arab country for a premium. They could pretty much control the middle east since everyone in that shithole has severe water security problems
I see it happening. Our oil dollar is shit, gas prices are slowly declining and that will mean less tax revenue for the gooberment to pay off its debt interest.
Canada is biggest natural resource cuck for the global market. We undersell ourselves by a wide margin since we're competing against 3rd world shitholes selling the same resources for a fraction less.
until cali falls into the sea. kek, its gonna happen one day.
Lake Erie and Ontario are heavily polluted, I wouldn't even swim in them. Michigan is likely polluted too.
Either way, it just wouldn't be energy efficient or cost effective to transport water through pipelines from the Great Lakes. They would freeze in the winter and it would require hundreds of pumping stations.
How about both you and California stay the fuck away from our Great Lakes?
I swear to God I will shit in your drinking water if you even try to siphon water from the Great Lakes and give it to the faggot ass Californians. All Californians need to die of cancer.
Califag here, despite my political views I am really invilved in the actuvities that go on here.
You have no idea how bad it is guys…
No one fucking assimilates, I know people who are openly against the USA and THEY FUCKING LIVE HERE…. Please nuke us, there is literally no hope for us… all the fun stuff we do is just a distraction drop the bomb please
Not happening. Leave the lakes how they are. This is why I think Canada should go nuclear again.
I piss and wakeboard in santa clara's water. Then go back to my yacht and desalinate my own water. Suck a dick poorfags.
All of the Great Lakes are in our territory, so it's not like they're entirely Canada's. They're as much ours as they are theirs.
Also, Canadians are a bunch of dumbasses that are selling water to Nestle for like $1 per million liters or something close to that.
Western New York, Buffalo reporting from Lake Eerie, no one around the lake will ever advocate for their water to be drained to unsustainable California. Until they learn how to better manage their water or invent a better way to create fresh water, they will either have to move out to other parts of the states or get thirsty.
This. California's water problem is everyone's problem. If they run out, those fuckers will just move. It's already happening where I live, more and more Californians every day. It's like watching The Grapes of Wrath in reverse.
California is a containment state, we need to keep them there.
Can't do that anon. Look up the Great Lakes Pact. Here I will help you.
>The agreements also ban Great Lakes water from being "diverted," or piped out of the basin with a few limited and strictly regulated exceptions.
Canada even tried to give water to Michigan after the politicians there shut down the use of it by the local residents in order to put them more firmly into slavery and save it for giving away for foreign powers.
World War 3 is being fought over water.
>Californians wish they where as relevant us Floridian and Texans. We are the kings of all thing agriculture and you leaving does nothing but let us grow even stronger.
>buying Detroit and turning it into apple land
one can dream
>California in a drought
>Pretty much the entire of central Australia has been raining for months
Would be interesting to see satellites photos of how much of Australia has turned green at the moment. Picture taken from a cattle ranch yesterday, and what that area looks like normally on google earth
That was always a fear in BC, that they will start to migrate north. Better calis fill up the valleys before pooinloo or slant eye do I suppose. I think there was talk of a north to south pipeline but let's get real, if they can drain entire rivers wtf is the point.
Because Californians use hundreds of gallons of water per day per person. The logic of pipelines is based on the consumption of oil which is closer to gallons per week. To build a pipeline that would get enough water to CA it would have to be hundreds of meters in diameter which is pretty fucking expensive and logistically difficult.
Why go such through such effort to help such a fucked state? They are already sucking us dry in every other way.
This will affect southern states too not just the cuck states by the lakes.
I have neighbors that grow appricots, apples, cherries, instead of growing some nice cacti. If you guys send that water here we will make lake superior into lake inferior in a matter of months. No one here will listen to does watering rules. Idc how much water you give California, it will not be enough.
B-b-but democrats told me only bad things are happening with the environment because evil republicans
It would be room temperature around the globe forever and no animal would ever go extinct if it wasn't for faux news and oil companies
>drain off the Great Lakes for California and Las Vegas
>giant tectonic counterweight disappears
>great caldera of Grand Canyon next to it erupts
>new ice age
>most of the planet becomes uninhabitable
The reservoirs won't refill. They're constructed to refill over long periods of time, and remain full. It could rain for the next two weeks and it won't mean dick. California will just use up the water before it can be replaced. That's why this drought is so bad, not because "lol no rain", but because it's not raining over time.
Commiefornia here. We would drain the Lakes. Like I said above, California depends on regular rainfall. Dropping a ton of water will just postpone the problem, cost millions and give people a false sense of security. Just let us fucking die so the pissant liberals move elsewhere.
This, fuck off CAfags. Long enough have we heard you laugh at us in the "Flyover States" like we're some kind of un-enlightened retards who don't want to live in the vibrant and progressive utopia of California and you just couldn't understand why we choose to live here.
