(No memes) Bernie and Trump platforms discussion

I am voting Bernie for free shit. I am poor, will always be poor and so I will vote for any benefits I can get.
Just looking out for my interests, like the rich do.

Why do you not allow HRC policy discussion?

>most experience
>most support
>husband with know how

May we discuss HRC?

>>61224854
You're not rich because you're a fucking idiot.

>>61224629
I'm against taxing the rich because I like living in a 1st world nation.

>>61224868
She looks like a corpse and her lead is evaporating. Even women are voting Sanders.
Did you know her lead is evaorating faster now than it did when Obama humiliated her in 08?
Also her doing the Nae Nae i going to make her a subject of ridicule, which no politician can survive.
Just ask Jeb Bush

>>61224854
...but do you actually understand what he intends to try and give you (vs what he'll actually be able to get through congress)?

>>61224868
no

>>61224922
Maybe, the meritocracies we've built in the west aren't exactly what they say they are.

>>61224922
Smart enough to vote for free shit.

Bernie.

We've tried to bring the country up by raising those already at the top for the past 35 years or so.

Guess what; didn't work.

Bring up the bottom. Make that level playing field so very, very high, no other country could touch the standard of living of our absolute poorest people.

That is how you "Make America Great Again".

>>61225037
I dont care, I will get something especially considering Thomas and Scalia getting ready to die.
Once we get the courts the legislature is an inconvenience.No one is more powerful than the Supreme Court

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>>61224629

Platforms are irrelevant. All that matters is pic related.

>>61225092
Isn't trump basically gonna do the same thing, except without as many of dem programs?

voting and volunteering for Bernie because i want a decent tax reform and cannot stand how horribly corrupt our political system and is the only person who will actually put a supreme justice who will overturn citizens united.He is authentic and realistic.and HILLARY IS A GOODDAMED BACKSTABBING WHORE

bernie voter. Our family would pay $1200 more a year in taxes under his plan,

BUT we would save over $5000 a year in medical costs.

Only Jill Stein has a more competitive plan.

>>61225227
Nope. Everything he wants is to strengthen those already at the top further, and make the poorer worse off.

Same policies that the Bush idiots did.

>>61225227
You ned the gov to do it, businessman are the most untrustworthy fucks in America. They are scum who refuse to pay a living wage.

>>61224854
>I am voting Bernie for free shit. I am poor, will always be poor and so I will vote for any benefits I can get.
>Just looking out for my interests, like the rich do.

First post best post

I have no sources or anything like that. I like Trump because he seems like a modern day Teddy Roosevelt, a figure with the balls to inspire people to action and the gravity to make his enemies shit themselves. Three aspects make me feel he'd be a great president: 1)He's not a gentleman so he doesn't back down when oressured or cornered 2)He's a shrewd businessman who knows how to get the ball rolling on major projects, and he definitely wants a more productive and improved America 3)and finally he's an egomaniac who considered his image so important that he will do everything he can to be the greatest president possible. He cares more about his legacy than money, which is saying a deal.

>>61225353
that's the smart move.

Bernie's problem is simple: smarter people tend to make more money. People with more money will vote for Trump or Jeb.

People with less money will vote for the better liar and will lose more money, as usual.

So Bernie loses no matter what.

>>61225354
just off yourself you fucking welfare leech

>>61225014
716 people per 100,000 in prison, second only to north korea
life expectancy outside of cities is lower than algeria and bangladesh
crumbling infrastructure (one in nine bridges are structurally deficient)
typical resident thinks they are living in an amazing utopia compared to other countries due to being fed propaganda about the rest of the world

>1st world?

Bernie already released his plan to fund all his measures
If he succeeds he'll crash the economy with no survivors with his retarded tax on stocks
But he won't succeed with that because literally every lobby should be against that

>>61225471
The issue s that the middle class is gone and those people that ued to be conservative when times were god are now liberals when the wolves came to the door
Easy to be conservative when you have food, a job and money to blow.
>>61225514
There are tens of millions like me, more being made every day as wages plummet and obs disappear. I hope this ends wit mass executions of the 1%

You can't have European style socialism in America without tearing apart what is left of state's rights.

2016 will decide whether America is still America.

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I've been supporting trump in polls because he is anti establishment and HRC seems to have dems locked up at the time. If Sanders actually makes it to the generals I'm voting for him though, he will actually fix health care so it's not as ridiculously expensive and I want weed to be legalized.

>>61225698
I hope not, we have enough cash to give benefits until after I am dead and since I am too selfish to care for anyone else there is no chance of kids I really dont give a fuck what happens when I am gone.
Same reason I oppose carbon taxes, I don't want t pay more for electricity and what happens to the planet doesn't matter to me.

>>61225471
That was the case 100 years ago but now instead of the smartest people making money it's more that people are born into wealth.

>>61225817
>he will actually fix health care so it's not as ridiculously expensive

hahahaha just you wait

>>61225649
>easy to be a conservative when you have time and money to blow
This, fucking entitled little pricks. Having a real middle class is better than the hell we have now.

