TAIWAN JUST ELECTED ANTI-CHINA LEADER
>Pro-Independence DPP elected, replacing incumbent KMT
>The KMT has been in power for most of the past 70 years and has overseen improved relations with Beijing - Ms Tsai's victory means this is only the second-ever victory for the DPP.
>China sees the island as a breakaway province - which it has threatened to take back by force if necessary.
Who would even help Taiwan if China invaded and occupied them? There could be some disapproving words, 'sanctions', but basically the world would stand by and watch it happen.
Look how tiny it is on the map, like a bit of dust in the shadows of Russia and China.
Japan, USA, South Korea all want independent Taiwan. They have defensive pacts and stuff I think. One of the Chinese governments fled there a while back and PRC claims it's the real government.
China won't do shit
They can't do shit, they can scream cry and threaten all they want but they won't actually invade Taiwan, taiwan is not a defenceless island it would be an absolute slaughter for both sides if China invaded Taiwan, ofcChina could take Taiwan but the slaughter will come with terrible economic sanctions that would destroy the already weak Chinese economy and the possibility of the west intervening is very real Japan won't just stand and watch.
Apart from taiwan has it's own army and airforce and navy that has been preparing for the day of invasion for 70 years.
There will be a gun behind every blade of grass. Not to mention booby traps and god knows what other surprises.
Those PRC paratroopers will be on a suicide mission.
Not to mention 3 US aircraft carrier battlegroups that would arrive in under a week.
China = REKT
>North Atlantic Treaty Organization
Why would NATO defend a non-NATO member? The US is obligated to defend Taiwan based on the US-Taiwan Relations Act, but Taiwan has nothing to do with NATO.
There won't be a war. We are a small nation and we know our limits. We will play smart and maintain the de facto independence. Now that we finally have the parliament we will focus on those reforms the KMT have denied us for over 70 years. They've been trying to turn Taiwan into the next Philippines but that ends now.
The Chinese regime will collapse eventually. 10 to 20 years. Then, we rise.
Are your feelings fairly common in Taiwan? Would most Taiwanese oppose an invasion by the PRC, or are they for independence with words only?
Also, which city do you live nearest? What're your thoughts on the most likely invasion route? t. Wargamer
Good for them. Dignity and self-respect are priceless.
It's disgraceful that the international community enable China to shame Taiwan by not even letting them use the name or flag of their country. Free peoples deserve better.
The recent story of the Taiwanese pop star forced to give a formal apology, even though she's just a kid, absolutely shameless.
Congratulations, Taiwan. All China has to offer is money, threats, and insults.
We even have cute kittens
Give PRC 10-20 years to fall, plus another 10 for China's economy to really take root.
The seeds of good infrastructure are already planted. They just need to give those communists a taste of their own medicine.
Anti-communist propaganda since childhood, so it's basically :
Population : 23millions
Potential reservist to fight China : 23 millions
They have this horribly retarded idea that guns are evil and they are totally banned however, making any kind of resistance post-invasion completely innexistant.
China's economic success only cements the power of the CCP. People will keep their mouths shut as long as they're getting paid.
They don't know any better either. As long as the CCP controls the media, the entire country will stay indoctrinated. The only way the PRC falls is if the people become miserable and poor enough, unlikely.
All they care about is money.
There's a lot of unrest in HK, but they can't really do anything to change it.
CCP is growing bolder too. State security has begun disappearing HK booksellers who publish books critical of Beijing. Booksellers have even been disappeared in Thailand.
It's a huge story in HK and Taiwan right now.
I grew up in taiwan in the 90's. Pretty much everything was geared around expecting a communist invasion at any second. Air raid drills every 6 months, if you bought a monopoly set the chance cards would have things like "you shot down a communist fighter jet collect $200"
Taiwan is a very small country with a very capable government, a government set up to run a country of a billion people transplanted onto an island of 20 million.
Many people want to change the name of the country to Taiwan, but China has threatened to invade over any moves towards independence.
That makes sense to me though. There is one China, the mainland, and one Taiwan. Just go your separate ways.
>Hong Kong leaves
Orientals are smart. For starters, they don't shit in the streets and worship public toilets. They're great at STEM. They also have a culture of structure and hard work.
