Alright, let's do a break down of what the candidates have on their platforms at the moment. I'd far prefer to inform than accuse, so any claims you'd like to make about the candidates should be backed by at least 3 different sources. For this discussion, let's contrast their economic policies. I'm aware both are in favor of increasing taxes on the wealthy, let's contrast it.
>Shillary shills can stay the fuck out.
She looks like a corpse and her lead is evaporating. Even women are voting Sanders.
Did you know her lead is evaorating faster now than it did when Obama humiliated her in 08?
Also her doing the Nae Nae i going to make her a subject of ridicule, which no politician can survive.
Just ask Jeb Bush
...but do you actually understand what he intends to try and give you (vs what he'll actually be able to get through congress)?
Maybe, the meritocracies we've built in the west aren't exactly what they say they are.
We've tried to bring the country up by raising those already at the top for the past 35 years or so.
Guess what; didn't work.
Bring up the bottom. Make that level playing field so very, very high, no other country could touch the standard of living of our absolute poorest people.
That is how you "Make America Great Again".
I dont care, I will get something especially considering Thomas and Scalia getting ready to die.
Once we get the courts the legislature is an inconvenience.No one is more powerful than the Supreme Court
Platforms are irrelevant. All that matters is pic related.
voting and volunteering for Bernie because i want a decent tax reform and cannot stand how horribly corrupt our political system and is the only person who will actually put a supreme justice who will overturn citizens united.He is authentic and realistic.and HILLARY IS A GOODDAMED BACKSTABBING WHORE
>I am voting Bernie for free shit. I am poor, will always be poor and so I will vote for any benefits I can get.
>Just looking out for my interests, like the rich do.
First post best post
I have no sources or anything like that. I like Trump because he seems like a modern day Teddy Roosevelt, a figure with the balls to inspire people to action and the gravity to make his enemies shit themselves. Three aspects make me feel he'd be a great president: 1)He's not a gentleman so he doesn't back down when oressured or cornered 2)He's a shrewd businessman who knows how to get the ball rolling on major projects, and he definitely wants a more productive and improved America 3)and finally he's an egomaniac who considered his image so important that he will do everything he can to be the greatest president possible. He cares more about his legacy than money, which is saying a deal.
that's the smart move.
Bernie's problem is simple: smarter people tend to make more money. People with more money will vote for Trump or Jeb.
People with less money will vote for the better liar and will lose more money, as usual.
So Bernie loses no matter what.
716 people per 100,000 in prison, second only to north korea
life expectancy outside of cities is lower than algeria and bangladesh
crumbling infrastructure (one in nine bridges are structurally deficient)
typical resident thinks they are living in an amazing utopia compared to other countries due to being fed propaganda about the rest of the world
Bernie already released his plan to fund all his measures
If he succeeds he'll crash the economy with no survivors with his retarded tax on stocks
But he won't succeed with that because literally every lobby should be against that
The issue s that the middle class is gone and those people that ued to be conservative when times were god are now liberals when the wolves came to the door
Easy to be conservative when you have food, a job and money to blow.
There are tens of millions like me, more being made every day as wages plummet and obs disappear. I hope this ends wit mass executions of the 1%
I've been supporting trump in polls because he is anti establishment and HRC seems to have dems locked up at the time. If Sanders actually makes it to the generals I'm voting for him though, he will actually fix health care so it's not as ridiculously expensive and I want weed to be legalized.
I hope not, we have enough cash to give benefits until after I am dead and since I am too selfish to care for anyone else there is no chance of kids I really dont give a fuck what happens when I am gone.
Same reason I oppose carbon taxes, I don't want t pay more for electricity and what happens to the planet doesn't matter to me.
And that's the crux of why I'm voting Bernie.
Yeah, it'll be a ton of New Deal style jobs. That's... not such a bad thing, really. Infrastructure is something we all use, after all.
Between the two, Bernie would most likely push stuff like net nutrality, and buildouts of proper fiber networks for all, along the lines of rural electrification and the original phone lines.
Better roads, better telecommunications infrastructure, a healthcare system that actually may do something, and a push toward equality for all.