>>61225605
And that's the crux of why I'm voting Bernie.

Yeah, it'll be a ton of New Deal style jobs. That's... not such a bad thing, really. Infrastructure is something we all use, after all.

Between the two, Bernie would most likely push stuff like net nutrality, and buildouts of proper fiber networks for all, along the lines of rural electrification and the original phone lines.

Better roads, better telecommunications infrastructure, a healthcare system that actually may do something, and a push toward equality for all.

My biggest worry about Bernie getting elected is that he's gonna have a fucking stroke 8 months in and keel over from the stress. Guy's what, 312 years old or so?

Hate to say it, I want to know who is running mate is; that's the person who'd actually serve most of the term.

>>61225997
>Hate to say it, I want to know who is running mate is; that's the person who'd actually serve most of the term.

It's Warren, your braindead college kids are dumb enough to have Warren be one more bernie-hernie away from the presidency

>>61225649
the middle class is plentiful. it's one paycheck away from becoming poor, is all.

The poor are not affected by either candidate. The rich really aren't much either. So that leaves the aging middle and upper middle classes, who still pay taxes and whose biggest cost is still health care. These voters would take Bernie in a heartbeat if they bothered to see what he was offering. yeah, they'd pay some more in taxes but save a ton in medical. That is Trump's target bloc, and he has engaged them in their primal fears.

It's a brilliant move that will let them happily lose more money to the wealthy in order to make them feel a little safer.

>>61225910
I pay just under 300 a month now, once we have a single payer system I will actually be able to live a decent life with less stress.

>>61225698
Thank you Kaneda. Socialism would never work regardless because the billionaires aren't going to just sit and watch the government take 80% of their earnings. For what, so immigrants can come and live off their blood, sweat and tears? There's no more sense of national pride in America among the poor, so why would the rich even consider parting with their earnings? You can't invest in America's younger lower class, they have absolutely zero work ethic or drive to improve anything more than their own social status is as cheap a way as possible.

Yeah, I'm not sure who you expect to hand out all their goods and services for free among the major corporations.
You don't see the super pac commitment to Bernie for a reason. He might be anti-big business but who personally do you know will work for free?

>>61226155
but Congress will never let that happen. The didn't in Obama's first term and they won't next year no matter what.

>>61226109
I'm unsure if the Buffet would sign on with the Bern. Would make for catchy campaign slogans, though.

I fear he'll go stupid and put clinton in that slot, as a way to snatch the snatch vote. Bad fucking plan, though.

Honestly, he'd be better off grabbing one of the Libertarians with a good head on their shoulders, or even someone like Powell; an old school Republican that actually sees how this shit show actually works.

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>>61226218
The super pacs have put all their money into that autist Jeb.

The people have put their money into Bernie.

Well then...

Enjoy the misogynistic circle jerk.

I had notepad ready to go, but whatever.

I need to arrange some maps for door to doors in minority areas tomorrow.

Maybe one day you will wake up and see that Hillary is the only one who stands for the average Joe.

>>61225817
health care will always be expensive. its just a matter of who is paying for it. "free" healthcare is not really free

>>61226222
So what? Easy fix: Next President gets to appoint 1/3 of the SC in the net 4 years.2 of those will be conservatives. One you have a majority you can just run a case to the friendly SC that will force redistricting supervised by the federal courts.
The only reason the GOP contros the house is because they control state legislatures and have gerrymandered themselves into a majority.
Control of the courts fix that

>>61225817

Why not vote for Sanders? Trump is already going to get the Republican nom.

>>61226397
And that's a horrible thing.

Slash and burn budget doesn't work in a government. It destroys lives.

>>61226397
A death sentence for the middle class.

but enjoy your meme candidate.

>>61226486
He drinks maple syrup and eats free paicillin for breakfast. He has no dog in the fight, and just wants to watch the world burn from across the no-touchy zone.

Y'all niggas posting in a Trump thread

>>61226486

Could you explain? They're lower.

>>61226594
That's the problem.

You slash the budget. Great. Poor Joe blow has an extra $13 on his paycheck. He can't do anything with it, because just living costs more. Zero support from anywhere. He literally can't raise himself out of the gutter.

>>61226293
Not only can trump not win more than likely any GOP candidate cant win. 53% of th enations births are to single mothers and the majority of kids receive benefits tat the GOP attacks.
Tack on the sharp decline in Protestanism ( America is now a majority Catholic nation) migration and demographic changes (hence why attacking Hispanics is a disaster in the short and long term) and th fact Blacks and Gays will never vote for them ( Spotting the Dems 16% of the population out of the gate, mainly in Urban centers)
and I just dont see where you get your numbers from.

>>61226397
Bullshit, I made 32K last year and payed 25% of it in taxes. Must be including averages for single mothers and minority tax breaks.

>>61226397
Paid for by fantasies.