If the PRC died, the region would get an economic shot in the arm, and I have no doubt that they would run with it.
She said that if she gets elected then she will make Taiwan the first country in asia to have gay marriage.
Chinese do shit in the streets actually.
And they bring their kids to HK and let them shit and piss in the streets there.
They also come to TW as tourists and piss and shit on public beaches.
Taiwan is a dwarf spoonfed and protected by the U.S.A to oppose China. If it wasn't for that they might as well have turned into another shithole like Vietnam.
It doesn't matter what political system exists in China or won. The U.S.A. aims to oppose, single out and destablize China, exactly to prevent it from becoming as rich as Taiwan and keep it exploitable and easier to control instead.
The U.S.A. would be the first to remove the democratic elected leaders if they seem competent and selfsufficient and implement yet another unstable and corrupt regime that sells out the country for the gain of some elites that move their assets over to countries like the U.S. or hand it over to some terror group , if they had a serious chance.
>Have you been to taiwan? They the most childish bunch of effeminate cunts on the planet
Holy shit your right, In Taiwan, guys who look androgynous are considered desirable for some reason.
Mainly because of influence from animu.
They have a superior democracy to the US.
Voter turnout is close to 100%. Third party scene is pretty vibrant and actually taken seriously. Corruption is shockingly low, especially with China blatantly trying to buy the election, they still couldn't win.
They really cherish democracy in a way that we don't anymore.
Factoid : Australian-made anti-ship missile are less efficient if the operator doesn't appear manly.
Hence their retarded belief about how a population should look like to properly defend itself.
I finally get a qt gf with high iq genes. Refugees when?
>gun behind every blade of grass. Not to mention booby traps and god knows what other surprises
>implying the spoiled little girls called Taiwans army with their toyguns won't shit their pants just from hearing of the invasion and cry like bitches in a corner because they don't even have even the balls to desert.
Same in Taiwan. Weightlifting isn't popular at all. Marathons and other exercise activities are popular though, especially group exercise.
I was squatting 2 plate in a gym in Taipei one time and a Taiwanese guy started asking me a bunch of questions like I was fucking He-man.
I'd rather ate human flesh than British "cuisine"
Most autistic shit I've ever read
> A small Island of 20 million will 'rise' as to fill the power vacuum where 1 billion people who have more connections and resources therein will also compete with, on the entire assumption that the Chinese regime will collapse despite the existing establishment strongly consolidating its power under the guise of 'corruption purges'
The mainstream already sees Taiwan as independent. The only excuse for war is a constitutional reform that ratifies the statehood of Taiwan, as opposed to the current regime in exile: the ROC.
We also know our military can't withstand the PLA, so there's no point. I think the military has outlived its usefulness anyway, and was only propped up by the KMT as a voter base. The right thing for Taiwan to do is start diversifying the economy, to minimise the damages from a future Chinese collapse.
Hope begins today.
>when your vassal province thinks they got the balls and stacks to rebel.
Idk what's gonna happen but hope China gets em. Peace be with you based china
I hope Tsai-IngWen will legalize weapon carrying...
A country with the weapon possesion rate of the US + population who hate invaders would be absolutely unattackable, even a 1 million strong invading force would be slaughtered at every street corner.
>Hope begins today.
Just like hope began in 2008 for America.
Haha, even Palestine has a UN seat. Tibet and Taiwan are literally the most cucked nations on Earth.
Have you even read the NATO alliance treaty? Article 5 of the treaty does not come into effect if a NATO member makes the first strike.
Am I not surprised that Brits can't fucking read English, since it's not the language of the Quran.
>The right thing for Taiwan to do is start diversifying the economy, to minimise the damages from a future Chinese collapse.
Its not like Taiwan is going to boost their economy if they just started exporting to Japan whose economy has been in life support since 1990.
because taiwan thinks its the legitimate regime of china idiot
Are you guys still going along with the plan to abolish conscription?
That's not Taiwan's fault, it's ours! We're the cucked ones!
We kicked a democratic nation out of the UN, because it was a condition for doing business with a communist country.
Need I remind you of the UK's absolutely shameful welcome of China's president where he rode in a fucking golden carriage to meet your queen! UK refuses to provide state security to the Dalai Lama or meet with him because the PRC demands that he be shunned.
