confirmend what "everyone" knew.
I feel genuine sadness over the fate of Gadaffi. One of the few African leaders absolutely resolute upon severing ties with the west and developing an African civilisation, without reliance upon foreign aid and charity.
He embodied a seperate-but-equal mindset that is virtually non-existent elsewhere in the developing world.
He had $7 billion dollars worth of gold and silver. He'd back a new pan-African currency against that reserve and begin trading with it. The gold-backed nature of the currency would obviously go the way of all other currencies eventually (backed by thin air and confidence), but it'd rival - and be as legitimate as - any other currency by that point anyway.
new fag pls
you need to understand that western europeans want black african countrie to stay shit so they can get cheap resources and more value to their currency
blacks africans didnt get their independence, when western europeans left, they left puppets to keep things in control and to get cheap resources
but now they have a problem with the left and african/ME immigration
he nationalized the bank too
what would ahve happened is they would ahve gotten better and better and once other countries populations started to find out, there would be alot of anger and demand to do similar, and then the jews lose
and with jews, YOU lose
The man had his heart in the right place but presented to much of a danger to us power in the region. Shame he had to go, he was pretty much in charge of maintaining the best country in africa.
welp, we knew it from the start. i don't bother arguing with idiots over 9/11 or anything else at this point. there's so many retards and on top of retards you have bots its just a waste of time
>with no proofs.
STOP BEING SO FUCKING BLIND AND RETARDED YOU FUCKIGN RETARDED IDIOT!
HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING RETARDED!
Yeah OP, every one all ready knew this. But it doesn't matter now. Even if Obama himself came and literally gave a 3 hour speech and told every one exactly what happened these fucking retards would still not get it. They would just call Obama a tinfoil faggot and then go on with their life as nothing happened.
White people are the poor man's jew. The reason why you guys don't like Jews is because they're better at the manipulation game than white people.
Funny how a German wants to talk shit about other people. Ashkenazi Jews (the troublemakers) ARE Germans.
The currency was called:
The more you know the less and less you are an ignorant sheeple. US government lied to you.
...and if you want to see how far the rabbit hole goes...
He did a lot.
One of the few non useless leader in MENA. We will probably have to wait another hundred years before another one like him comes along.
You think Sidney Blumenthal's first concern was really a gold-backed Libyan currency?
>Ashkenazi Jews (the troublemakers) ARE Germans.
Jews never have national allegiance to anyone but Jewry.
>Libya trading in gold is worse than Libya not trading at all
>NATO rather than UNSC (including Russia) approved R2P and NATO soldiers were the ones that shoved the knife up his ass (rather than Libyans) before he died
>Commodity prices aren't unstable and exploitable as fuck
>Africa could ever be organized enough to have a common currency
>Following the start of Chinese instability and the falling demand for raw resources, the dollar isn't the only reason the world economy isn't currently in a depression
It's just another reality check - who rules the world and whats their agenda
The elites are all about power and control and they view people like a natural resource, like cattle
And any competition to them is evil and must be eliminated at all cost.
You can feel sad about your countrymen
Because they haven't fixed the Andorran flag yet, it was still unknown and gave 404 errors yesterday. They'll hopefully fix the saving problem.
Did this yesterday though.
Gaddafi killed loads of westerners and used Africans to kill his own people. We're better off with him dead
I still havent gotten over how they did Gadaffi.
They could have let his convoy leave the country, instead of missilling it so he could captured and knife raped to death by non-Libyans.
I'm not even talking about jews dumbo. The economic and financial elite doesn't give a shit about "western europeans", doesn't matter which ethnicity they are. They are the ones welcoming the immigrants the most.
">NATO rather than UNSC (including Russia) approved R2P and NATO soldiers were the ones that shoved the knife up his ass (rather than Libyans) before he died"
got sources for that claim John Wayne?
If so who? Army Intel?
I actually caught heat from a adopted mudskin when commenting on the situation at a coffieshop with my mother...
Wish I had knocked that fucking faggot the fuck out...