>>61226333
>>61226333
So it make sense for the majority of us to soak the rich since it is in my interests to have healthcare.

>>61226397
You cant have Swedish levels of government wit Somali levels of funding

>>61226682
I was talking more ideology than numbers.

I don't think Buffet aligns well with Bernie, is all. I made some guesses based on his previous stances on things, but I'm open to being wrong.

I made a few wild stabs in the dark based on what I'd personally like to see.

Has nothing to do with poll numbers, but rather policy and ideological standpoints.

>>61224629
If its bernie vs trump you can bet your ass ww3/national crisis/martial law will be implemented.

The jews will not let their control be lost.

>>61226669

>He can't do anything with it, because just living costs more.

Are you trying to say living costs will go up because everyone will get a little more from their paycheck?

>>61225884

>implying being born into such an environment hinders your ability to become successful
>implying if i plant 8 walnut trees for my great great grandchildren to eat walnuts you should be allowed to come and take them all because your great great grandpa was addicted to heroin

>>61225949
Welfare doesn't create a middle class. Also middle class is a meme to throw political messages at those who have lived subpar lives and turned into consumer slaves.

>>61226887
You take money from the big bad government.

Now, big bad government can't afford to keep the roads and bridges up. So they fall to shit (as they have for the past 30 or so years).

Big companies come in, and offer to fix the roads, so they can put tolls up everywhere.

Costs Joe poorman $20 in road use fees just to get to work every 2 weeks now. He's out $7/week.

One simplistic example.

>>61226297

The people only have to gain what the big donors stand to lose.
It's like the people are mad they got their education with a loan they can't pay, their cars with loans for depreciating assets, their houses on massive loans, etc...
The list goes on with credit cards and mutual funds and health care and insurance.

Then they wonder why the financial institutions are having great years despite themselves constantly "struggling" with all their debt.

Who is really feeding the Banker beasts?
The people that can't get themselves out of their own holes they dug.

The circle of stupidity of people is pathetic.

>>61226304
If you are so ingrained into the ideals of your candidate why don't you join the discussion?

Is it that you fear you maybe wrong?
This is one of the reasons why people hate Hillary. The supporters are too brainwashed to think differently

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>>61225605
I live in a rich place full of nice white and Vietnamese people.

>>61226711
>tfw made 150K and paid almost none

>>61226879
>>61226887
He means Food STamps.46 million Americans get food stamps, in addition 20% of all children are on food assistance.
Are these people ok with starving children in our streets? The massive unrest and damage would outweigh the tax benefits. Anyone with a 6th grade education knows that food shortages always precede mass social upheaval.

>>61227177
>implying you have a dog in this fight
>sucks maple syurp directly from ultra-liberal Trudeau

>>61224854
Do you have a job?

>>61227177
Look at Trump. America will soon be 25% Hispanic.
The GOP spots the Dems the blacks (13%) the gays (4%) an the majrity of the hispani vote (~22%)
So, they give up 39% of the vote every single election. Add n Single moms (53% of all births)raising the next generation and you realize that Trump is destroying the GOP.

>>61227381
I wait tables. I get a lt of cash, I claimed 12 k but made about 25.Add in free utilities and food and I live pretty well.
Own a house and rent out the back bedrooms to pay my mortgage but I dont tell the Gov about it,

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>>61226463
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>>61226735

if you diminished programs and reduced subsidies in an effort to living costs.

re-introduction of factories would increase the costs of luxury goods in america. quality over quantity.

if the gov't rid itself of higher end employees and offer volunteer work programs for construction/school it could afford to build roads etc. prison labor could also be viable as a program for rehabilitation.

is increasing taxes the only method of the gov't creating revenue and managing its labor resources?

>>61226919
>implying wealth is a measure of success

More money doesn't make you happier it just gets you more stuff. Money is useful as fuck and you need it to live, but everyone can't live with multimillionaire levels of excess.

People are what make me happy. Not arbitrary units of social value.

>>61227381
Not the poster, but I'll answer it this way:

I don't fucking care if he has a job or not. I want him living like I live. I want a 1-bedroom apartment in a safe neighborhood with enough food for him to get ameri-fat on to be available, even if he's an unemployed pile of shit.

Know why? Because if that's the minimum, I will always be fine. I will never be 'without'. And since I'm employed and do make fair cash, I have nothing to worry about, I'll still be better off than him.

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I'm not too sure trumps lax tax break will work well with his plan of making the military stronger.

It happened under bush where he cut taxes but spent a shitload of money - being 1 cause for the huge debt.

I haven't put too much thought into bernies plan of collecting taxes. From what I understand.

Say I make 370,000 and under one cap of 360,000 i would keep my money tax free.

But that 10,000 left over would be taxed right?
Let's assume he keeps his promise from that second dem debate and keeps the tax around 70(realistic enough in my opinion where he wants it to be)

So 3,000 would not be taxed?

So of my 370,000 only 7,000 gets taxed?

That doesn't seem right to me. Someone help explain it to me because that would not work to supplement his government programs.