The US is obligated - and not by a treaty either; by its own domestic law - to go to war to protect Taiwan's independence.
China passed a similar law in 2005 called the AntiSecession Law that says if Taiwan ever declares independence, China will go to war with them.
>Shame that the KMT didn't win the civil war, the entire mainland might be like that by now.
>If you take China population with Taiwan GDP/capita, you would have a superpower dwarfing even the US...
I don't get why people think that if the commies lost the war, China would be some kind of magical and rich place where everybody is happy and free.
It isn't difficult to make Taiwan rich. It's a small island with 23 million people. It had settlements built up by the Qing coffers, infrastructure such as roads, hospitals and schools built during Japanese rule, and was an American cash cow during KMT rule due to Congress believing that the US should do everything it could to support Taiwan against the red menace.
China, by comparison, is much larger in land area, and by population. It's much more difficult to manage. China under KMT rule was rife with corruption and fragmented political power; Chiang Kai-shek struggled to unify rule against warlords to the north and in the western regions. Politicians were in bed with Triad members. Anyone would be a fool to think that China wouldn't be a third-world mafia land if the KMT won the war.
The difference is that China isn't bound by their laws because there is no rule of law there.
They have plenty of laws against human rights abuses and due process, but they don't let it prevent the CCP from going after whoever they want and making them disappear.
>I don't get why people think that if the commies lost the war, China would be some kind of magical and rich place where everybody is happy and free.
So basically you don't get why capitalism work and communism dont. Feel the Bern !
If it comes to worst: embargo. However, a significant proportion of Chinese labor is employed by Taiwan businesses. The damage is both ways. All the more reason to strengthen our trades and investing in the SEA countries.
There will be economic repercussions, sure. However, solace can also come from cutting the massive bureaucratic corruption imposed by the KMT, as well as the billions in illegal party assets they've acquired from their 50 year long pillaging.
China pre-ww2, most of the growth went to coastal cities which made rural people very butthurt and think that redistrbituing wealth from coastal cities would make everybody prosperous.
well the PRC did just that and it didn't really do shit so they had to open up in 1978.
There's a case to be said that if China was capitalist earlier then living standards would of been higher than it is today.
CCP is synonymous with China, as far as Chinese people are concerned. They're brainwashed by propaganda so most people don't know any better. There's no free speech or press there, nothing but the party approved message.
Most Chinese just care about money.
>thinking a woman will turn Taiwan into an open-carry nation
I for one support civilian ownership of firearms, but you're asking for too much. I mean, doesn't the Taiwanese media also jump on the "America so crazy!" bandwagon every time there is a school shooting? Here in Australia, literally everyone buys the media hype.
It's crazy how the population refuses weapon rights while they are probably the most justified nation in the world to worry about having to overthrow an oppressive regime.
It's a myth that more voters are better. Would you really want 100% of americans voting? Really? Even the people that normally wouldn't care to get out of their chairs to vote. Really think about that.
The larger a population voting the easier it is to manipulate via the media. The less chance a splinter faction makes meaningful difference. The media is a controlled hand of the government. Therefore they would portray higher voter turnout as a good thing.
There is a reason the founding fathers placed restrictions on who could vote.
To vote you should
1. Be male
2. Pass an IQ test to at least 105
3. Serve 5yrs in the United States military (sorry if you're physically unfit. Tough shit)
4. Have a net negative tax impact (you put more into this country than you take out)
If you think that's unfair then you probably don't qualify. Why should you deserve a say in what this country does if you do not give back. Voting should not be something granted for just existing
Also, it would make it too easy for the CCP to assassinate Tsai.
I don't think Taiwanese security is competent enough to guard the president against an armed populace. I don't think the average Taiwanese is responsible enough to own a gun either.
Love Taiwan though!
Do you not admit that even today in Taiwan, what you have is not pure free-market capitalism, but instead cronyism?
How many KMT politicians have Triad and gangster ties? Look at all the big construction companies and businesses in Taiwan, how many of these don't have the backing of underworld mobs? Are there any successful businesses in Taiwan that don't have black money?
If you want free-market capitalism, in Taiwan, China, America or elsewhere, kill off the dirty money trails first. For a good example of a clean and capitalist society, look at Germany or the Netherlands during the 1970s-1980s.