My biggest worry about Bernie getting elected is that he's gonna have a fucking stroke 8 months in and keel over from the stress. Guy's what, 312 years old or so?
Hate to say it, I want to know who is running mate is; that's the person who'd actually serve most of the term.
>Hate to say it, I want to know who is running mate is; that's the person who'd actually serve most of the term.
It's Warren, your braindead college kids are dumb enough to have Warren be one more bernie-hernie away from the presidency
the middle class is plentiful. it's one paycheck away from becoming poor, is all.
The poor are not affected by either candidate. The rich really aren't much either. So that leaves the aging middle and upper middle classes, who still pay taxes and whose biggest cost is still health care. These voters would take Bernie in a heartbeat if they bothered to see what he was offering. yeah, they'd pay some more in taxes but save a ton in medical. That is Trump's target bloc, and he has engaged them in their primal fears.
It's a brilliant move that will let them happily lose more money to the wealthy in order to make them feel a little safer.
Thank you Kaneda. Socialism would never work regardless because the billionaires aren't going to just sit and watch the government take 80% of their earnings. For what, so immigrants can come and live off their blood, sweat and tears? There's no more sense of national pride in America among the poor, so why would the rich even consider parting with their earnings? You can't invest in America's younger lower class, they have absolutely zero work ethic or drive to improve anything more than their own social status is as cheap a way as possible.
Yeah, I'm not sure who you expect to hand out all their goods and services for free among the major corporations.
You don't see the super pac commitment to Bernie for a reason. He might be anti-big business but who personally do you know will work for free?
I'm unsure if the Buffet would sign on with the Bern. Would make for catchy campaign slogans, though.
I fear he'll go stupid and put clinton in that slot, as a way to snatch the snatch vote. Bad fucking plan, though.
Honestly, he'd be better off grabbing one of the Libertarians with a good head on their shoulders, or even someone like Powell; an old school Republican that actually sees how this shit show actually works.
The super pacs have put all their money into that autist Jeb.
The people have put their money into Bernie.
Enjoy the misogynistic circle jerk.
I had notepad ready to go, but whatever.
I need to arrange some maps for door to doors in minority areas tomorrow.
Maybe one day you will wake up and see that Hillary is the only one who stands for the average Joe.
So what? Easy fix: Next President gets to appoint 1/3 of the SC in the net 4 years.2 of those will be conservatives. One you have a majority you can just run a case to the friendly SC that will force redistricting supervised by the federal courts.
The only reason the GOP contros the house is because they control state legislatures and have gerrymandered themselves into a majority.
Control of the courts fix that
That's the problem.
You slash the budget. Great. Poor Joe blow has an extra $13 on his paycheck. He can't do anything with it, because just living costs more. Zero support from anywhere. He literally can't raise himself out of the gutter.
Not only can trump not win more than likely any GOP candidate cant win. 53% of th enations births are to single mothers and the majority of kids receive benefits tat the GOP attacks.
Tack on the sharp decline in Protestanism ( America is now a majority Catholic nation) migration and demographic changes (hence why attacking Hispanics is a disaster in the short and long term) and th fact Blacks and Gays will never vote for them ( Spotting the Dems 16% of the population out of the gate, mainly in Urban centers)
and I just dont see where you get your numbers from.
I was talking more ideology than numbers.
I don't think Buffet aligns well with Bernie, is all. I made some guesses based on his previous stances on things, but I'm open to being wrong.
I made a few wild stabs in the dark based on what I'd personally like to see.
Has nothing to do with poll numbers, but rather policy and ideological standpoints.
>implying being born into such an environment hinders your ability to become successful
>implying if i plant 8 walnut trees for my great great grandchildren to eat walnuts you should be allowed to come and take them all because your great great grandpa was addicted to heroin
You take money from the big bad government.
Now, big bad government can't afford to keep the roads and bridges up. So they fall to shit (as they have for the past 30 or so years).
Big companies come in, and offer to fix the roads, so they can put tolls up everywhere.
Costs Joe poorman $20 in road use fees just to get to work every 2 weeks now. He's out $7/week.