>>61227521
Ok, how are we going to get these factories?

>>61226397
How is taxing people less going to reduce the (18 trillion dollar) deficit? This is one of the most unanswered questions I see from conservatives/republicans, and I'd appreciate an honest answer free from any memes. I'm willing to change my view since I don't really care either way.

>>61227177
>commie

His ideology is fundamentally incompatible with communism.

>>61225065

UNDERRATED POST.

I want to try to make an appeal to Bernie supporters as a Trumpfag.

You say you want "free shit". Okay. Watch this clip real quick:

https://youtu.be/jbzTyhIv2B8?t=159

Notice, first, how is sounds a lot like Trump today. But notice how he doesn't divorce the idea of renegotiating trade deals with other countries, and investing that newfound money into our own.

The one thing Trump has most consistently stood for; the one thing he simply cannot be impeached on, is that he truly believes that he is such a good negotiator that he can razzle dazzle deals out of world leaders and generate jobs and trade surpluses enough to be able to fund the programs you guys want, while also not taxing the American people. why the hell should we tax away our own jobs when we can just take shit from other countries? I mean what the fuck, right? It's the win-win we've always wanted. We just have to be dicks to the rest of the world a little to get it. So what? They're dicks to us!

You get your "free shit" or some of it anyway, and you don't have to tax the shit out of your own people for it.

It's imperialism. And it's great! That is what will make us great again! Come join the Trump train.

>>61226293
I think that other guy meant elizabeth warren.

>>61227643
Better question is how he will fund his army to deport people with reduced taxxes

>>61227648
>wants top keep the benefits of capitalism
>undermines the accumulation of capital

every single time

>>61227713
still peddling this old bullshit?

>>61227643
I think you, like most people, are conflating deficit and debt.

It's a 'good' thing to have some national debt. That's money in the hands of Americans and other countries. That's' investment in the country, a good thing. I agree it could be a bit high, right now, and would like to see it go down a little... but not by much.

Deficit is going outside of a given budgetary cycle. Like you buying pokemon cards and then running up your credit card to pay the rent.

Deficit isn't all super terrible, either. Provided the incomming investments into the country cover it.

>>61226304
>misogynistic
>notepad
top fucking kek

>>61227578

i was operating under the impression that america has lot of sunken infrastructure capital that is currently being unused/underused.

the cost of re-purposing them would depend on their modifications. the idea, at least for me, is to recreate a division of labor workforce.

no one is farming and is becoming increasingly automated. menial tasks allow people to develop a work ethic.

>>61227643

the 18 trillion in debt is a good question. federal land could likely be developed in such a way that revenue could be obtained lessening the burden on the tax payer. this would entail some environmental damage tho.

>>61227643
Those are just tax brackets. Look at the rest of his tax plan. It's more than just changing the percentages.

>>61227934
How's the tim horton's ey dere, don' 'cha kno'.

hitler may of been right.

>>61226222
>but Congress will never let that happen. The didn't in Obama's first term and they won't next year no matter what.
but they said they wouldn't let obamacare through

these things happen in increments

Bernie's gonna bring us the next increment

>>61228005
Great idea. How are we going to pay for it with lower taxes like Trump wants?

>>61227109
The OP won't allow Hillary posts.

And I am not a fascist bully like Trump and co.

>>61225605
Third world population=Third world country

But America is huge some places are literally Africa some mexico other places are the nicest you will ever see.

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>>61227177
>Implying that an actual discussion on politics on a politics board is not allowed.

Fuck you are retarded, or underage or both
Pic related

>>61224629
>implying bernie is legitimate competition for Emperor Trump
This thread reeks of jew
sage
fuck off bernie shills
He is nothing more than a dirty scheming jew with the end goal of destroying western culture

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>>61228140
>cuckservatives THIS assblasted

I wasn't gonna vote for bernie but now I will

>>61228268
Care to actually contribute, or just spam stupidity?

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>>61228221
BAN HIM BAN HIM

>>61228275
Serious question, adult to adult.
Where will the trump numbers come from? What is his path to victory?

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>>61228391
this is what actual trump supporters look like

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>>61228061

pay for the re-purposing?

the idea is that a private company would be interested in returning to america to invest the money. didn't apple have something to the tune of billions of funds overseas in that they avoided paying taxes for in america?

if not the gov't could use land resources from federal land to cover costs.

if you are getting at a point that companies will not return to america b/c of lower costs in other countries than i understand that.

america could just fuck'em and see what new companies in america could develop.

america could have the chance to re-define their standard of living. that's either good or bad.

are you suggesting that taxing your populace is the only way for the gov't to effectively raise funds?

>>61228423
I've found them to be about as intelligent, as well.

Look, I'm happy to be shown I'm wrong. Clinton is untrustworthy; Bernie actually does what he says he'll do. Voting record proves it.

The whole Republican field looks like the streets of India; human shit every 5 feet.

