HAPPENING TAIWAN JUST ELECTED ANTI-CHINA LEADER >Pro-Ind

>>61156024
Aaaand they're dead.

NUMBA WAN

>>61156024
I for one will welcome all these Taiwanese qt refugees.

>female president
The country ia done for

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>>61156024

This pleases me and world japry.

>>61156024
RIP Taiwan

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Who would even help Taiwan if China invaded and occupied them? There could be some disapproving words, 'sanctions', but basically the world would stand by and watch it happen.

Look how tiny it is on the map, like a bit of dust in the shadows of Russia and China.

>>61156024

welcome back real china! down with cheap chinese knockoff china!

>>61156600
>DESIGNATED

I appreciated that, as well as your double dubs

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>>61156600
>India

>>61156600
US has defense treaties with TW I think

>>61156600
Japan, USA, South Korea all want independent Taiwan. They have defensive pacts and stuff I think. One of the Chinese governments fled there a while back and PRC claims it's the real government.

>>61156132
How? China wouldn't dare try it or else its war with the United States since we have agreements with Taiwan for defense.

>>61156600
Nato.

>China cries about imperialism
>grabs at any land it can get its greasy paws on
Bravo.

China won't do shit
They can't do shit, they can scream cry and threaten all they want but they won't actually invade Taiwan, taiwan is not a defenceless island it would be an absolute slaughter for both sides if China invaded Taiwan, ofcChina could take Taiwan but the slaughter will come with terrible economic sanctions that would destroy the already weak Chinese economy and the possibility of the west intervening is very real Japan won't just stand and watch.

>>61156843
>>61156819
>>61156950
>>61156992


USA is too far away strategically, they're not going to wage war with Russia and China over some tiny island. It'll be Crimea 2.0.

>>61156024
fuck taiwan
ONE CHINA

There is only one China.

Good.

PRC needs to collapse, both for the happiness of all of those Asian QTs and for the good of the rest of the world.

>>61157050
Japan is close, straya is close, if USA steps in we all do. That includes you Muhammad

>>61157050
Apart from taiwan has it's own army and airforce and navy that has been preparing for the day of invasion for 70 years.

There will be a gun behind every blade of grass. Not to mention booby traps and god knows what other surprises.

Those PRC paratroopers will be on a suicide mission.

Not to mention 3 US aircraft carrier battlegroups that would arrive in under a week.

China = REKT

Taiwan #1

>>61156024
Goodnight, sweet princess.

>>61156992
>North Atlantic Treaty Organization

>North Atlantic
>Taiwan

Why would NATO defend a non-NATO member? The US is obligated to defend Taiwan based on the US-Taiwan Relations Act, but Taiwan has nothing to do with NATO.

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>>61157051
>>61157104

>>61156024
There won't be a war. We are a small nation and we know our limits. We will play smart and maintain the de facto independence. Now that we finally have the parliament we will focus on those reforms the KMT have denied us for over 70 years. They've been trying to turn Taiwan into the next Philippines but that ends now.

The Chinese regime will collapse eventually. 10 to 20 years. Then, we rise.

>>61157624
You didn't have to reply to me, I never specified the nature of this one china.

>>61157561
>China invades taiwan,
>US intervenes under taiwan defense agreement
>China retaliates against USA,
>NATO mutual defense activated
>China REKT

>>61157299
>Taiwan army
>good
nigga they use anti-naval artillery from the 60s

>>61156291
Why would a rich, safe and prosper country take refuge in a third-world doomed economy full of black people ?

>>61157708
>mfw romania.

Lol keep assembling taiwans laptops.
Taiwan is a nuclear capable state with a high tech economy. What does Romania have? Oh yeah thats right, unemployment.

good i hope they BTFO the Chinese

fuck China fuck communists

>>61157651
I didn't know China could post here.

>taiwan
>democracy matters their
>bbc
>not hyping up something irrelevant

>>61157794
#bantz

>>61157794
C'mon Taiwan, everybody's doing it.

>>61156600

Japan would. They have been buddies for over 100 years.

Taiwan is basically China as a 1st world democracy.
Shame that the KMT didn't win the civil war, the entire mainland might be like that by now.

>>61157651
Taiwanbro!
Are your feelings fairly common in Taiwan? Would most Taiwanese oppose an invasion by the PRC, or are they for independence with words only?