One simplistic example.
The people only have to gain what the big donors stand to lose.
It's like the people are mad they got their education with a loan they can't pay, their cars with loans for depreciating assets, their houses on massive loans, etc...
The list goes on with credit cards and mutual funds and health care and insurance.
Then they wonder why the financial institutions are having great years despite themselves constantly "struggling" with all their debt.
Who is really feeding the Banker beasts?
The people that can't get themselves out of their own holes they dug.
The circle of stupidity of people is pathetic.
If you are so ingrained into the ideals of your candidate why don't you join the discussion?
Is it that you fear you maybe wrong?
This is one of the reasons why people hate Hillary. The supporters are too brainwashed to think differently
I live in a rich place full of nice white and Vietnamese people.
He means Food STamps.46 million Americans get food stamps, in addition 20% of all children are on food assistance.
Are these people ok with starving children in our streets? The massive unrest and damage would outweigh the tax benefits. Anyone with a 6th grade education knows that food shortages always precede mass social upheaval.
Look at Trump. America will soon be 25% Hispanic.
The GOP spots the Dems the blacks (13%) the gays (4%) an the majrity of the hispani vote (~22%)
So, they give up 39% of the vote every single election. Add n Single moms (53% of all births)raising the next generation and you realize that Trump is destroying the GOP.
I wait tables. I get a lt of cash, I claimed 12 k but made about 25.Add in free utilities and food and I live pretty well.
Own a house and rent out the back bedrooms to pay my mortgage but I dont tell the Gov about it,
if you diminished programs and reduced subsidies in an effort to living costs.
re-introduction of factories would increase the costs of luxury goods in america. quality over quantity.
if the gov't rid itself of higher end employees and offer volunteer work programs for construction/school it could afford to build roads etc. prison labor could also be viable as a program for rehabilitation.
is increasing taxes the only method of the gov't creating revenue and managing its labor resources?
>implying wealth is a measure of success
More money doesn't make you happier it just gets you more stuff. Money is useful as fuck and you need it to live, but everyone can't live with multimillionaire levels of excess.
People are what make me happy. Not arbitrary units of social value.
Not the poster, but I'll answer it this way:
I don't fucking care if he has a job or not. I want him living like I live. I want a 1-bedroom apartment in a safe neighborhood with enough food for him to get ameri-fat on to be available, even if he's an unemployed pile of shit.
Know why? Because if that's the minimum, I will always be fine. I will never be 'without'. And since I'm employed and do make fair cash, I have nothing to worry about, I'll still be better off than him.
I'm not too sure trumps lax tax break will work well with his plan of making the military stronger.
It happened under bush where he cut taxes but spent a shitload of money - being 1 cause for the huge debt.
I haven't put too much thought into bernies plan of collecting taxes. From what I understand.
Say I make 370,000 and under one cap of 360,000 i would keep my money tax free.
But that 10,000 left over would be taxed right?
Let's assume he keeps his promise from that second dem debate and keeps the tax around 70(realistic enough in my opinion where he wants it to be)
So 3,000 would not be taxed?
So of my 370,000 only 7,000 gets taxed?
That doesn't seem right to me. Someone help explain it to me because that would not work to supplement his government programs.
How is taxing people less going to reduce the (18 trillion dollar) deficit? This is one of the most unanswered questions I see from conservatives/republicans, and I'd appreciate an honest answer free from any memes. I'm willing to change my view since I don't really care either way.
I want to try to make an appeal to Bernie supporters as a Trumpfag.
You say you want "free shit". Okay. Watch this clip real quick:
Notice, first, how is sounds a lot like Trump today. But notice how he doesn't divorce the idea of renegotiating trade deals with other countries, and investing that newfound money into our own.
The one thing Trump has most consistently stood for; the one thing he simply cannot be impeached on, is that he truly believes that he is such a good negotiator that he can razzle dazzle deals out of world leaders and generate jobs and trade surpluses enough to be able to fund the programs you guys want, while also not taxing the American people. why the hell should we tax away our own jobs when we can just take shit from other countries? I mean what the fuck, right? It's the win-win we've always wanted. We just have to be dicks to the rest of the world a little to get it. So what? They're dicks to us!
