No. The state of the job market is horrible, particularly for the recent graduates who are the people who protest about this sort of thing. Unless you already have multiple (usually unpaid) internships under your belt, a decent salary is out of the question.
Complicating this problem is the fact that for this same generation, college finally became a bad decision for most people economically. Students blindly marched to college since it was an American tradition that had brought prosperity to the last dozen generations without fail. Now it isn't, and the students were doubly fucked by the debts they ran up.
Hard work and sacrifice are not the reason he has a steady job, he simply chose a career path that, while offering guaranteed employment, also guarantees you a shitty life.
>>61216537 on one hand he is shigging the dice and risking being turned into kebab for like 30k a year.
on the other (if he lives) he is getting a fuck load of benefits and MUHHH PATRIOTT VETERAN glory that carries over nicely on a resume.
I'd say the most efficient way to have joined the military would be to go in as soon as you turn 18 with your GED. Get out at 22 with tech school degree, probably an AA's worth of credits, like 100k in your bank account that you didn't spend because you were housed and fed for free, and then go straight into Uni or the work force.
It depends on the MOS and unit and if he is deployed or on garrison.
Some MOS'es actually do important or hard work and other ones sit around doing unimportant details or doing guard watching a locked up building sitting around doing nothing for hours and moping and sweeping.
Looking back, I sometimes wish I had made a first career in the military, and retired at 38 with a pension and health care for life. I almost enlisted in the Marines, but decided against it at the last minute. 4 months later, 9/11 happened, so I guess I lucked out, in a way.
But, I think a working-class kid could do a lot worse than enlisting at 18. That, or learning a trade, like plumber or electrician.
While i'm usually against people who call Armymen 'Welfare Queens' this guy is a fucking moron trying to act like hes better or smarter for being a fucking grunt suckling at uncle sams teat.
Maybe if he was from a country that screened their military personnel harder than "can you do jumping jacks and lift things?" then a 6 month basic training course to go die in some shithole, or go stand around in some different, slightly less dangerous shit hole.
Militaryfags are some of the biggest welfare queens out there.
That said, can't fault the guy for playing the system. He still deserves more respect than the idiots camping out on while street and complaining but not actually doing anything with their lives. At least he's working and putting something on the line. Even if the work is pointless and paid for by my tax dollars.
This is the job dumb fuck niggers and rednecks take to get ahead in life because they would have been miserable failures otherwise. This is one of the only jobs in the world where you qualify and will be employed and given ridiculous amounts of benefits (paid for by tax payers) simply by being healthy. All this guy did to earn these things was sign away 4 years of his life and do jumping jacks and push ups.
Meanwhile there are people like me who work 40 hours a week to put themselves through school and go to night classes, yet this faggot would think he works as hard as me or even think he's better than me because he served in the military. It's a stupid job for stupid people and militaryfags that think they are hot shit are the fucking worst.
>>61216537 Poor Americans have to get shot at by towelheads to afford their ridiculous tuition fees at a non Ivy League college. (desu, probably just posted to japan or germany and gets drunk and fucks at local brothels in between sentry duty and cleaning tanks, before coming home a 'hero')
USAF here. I feel no shame in taking advantage of the systems in place. I knew I wasn't going to "contribute" to society by serving even before I joined. But military will meet it's quotas with or without me. I could not afford college without the GI bill and would be in debt up to my eye balls if not for the military. You both seem needlessly upset desu senpai
>>61217793 >The pay might be shit No "might" about it for enlisted.
>Tricare Garbage socialist medical care, literally the cheapest level of care the government can get away with. Their job is not to make you healthy, it's to keep you functional for work.
>free college A good deal
>if you're in long enough, a great pension Provided some democrats don't get together and cut the military again, purging people with <5 years until retirement as a means of cutting the budget.
If you enlist and don't take advantage of the education benefits and bail, you might as well sign that Form 1D 10T. Not to mention that the military has become the testing ground for all the absurd SocJus Cult shit coming out of academia.