Also, which city do you live nearest? What're your thoughts on the most likely invasion route? t. Wargamer

>>61157651
>They've been trying to turn Taiwan into the next Philippines
How so?

>>61156291
W-will you really senpai

>>61156600
What do foreigners feel when they see their small ass countries next to wast Russian lands?

>>61158098
Its pretty cosy actually.

>>61158098
Happiness at not being Russian.

Good for them. Dignity and self-respect are priceless.

It's disgraceful that the international community enable China to shame Taiwan by not even letting them use the name or flag of their country. Free peoples deserve better.

The recent story of the Taiwanese pop star forced to give a formal apology, even though she's just a kid, absolutely shameless.

Congratulations, Taiwan. All China has to offer is money, threats, and insults.

>>61158098
>Mercator projection

>>61158098
I wonder why you had all that land and aren't ruling the world already. What have you been doing?

>>61158013
Indeed... If you take China population with Taiwan GDP/capita, you would have a superpower dwarfing even the US...

>>61158098
You mean Russian waste lands?

Though I'm not one to talk.

>>61158069
Trying to make a functioning economy out of literally sucking the dicks of global superpowers in return for scraps.

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>>61158187
We even have cute kittens

>>61158013

Give PRC 10-20 years to fall, plus another 10 for China's economy to really take root.

The seeds of good infrastructure are already planted. They just need to give those communists a taste of their own medicine.

Isn't Hong Kong also still hostile to China's rule over them?

>>61158013
No not really. It would be like India.

>>61158040
Anti-communist propaganda since childhood, so it's basically :
Population : 23millions
Potential reservist to fight China : 23 millions

They have this horribly retarded idea that guns are evil and they are totally banned however, making any kind of resistance post-invasion completely innexistant.

>>61158258

post butt

>>61158266

China's economic success only cements the power of the CCP. People will keep their mouths shut as long as they're getting paid.

They don't know any better either. As long as the CCP controls the media, the entire country will stay indoctrinated. The only way the PRC falls is if the people become miserable and poor enough, unlikely.

All they care about is money.

>>61158172
We just need to get sober. Wait for it.

>>61156024
>democratic
>progressive

what could go wrong?

>>61156024
*Republic of China

There is only one China. The other one is a communist rebel state

>>61158313

There's a lot of unrest in HK, but they can't really do anything to change it.

CCP is growing bolder too. State security has begun disappearing HK booksellers who publish books critical of Beijing. Booksellers have even been disappeared in Thailand.

It's a huge story in HK and Taiwan right now.

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>>61158435

>Canada
>Small

>>61158329
We poo in Japanese-imported ultra-modern electronic toilet.

How the fuck would we be remotely related to India ?

>>61158484
>communist

You best be joking, nigger.

this mean its a happening upon us?

>>61158558
He's right.
There one China; and there is also the mainland rebels.

>>61158348
This

I grew up in taiwan in the 90's. Pretty much everything was geared around expecting a communist invasion at any second. Air raid drills every 6 months, if you bought a monopoly set the chance cards would have things like "you shot down a communist fighter jet collect $200"

Taiwan is a very small country with a very capable government, a government set up to run a country of a billion people transplanted onto an island of 20 million.

>>61158484

Many people want to change the name of the country to Taiwan, but China has threatened to invade over any moves towards independence.

That makes sense to me though. There is one China, the mainland, and one Taiwan. Just go your separate ways.

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>>61158313

>Taiwan leaves
>Hong Kong leaves

Goodbye, PRC.


>>61158329

Orientals are smart. For starters, they don't shit in the streets and worship public toilets. They're great at STEM. They also have a culture of structure and hard work.

If the PRC died, the region would get an economic shot in the arm, and I have no doubt that they would run with it.

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>>61158476


http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/watch-taiwan-presidential-frontrunner-officially-endorses-marriage-equality/

She said that if she gets elected then she will make Taiwan the first country in asia to have gay marriage.

>>61158635
>dont shit in streets

You've never been to mainland china i see.

>>61158598
Yes.
To celebrate her victory, Tsai-IngWen said she will take 2 millions refugees from Europe to relieve your burden.

Haha, kidding :3

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>>61156024

>>61158098

That comfy surface level from Goldeneye.