Atleast he back down when I called "rude"...
I really wish we could own legal firearms in this shitty nation.
It's sarcasm your tard baby. OP's retarded meme needs to die.
Another way of making my point is "Russia's president blessed the intervention in Libya at the time, and the people that murdered Qaddafi were his own people.
>not for greater israel
good goyim, irak was for oil too, don't forget
>source: protocols of the elders of zion
>assumes there's not videos of it all over the fucking internet and it's some kind of fucking secret, conspiracy shit
>rubbing their hands in anticipation of cheap labour
what cheap labour?
most of these immigrants are criminals doing crimes in europe
they become thugs and adopt american black culture.
begging in the streets, raping women and robbing people
is that the cheap labour?
So wait, Putin ordered the takedown of his client state Libya and the cult leader Gaddaffi? Yet, he's doing the exact opposite with his client state Syria?
regarding ambassador stevens and the most based commander of the goons?
I was on teamspeak when Vile Rat (google it) said he was wary of an attack after he saw some muds taking pictures of the bengazi compound the day of the attack.
Watch the video and loathe the cunt Hillary for enableing the attack:
Better the bad guy you know than the ones who roll rough shod over their own people, killing the men and enslaving the women in the name of king skypedo, which is where Libya will likely be going in the future once the kebabs get overcharged with religious zeal per usual, in the face of how shit things have become without Gadaffi.
WHO DID THE SNUFF?
You know it's getting real, I want the name. If you don't have the name, fine. I know most of it, I just want the soul of the perp, bruh
Well the way it looks to the casual observer is, deposed gommie leader gets knife shoved up his ass as he dies. A few days later, trapped burger ambassador gets knife shoved up his ass before he dies.
It just seems like, maybe there's a connection of some sort.
He was a great man and also a great Artist https://youtu.be/CBY-0n4esN
Dismiss him, he's retarded.
While Putin wasn't chubby with Qaddafi, he still asked who gave NATO the right to intervene in Libya. NATO came in, bombed a shiton of civilian infrastructure and left with a power vacuum as vile Islamic terrorists took over the govt and many airports to impose shariah law and some new Islamic flag. The country is in a fucking mess now, before US intervention Libya had the highest HDI in all of Africa and was doing very well. Now it is one of the worst and the civil war lingers on.
Putin is our last hope to save the world from Islamic terrorism and shariah law. Please get rid of the Jews in your govt, by destabilizing countries like Libya and Syria, they encourage refugees to come to Western countries to out-breed the white race.
The intel report doesn't actually indicate anything beyond the fact that the U.S was aware that the Libyan government had a particular amount of gold and silver. In the absence of more context, this information is practically meaningless.
The fuck? The same thing happened in Iraq too, Saddam was also mostly supported by the gommie military industrial complex and was even a fanatic reader of all books about Stalin. Yet, somehow the kremlin didn't do a damn thing to stop Iraq being stomped into nothingness. When it comes to Syria though it's a totally different story.
It's like the kremlin was going into self destruct mode or maybe made some deals under the table for something?
>it is useful toward the end goal of undermining American hegemony and influence
The hell it is! It brands anyone that brings it up as guilty of incapable of passing a community college-tier basic economics class, an american 'unexceptionalist' (which is as bad as an american exceptionalist), someone that overestimates niggers, someone that fails to understand modern history, and someone with zero grasp of how cartels and commodity markets work.
this is sadly the truth
Though I think compiling all the times this type of shit has happened and putting into a nice infographic with the links to the actual files would be a good idea.
>Why happened the great depresion
The same thing that's happening in China right now, but without the benefit a 78 trillion dollar global economy acting as a ballast
>Why affected the whole world
To the large part it didn't. Protectionism ensured that everyone suffered on their own and by their own devices.
>Nato axed Gadaffi because Sarkozy wanted to give the illusion France has power
It's because Saddam was a US puppet, that's why.