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>>61228524

You bought a 4chan pass so you can spam memes on a politics board

Seriously how old are you?
What are you doing with your life?

>>61228579
This is exactly why mommy shouldn't drink when she's pregnant. They do stuff like this, and vote Trump.

Probably still prays to magic sky genies, too.

>>61227911
Okay. I still stand by the debt is increasing and doesn't really show signs of decreasing , so I still don't see how how taxing people less is going to alleviate this.

>>61228023
I just took a (very) quick look at the tax plan he has on his website, but it just points to further reducing taxes in other ways; including reducing/eliminating income tax and, and this is the part I'm actually baffled by, he wants to eliminate a death/estate tax.

Why would is being against any form of an estate tax a good thing? Couldnt he just tax inheritances of, like, $100k and over? I mean, why would the general public be in favour of letting the rich pass on their assets to their kin, which can be thought of as 'free stuff'?

Sorry if I sound like a biased left-winger, I'm really trying to not to be.

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>>61228358
I'm not a political expert
But it seems like a lot of people like Trump
including minorities (the good ones)
asian, mexican
there are a lot more conservative gays than you would imagine
But does it matter?
Really only the swing states matter
I'm confident that undecideds are not going to fall for the jew propaganda of bernie
have you heard the guy talk
its obvious he cannot be trusted

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Let's make /pol/ great again and ban this faggot. Every report counts.

>>61228597
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>>61228713

If you actually knew how to use this website you would sage instead of bumping the thread you fucking retarded-newfag

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im voting for Trump just for the lulz and to piss off libfags

>>61227045

I'm no budget expert, but the federal roads are paid for by the gas tax. They've been a problem even with a Democrat in office with the big budget we have now.

I'm not saying the GOP are angels and I don't really see a solution to the problem, but there's a lot of things we pay for that should go towards roads instead, like relocating refugees.

>>61227176

This is why I don't like Republicans in general when they attack food stamp recipients.

Wow!!!!

So in your misogynist rage you ban Hillary talk, yet welcome the Trump spammers?

Learn anything?

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>>61228676
>too dumb to concede to the overwhelming evidence of God
>has fallen for the shit spread by jews in our culture

>>61228688
As I said, debt isn't all that bad of a thing. I think it's a touch high, a little inflated, but I fully admit it may be someone 'on the inside' looking at the flaws, and sort of glossing over the good parts.

I'd like to see it a bit lower, but not by much. It keeps the dollar value high across the world, which gives me hella good buying power.

>>61228826
Tell me about the overwhelming evidence of god buddy :)

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>>61228823

Get all wrecked fag

>>61228688

How the fuck do you justify a death tax at all? Not only is it a gross fucking injustice to say that you can spend your whole life establishing yourself, raising yourself from whatever station you were in, and then your kids can just get fucked by the government for it, but also, everything in an estate has already been taxed.

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>>61228832

>canuckfag still isn't banned

What the fuck is this mods?

>>61228826

>overwhelming evidence

Reach harder faggot.

>shit spread by jews
>by jews
>atheism spread by jews
>atheism spread by theists

>>61228823
seriously fuck off, listen to canuck
no one here is misogynist, where did you image this? How could you have possibly dreamed this up? Obvious shill
0/10

>>61228699
>claim is a lot of people like trump
>posts map with the only states favoring him are shit hole low population areas
>numbers below show while 'close', the country still leans democrat

Stay classy.

Canadian shitposting is pathetic. The try way too hard to be like Australia.

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>>61228932
weak

>>61225817
Lol faggot still thinks a politician is going to make his life better / gives a fuck about him.

>>61228823
>implying that there somehow a control over what everyone posts

Fuck off

>>61229007

Sorry.

Mods please keep this rabid shitposter under control.

>>61229055

Kek.

>>61229016

>no source
>no evidence for god or atheism being spread by jews

Weaker.

>>61227643
Because if you let people spend and invest their own money instead jewing them with a centralized government communist schemes,
they will produce more wealth and in turn deposit more revenues into the government coffers

But our debt will never be paid back, see the actual level of discourse in the thread for an example

>>61229007
At least you Aussie lads post actual good content in your shitposts...

These fucking leafs just spam shit that isn't even funny or informative.

I promise you guys....

Should I become president one day...

We will carpet bomb canada to hell.

>>61228883
Another reason i'm not a fan of anything coming from the right.

Magic sky faries outweigh real problems. I should trust them because.... why?

>>61228688
Sorry, I forgot to emphasize, that I didn't like how unspecific he was in paying for all these reduced/eliminated taxes. He mentions closing loopholes twice, which seems like it'll be a lot of work and really obvious, but will it really pay for a ~-10-15% reduction of overall taxes across the board?

>>61228839
Okay, I think I understand. I looked at thedebts of many other countries, and a lot of them are slightly bettter, but not by much, so I guess I'll take your word on it then.

But then, watching the Republican debate last night, the candidates (well, mostly Marco) were attacking Obama about how he ruined the country economically, and mostly referred to the debt. Does this mean they were mostly wrong?