Not a chance, CPP knows US patriot missiles unaffected defense, outdated air forces.
US will not dare intervene on largest debt holder and risk global war for two sides of gook coin.
Only chance Taiwan had was to grow ties with BRICS and China, now it will never happen, fate is worse than next philippines, fate now new Hong Kong but with occupying troops.
>Pass an IQ test to at least 105
> Serve 5yrs in the United States military
Contradiction in terms, chum.
>I don't think the average Taiwanese is responsible enough to own a gun either.
As I once heard, "Considering how dangerous they are on a scooter, trusting them with firearms is suicide"
>Only chance Taiwan had was to grow ties with BRICS and China, now it will never happen, fate is worse than next philippines
>US will not dare intervene
If they don't, all countries in the world stop using the dollar.
Taiwan, Japan & others only accept vast ammount of worthless US paper solely to purchase protection.
If US refuses to provide it, 'muricans better grab their AR15 and go innawood because shit will hit the high-powered industrial heavy-duty fan.
I agree, the US would absolutely intervene. But it probably wouldn't have to. Our presence nearby is sufficient deterrence.
Taiwan is right on our doorstep in Okinawa, so we wouldn't have much choice. We wouldn't allow China to set up bases just miles away from us.
Yeah but usually those countries have US bases.
And the US would obviously be very careful against Russia or China regardless.
They will probably do some sanctions like they did with Russia.
Although they organized the whole Maidan shit in the first place so maybe they did not want to antagonize Russia too much.
I guess it depends whether they have Trump or Hillary.
Trump will find any excuse to bash some communist fuckers.
You're a chink, China's the strongest power base for chinks, they're the best shot you've got at feeling comfortable with your ethnic-national identity
you could continue to feel white dick balls deep in your ass, your choice Uncle
>We wouldn't allow China to set up bases just miles away from us.
But you didn't even do anything when the chicoms set up base on fake islands in the SCS. How can you assure the rest of the world that you won't back down further?
Those airstrips are pretty damn close to your allies, especially the Philippines.
CCP is all bluster. They haven't been involved in a significant military engagement since Korea.
I doubt any of the PLA's top leadership ever even saw combat, the whole institution is corrupted by cronyism and politics.
To all people thinking:
>Hurr durr no way America will die for a small island
You do realize that no US president would allow such an admission of military weakness, economic weakness, fear of conflict, willingness to abandon allies & unwillingness to defendd their values.
It would basically be saying : "Ok we are France now, someone else take the world leadership; we'll meekly step aside and watch"
Oh shit, don't elect Bernie Sanders guys o__O
>You're a chink, China's the strongest power base for chinks, they're the best shot you've got at feeling comfortable with your ethnic-national identity
I don't give a fuck about power base. I give a fuck that my entire childhood was filled with news that China threatens to invade and kill us all. I remember that, and will probably never forget. I was there when DPP won the presidency for the very first time way back when, and I will hope that KMT be knocked back to China where they came from.
You can't have consistency when it comes to international affairs.
Otherwise you end up being like North Korea, hating everyone.
I don't care about jews, but I will back Israel against the Arab nations.
I don't care about Chinamen, but I will back the capitalist and liberal Chinese against the communist ones.
>They haven't been involved in a significant military engagement since Korea
In summary: They got pushed in by the Soviets, they got into a stalemate with the Vietnamese, they defeated India, they hammered a bunch of unarmed Tibetan peasants.
>Oh shit, don't elect Bernie Sanders guys o__O
Bernie Sanders would be more pro Taiwan than any other current candidates. The only reason the other candidates are pro-China is because Big Money wanted it. I don't think it is likely for Bernie to win the nomination, but if he does I think Taiwan would be better off than before. Bernie care about principles, not money.
>but I will back Israel against the Arab nations
Or you could instead be a rational-thinking person, and stay the hell away from a conflict that has nothing to do with you, and does not benefit you.
I wouldn't touch the Arab-Israeli conflict with a ten foot pole, and why would I? I'm not Arab, or an Israeli. Nobody likes a nosy cunt.
So you're saying you're a libcuck? Or, you don't realise that China is much more capitalist than Taiwan and is literally not communist in any way other than in its' decor and nomenclature?