The American govt desperately tries to hide it, but it used to be the largest supporter of Saddam back in the day. The US helped Saddam in his coup by greatly financing him and giving him lists of enemies to assassinate. Then during the war with Iran, the US greatly supported Saddam with millions of dollars in not only weapons, but chemical weapons.
The US sent strains of anthrax and many other ingredients for chemical weapons. Later on the US invited Saddam over with his men and gave him a tour of American chemical weapons and how to make chemical weapons. Saddam later became an Honorary Citizen of the United States.
The US always supported Saddam when he needed it. During the Iran-Iraq war, when Saddam used chemical bombs on Kurdish civilians at Halabja in order to genocide them, the US quickly came to his aid with the US State of Department saying that it was Iran's fault.
Saddam always did what he has done from day one. It's crazy that the one thing it took to convince the US to ditch this bloody dictator was him attacking oilfields in Kuweit. The US truly has 0 regard for human life and cares only about the oil. Syria is different though. Assad is Putin's boy and will always be on his side. This is why the US can't touch Assad, but can only arm Islamists instead.
Actually, it's consistent with them grabbing as much physical gold as they can. They do this everywhere they can get access. Look up the Germans and Chinese asking for their gold, which had been held at Fort Knox, and complaining that it had been stolen from and then adulterated. I don't understand this business of a gold-backed African currency, sounds like a classic establishment red herring, although they do want to bring in new global currencies, and they would need to start it off with gold. They always do that, start with gold for credibility, transition to silver for flexibility, then grab all the gold abd tell you that you don't need any because pure paper is better. The gold grab is comparable to the seizure and destruction of priceless antiquities. They want to control everythjng, and if they can't have it, no one can.
The third world war will be between Russia and Greater Israel. Remember that 2016 is a jubilee year and Israel will take more land in 2016.
If you only knew how bad things really are.
Would have been better if you had NOT linked freethoughtproject. If I didn't see the foia pdf link, I would have stopped right at the first URL. That site is 200% cultural marxist bullshit masqyerading as some kind of "revolutionary" left-libertarian shit.
Iran deal is a Trojan Horse that America will use as the Saudis begin to falter and suffer from the same extremism they promote. Things will go to shit quickly and attacks against Iran and threats to Israel will begin from Saudi extremist.
US will be forced to intervene and support Iran. Attacks against Israel from the Saudis will occur manufactured or not. Land will be ceded to Israel to placate it.
look at libya under ghaddfia(legit for africa) and libya today(shit compared to anywhere in the world)
whose idea was it to put an IMF bank in libya 3 weeks after ghaddaffi was killed?
yes he is
>if they wanted greater israel, they would have got it long time ago
how do you destroy the mosquee on the temple mount to build the temple of jerusalem exactly?
>you just want to blame jews
like every great figures
It gets 60% and growing from itself, it gets quite a lot from Canada on top of that. In the next few weeks it now begins to purchase Iranian oil. OPEC and the Saudis are going to lose big very soon.
so what will happen if a republican win?
as you know republicans dont like Iran and you would think the supreme leader will let isreal have syria and iraq?
you are forgetting some details, my friend
Sorry bro but the rarest I have seen so far was Niue at 1190 population. Pretty hard to beat
WHAT A MESS WE MADE
WHEN IT ALL WENT WROOOOOOOOOOOOONG
>you forget US get its oil from Saudi arabia
Trump does not want conflict with Iran. He is the only republican that doesn't and if any republican is going to win it's going to be him.
Supreme leader will be supremely grateful for two of it's mortal enemies assisting it in destroying a mortal enemy of it's faith. Israel will not get everything but it will get enough to make it infinitely more dangerous.
Gaddafi's big mistake was turning his army's guns on protesters. That escalated the civil war and legitimised NATO's airstrikes. I'm sure they would have found a way to arrange for him to be killed anyway, but if he did everything by the book he wouldn't have been so easy to paint as a brutal dictator despised by his people.
>he wouldn't have been so easy to paint as a brutal dictator despised by his people.