You get your "free shit" or some of it anyway, and you don't have to tax the shit out of your own people for it.
It's imperialism. And it's great! That is what will make us great again! Come join the Trump train.
I think you, like most people, are conflating deficit and debt.
It's a 'good' thing to have some national debt. That's money in the hands of Americans and other countries. That's' investment in the country, a good thing. I agree it could be a bit high, right now, and would like to see it go down a little... but not by much.
Deficit is going outside of a given budgetary cycle. Like you buying pokemon cards and then running up your credit card to pay the rent.
Deficit isn't all super terrible, either. Provided the incomming investments into the country cover it.
i was operating under the impression that america has lot of sunken infrastructure capital that is currently being unused/underused.
the cost of re-purposing them would depend on their modifications. the idea, at least for me, is to recreate a division of labor workforce.
no one is farming and is becoming increasingly automated. menial tasks allow people to develop a work ethic.
the 18 trillion in debt is a good question. federal land could likely be developed in such a way that revenue could be obtained lessening the burden on the tax payer. this would entail some environmental damage tho.
>but Congress will never let that happen. The didn't in Obama's first term and they won't next year no matter what.
but they said they wouldn't let obamacare through
these things happen in increments
Bernie's gonna bring us the next increment
>Implying that an actual discussion on politics on a politics board is not allowed.
Fuck you are retarded, or underage or both
>implying bernie is legitimate competition for Emperor Trump
This thread reeks of jew
fuck off bernie shills
He is nothing more than a dirty scheming jew with the end goal of destroying western culture
pay for the re-purposing?
the idea is that a private company would be interested in returning to america to invest the money. didn't apple have something to the tune of billions of funds overseas in that they avoided paying taxes for in america?
if not the gov't could use land resources from federal land to cover costs.
if you are getting at a point that companies will not return to america b/c of lower costs in other countries than i understand that.
america could just fuck'em and see what new companies in america could develop.
america could have the chance to re-define their standard of living. that's either good or bad.
are you suggesting that taxing your populace is the only way for the gov't to effectively raise funds?
I've found them to be about as intelligent, as well.
Look, I'm happy to be shown I'm wrong. Clinton is untrustworthy; Bernie actually does what he says he'll do. Voting record proves it.
The whole Republican field looks like the streets of India; human shit every 5 feet.
You bought a 4chan pass so you can spam memes on a politics board
Seriously how old are you?
What are you doing with your life?
Okay. I still stand by the debt is increasing and doesn't really show signs of decreasing , so I still don't see how how taxing people less is going to alleviate this.
I just took a (very) quick look at the tax plan he has on his website, but it just points to further reducing taxes in other ways; including reducing/eliminating income tax and, and this is the part I'm actually baffled by, he wants to eliminate a death/estate tax.
Why would is being against any form of an estate tax a good thing? Couldnt he just tax inheritances of, like, $100k and over? I mean, why would the general public be in favour of letting the rich pass on their assets to their kin, which can be thought of as 'free stuff'?
Sorry if I sound like a biased left-winger, I'm really trying to not to be.
I'm not a political expert
But it seems like a lot of people like Trump
including minorities (the good ones)
there are a lot more conservative gays than you would imagine
But does it matter?
Really only the swing states matter
I'm confident that undecideds are not going to fall for the jew propaganda of bernie
have you heard the guy talk
its obvious he cannot be trusted
im voting for Trump just for the lulz and to piss off libfags
I'm no budget expert, but the federal roads are paid for by the gas tax. They've been a problem even with a Democrat in office with the big budget we have now.
I'm not saying the GOP are angels and I don't really see a solution to the problem, but there's a lot of things we pay for that should go towards roads instead, like relocating refugees.
This is why I don't like Republicans in general when they attack food stamp recipients.
>too dumb to concede to the overwhelming evidence of God
>has fallen for the shit spread by jews in our culture
As I said, debt isn't all that bad of a thing. I think it's a touch high, a little inflated, but I fully admit it may be someone 'on the inside' looking at the flaws, and sort of glossing over the good parts.