>What is Crimea
>What is Tibet
>What is Vietnam
>What is ww2 before pearl harbour was 'attacked'
I could go on. US has a history of pulling out or not helping when it's strategically non advantageous.
>sane non-shitposting Australian
well, if we are breaking stereotypes then let me say that i do poo in loo.
>fucking memes are a thing of past
ah, well, may be we'll have better discussions now.
>Should've let us keep Taiwan
The only reason the Communists won the civil war was because Chiang's forces were exhausted fighting the Japanese.
In the end every nation had done evil at some point, but I live in the present, not past. And right this moment, Japan is a friend of Taiwan, and China is a threat to Taiwan. This is simply what it is and no propaganda can change facts.
I don't know which candidates would or would not back Taiwan, wars based on "well we had an agreement" are extremely unpopular here after Vietnam, communism isn't viewed the way it used to be, and most Americans have never heard of you except on "Made in ____" stickers.
Tzuyu a cute though, I'll fight for Taiwan. What is the age of consent where you live?
It was a force intended to disturb and be a political gesture, not to actually capture, that's not even as big as the shit that goes on in the middle east in places you've never heard of today
Literally 80000 troops, to capture a fucking CAPITAL; read the wikipedia article you linked jej
>>Chinese commie army reaches within miles of New Delhi
not now, trust me.
>US Fleet moves in with aircraft carriers and threatens to intervene
100% will happen if china even so much as threatens to cross the border
Trust USA to flex muscles in someone else's fight. Love you America.
Chiang's forces brutalised Chinese civilians as badly as the Japanese did according to a lot of reports
Read any biography on Chiang, he's literally a fucking lazy Civ player
Mao's forces employed guerrilla tactics and gained mass support due to the fact they weren't actively massacring civilians and invited all to join their forces
>You can thank mainland for hokkien
I don't know what you're implying. Sure, the mainland is where Hokkien, Hakka and Mandarin come from, but what isn't from there?
Aboriginal howling noises?
>Chiang's forces brutalised Chinese civilians as badly as the Japanese did according to a lot of reports
>Read any biography on Chiang, he's literally a fucking lazy Civ player
But of course, Chiang is Chinese too.
The KMT might have been an enemy of the Communist Party once, but they were still formed by Chinese people, not Taiwanese. And of course Chiang was a violent dictator. I don't deny that.
But that is why we need KMT out of the government. The whole "One China" rubbish was caused by the KMT to begin with. Had we changed the nation's name to Taiwan before the tides changed, we wouldn't be in this mess. It is all Chiang's fault.
Taiwan doesn't have a defense treaty with the US. so it's possible that the US and its allied may just stand there and watch. But we all know from history, if any potential enemy has threaten the US benefit around the world. They would probably take action.
I think the Chinese won't launch an invasion until they get at least 3 carrier strike groups by the time 2025 ,which would buy China some time to blockade the region from possible US intervention ,while their amphibious landing force will try to capture Taiwan's capital city before their fleet get destroyed.
Hokkien from what I understand is pretty much mingnan dialect. Its funny since now if you dont speak hokkien in taiwan, you will be regarded as mainland scum. You can use mandarin, but you'll basically be looked down on as if you were a nigger in the states
When did I say Mao was good? The only thing is that both Mao and Chiang were shit; Chiang from incompetence and Mao from just being batshit insane, you seem to think Chiang was at least an ordinary statesman, the reason he was beaten by a batshit insane man was because he was just THAT incompetent
>Had we changed the nation's name to Taiwan before the tides changed, we wouldn't be in this mess.
The whole "我們一定要解放台灣!" meme started long before Chiang. Many of the early Sun Yat-sen era republicans had the sentiment that Taiwan was something they desired to be returned. It became a popular slogan used by the commies in the 1960s, but the idea predates them by a long stretch. Changing the name of the ROC wouldn't have made much of a difference, the commies would have likewise perceived Taiwan as "theirs".
>you will never confiscate your political opponent's house and turn it into a McDonald's
>If Trump wins, will he turn Obama's house into a Burger King?
Obama is just a president, he doesn't even have a dynasty. I find it hilarious that the GOP is trying to claim Obama is a dictator when he doesn't even have his face on a coin. Dictatorship is a big deal and not something the GOP can just make up out of thin air.