>me at cadet/ROTC program in college >wanted to go into military after earning stem degree >have asthma, push-ups and sit-ups were good, lost weight and got down to 10% bf >can't join army >at least I got the best friends of my life from those four years of shit living in the dorms >hurts a bit whenever sub-100 iq jarhead says that any guy who isn't in the military is a pussy
Super soldier serum when /pol/? All I wanted to do is serve my country because I love what the constitution stands for. I wanted to work on a team with friends that are there for me no matter what.
>>61218474 Hey man, as long as you're humble about it and admit you're in it for the gibsmedats it's fine. I just don't like the military guys that think they're Gods gift to mankind. Most of them contribute nothing and act like they are better than everybody else, I pretty despise anybody who has an undeserved sense of self worth.
>>61218127 > opportunity to shoot mudslimes >get free college Or >be a pussy >have to make other people's food for minimum wage Your excuses for letting there be enough mudslimes to invade Europe are shit.
Love the comments on here. This guy is risking his life to possibly get his 4 years of college paid for, and you 30 year old neck beards that still live in your moms attic/basement are trying to degrade him, and wish ill will on him.
You're not supposed to have a political opinion in uniform
So as far as I'm concerned this guy is a pretentious chucklefuck private with a chip on his shoulder.
What the sign should say is "I'm a faggot; I only did okay in high school and I joined the Army as a parachute rigger but I take any opportunity to tell any hogbeast who will listen phony war stories or training stories in an effort to get her to suck my dick"
>>61219559 >destabalizing Iraq Thats a good one. If I were to emigrate to India, and shit all over the ground, would I be responsible for constant public shitting? The entire middle east is horrid, the subhuman inhabitants would be living in mud huts if not for the crusades.
>>61219452 Because it was a senior military college, earning a ROTC scholarship wasn't a necessity to stay in the program. I could the runs but asthma would pop up during runs. Best mile time I got was 5:30. In fact half the kids in my outfit never received contracts. The main reason I joined was for the structured lifestyle and because the corps of cadets was the oldest organization on campus since it was created in 1876. I wanted to feel close to the traditions. Older alumni like hiring former cadets than from the regular student body. Plus girls live chasing those senior boots.
>>61219313 Below 100 IQ try hard faggot detected. You'd probably piss your pants in a real combat situation, I bet you even brag to your friends about how you want to kill mudslimes. Nobody is buying your tough guy act.
I don't make burgers, I work in public works. You know, actually doing hard work and contributing something to my community.
>>61216537 >he an army fag on a military base >he does it for freedom >he takes his job very seriously >he does it because it is the only amount of power and control he will ever have in his pathetic life >he yells at civilians he does not like because whenever he gets upset he has a ptsd attack >he will never have a real job he will live on the streets as a homeless bum asking for change
>>61219381 Probably because he's being a colossal faggot about his guaranteed job. He's made it clear with this message that he doesn't care about the American people, as long as he gets paid. Not that the oath they take means anything, of course- the military has happily gone along with Washington's and Langley's plans to make lots of terrorists, which in turn pose a threat to America. They're pawns, and they deserve no respect.
Don't take 99% of /pol/'s word on American military. It's actually not some grueling slog through your four-year enlistment for the gubmint benifits, that's just if your a whiny bag of shit who's too much of a bitch to shake off the civillian mindset. If you generally believe in the core values of your branch and don't mind spending your first year swabbing, sweeping, and studying, the military is fucking great. And the higher up in ranks you get, the better the people around you get. I have yet to meet a Senior Chief (E7 in the Navy, takes about 15 years good service MINIMUM) that wasn't completely based.
And fuck whoever says we're welfare queens. We fucking screen out most of the the welfare queens in boot and A-School. I'd like to see those armchair warriors stuffed in a cramped compartment with seventy strangers with the goal of becoming a functioning team in less than two weeks. They'd be the ones to try to drop out of boot on the first day. I can't vouch for the other branches, but the Navy doesn't work well with people who don't want to work. You eventually develop a sixth sense for the people who are going to end up getting discharged for snorting cocaine in the head while on watch or showing up to muster late and drunk. By the time you get to your first command, nearly everyone around you is a decent human being.