So they didn't like the automatic 50,000USD to newly weds? Or his clean water programs? Or I don't know a fucking stable country
>Trump does not want conflict with Iran
he tweeted something against iran and said that obama shouldnt have made the deal with iran
>Supreme leader will be supremely grateful for two of it's mortal enemies assisting it in destroying a mortal enemy of it's faith
the supreme leader hate israel more than anything, even more than saudi arabia
>Israel will not get everything but it will get enough to make it infinitely more dangerous.
and how will they be more dangerous?
they cant even get gaza
we need to fucking nationalize our god damned banks
I'm guessing not a single person even bothered to read the email because it's not about what you're saying it's about
It's about French interests in Libya (the French wanted this more than anyone), and Gaddafi's financial reserves
It says nothing about intervening because he tried to set up a gold-backed currency
What he's saying is that Gaddafi can sustain his regime against rebel attack indefinitely (in the absence of external intervention) because he has vast gold reserves (which he had because of this currency plan, which is why the mentioned it)
Wow... that pic related is fucking awesome. I love it and hate it at the same time. Your pic makes me feel so weird. I looooo-o-ove it? I dunno. It's cool
We had Sinai a couple of time in the past already and left it peacefully each time. First time for a DMZ in Sinai which wasn't kept and a second time for a semi DMZ in Sinai and peace which works.
If we wanted Sinai we would just not leave it.
The money pumped in from all that oil money obviously didn't make all the citizens happy, no. Libya still had its poor, too, with 30% unemployment (see above image illustrating that the unemployed were not in fact paid as though employed).
Presumably they thought that without Gaddafi stability would continue.
Only if all nations declares war on them, capitalism is good, don't get me wrong, but left unmoderated bankers will just print money left and right and fuck the economy in ways people can only notice when is too late.
Military needs power over banks.
Turn big brother to survelance all banks and punish them by execution.
>he tweeted something against iran and said that obama shouldnt have made the deal with iran
My guess is the guy meant armed conflict. He probably doesn't want a conflict at all but first of all he wants to re-negotiate the Iranian deal. Which I doubt is possible anyway because most of what the US gave up is irreversible.
>the supreme leader hate israel more than anything, even more than saudi arabia
He doesn't really have KSA, and he definitly doesn't hate Israel, in-fact he endorsed Netenyahu during our elections.
Furthermore Trump was grand marshal of the 40th annual Salute to Israel Parade in New York (2004).
>they cant even get gaza
We don't want it, that's why we left it.
About the Iran deal, I don't think Trump is against it he just doesn't like the terms of it. He doesn't like how we are giving them so much money, didn't get our prisoners back, and how Iran has so much time to prepare for inspections. He feels he could have negotiated a much better deal. He said he wouldn't rip the deal up like other candidates have, but will police Iran heavily to make sure they don't break the terms.
>he tweeted something against iran and said that obama shouldnt have made the deal with iran
Trump said we should've negotiated better and got the uranium instead of Ruskies, not that we never should've negotiated at all. He doesn't want to fuck with Iran.
elite jews know how to wait and how to legitimately extend israel borders, they are trying to do it for centuries now
greater israel is in the torah, israel will control the world after edom falls, ben gourion and many others said it, it's on Bank of Israel logo
you know it better than me
Gaddafi changed his ways and made peace with the west, he voluntarily closed his nuclear program. He was endorsed by everyone in the west after his change of heart, and even payed reperation for the Pan-am.
You mean French. Your country and people pushed for this.
>Land will be ceded to Israel to placate it.
>Attacks against Israel from the Saudis will occur
lol, there is literally no chance for either of these happening.
Israel and KSA don't share a border. so terrorists would have to go through Jordan and attack from there, or from Sinai.
The Saudi gov has it's hands full of Hezballah/Yemen/Iran/low oil prices to fuck with us.
Name one country in the world that would support land being ceded to Israel? Not to mention, again Israel and KSA don't share a border, so if we take land from them it would be an enclave in the most important Muslim land. Why would we want that and how would we maintain it?