>>61158098
I can't

>>61158635

Chinese do shit in the streets actually.

And they bring their kids to HK and let them shit and piss in the streets there.

They also come to TW as tourists and piss and shit on public beaches.

>>61157299
Have you been to taiwan? They the most childish bunch of effeminate cunts on the planet

>>61158013

Taiwan is a dwarf spoonfed and protected by the U.S.A to oppose China. If it wasn't for that they might as well have turned into another shithole like Vietnam.

It doesn't matter what political system exists in China or won. The U.S.A. aims to oppose, single out and destablize China, exactly to prevent it from becoming as rich as Taiwan and keep it exploitable and easier to control instead.

The U.S.A. would be the first to remove the democratic elected leaders if they seem competent and selfsufficient and implement yet another unstable and corrupt regime that sells out the country for the gain of some elites that move their assets over to countries like the U.S. or hand it over to some terror group , if they had a serious chance.

>>61158681

Smart move.

By making it the most liberal democratic nation in the region it can become the darling of the west and forge key alliances.

>>61158753
>Have you been to taiwan? They the most childish bunch of effeminate cunts on the planet

Holy shit your right, In Taiwan, guys who look androgynous are considered desirable for some reason.

Mainly because of influence from animu.

>>61158753

They have a superior democracy to the US.

Voter turnout is close to 100%. Third party scene is pretty vibrant and actually taken seriously. Corruption is shockingly low, especially with China blatantly trying to buy the election, they still couldn't win.

They really cherish democracy in a way that we don't anymore.

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>>61158715
>tfw no qt taiwanese bf

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>>61157050
>USA is too far away strategically

>>61158874
democracy works even better with propaganda than communism does, look at the leftism in tthe West.

>>61158753
Factoid : Australian-made anti-ship missile are less efficient if the operator doesn't appear manly.
Hence their retarded belief about how a population should look like to properly defend itself.

>>61158901
His dog meat buns are super popular with the local schoolgirls.

>>61158901
the one in the background is what most of them ar elike

>>61158837

>western leftists
>caring about what happens outside of the west, beyond passing lipservice

Good joke.

>>61158865

That shit is just in magazines and idol groups.

Average Taiwanese guys are skinny nerds. More manly than Japanese guys though.

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>>61156024
I finally get a qt gf with high iq genes. Refugees when?

>>61158958
How's that english teaching job going Joe?

>>61159013
In Japan macho men with muscles are seen as gay

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>>61158948

>>61159015
hate to break it to you but they're all flat-chested as fuck

>>61158976
>russia

The country so poor they actually sold human flesh in markets in the 90's

>>61157299
>Taiwan
>gun behind every blade of grass. Not to mention booby traps and god knows what other surprises
>implying the spoiled little girls called Taiwans army with their toyguns won't shit their pants just from hearing of the invasion and cry like bitches in a corner because they don't even have even the balls to desert.

>>61159015
>qt
>retarded looking gook

>>61159087


If you ever see a asian girl in general that isnt flat then either their fat or wearing a pushup bra with tons of pads.

>>61158635
I think that probably explains why taiawanese people havemsuch high iqs. After the revolution, Chinas government and business elite elote all migrated to this small island.

>>61159110
Heres your 5 cents Lee

>>61159031
I see the English teacher's reputation is international :3
But no, engineer here.

>>61159070

Same in Taiwan. Weightlifting isn't popular at all. Marathons and other exercise activities are popular though, especially group exercise.

I was squatting 2 plate in a gym in Taipei one time and a Taiwanese guy started asking me a bunch of questions like I was fucking He-man.

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Taiwan is China!

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>>61159104
I'd rather ate human flesh than British "cuisine"

>>61159015
You will only be accepted as a refugee if you got some serious skill or money m8.

But for honor's sake, try to fight Achmed a little before fleeing here...

>>61159176
I guess it's a cultural difference, since beautiful men who look androgynous have appeared in Japanese literature for 1000 years now

>>61157050
>The the UK is too far away strategically, there is no way they would step in if we took the Falklands!

See how that worked out for them.

>>61159110
> be fat greasy Chinese who flee to the West to escape military service.
> become online warrior for Mainland

>>61159087

Bullshit, there are plenty of decent titties in Taiwan. Plastic surgery is getting huge too (badum tss*).