>>61229042
It's just a shitpost....

Relax, sheep fucker

>>61226293
>>61227810
This small miscommunication has my sides in orbit

>>61228907
When, pray tell, do you think the 'death tax' kicks in?

How much do you think you have to make before that becomes 'a thing to worry about', do you think?

Serious question, here.

>>61229147
>singapore
Why do i care what you think, research for yourself, there is obviously God and the Frankfurt school is at work destroying our values. I'm too dumb/lazy to force feed it to you, you are too dumb/lazy to figure it out for yourself.

You win!!! They all left dude!!!!

>>61228688
I guess you think of life like its some kind of video game, you think that somehow its desirable for every to start the same and you think using the force of government can achieve this

You have justified any of these claims

You need to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg

You have a morally repugnant worldview - but worst of all it makes us all poorer

>>61229401

>>provide proof
>lol research for yourself

SJW-tier argument. God doesn't exist. Get the fuck over it you faggot.

>>61229016
Hahahahaha

Maybe you should try learning about these things instead of getting all your world knowledge from an iconographic image you found on the internet.

>>61229329
It doesn't matter at all, I don't want central governments stealing people's money because they are arrogant enough to believe that they are smarter investors than the people that created it

>>61228907
That's the thing. I'm totally against an estate tax on the middle class, for example on a family who wants to leave like, $50k to their kids, or something.

But why should estates that are, like $500k not be taxed? Let's say the rate is 50%, that's still $250k you're leaving to your kids; isn't that enough for them to enjoy a comfortable jumpstart in life anyways? I mean, most people on this board are against free stuff anyway (as am I, except for health care), so why should high priced estates be any different?

>>61229546
learning about what things?

So a question about Bernies plans, what stops the top 1% of people from just leaving the US so they don't have to pay the high taxes that hes been promoting?
I'd think many people would leave instead of paying it.

>>61229159
We tried that. For 35 some odd years. It just resulted in the smallest, weakest middle class, a few oligarchs at the top, and a massive increase in the poorest of the poor.

>>61229147
Do research on the Frankfurt school on your own poland

>>61229536
>God exists. Get the fuck over it you faggot.
How is your argument any better than mine?

>>61229764
They can go but if they try to take what the cash we freeze their assets.

Mods, stop being lazy faggots and do your goddamn job.

>>61229779

>damage control

You have no proof and you know it. Why the fuck should I do your job for you?

>>61229807

Burden of proof lies on you, retard.

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posts the same thing in twenty second intervals

>3 posts per minute

would take one hour and forty minutes to spam thread until limit. this canadian dude really wants this thread to hit 300.

>>61229856
I refuse to believe theres an actual person sitting there doing this

>>61229226
The way to look at debt is this:

I 'believe' in the united states. So, i buy a bond. It cost me $25 now, will mature at $50 in 10 years or whatever.

The government just took on a $50 debt. That's how it's counted. It's me investing in my country, and them paying me to do so, though.

China holds a ton of our debt, which I'm a little upset about. As I said, I'd like it to be a little smaller, but not by much. honestly, I'd like to just see it 'more spread out', than sitting in the hands of so few countries.

>>61229837
Is that possible? They'd fight tooth and nail to get their money out. Would be interesting to see how that plays out at least if bernie was elected.

>>61229955
>>61229948


Report the faggot.

>>61229318
Yeah. I kinda realized it after the fact too. Sat here going... wait, what? Then realized some of these idiots have rather similar names heh

>>61224922
Intelligence is different from hard work. Hard work is what determines success, not intelligence.

>>61229968
Hey, thanks for explaining this to me, I actually learned something today, and I appreciate your patience with me.

>>61229913
Not really, I told you I don't care what you think. I'm just saying that God exists. It's my belief. Your belief is that God doesn't exist. It's your belief and neither of us have proof and you're and idiot and jews are evil.

Wonder if the faggot is even sageing.

>>61229778
Um, no we have a government spending all the middle classes' prosperity on war, welfare, and socialism

We have a private bank creating our currency for 90 years

We've trampled the constitution

We've turned into a democracy

We need to fire about 75% of the federal government and around 75% less people voting too.

>>61230161

>belief

Once again, it's a little bit more than a belief if you can't prove your magic man is real.

>>61224854
Thank God hillary has the nom bought and paid for then.

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Its currently about 2am in Canada, it's the weekend so lots of time to hang out with your friends, you could've been doing exciting things and had a fun filled night but instead you waste away on a Vietnamese drawing forum

>>61230172
I encourage you to look into the other argument, seriously, because it's your soul on the line. I was an athiest/agnostic for most of my life, so i looked at your point of view too.

>>61229584
The 'death tax' you defend so well protects the top 1000 or so people in the country, or some such tiny number. It's literally the kardashians and the trumps that benefit from it.

And, they still will. Most of the savings will still go to heirs. Some of it, though, that they made thanks to the infrastructure in place, will go back to the country that maintained that infrastructure, safety nets, etc. that allowed them to make that fortune.