Iraq fired SCUDs at us during the gulf war, was land ceded? Lebanon fired 4000 rockets at us at 2006, was land ceded?
Your fooled by delusion. Greater US is much more likely.
France and Italy spearheaded it, I believe the US had the same level of involvement (politically) as the UK if not less.
>/pol/ memers sad that a dictator who funded terrorism, hoarded Libya's wealth, and killed his own citizens with impunity died.
Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
So you're arguing that instead of just keeping land we already controlled we contrived some delusional plan to give up the land and then re-gain it?
That makes no sense. How dumb are you? I'm quite curios.
>greater israel is in the torah
So are Giants, and biblical monsters. You won't find 1 person in Israel that believes in this nonsense. At best there is a tiny minority that believe that Israel should include parts of Jordan (biblical Israel, pic related), and that's it.
Elected by whom dear dindu? The public in Europe also supported this assault as you supported the "people" rising up for the Arab spring.
It's funny because in Israel the term used was Islamic winter from the get go, as a play on the western term Arab spring. It was already in use in April 2011 (earliest I've found)
Imagine that. Going against the international communist jew and you get murdered or overthrown.
Anyone got a list of those responsible? Who are these "mega jews" that run the world?
A simple question to throw at people these days to test their most basic political knowledge:
>Are Iraq and Libya better or worse since Saddam and Gaddafi respectively were taken out?
Their answer might surprise you. I know it's surprised me a few times. Pic 100% related.
Sorry, but don't believe for a second France did it solely on their own. Libya is just another domino falling in the middle east that started with America entering Iraq. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya- it's all connected. Same people giving the orders- just because it was French planes via NATO doing the dirty work doesn't mean it wasn't ordered by America who basically run NATO anyway. The whole Arab spring reeks of CIA shenanigans.
either you know nothing of your history, or you are just lying like the kike you are
mossad arab spring goal is to surround israel with daech/ Muslim Brotherhood, only then you will extend your borders
>Elected by whom
I don't remember voting for war in libya, kike
learn how to chutzpah schlomo
Oh bullshit. Everything happening in the middle east right now can be traced back to us. Swallow the redpill, bro. Embrace the truth. We are responsible for ISIS. It's objective truth.
Just vote for Trump so we can swiftly take them out and focus on our own economy. Fuck those sand niggers.
you asked retarded questions yesterday.
>you need to understand that western europeans want black african countrie to stay shit so they can get cheap resources and more value to their currency
Every time an African nation has destabilised their exports have DROPPED. There is no meaningful export volume from Zimbabwe, Lybia, Sudan or any other of these destabilised shitholes. Stability is good for business an eternal shitshorm of sectarian infighting is not.
>The bastards who went on to become ISIS, yeah.
That's like saying the DPR controls Ukraine.
You still have no explained how civil wars in shitholes have resulted in high volumes of cheap exports given that every shithole that has imploded has resulted in a shift towards ZERO export volume.
>mossad arab spring goal is to surround israel with daech/ Muslim Brotherhood, only then you will extend your borders
So according to you our goal is to turn our peaceful borders into a war zone. Then somehow conquer and subjugate a population 20-30 time the size of ours over huge territory?
I wonder if you comprehand how stupid this sounds. More so considering our history shows our goal goes 100% against your fantasies.
Israel strived for peaceful borders with the peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt (leaving Sinai in the process... there goes "greater Israel").
Your accusations have no historic nor real world basis, just the ravings of a mad man.
>I don't remember voting for war in libya, kike
You did vote for Sarkozi. Or your country men did. And your country men supported the operation in Libya, while cheering the Arab spring.
You are unable to take blame for your own actions, because like the average nigger you are too stupid to understand the consequences of your actions or understand reality even.
Chimps be chimpin
Nasser, Soekarno, Castro, Nehru, Nkruma, Tito... the third world used to have a lot of genuine visionaries as leaders. They were much better than Qaddafi. The world is a much less idealistic place than in the 60s. Sad.