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MERKEL 2

This time the invasion is from a nation!

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>>61156600
ASIAN RAR CUMFIRMED FUGGG EBIN

It makes me angry to no end that countries like Iran and North Korea have seats in the UN,

but an independent peaceful nation of free people like Taiwan doesn't.

>>61157651
Most autistic shit I've ever read

> A small Island of 20 million will 'rise' as to fill the power vacuum where 1 billion people who have more connections and resources therein will also compete with, on the entire assumption that the Chinese regime will collapse despite the existing establishment strongly consolidating its power under the guise of 'corruption purges'

>>61158040
The mainstream already sees Taiwan as independent. The only excuse for war is a constitutional reform that ratifies the statehood of Taiwan, as opposed to the current regime in exile: the ROC.

We also know our military can't withstand the PLA, so there's no point. I think the military has outlived its usefulness anyway, and was only propped up by the KMT as a voter base. The right thing for Taiwan to do is start diversifying the economy, to minimise the damages from a future Chinese collapse.

Hope begins today.

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>when your vassal province thinks they got the balls and stacks to rebel.
Idk what's gonna happen but hope China gets em. Peace be with you based china

I hope Tsai-IngWen will legalize weapon carrying...

A country with the weapon possesion rate of the US + population who hate invaders would be absolutely unattackable, even a 1 million strong invading force would be slaughtered at every street corner.

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>>61156992
>autism the post

>>61159478

How do you think the PRC will try to punish Taiwan for voting the DPP in?

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>>61159478
>Hope begins today.
Just like hope began in 2008 for America.

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>>61159417
Haha, even Palestine has a UN seat. Tibet and Taiwan are literally the most cucked nations on Earth.

>>61157702
Have you even read the NATO alliance treaty? Article 5 of the treaty does not come into effect if a NATO member makes the first strike.

Am I not surprised that Brits can't fucking read English, since it's not the language of the Quran.

>>61159569
They won't, because they have other things to take care of (like their economy & stock market)

Taiwan is not THAT of a big deal for mainland.

>>61159478
>The right thing for Taiwan to do is start diversifying the economy, to minimise the damages from a future Chinese collapse.

How?

Its not like Taiwan is going to boost their economy if they just started exporting to Japan whose economy has been in life support since 1990.

>>61159630
Did we miss an article about 1.400 Taiwanese girls raped by foreigners who enjoy protection from the government and police ?

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>>61159417
because taiwan thinks its the legitimate regime of china idiot

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Are you guys still going along with the plan to abolish conscription?

>>61159744
ooooooooooooooooooh

>>61159630

That's not Taiwan's fault, it's ours! We're the cucked ones!

We kicked a democratic nation out of the UN, because it was a condition for doing business with a communist country.

Need I remind you of the UK's absolutely shameful welcome of China's president where he rode in a fucking golden carriage to meet your queen! UK refuses to provide state security to the Dalai Lama or meet with him because the PRC demands that he be shunned.

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>>61159744

>>61159761

Bullshit. Ask any Taiwanese person.

PRC forces them to keep the name Republic of China under threat of invasion. Most Taiwanese want to be an independent country.

>>61156600

The US is obligated - and not by a treaty either; by its own domestic law - to go to war to protect Taiwan's independence.

China passed a similar law in 2005 called the AntiSecession Law that says if Taiwan ever declares independence, China will go to war with them.

>>61158013
>Shame that the KMT didn't win the civil war, the entire mainland might be like that by now.
>>61158187
>If you take China population with Taiwan GDP/capita, you would have a superpower dwarfing even the US...

I don't get why people think that if the commies lost the war, China would be some kind of magical and rich place where everybody is happy and free.

It isn't difficult to make Taiwan rich. It's a small island with 23 million people. It had settlements built up by the Qing coffers, infrastructure such as roads, hospitals and schools built during Japanese rule, and was an American cash cow during KMT rule due to Congress believing that the US should do everything it could to support Taiwan against the red menace.

China, by comparison, is much larger in land area, and by population. It's much more difficult to manage. China under KMT rule was rife with corruption and fragmented political power; Chiang Kai-shek struggled to unify rule against warlords to the north and in the western regions. Politicians were in bed with Triad members. Anyone would be a fool to think that China wouldn't be a third-world mafia land if the KMT won the war.