I'd like to see it a bit lower, but not by much. It keeps the dollar value high across the world, which gives me hella good buying power.
How the fuck do you justify a death tax at all? Not only is it a gross fucking injustice to say that you can spend your whole life establishing yourself, raising yourself from whatever station you were in, and then your kids can just get fucked by the government for it, but also, everything in an estate has already been taxed.
>canuckfag still isn't banned
What the fuck is this mods?
Reach harder faggot.
>shit spread by jews
>atheism spread by jews
>atheism spread by theists
>claim is a lot of people like trump
>posts map with the only states favoring him are shit hole low population areas
>numbers below show while 'close', the country still leans democrat
Because if you let people spend and invest their own money instead jewing them with a centralized government communist schemes,
they will produce more wealth and in turn deposit more revenues into the government coffers
But our debt will never be paid back, see the actual level of discourse in the thread for an example
At least you Aussie lads post actual good content in your shitposts...
These fucking leafs just spam shit that isn't even funny or informative.
I promise you guys....
Should I become president one day...
We will carpet bomb canada to hell.
Sorry, I forgot to emphasize, that I didn't like how unspecific he was in paying for all these reduced/eliminated taxes. He mentions closing loopholes twice, which seems like it'll be a lot of work and really obvious, but will it really pay for a ~-10-15% reduction of overall taxes across the board?
Okay, I think I understand. I looked at thedebts of many other countries, and a lot of them are slightly bettter, but not by much, so I guess I'll take your word on it then.
But then, watching the Republican debate last night, the candidates (well, mostly Marco) were attacking Obama about how he ruined the country economically, and mostly referred to the debt. Does this mean they were mostly wrong?
Why do i care what you think, research for yourself, there is obviously God and the Frankfurt school is at work destroying our values. I'm too dumb/lazy to force feed it to you, you are too dumb/lazy to figure it out for yourself.
I guess you think of life like its some kind of video game, you think that somehow its desirable for every to start the same and you think using the force of government can achieve this
You have justified any of these claims
You need to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxvy9XyUtg
You have a morally repugnant worldview - but worst of all it makes us all poorer
It doesn't matter at all, I don't want central governments stealing people's money because they are arrogant enough to believe that they are smarter investors than the people that created it
That's the thing. I'm totally against an estate tax on the middle class, for example on a family who wants to leave like, $50k to their kids, or something.
But why should estates that are, like $500k not be taxed? Let's say the rate is 50%, that's still $250k you're leaving to your kids; isn't that enough for them to enjoy a comfortable jumpstart in life anyways? I mean, most people on this board are against free stuff anyway (as am I, except for health care), so why should high priced estates be any different?
So a question about Bernies plans, what stops the top 1% of people from just leaving the US so they don't have to pay the high taxes that hes been promoting?
I'd think many people would leave instead of paying it.
posts the same thing in twenty second intervals
>3 posts per minute
would take one hour and forty minutes to spam thread until limit. this canadian dude really wants this thread to hit 300.
The way to look at debt is this:
I 'believe' in the united states. So, i buy a bond. It cost me $25 now, will mature at $50 in 10 years or whatever.
The government just took on a $50 debt. That's how it's counted. It's me investing in my country, and them paying me to do so, though.
China holds a ton of our debt, which I'm a little upset about. As I said, I'd like it to be a little smaller, but not by much. honestly, I'd like to just see it 'more spread out', than sitting in the hands of so few countries.
Not really, I told you I don't care what you think. I'm just saying that God exists. It's my belief. Your belief is that God doesn't exist. It's your belief and neither of us have proof and you're and idiot and jews are evil.
Um, no we have a government spending all the middle classes' prosperity on war, welfare, and socialism
We have a private bank creating our currency for 90 years
We've trampled the constitution
We've turned into a democracy
We need to fire about 75% of the federal government and around 75% less people voting too.
Its currently about 2am in Canada, it's the weekend so lots of time to hang out with your friends, you could've been doing exciting things and had a fun filled night but instead you waste away on a Vietnamese drawing forum
I encourage you to look into the other argument, seriously, because it's your soul on the line. I was an athiest/agnostic for most of my life, so i looked at your point of view too.