>>61230289

If your god even was real, he's an asshole and I'd rather burn for eternity.

>>61229764
The best question is where, exactly, would they go?

Everywhere else is still 'worse' for them, tax wise. Or if it's 'better' for them tax wise, they live in Somalia or some other such shithole with zero infrastructure that they are accustomed to.

Posting in an epic thread

>>61229968
Name one (1) reason why a debt is good

It might at BEST be neutral, neither good nor bad

It's never GOOD

>>61229807
You have made a positive claim. You have stated there is a magic sky fairy.

I request proof of this claim.

>>61230348
Once again, that is very closed minded. That's what i thought too, but it's not so. We, mankind, are the assholes.

>>61229461
But that's not what I said; I never said I wanted everyone to start on the same ground. I'm totally okay with people wanting to leave money to their kids.

But there's a difference between a middle class family leaving their retirement leftovers to their kids versus some millionaire leaving $10M in assets to their children, and then the kids living easy for the rest of their lives. If we taxed 50% of that 10M, we would not reduce the quality of life for the upper kids by much, but would obtain a decently significant amount of tax revenue.

>>61229955
you underestimate the autism. How long have you been here?

>>61230523

>close-minded

No. The only close minded one here is the one who has logic go out the window when it's convenient. You could not have drank the kool-aid any faster.

>>61230475
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+god+exist
dive into the interwebz and form your own opinion/beliefs

>>61230675
I'm open-minded

>>61230291
First of all, that's completely not true, it effects farmers and small businesses you retard

2nd of all I didn't even read your post'

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the accumulation of capital

That's where investments come from. You know those investments that increase economic productivity and raises the standard of living

Yeah, how about we don't undermine that process

>>61230789

My ass you are. Like I said, you're throwing logic out the window.

>>61227549
Trump's tax plan comes alongside getting rid of loopholes. The majority of taxes comes from the wealthy already, and the rates and laws currently incentivize finding ways around actually paying. Sure, it's a lower tax rate on paper, but higher than what is actually paid now.

>>61230825
I'm listening to your opinion and considering it. The literal definition of open minded.

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he did it the absolute madman

were the random characters at the end to avoid getting marked as spam?

>good nite sweet prince

>>61230825
Here's logic, a basic argument for the existence of God. We know that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, right? Newtons third law of motion. We also 'know' that the universe began by with a big bang. What action caused the reaction that was the big bang?

>>61230161
A positive claim, in this case "God Exists" requires some sort of proof, even internal.

The neutral position (no sky fairies due to no proof) does not require extra proof for some reason.

>>61230857
Has Trump been specific as to how much money closing these loopholes would generate? Or which one's he's planning on closing?

I'm not denying that there are probably tons of bullshit loopholes all over the place, but do they really add up to something sustainable with the cuts he's planning on making? It just seems really vague; but I might be wrong.

>>61230289
>positive claim of the existance of a 'soul'
Please define, and provide proof.

>claims atheism is a point of view
That's a poor understanding of the term. It's a neutral position on the positive claim that 'god exists' and that 'religion x is correct'.

To change an atheist's mind simply requires proof. Please provide it, to substantiate and ground the claims you have made.

>>61230464
It shows confidence in the person or group taking on the debt.

If you lend me $50, it shows you believe I will pay you back, with interest.

>>61231125
>>61231316
>*tips fedora*

>>61230548
What does society gain when we the government steals the 5m in your example?

Because we have undermined savings that could have been used to make investments that will make the world a better place.

I know you think you can make better investments than the heirs that are "living it easy"

But why do you assume that? Do you have any evidence that government is better at creating wealth than the very people that created it in the first place?

You are undermining capitalism, at least give a good reason for it.

We all know that the government blunders money, and I doubt you'd even deny that. So how about keeping government small and stop stealing.

>>61230523
Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

Your claim is that a magic sky fairy rules over us all, knows all, and controls all, and is all powerful.

Please, enlighten me how a 2 year old with cancer is somehow a 'net positive'. How a starving child anywhere is a 'good'. How a single murder of an innocent person for their wallet is a benefit.

If these things are allowed to happen, at all, then your diety has a great deal to answer for, to me.

>>61230682
>Request simple positive proof of the claim of a god.
>go find it yourself

Does this imply you do not have proof?

>>61231564
>what is free will
We live in a broken world
To die is gain
What are the alternatives?

>>61231406
Confidence isn't really an asset, but at least its a decent answer and lets me understand your position

>>61231058
"I don't know yet" is far more tenable position than "god did it".

"god did it" stops further inquiry. It halts progress.

Any time society has inserted god at some point in the 'going back' puzzle, it's been found to be wrong.

Please, tell me how the stop of inquiry is somehow a 'good' thing in scientific endeavors.

>>61231411
Meh.

The meme is cute and all, but it's far more simplistic than that.