>>61159776

She's cute.
Would sidepiece.

>>61158958

I didn't even know we made anti-ship missiles.

Cool.

she's not anti china. she's anti CCP. There's a big difference. The chinese people despise the CCP

OY VEY THIS IS ANOTHER RAPE OF NANKING

WANG, ZHOU, GET THE PEOPLES ARMY READY

>>61159982

The difference is that China isn't bound by their laws because there is no rule of law there.

They have plenty of laws against human rights abuses and due process, but they don't let it prevent the CCP from going after whoever they want and making them disappear.

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>>61159776

>>61159630
>Tibet
>Taiwan
>Nations

>>61159985
>I don't get why people think that if the commies lost the war, China would be some kind of magical and rich place where everybody is happy and free.
So basically you don't get why capitalism work and communism dont. Feel the Bern !

>>61159569
If it comes to worst: embargo. However, a significant proportion of Chinese labor is employed by Taiwan businesses. The damage is both ways. All the more reason to strengthen our trades and investing in the SEA countries.

There will be economic repercussions, sure. However, solace can also come from cutting the massive bureaucratic corruption imposed by the KMT, as well as the billions in illegal party assets they've acquired from their 50 year long pillaging.

>>61159985


China pre-ww2, most of the growth went to coastal cities which made rural people very butthurt and think that redistrbituing wealth from coastal cities would make everybody prosperous.

well the PRC did just that and it didn't really do shit so they had to open up in 1978.

There's a case to be said that if China was capitalist earlier then living standards would of been higher than it is today.

>>61160118

CCP is synonymous with China, as far as Chinese people are concerned. They're brainwashed by propaganda so most people don't know any better. There's no free speech or press there, nothing but the party approved message.

Most Chinese just care about money.

Should've let us keep Taiwan

>>61160166
>Separatism never made anyone richer !
>EVER !
>Hear that Catalunia ?!!

>Don't leave us please T__T

>>61159538
>thinking a woman will turn Taiwan into an open-carry nation

I for one support civilian ownership of firearms, but you're asking for too much. I mean, doesn't the Taiwanese media also jump on the "America so crazy!" bandwagon every time there is a school shooting? Here in Australia, literally everyone buys the media hype.

>>61160308

It's funny to see Chinese shills accuse the DPP of being in bed with the US and Japan (as opposed to China).

I wish it was true.

>>61160319
>catalunia
>getting independence
>a bunch of corrupts whiny faggots
Kek

>>61160343
I agree.
It's crazy how the population refuses weapon rights while they are probably the most justified nation in the world to worry about having to overthrow an oppressive regime.

>>61158874

It's a myth that more voters are better. Would you really want 100% of americans voting? Really? Even the people that normally wouldn't care to get out of their chairs to vote. Really think about that.

The larger a population voting the easier it is to manipulate via the media. The less chance a splinter faction makes meaningful difference. The media is a controlled hand of the government. Therefore they would portray higher voter turnout as a good thing.

There is a reason the founding fathers placed restrictions on who could vote.

To vote you should

1. Be male

2. Pass an IQ test to at least 105

3. Serve 5yrs in the United States military (sorry if you're physically unfit. Tough shit)

4. Have a net negative tax impact (you put more into this country than you take out)

If you think that's unfair then you probably don't qualify. Why should you deserve a say in what this country does if you do not give back. Voting should not be something granted for just existing

>>61156843
And ever since Commie China got Taiwans permanent seat at UN Security Council that became a fact. Something that USA recognizes as well.

>>61160343

Also, it would make it too easy for the CCP to assassinate Tsai.

I don't think Taiwanese security is competent enough to guard the president against an armed populace. I don't think the average Taiwanese is responsible enough to own a gun either.

Love Taiwan though!

>>61160169
Do you not admit that even today in Taiwan, what you have is not pure free-market capitalism, but instead cronyism?

How many KMT politicians have Triad and gangster ties? Look at all the big construction companies and businesses in Taiwan, how many of these don't have the backing of underworld mobs? Are there any successful businesses in Taiwan that don't have black money?

If you want free-market capitalism, in Taiwan, China, America or elsewhere, kill off the dirty money trails first. For a good example of a clean and capitalist society, look at Germany or the Netherlands during the 1970s-1980s.

if you ever want to piss of a chink, make sure you mention taiwan is its own country.