>>61219197 Agreed, the unwarranted self-importance applies to a lot of door kickers. But those guys are only 10% of the actual military, the rest are in support positions. Most of whom are fairly conservative and humble.
>>61216727 >>61216922 >handouts Lmfao. The Marine Corps was the hardest job I ever had, physically and mentally taxing, exhausting, and I spent many holidays in a desert shitting in a hole in the ground while you contemplated suicide and surfed 4chan. It also paid much less than my current job which is a fucking easy corporate office bullshitfest.
I also declined disability compensation for PTSD.
You and every other faggot on this board who compares military to niggers who wake up at noon and take their EBT card to the liquor store, and faggot NEETs who sit around jacking it to CP all day/whining on /r9k/, can tonguefuck my asshole.
>>61220625 Well I believe a bit after WW2 maybe early 1960s (when we changed from a college to a university and allowed women and regular students at the school), the school administration and trigon lightened up the requirement to keep numbers for the corps up. Nowadays you spend the first two years in a ROTC program (Air force, Navy, or Army) which gives you some ROTC experience and skills if a draft were to occur. During that time non-contract cadets sometimes get a contract to continue into the upper ROTCs. For the last 2 years, if you don't take a contract you are a D&C (Drill and ceremonies) cadet and are required to take leadership classes. Which along with activity in other campus events can bet you a leadership certificate signed by a few of the ROTC people and I think maybe a few hundred bucks. All the while you are cadet back in the dorms and wake up every morning for PT just like everyone else. Basically you do the cadet stuff with your outfit first (along with academics ha) and then supplement or replace with military/ROTC stuff if that's your intended college track. Every day you wear a uniform to class as well. And you have to go to football games and other dumb shit the school wants you to do.
>>61221121 ah naw i actually have nothing against military people im just board after work and decided to combine tyrones /sp/ janitor rant with military people. I actually feel bad for them as they have to tolerate and work with gays and trannys in their ranks or face a dishonorable discharge.
>>61222441 >gays and trannys Gays, yes. Trannys, no. Trans peoplw aren't allowed in. Trust me, they WANT TO let them in, it's just a matter of paperwork being backed up for miles. I think it's supposed to be implemented sometime this year.
I don't think many of them will even make it through boot first. If they have at least enough balls to pass a PFA and not break down crying for getting their asses chewed a little then I can put aside my power level to serve with them when needed.
Take selfie with some bullshit scribbled on paper that nobody has any reason to care about. >did I mention I am in the ARMED FORCES? Probably posted on Facebook so he can signal to all is friends that he`s totally Le Hard Worker >and did I mention I am in the ARMED FORCES????
I have a job too dicksmoker, I just don`t waste my time boasting about it for attention.
>>61224181 Insanely rigourous academic program, which nets you about 60ish college credits after a year and a half of schooling. Trained to learn stuff fast, civilian employers love that. Its tough though I'd say that there is about a 30% attirition rate, and that is after the screening process.
>>61224679 That's not saying much coming from a Brit when so many people in the UK take advantage, do fuck all and live off of benefits. If it's not that most work shitty jobs regardless of whether they went to uni or not.
>>61221187 You, I like you. I didn't do marines, I did army, but still spent my time sweating in a desert shithole. Keep fighting the good fight brother, fuck these niggers on 4chan who think the first thing I do with my below minimum wage salary is wake up on a bed with a pillow made of goose feathers, and frolick down to the candy store.
>>61223394 Ya I'm avionics airforce, regularly work 14 hour days, outside on the flight line in sub 0 temps. Go 6 months without seeijg my family sitting in the middle east, 120 degree temps fixing the planes that keep terrorists in check. Guess I'm a welfare queen too.