Yeah, we know what the gold standard is. What we want to know is why that would pose a threat to anyone. Who cares if Qaddafi switches to the gold standard? It's not like Africa will turn into some superpower and overturn the global power structure.
Hahah I watched this over and over for months
>"Born, as we are, out of a revolution by those who longed to be free, we welcome the fact that history is on the move in the Middle East and North Africa, and that young people are leading the way. Because wherever people long to be free, they will find a friend in the United States. Ultimately, it is that faith — those ideals — that are the true measure of American leadership."
>From Obama's Speech on Libya
Obama tried to pass a French coup d'etat off as saving "muh democracies", and in the process lied to the American people. Shouldn't he be impeached for that or something? I mean, outright lying when Hillary and he knew full well why the coalition was bombing Libya?
We wasted over a billion dollars on that shit.
>I mean, outright lying
Same as Bush with WMD's and such. Our leaders are mere puppets spouting lies for the elite that do essentially whatever they wish with no fear of repercussions.
I mean Bill Clinton did far more shady shit than getting a blowjob in the office; that was just the scandal they decided to put out to entertain and distract the public.
SA, Nigeria, Egypt.
it's not according to me it's your elite goal
theodore herzl "the area of the jewish state scretches from the brook of egypt to the euphrates"
rabbi fischmann, member of the jewish agency for palestine "the promised land extends from the river of egypt up to the euphrates, it includes parts of syria and lebanon"
daech is now in the sinai
sorry to teach you your own history, or; how much jidf pays you?
I read OP's article and it's a joke. Hundreds of emails and this currency matter is referred to only one. And in that one email, it wasn't even listed as one of the five secret motives behind NATO's attack. The concern of a Libyan gold-backed currency was just mentioned in passing. This is not an important issue in the minds of French leaders.
Furthermore, the combined value of the metals is only 4.7 billion USD. That's absolutely nothing, a pittance. France wouldn't give a shit and their lack of discussion of the matter in their hundreds of classified emails reflects that.
OP is tinfoil hattery personified. Nothing to see here, folks.
This article is bullshit.
This article is quoted from the Foreign Policy Journal and I have read it before.
The FPJ article goes from "NATO invaded Libya because of Gold Back Currency" to "Hillary Death Squads" instantly and they never back their initial point.
All they do is vaguely cite one email. And that email states that Gadaffi can keep on fighting this war, despite having his assets frozen because he has a huge gold reserve... and they explain the reasoning behind his huge gold reserve is that he saved up all that gold in hopes of one day creating a gold back currency. That is all. None of the email
While they push this BS forward, they ignore more serious information.
One of the emails state the reason for France intervening was believed to be because France wanted Libyan oil and wanted to expand their influence in the region, while France presented their whole "no-fly zone" idea to the United Nations as a means to prevent civilian casualties. That is clearly not surprising though, when ever a country gets involved with a foreign intervention, it's always for their own nations self interest.
>just noticed this email from "Sid" must be from Sidney Blumenthal, whom Clinton swore she wasn't receiving advice or intelligence about Libya from in her capacity as Secretary of State
No African nation has improved in any metric after removing these supposed 'western colonial' rulers. Not. One.
That, is the fault of those who took over, namely, blacks. Usually backed by soviet (in the past) or Islamic (today) external powers.
Gold standard doesn't work, it failed for even the most resilient economies after the two world wars and puts countries into trade deficits because gold is need to back the currency.
A floating currency is better in every way, with a federal reserve bank that controls interest rates, foreign investment is encouraged to come into the country.
Gold standard is a meme and Gaddafi would have fucked up the African Union in the long run with this carbon copy of the Breton Woods system.
Did we withdraw from Sinai 2 times?
Did we withdraw from parts of Syria?
Did we withdraw from Gaza
Did we withdraw from Lebanon
Did we withdraw from the Palestinian cities in the WB and A territories?