>>61157651
Not a chance, CPP knows US patriot missiles unaffected defense, outdated air forces.

US will not dare intervene on largest debt holder and risk global war for two sides of gook coin.

Only chance Taiwan had was to grow ties with BRICS and China, now it will never happen, fate is worse than next philippines, fate now new Hong Kong but with occupying troops.

>>61160463

Net positive*

Goddamnit. I forfeit my right to vote

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>>61160463
>Pass an IQ test to at least 105
> Serve 5yrs in the United States military

Contradiction in terms, chum.

>>61157702
>china invades taiwan
> world sits and watches on tv or china sells us debt and watches dollar collapse western world

>>61160490
>I don't think the average Taiwanese is responsible enough to own a gun either.
As I once heard, "Considering how dangerous they are on a scooter, trusting them with firearms is suicide"

>>61160443
As much as I admire the Americans right to bear arms, we are not Americans. If you can't even trust the populace with automobiles, you can't trust them with guns either.

>>61160483

It's the Brits and French that are the lead bootlickers of the commies.

They crave that gold to rejuvenate their withering countries.

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>>61157927

>>61156024
>woman

>>61156024
sips wine.

i am not dying for this bitch.
>mfw trumps glporious presidency gets interupted by some sin bullshit.

Why can't Taiwan invade China first instead?

That would be totally unexpected.

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TAIWAN NAMMA WAN

>>61160764

I'm dying to see Trump go head to head with China.

TW is the perfect excuse. It's a moral issue where we can show our strength.

>>61160912
where the fuck is that

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>>61156024
Taiwan confirmed for ally.

>>61160565
>Only chance Taiwan had was to grow ties with BRICS and China, now it will never happen, fate is worse than next philippines

你不在耍我吧?你不會是真的相信這個吧?

中共已經知道如果開戰,他們就無法保持經濟擴張。阿共沒有那麼傻,也沒有必要為台灣讓自己的經濟吃屎。

>>61160565
>US will not dare intervene
If they don't, all countries in the world stop using the dollar.
Taiwan, Japan & others only accept vast ammount of worthless US paper solely to purchase protection.
If US refuses to provide it, 'muricans better grab their AR15 and go innawood because shit will hit the high-powered industrial heavy-duty fan.

>>61160882

They sent factories there to work them to death and help them commit suicide en masse. The name of the operation is Foxcon.

>>61160882
There was going to be a joint Taiwan-Japan invasion of China, but the whole country is a biohazard zone now.

I don't come to /pol/ very often. But good to see that my birthplace had not forgotten what it means to be Taiwanese.

Fuck China.

>>61161005

I agree, the US would absolutely intervene. But it probably wouldn't have to. Our presence nearby is sufficient deterrence.

Taiwan is right on our doorstep in Okinawa, so we wouldn't have much choice. We wouldn't allow China to set up bases just miles away from us.

>>61161005

Yeah but usually those countries have US bases.

And the US would obviously be very careful against Russia or China regardless.

They will probably do some sanctions like they did with Russia.

Although they organized the whole Maidan shit in the first place so maybe they did not want to antagonize Russia too much.

I guess it depends whether they have Trump or Hillary.

Trump will find any excuse to bash some communist fuckers.

>>61161119
You're a chink, China's the strongest power base for chinks, they're the best shot you've got at feeling comfortable with your ethnic-national identity

Or

you could continue to feel white dick balls deep in your ass, your choice Uncle

>>61161194
>We wouldn't allow China to set up bases just miles away from us.
But you didn't even do anything when the chicoms set up base on fake islands in the SCS. How can you assure the rest of the world that you won't back down further?

Those airstrips are pretty damn close to your allies, especially the Philippines.

>>61160308
A lot of my taiwan relatives feel the same

CCP is all bluster. They haven't been involved in a significant military engagement since Korea.

I doubt any of the PLA's top leadership ever even saw combat, the whole institution is corrupted by cronyism and politics.

>>61161287
你有腦殘嗎?