>>61224961 It gets documented in each members online training jacket. Each command's command career councillor will have up to date info on which colleges are accepting what credits. They will also have the paper work to fill out to get the credits applied to a degree.
And it's true too. These lot of faggots actually think they're worth anything. In Afghanistan, you incompetent niggers cost 3 missions in the span of 5 weeks. This means in the span of 5 weeks I witnessed the navy's incompetence leading to 3 missions being scrapped. We had to turn to the army to save our ass and send us out there, then back in when the navy was nowhere to be found.
"Malfunction with the aircraft" was the reason every single time. During the seven months I was in country, I saw maybe 2 successful missions with the navy. Everything else was us and the army. Fuck, even the air force fucking performed with high excellence despite having maybe 50 guys on base looking out for 2 aircraft.
The navy is just the example of incompetency and neglect of duty.
>>61216727 All these fags crying about handouts would never be able to hack it in the military. You don't understand how many people get turned down or can't make it. Regardless if they're fighting or not they are disciplined and in shape, something many people who shitpost are not.
>>61221017 Actually it's not free for him, he gives up X amount of years for his life training/doing paperwork. And there's a high chance of him getting shipped out and killed if any minor conflict breaks out
But whatever man, keep rollin' with the >Gibsmedat meme
>>61225544 That seems like some awesome anectdotal evidence.
I'd also argue that us invading third world desert shit holes is not what makes a super power. I'd go even further and say that the force projection that aircraft carriers and missle subs/destoryers provide is.
>>61216537 >/pol/ claims to be nationalist >/pol/ wants strong borders >/pol/ supports Trump, who says he wants to continue rebuilding and expanding the military Why is it you hate soldiers then? It seems to me /pol/ just does everything it does to be contrarian. That, or all of you dislike it when you're reminded what a waste of human flesh you are so you act out by talking shit about people you consider to be beneath you, soldiers included.
>>61225890 >implying i didnt get there on a plane I did. >implying i give a shit about force projection and hurr durr superman power I don't.
You're assuming I give a shit about some honkey donkey bullshit, which I don't. They told me I was going to Afghanistan and they sent me there on a plane.
What makes us the military we are today is the men and women in the work force at home and the men eating dirt over there and skullfucking niggers and muslims. That's and that alone is what makes us the country we are. You are fucking stupid if you honestly think we only send troops on boats. In 2009, we sent 3 battalions worth of marines over on planes. In 2012, we got to Afghanistan on planes, along with the army who also got there on planes.
Motherfucker, even you semen bitches got there on planes. This isn't some age of empires caribbean shit, we actually have planes now. We've been using them for 50 years to do things like this. Less than 20% of marines that are sent overseas today go on ships (MEUs) and even then, they only go on ships to safeguard US naval assets and provide security in possible hotspots.
Don't get mad at us because you signed up to be cannon fodder for jews instead of going to college, faggot. Your lucky you didn't your limbs blown off like those other sorry bastards that signed up and now get to spend the rest of their lives in a wheel chair.
Fuck your PTSD, you signed up for it knowing full well what you were getting into. I feel zero sympathy you.
>>61216776 He works hard at fucking the world up worse than it would have been all while wasting trillions of dollars of the United States treasury and doing zilch for America. Fuck this faggot Fox News zombie.
>>61216537 >Modern US Army >Not a glorified jobs program to get people on the government payroll early on with such low physical standards obese diabetic negresses regularly enlist. I suppose he's not as bad as unemployed niggers or white cucks who vote for more socialism.
>>61226591 How old? >>61226461 >Makes us the military we are today. I seem to remember operation Iraqi freedom starting with middles if aquatic origin. I'm also having a hard time remembering how we enforced a no fly zone in Libya.
I understand that you're a marine and you think you're hot shit for sleeping on rocks and seeing combat once maybe twice, but I can guaran-fucking-tee that three months on a sub as a nub will have you crying for gunny. >>61226636 Oh is that what those hundreds of littoral combat craft are for?
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