The 'death tax' you defend so well protects the top 1000 or so people in the country, or some such tiny number. It's literally the kardashians and the trumps that benefit from it.
And, they still will. Most of the savings will still go to heirs. Some of it, though, that they made thanks to the infrastructure in place, will go back to the country that maintained that infrastructure, safety nets, etc. that allowed them to make that fortune.
The best question is where, exactly, would they go?
Everywhere else is still 'worse' for them, tax wise. Or if it's 'better' for them tax wise, they live in Somalia or some other such shithole with zero infrastructure that they are accustomed to.
But that's not what I said; I never said I wanted everyone to start on the same ground. I'm totally okay with people wanting to leave money to their kids.
But there's a difference between a middle class family leaving their retirement leftovers to their kids versus some millionaire leaving $10M in assets to their children, and then the kids living easy for the rest of their lives. If we taxed 50% of that 10M, we would not reduce the quality of life for the upper kids by much, but would obtain a decently significant amount of tax revenue.
First of all, that's completely not true, it effects farmers and small businesses you retard
2nd of all I didn't even read your post'
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the accumulation of capital
That's where investments come from. You know those investments that increase economic productivity and raises the standard of living
Yeah, how about we don't undermine that process
Trump's tax plan comes alongside getting rid of loopholes. The majority of taxes comes from the wealthy already, and the rates and laws currently incentivize finding ways around actually paying. Sure, it's a lower tax rate on paper, but higher than what is actually paid now.
he did it the absolute madman
were the random characters at the end to avoid getting marked as spam?
>good nite sweet prince
Here's logic, a basic argument for the existence of God. We know that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, right? Newtons third law of motion. We also 'know' that the universe began by with a big bang. What action caused the reaction that was the big bang?
A positive claim, in this case "God Exists" requires some sort of proof, even internal.
The neutral position (no sky fairies due to no proof) does not require extra proof for some reason.
Has Trump been specific as to how much money closing these loopholes would generate? Or which one's he's planning on closing?
I'm not denying that there are probably tons of bullshit loopholes all over the place, but do they really add up to something sustainable with the cuts he's planning on making? It just seems really vague; but I might be wrong.
>positive claim of the existance of a 'soul'
Please define, and provide proof.
>claims atheism is a point of view
That's a poor understanding of the term. It's a neutral position on the positive claim that 'god exists' and that 'religion x is correct'.
To change an atheist's mind simply requires proof. Please provide it, to substantiate and ground the claims you have made.
What does society gain when we the government steals the 5m in your example?
Because we have undermined savings that could have been used to make investments that will make the world a better place.
I know you think you can make better investments than the heirs that are "living it easy"
But why do you assume that? Do you have any evidence that government is better at creating wealth than the very people that created it in the first place?
You are undermining capitalism, at least give a good reason for it.
We all know that the government blunders money, and I doubt you'd even deny that. So how about keeping government small and stop stealing.
Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Your claim is that a magic sky fairy rules over us all, knows all, and controls all, and is all powerful.
Please, enlighten me how a 2 year old with cancer is somehow a 'net positive'. How a starving child anywhere is a 'good'. How a single murder of an innocent person for their wallet is a benefit.
If these things are allowed to happen, at all, then your diety has a great deal to answer for, to me.
"I don't know yet" is far more tenable position than "god did it".
"god did it" stops further inquiry. It halts progress.
Any time society has inserted god at some point in the 'going back' puzzle, it's been found to be wrong.
Please, tell me how the stop of inquiry is somehow a 'good' thing in scientific endeavors.
The meme is cute and all, but it's far more simplistic than that.
Give me positive, falsifiable proof of the existance of any of these claims. I'll be happy to study and understand from there.
I've been asking for this for over a decade, and I've still not been given anything outside of weird circular "if god exists then god exists" arguments.
>simple positive proof that God exists.
The most serious question anyone will face, and you want simple proof. You're really being an asshole, and showing why most everyone who isn't an atheist really does not like atheists.