滾。

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>>61156600
>DESIGNATED

>>61160978
Democratic progressive woman is /pol/'s ally, just cuz she hates a regime that is against muslims

You guys has no consistency in your convictions

>>61160882

Shitpost properly

To all people thinking:
>Hurr durr no way America will die for a small island
You do realize that no US president would allow such an admission of military weakness, economic weakness, fear of conflict, willingness to abandon allies & unwillingness to defendd their values.

It would basically be saying : "Ok we are France now, someone else take the world leadership; we'll meekly step aside and watch"

...

Oh shit, don't elect Bernie Sanders guys o__O

>>61161287
>You're a chink, China's the strongest power base for chinks, they're the best shot you've got at feeling comfortable with your ethnic-national identity
I don't give a fuck about power base. I give a fuck that my entire childhood was filled with news that China threatens to invade and kill us all. I remember that, and will probably never forget. I was there when DPP won the presidency for the very first time way back when, and I will hope that KMT be knocked back to China where they came from.

>>61161413

You can't have consistency when it comes to international affairs.

Otherwise you end up being like North Korea, hating everyone.

I don't care about jews, but I will back Israel against the Arab nations.

I don't care about Chinamen, but I will back the capitalist and liberal Chinese against the communist ones.

>>61161353
>They haven't been involved in a significant military engagement since Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Paracel_Islands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_at_the_China%E2%80%93Burma_border
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Tibetan_uprising

In summary: They got pushed in by the Soviets, they got into a stalemate with the Vietnamese, they defeated India, they hammered a bunch of unarmed Tibetan peasants.

TAIWAN GONNA GET BLOWN THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>61161536
>Oh shit, don't elect Bernie Sanders guys o__O
Bernie Sanders would be more pro Taiwan than any other current candidates. The only reason the other candidates are pro-China is because Big Money wanted it. I don't think it is likely for Bernie to win the nomination, but if he does I think Taiwan would be better off than before. Bernie care about principles, not money.

>>61161329
To be fair Taiwan was pretty nice when I visited outside of how awful the language sounds.

>>61161565
>but I will back Israel against the Arab nations
Or you could instead be a rational-thinking person, and stay the hell away from a conflict that has nothing to do with you, and does not benefit you.

I wouldn't touch the Arab-Israeli conflict with a ten foot pole, and why would I? I'm not Arab, or an Israeli. Nobody likes a nosy cunt.

>>61161572
> Significant
>>61161565
So you're saying you're a libcuck? Or, you don't realise that China is much more capitalist than Taiwan and is literally not communist in any way other than in its' decor and nomenclature?

>>61161536
>What is Crimea
>What is Tibet
>What is Vietnam
>What is ww2 before pearl harbour was 'attacked'

I could go on. US has a history of pulling out or not helping when it's strategically non advantageous.

>>61161752
>sane non-shitposting Australian
well, if we are breaking stereotypes then let me say that i do poo in loo.

>fucking memes are a thing of past
ah, well, may be we'll have better discussions now.

>>61161816
>Chinese commie army reaches within miles of New Delhi, and only retreats after the US Fleet moves in with aircraft carriers and threatens to intervene
>not significant

>>61161827
They fought in Vietnam
Ukraine & Tibet were not considered allies and under the protection of US; not intervening there was not unexpected.

>>61160308
>Should've let us keep Taiwan
The only reason the Communists won the civil war was because Chiang's forces were exhausted fighting the Japanese.

In the end every nation had done evil at some point, but I live in the present, not past. And right this moment, Japan is a friend of Taiwan, and China is a threat to Taiwan. This is simply what it is and no propaganda can change facts.

>>61161536
I don't know which candidates would or would not back Taiwan, wars based on "well we had an agreement" are extremely unpopular here after Vietnam, communism isn't viewed the way it used to be, and most Americans have never heard of you except on "Made in ____" stickers.

Tzuyu a cute though, I'll fight for Taiwan. What is the age of consent where you live?

>>61161752
>Nobody likes a nosy cunt.
ANTISEMITE !

>>61161941
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War
It was a force intended to disturb and be a political gesture, not to actually capture, that's not even as big as the shit that goes on in the middle east in places you've never heard of today

Literally 80000 troops, to capture a fucking CAPITAL; read the wikipedia article you linked jej

>>61162005
At least the Jews have their own country recognised by the United Nations, Mr. Hsien.