Give me positive, falsifiable proof of the existance of any of these claims. I'll be happy to study and understand from there.

I've been asking for this for over a decade, and I've still not been given anything outside of weird circular "if god exists then god exists" arguments.

>>61231639
>simple positive proof that God exists.
The most serious question anyone will face, and you want simple proof. You're really being an asshole, and showing why most everyone who isn't an atheist really does not like atheists.

Lets start with Jesus. He is proof that God exists, because he was God. There is ample proof that Jesus existed, I'm not even going to get into that. The real question is was he really God. Simple proof? there is none. He performed miracles that were well documented and witnessed. People who were just like you and me, not really sure about this whole thing, picked up and followed Him, and by the end of His life, they were ready to die for Him and His cause. Obviously none of this proof is going to be good enough for you, because you weren't there, it could be made up stories, you didn't see for yourself, etc.I'm just sharing why i believe. I can continue with logical arguments if you are interested, but I should warn you, a central theme of Christianity is faith. There is no 'concrete' evidence. It is a leap of faith. There would be no point to it if there was no risk we had to take.

>>61231680
>Free will
I'd like to point you to the works of Dan Dennett and Sam Harris.

Between the two of them, the whole concept of 'free will' is basically a bit of a misnomer. Given high enough computing power and proper data input, it should be possible to predict reaction with perfect accuracy. As it stands right now, even without 'perfect' input and computing speed, we get within a frighting margin of error in pre-simulation given accurate input.

You are a deterministic computer, not a free-willed entity Just like every other animal on this planet.

>>61231822
But it is a possibility that God did it?

>>61229631
Dude fuck you, people work hard for that money and there's no reason they shouldn't be able to pass it on to their kids.

>>61232197
>you're really being an asshole
No, not really. Should you claim you have an elephant in your garage, I'd like to see it. Same difference.

>Jesus
Mythical character cobbled together from folklore and stories of disparate religious dogmas of before. Got it.

>Jesus is proof god exists.
The non-existent Jew that was only written about ~70 years after his supposed existance and not written about at all by anyone contemporary to him? There's zero proof of his existance outside a single, cobbled together by committee book. If that's proof, that's a fail.

>no simple proof
Alrighty then. So you're willing to take up the default position, as the rest of the sensible world has?

>>61232271
Is it possible monkies will fly out of my butt in the next 2 seconds?

Given an infinate list of possiblities, yes. The probability of such an event is so close to zero, for all purposes of discussion, it is zero.

There's no use splitting hairs when it gets that small, especially on a claim so grand and big as is made in 'god'.

So, i can confidently say that no, there is no possibility that god did it.

Again, please provide positive proof for the existance of the magic sky fairy. Please.

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>>61225065

I fucking hate how accurate this post is.

>>61228282
nah you probably were gonna vote Bernie, and if a cannuck spamming memes is enough to sway your vote one way or another, I don't think you really should be voting.
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at least you are bumping the thread with your 4chan pass and cancer

>>61232583
His mom either took away his keyboard, or it's tendies time.

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>>61232414
Wait, you don't even believe Jesus was a real person? Wow. Jesus was a real person,whether you believe he was a deity or not. That's like saying that Julius Caesar wasn't real, or Shakespeare, or Alexander the Great. And it's debatable that he was a Jew.
He was written about by his followers. By people who live with him for years. nice meme. Do some research.

>>61232554
I can't give you positive proof in the sense that you are asking for. Is being a Christian all that bad though? What if God doesn't exist? I live my life according to a boo that teaches me to be better, and I improve my life. Not really any loss, other than persecution by people like you. A lot to gain and not much to lose. But if God does exist, on the other hand, and I live my life as if He did not, I have a lot to lose and not much to gain. Why do you want me to believe there is no God exactly? I will never believe that again, so you know, but why? What am I doing wrong?

>>61232567
Here's the thing, I will gladly support mom and baby. I want baby to grow up and be better than mom.

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>>61232928

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>>61232897
>Jesus was a real person
Proof, please. Again, positive claim, and the only 'proof' is a series of scrolls written ~70 years later, cobbled together into a book, by a committee some couple hundred years after that.

Please show me another source document that does this.

>I can't give you positive proof in the sense that you are asking for.
Righto then. I live in the real, physical world. I am acted upon by real, physical things. Since there is no proof, by your own admission, I will continue to conduct myself as if the magic sky fairy doesn't exist. You should as well.

>I live my life according to a book that teaches me to be better.
The Bible, I assume you mean? The one where it teaches you to enslave people, attack and murder non-believers, beat and kill children, and that a 7-headed satan will have a meet-n-greet with a 7-headed sea demon at some point? That you burn for eternity for eating shrimp? That book?

>Pascal's Wager
Assume god exists, just in case? So... that's an argument for ISIS, you understand, right? That's in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church. That's an argument in favor of Thor... or any of the other thousands of now discarded ideas of a deity.

>What am I doing wrong?
Living your life by centuries old dogma, and relying on it rather than thinking.