Lets start with Jesus. He is proof that God exists, because he was God. There is ample proof that Jesus existed, I'm not even going to get into that. The real question is was he really God. Simple proof? there is none. He performed miracles that were well documented and witnessed. People who were just like you and me, not really sure about this whole thing, picked up and followed Him, and by the end of His life, they were ready to die for Him and His cause. Obviously none of this proof is going to be good enough for you, because you weren't there, it could be made up stories, you didn't see for yourself, etc.I'm just sharing why i believe. I can continue with logical arguments if you are interested, but I should warn you, a central theme of Christianity is faith. There is no 'concrete' evidence. It is a leap of faith. There would be no point to it if there was no risk we had to take.
I'd like to point you to the works of Dan Dennett and Sam Harris.
Between the two of them, the whole concept of 'free will' is basically a bit of a misnomer. Given high enough computing power and proper data input, it should be possible to predict reaction with perfect accuracy. As it stands right now, even without 'perfect' input and computing speed, we get within a frighting margin of error in pre-simulation given accurate input.
You are a deterministic computer, not a free-willed entity Just like every other animal on this planet.
>you're really being an asshole
No, not really. Should you claim you have an elephant in your garage, I'd like to see it. Same difference.
Mythical character cobbled together from folklore and stories of disparate religious dogmas of before. Got it.
>Jesus is proof god exists.
The non-existent Jew that was only written about ~70 years after his supposed existance and not written about at all by anyone contemporary to him? There's zero proof of his existance outside a single, cobbled together by committee book. If that's proof, that's a fail.
>no simple proof
Alrighty then. So you're willing to take up the default position, as the rest of the sensible world has?
Is it possible monkies will fly out of my butt in the next 2 seconds?
Given an infinate list of possiblities, yes. The probability of such an event is so close to zero, for all purposes of discussion, it is zero.
There's no use splitting hairs when it gets that small, especially on a claim so grand and big as is made in 'god'.
So, i can confidently say that no, there is no possibility that god did it.
Again, please provide positive proof for the existance of the magic sky fairy. Please.
I fucking hate how accurate this post is.
nah you probably were gonna vote Bernie, and if a cannuck spamming memes is enough to sway your vote one way or another, I don't think you really should be voting.
at least you are bumping the thread with your 4chan pass and cancer
Wait, you don't even believe Jesus was a real person? Wow. Jesus was a real person,whether you believe he was a deity or not. That's like saying that Julius Caesar wasn't real, or Shakespeare, or Alexander the Great. And it's debatable that he was a Jew.
He was written about by his followers. By people who live with him for years. nice meme. Do some research.
I can't give you positive proof in the sense that you are asking for. Is being a Christian all that bad though? What if God doesn't exist? I live my life according to a boo that teaches me to be better, and I improve my life. Not really any loss, other than persecution by people like you. A lot to gain and not much to lose. But if God does exist, on the other hand, and I live my life as if He did not, I have a lot to lose and not much to gain. Why do you want me to believe there is no God exactly? I will never believe that again, so you know, but why? What am I doing wrong?
>Jesus was a real person
Proof, please. Again, positive claim, and the only 'proof' is a series of scrolls written ~70 years later, cobbled together into a book, by a committee some couple hundred years after that.
Please show me another source document that does this.
>I can't give you positive proof in the sense that you are asking for.
Righto then. I live in the real, physical world. I am acted upon by real, physical things. Since there is no proof, by your own admission, I will continue to conduct myself as if the magic sky fairy doesn't exist. You should as well.
>I live my life according to a book that teaches me to be better.
The Bible, I assume you mean? The one where it teaches you to enslave people, attack and murder non-believers, beat and kill children, and that a 7-headed satan will have a meet-n-greet with a 7-headed sea demon at some point? That you burn for eternity for eating shrimp? That book?
Assume god exists, just in case? So... that's an argument for ISIS, you understand, right? That's in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church. That's an argument in favor of Thor... or any of the other thousands of now discarded ideas of a deity.
>What am I doing wrong?
Living your life by centuries old dogma, and relying on it rather than thinking.