>>61161746
You can thank mainland for hokkien. Lot of older taiwanese can speak jap fluently though they are probably dying out

>>61161941
>>Chinese commie army reaches within miles of New Delhi
not now, trust me.

>US Fleet moves in with aircraft carriers and threatens to intervene
100% will happen if china even so much as threatens to cross the border
Trust USA to flex muscles in someone else's fight. Love you America.

>>61161992
Chiang's forces brutalised Chinese civilians as badly as the Japanese did according to a lot of reports

Read any biography on Chiang, he's literally a fucking lazy Civ player

Mao's forces employed guerrilla tactics and gained mass support due to the fact they weren't actively massacring civilians and invited all to join their forces

>>61162095
>You can thank mainland for hokkien
I don't know what you're implying. Sure, the mainland is where Hokkien, Hakka and Mandarin come from, but what isn't from there?

Aboriginal howling noises?

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>>61161883

>>61162167
Are you forgetting that Mao kind of killed off millions of civilians as well?

Great Leap Forward?

Cultural Revolution?

>>61162167
>Chiang's forces brutalised Chinese civilians as badly as the Japanese did according to a lot of reports
>Read any biography on Chiang, he's literally a fucking lazy Civ player
But of course, Chiang is Chinese too.

The KMT might have been an enemy of the Communist Party once, but they were still formed by Chinese people, not Taiwanese. And of course Chiang was a violent dictator. I don't deny that.

But that is why we need KMT out of the government. The whole "One China" rubbish was caused by the KMT to begin with. Had we changed the nation's name to Taiwan before the tides changed, we wouldn't be in this mess. It is all Chiang's fault.

Taiwan doesn't have a defense treaty with the US. so it's possible that the US and its allied may just stand there and watch. But we all know from history, if any potential enemy has threaten the US benefit around the world. They would probably take action.

I think the Chinese won't launch an invasion until they get at least 3 carrier strike groups by the time 2025 ,which would buy China some time to blockade the region from possible US intervention ,while their amphibious landing force will try to capture Taiwan's capital city before their fleet get destroyed.

>>61162170
Hokkien from what I understand is pretty much mingnan dialect. Its funny since now if you dont speak hokkien in taiwan, you will be regarded as mainland scum. You can use mandarin, but you'll basically be looked down on as if you were a nigger in the states

>>61162084
We need to find a way to foster the same level of international support.
Did I mention the 6 millions Taiwanese who died in Auschwitz...

>>61162386
Sounds like Hong Kong with their Cantonese.

>>61162218
When did I say Mao was good? The only thing is that both Mao and Chiang were shit; Chiang from incompetence and Mao from just being batshit insane, you seem to think Chiang was at least an ordinary statesman, the reason he was beaten by a batshit insane man was because he was just THAT incompetent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek

>>61162316
>Had we changed the nation's name to Taiwan before the tides changed, we wouldn't be in this mess.
The whole "我們一定要解放台灣!" meme started long before Chiang. Many of the early Sun Yat-sen era republicans had the sentiment that Taiwan was something they desired to be returned. It became a popular slogan used by the commies in the 1960s, but the idea predates them by a long stretch. Changing the name of the ROC wouldn't have made much of a difference, the commies would have likewise perceived Taiwan as "theirs".

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>>61162453
b-b-but muh based Chiang meme

>>61162389
The Taiwanese need their own way to say "oy vey".

>you will never confiscate your political opponent's house and turn it into a McDonald's

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/17/ex-taiwan-president-chiang-ching-kuo-home-mcdonalds-restaurant

>>61162662
If Trump wins, will he turn Obama's house into a Burger King?

>>61162738
Kfc

>>61162738
>If Trump wins, will he turn Obama's house into a Burger King?
Obama is just a president, he doesn't even have a dynasty. I find it hilarious that the GOP is trying to claim Obama is a dictator when he doesn't even have his face on a coin. Dictatorship is a big deal and not something the GOP can just make up out of thin air.

>>61158681
>tfw you'll live long enough to see the east become the west

>>61162738
The White House is already the primary residence of the Burger King.

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>>61157050

>>61156024
>inb4 it's planed
>north kotea pressing for peace Contract with usa and defence Agreements with south korea

Kimy knows and he is scared

>>61159294
>escape military service
>military service is not compulsory in mainland china
?????

GOOD JOB TAIWAN!

Taiwan #1