It's a fact that we are not seeking some grand Israel land expansion, and definitely not looking to rule a territory with over 20 times the size of our population.
We have sought peace with Egypt and Jordan and have offered the same to Syria.
We have offered 97% of the WB to the Palestinians and left Gaza.
We withdrew from Lebanon to the international border (UN recognized).
Hell at the time we even offered Gaza to Egypt, and there were negotiations to give the WB back to Jordan, but the Arab countries didn't follow through because they didn't want to be burdened with Palestinians.
I would call your posts lies, but they are not even that, it's substance induced hallucinations.
You know, the implications of this are quite frightening. If some relatively unknown African country could threaten global hegemony to the point of full scale invasion over backing their currency in gold, the system is just another straw away from breaking apart. It shows no one really has faith in centralized value- making and is waiting for any opportunity to pull their money out and go elsewhere if they back their currency with gold. That such a simply roadblock to corruption and financial manipulation would cause this much fear... we're just waiting for the end now.
>Don't use proxies
>have same flag and or same ID
Am i the only real person in this thread?
Check ID's man. I'm a different poster. I just thought that comment was a flat out lie because:
1. Israel has expanded it's borders massively since it was created.
2. It has carried out aggressive operations against its neighbors multiple times. The six day war being an example. You actually attacked a US spy ship so as to avoid us getting evidence that you were the aggressors.
> not looking to rule a territory with over 20 times the size of our population.
Of course not, you want those people dead and replaced with more Chosen People.
The EU's GDP is 18 trillion USD. I don't give a fuck if Qaddafi had 5 billion USD worth of diamonds from Mars, his thoughts of a pan-African currency not a threat to the West's economic supremacy.
I'll tell you one thing I've learned.
I will never, ever believe the electric Jew again.
Where is this Herzel quote taken from? It's accustomed to name the source when making quotes, but somehow there are none for you.
Need a source for the second quote as well, though I wouldn't be surprised if some Rabbi said something 100 years ago...
You won't find a politician including Herzel claiming any more land than Israel and parts of Trans Jordan (which was somewhat popular 50 years ago).
For example you can view what the Zionist originally asked from the Ottoman empire and later the British empire. both consistent with my claim and go against your made up stuff.
Furthermore the best proof is that in reality time and time again we were willing to leave land of so called "greater Israel" in exchange for a peaceful border.
I dont understand
Is this thread some sort of controlled opposition thingy?
>time and time again we were willing to leave land
Nope sorry. Every single instance was a poisoned pill designed to be rejected so that Israel could go "look, they don't want peace".
Israel is filthy liars, but to be balanced they're telling the truth when they claim that the Arabs will never have any goal except total elimination of the state.
It's a funny old world that way.
>there isnt such a thing
1. Israel has expanded it's borders massively since it was created.
In each of these cases we were attacked or given casus belli.
In 1956 and 1967 Egypt blockaded our southern port of Eilat, that is an act of war.
After Egypt blockaded an Israeli port in 1956 Israel took Sinai. An agreement was reached for Israel to leave Sinai and in return we got guarantees from the US and Egypt for free passage in our waterways, and a UN peacekeeper force stationed in Sinai.
In 1967 Egypt not only blockaded us again, they kicked out the peacekeepers, going back on the previous CF agreement, and pushed huge amount of forces into Sinai.
Followed with a military cooperation agreement between Egypt and Syria and the following rethoric:
>“it is the duty of all of us now to move from defensive positions to offensive positions and enter the battle to liberate the usurped land…Everyone must face the test and enter the battle to the end.” - President Attassi of Syria
Feb 22nd 1967
>“(this battle will be)…followed by more severe battles until Palestine is liberated and the Zionist presence ended.” - Syria’s information minister Mahmoud Zubi
April 8th 1967
>“We will not accept any…coexistence with Israel.…Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel….The war with Israel is in effect since 1948”. - Gamel Abdel Nasser press conference
May 28th 1967
In light of all this. Israel had clear casus belli to attack the Egyptians and force open the blockade.