Well, now you know. We have water, you know... what makes up 2/3rd of your body and what you can't go 3 days without before dying. Not only the great lakes but 10,000 natural, glacial lakes. I could walk 2 blocks and go to a lake right now. Fuck you, California, you don't get a single drop. Do what the rest of the world does and start building desalination plants, it's our water, cunts.
No thanks, El Nino has us covered.
We're getting flash flood warnings in many parts of California this weekend.
The current Debt to GDP ratio in California is under 18%.
We're actually pretty flush with money right now.
Not enough to spend it on some boondoggle pipeline, but we really don't need your advice or help right now.
there are still months left with this current el nino affecting rain/snow in california. obviously a week of rain isn't going to end the drought, but when this wet season is over the drought could be gone.
Michigander here.You can fuck right off.The lakes are the Midwest's.
We produce the lion's share of produce in this country.
Artichokes, Brocoli, Garlic, Cauliflower, Canteloupe Melons, Spinach, Tomatoes, Carrots, Celery, Lettuce, Bell Peppers, Almonds Apricots, Avocados, Strawberries, Dates, Figs, Grapes, Kiwis, Lemons, Nectarines, Peaches, Pistacios, Plums, and Walnuts.
We produce 75% (often more, up to 93%) of those crops in America. Nobody else grows much of them here.
Oh, and we also produce like 85% of the country's milk and dairy products.
So, while you won't starve without us, you will have to live on a staple of grains, corn, and meat and no fruits or vegetables or nuts until you hash out a deal with South America for export.
I know you're not wrong, but whoever decided that Michigan was part of the midwest is a fucking retard. Even our timezone is EST.
>The greatest beneficiaries, though, will be the drought-plagued state of Arizona.
See, you keep blaming california for Arizona's shit.
We used to grow all of that in the midwest. Knox county melons, georgia peaches, michigan apples, wisconsin cherries, indiana tomatos. We can plant them again. It just means meat prices will go up a little and we quit adding corn squeezins to gasoline. Win-win.
I know. I've seen first hand the kind of land you have, and how many crop trucks you have going down the road. It makes the circle-farms you see out of the airplane window look like a joke.
But you have to be smart about it. Half the shit in my grocery store is grown overseas. If you have a water problem then you'd better get to work on fixing it. Otherwise, California is the next dust bowl, and, yes, that's a reference to the Great Depression and being labeled "Oakies."
>California is said to be the region of America which will be hit hardest by climate change induced droughts.
Except the droughts they have been experiencing have been a natural decadel oscillation and nothing to do with climate change. This has been well established.
Furthermore it has also been said that climate change might make california wetter. There is no evidence that it will swing one way or another.
Where do the Ashkenazim come from anyway? Let's fund tremendous, extensive DNA research studies to find out!
Nope! You're all wrong! We never lie and "the studies" say we're right!
commiefornia running out of water. is for the best.
sucks that food prices will go up, but I don't give fucks we burgers can afford to lose 50lbs.
Most of your farmers don't remember a time when they grew those, or how to maximize yields.
They're geared for corn and grain production, they'd have to spend millions on re-structuring their farms and wait years for the trees to mature and start producing.
It would work itself out eventually, but it would be 5 years or more before California's crops would be available for a sane price again, and they'd be seasonal instead of year-round.
Also, most of California's crops are in NORTHERN California. Not the desert.
I can deal with having Florida man replace you guys.
You need to put your house in order because all of the marxist, anti-American, anti-Constitution, anti-European, anti-white propaganda is coming out of the southern half of your state and we'll see the whole state burned to the ground to stop it if we have to.
>tfw people hate my state solely because of San Fransisco
>tfw the rest of the state is basically exactly the same as every other state(except it's 100x for beautiful)
Couldn't be "free." They'd need water rights, and those are all locked up by municipalities that would charge the West out the asshole. Theres no way you could get the prices down far enough for irrigation. Besides, theres always the water level problem.
Are you stupid? The midwest is a term that has been used for hundreds of years. Its what settlers called the Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, etc area because it wasn't the east coast and it wasnt all the way west.
It's the same reason we hate Sweden even though they're 98% white. The fact that you let that pathetic minority run the show is pathetic. If it's true that San Francisco Values are in the minority, that makes you worse, not better.
Republican Californian here, this will never happen because it would bring the water rates up to the highest they have ever been.
The leftist attitude over here is because we had a drought and now have rain from El Nino that we still have to pay an increased rate for water and reduce consumption anyway.
The great lakes belong to Michigan and Michigan only. Implying we are obligated to share with filthy califucks despite not owing a cent to those faggots is more Jew than wanting to hold on to your own property.
10/10 would militia with.
I would gladly send some water to idaho or montana or so.ething, but California can fuck right off. Im not giving away my countries natural resources so some hollyqood jews can have a green lawn in a dessert and sustain a bloated population of illegal migrants and niggers.