>You actually attacked a US spy ship so as to avoid us getting evidence that you were the aggressors.
You seem a bit reasonable, check when the USS Liberty was hit, it was days after the offensive started, not on the first day not the second.
1. Attacking the ship would be useless at this point as any information that was 3 days old would have been transmitted to the US long long ago.
2. Israel never tried to hide that we were making the first active strike.
it doesn't matter and is set, just like a business sets the price of its products. it can price itself out of a market, or right in the middle.
that's the whole point of that model of currency -- it gives absolute control versus "hope"
>Every single instance was a poisoned pill designed to be rejected so that Israel could go "look, they don't want peace".
So what did we gain leaving the Sinai other than peace?
Furthermore, we left no land in order to make peace with Jordan, we do give them water.
Some stormy blog claims so... oh vey.
That website is leftwing af mate. The guy who runs it is a Russian Jew who is critical of zionism and never talks about white genocide/race mixing and other "stormy" things.
He's my favorite jew tbqh
I do remember two simmilar proxy attacks and Jewish retaliation leading to a land grab before the little "war." There was a little bit of speculation over bombing infrastructure and utilities being used to justify expansion but nothing came of an investigation from NATO and everyone knows NATO is unbiased.
I'm curious as to what you believe the reason Israel attacked the Liberty was then. The best hypothesis I had heard was to stop us from listening about one of your later aggressive assaults (against Syria I believe), though I admit this was just ad hoc because the true reason is mostly a mystery.
And don't give me the "it was an accident" bullshit. There's more than enough evidence to show it was intentional. Clearly I don't blame YOU personally for the attack. (I would hate to be held personally responsible for all the shit my country has gotten away with.)
You would have to be more specific for me to understand what you're talking about.
Again, there was no land grab but traditional war with casus belli.
A military blockade of ports is considered a military action anywhere in the world.
We left the land captured as soon as the threat was neutralized.
There would have been no war should the Egyptians gave no Casus belli and broke the CF agreements.
Occhams razor dictates it was just a common mistaken identity, something that happens frequently in war.
Now I know what you're going to say, the ship wasn't looking like anything the Egyptians had, which is true. But then there are numerous examples of similar things happening throughout wars.
Israel simply had nothing to gain from attacking the ship. We didn't even try to use captured Soviet munition or anything, there was no way to hide from the US that it was Israel that hit the ship.
>just a common mistaken identity
I told you not to try that. We actually have recorded logs of your attack planes saying they know the ship is American. The US flag was clearly visible as were its markings and you had a scout plane that spotted it before the attack so it could clearly identify it. Survivors of the attack have spoken out that it was simply not possible that they didn't know who the ship belonged to.
>I told you not to try that. We actually have recorded logs of your attack planes saying they know the ship is American.
Have you listened to the records (or translation)?
No. I know you haven't. Because that's not what the recording says. The was one controller that one time during the hours of chatter mumbles Americans to himself in a questioning voice, after a little while someone asks him what did he says (one of the pilots) and he says he doesn't remember/nothing. Sounds like he was wondering to himself and rejected the thought.
>The US flag was clearly visible
That's questionable. Furthermore even if there was a flag that doesn't require it to be visible all the time. And anyway it's not a clear indication in time of war.
The US has reported to Israel that you have NO ships in the region. That was the report the US gave us.
>Survivors of the attack have spoken out that it was simply not possible that they didn't know who the ship belonged to.
I ask you again, what did Israel had to gain from attacking the ship?
That's called a subjective opinion.
>The first reference occurred at 1:54 p.m. local time, two minutes before the Israeli jets began their first strafing run.
>In the Post transcript, a weapons system officer on the ground suddenly blurted out, "What is this? Americans?"
>the controller directing the attack asked his chief in Tel Aviv to which country the target vessel belonged.
>"Apparently American," the chief controller replied.
And there's even more in the article.
>I ask you again, what did Israel had to gain from attacking the ship?
That's what I was asking you. But you seem intent on lying.