1st its about 2000 miles or 3218.688 commie units
2nd mountains, lots of them
How about california go fuck themselves, how about that?
>i'm gonna build a 2000 mile pipe instead of desalting the pacific
>even though desalination is expensive this pipe sure isnt
You fags aren't getting one drop.
Mchigan here: Don't you touch a drop of our water you commie bastards. You chose to live in a desert shit hole with frequent earthquakes and wild fires and now you want to take our water because you thought it would be a good idea to grow rice and almonds in the middle of the fucking desert. I hope everyone in California burns.
>millions of retards choose to live in a desert
>fuggg theres no water here in the desert
>gib water plz
California is the Greece of America
I promise you will find people in Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin that will personally bomb the pipelines to destroy them.
California represents everything that is wrong with society and people in the Midwest are based enough to never ever allow our water to support a bunch of beaners and faggots and liberals that empower them.
>But Cali is hot right?
some parts are during the summer
LA area will be in the high 80s and 90s all summer
Sacramento, which is inland, is in the 90s and usually has a week straight of 100 degree days
some parts of south east California are legit deserts
the norther coast around Santa Cruz, San Francisco are pretty much never hot, i live near Sacramento and have driven down to SF on one of those 100 degree days and needed a sweatshirt in SF because after less than 90min of driving it was not only about 75 degrees
someone once said
>The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.
TL;DR the hottest parts of California aren't on the coast
I believe in distributing hate equally so fuck New York too. The only thing good about your state is also the worst part of your state. Without NYC you're as relevant as the Dakotas
>People telling California to fuck off while blissfully ignorant to how much produce and protein they produce
1st for milk, 2nd for beef, 1st for strawberries (80% of all strawberries in the US), 1st for Almonds (100% of commercial Almonds in the US, one of its top exports and 80% of the world supply), 2nd for Lettuce, 1st for Tomatoes (tied with Florida), and 3rd for Hay (enjoy billions of dollars in livestock suddenly going hungry if California doesn't have water). California is ranked as the top agriculture state in the US.
You never even had a choice, your water will be ours if it comes to it. The only states that will be safe are Iowa, Texas and Nebraska.
>tfw I live right on Lake Erie
You ain't touching muh lakes, Commiefornia.
Fuck California. They made there bed now let them lay in it. They have known for years that in dozens of aspects the west cost is a region dependent on the Rockies for fresh water.
Let them burn.
>Implying Trudeau won't hand them over on your behalf
>california telling others to gib water when they have plenty
the delta, near stockton. can't touch it because of some retarded fish. no you will not be strawing the great lakes until you fix your laws
GUYS STOP SAYING THAT CALIFORNIA IS A DESERT. JUST BECAUSE WE ARE MORE PRONE TO DROUGHT AND ATE GROWING CROPS IN INCONSISTENT REGIONS THAT DIDN'T MAN WE'RE A FUCKING DESERT.
JUST STOP HOGGING ALL THE FUCKING WATER. FUCK.
that level of retardation is behind pretty much every environmental problem we've ever faced, from extinction to climate change
>Thing X is really large/numerous, so humans can't possibly have any noticeable effect on it
Nigga my family grows their own hay for their livestock.
If anything this would cause them to grow more of it and actually use the other fields.
There are plenty of fields that lie fallow so that nutrients can replenish. If anything this would force farmers in Mich to more aggressively rotate their crops to do the same thing.
You must never have visited any other big city, because LA is the worst planned, sprawling shithole in America, even worse than Las Vegas. There's a layer of smog you can cut with a knife, you won't find that anywhere else in America. Your city's a shithole.
For the amount of money it would take to build a pipeline stretching across the entire country, they could probably just build a desalination plant on the coast of California instead to turn the salt water into fresh water.
Dont worry. Fellow minnesotan here. There are already laws on the books that prevent the great lakes from being drained. At least superior. Both mn and wi approved it... I assume Michigan too
fuck off australia
michiganfag here, those lakes are ours. and a little bit is for ohio, illinois, wisconsin, and (begrudgingly) ohio. but thats it. fuck california, fuck everyone else. come take it if you can.
>tfw you have a shit ton of water for when shit hits the fan
>all without fear of massive predators waiting to fuck your shit up
although, our governor a shit. he should be impeached and imprisoned.
>I remember in the 1990s when California wanted a pipeline from the Snake River.
>Would have deprived Montana, Oregon, Idaho, and Washington of much water.
>Californians couldn't control their water use back then
Oh look California never learned their lesson. Well on behalf of the West, Fuck off and Die.
>Thousands of miles
>Have to pump the water at any point the pipe needs to go above the surface of the Great Lakes
>Would require thousands of large pipes to even make a noticable dent in Californias drought problems
Do you have enough nuclear power plants to power the pumps required to get all of that water to California?
I think Desalination would require less energy.