Im going to a gun show tomorrow with about $3,750 USD to spend.
What does /pol/ suggest I buy?
>i will never be able to do this
is there are a yuro suicide hotline
I know little about guns, the only thing I know about guns is from Halo and Metal Gear Solid xD
fuck I can almost feel your freedom from here dude
I suggest you don't ask /pol/
Assuming you have your basics covered, I suggest you buy the shit most likely to be banned in the future by a hostile government. Something centerfire, semi auto, detachable mag. Think. What gun would piss off Diane Feinstien off the most if I had it.
At your current level of gun knowlege, you should get something like a browning buckmark or something else in .22lr, and learn your guns and how to shoot, how to clean. Ect.
Hmm... Might I suggest some "assault-style" weapons, OP?
The fact that you posted "$3750 USD" makes me think you aren't a U.S. citizen....why would you post "USD?" What do you think you are spending....pesos?
you get to buy nothing, ya foreign nigger
yes you will have to do a background check....they don't just hand over guns to you foreign fuckers
there are police every where and ATF hangs out at those shows....you're going to jail shithead
if it's "our" currency, why is OP mentioing it
and there are very few if any "foreign" gun dealers...have you ever been to a show?
AND OP the little weasel is stating he thinks he isn't going to get back ground checked....confirm for criminal or foreigner
All agencies.....please review OP's IP address and verify who this weasel is
wooden foregrips for AK's, NatSoc Swastika armbands and coins, KKK black sambo figurines, ect. I've seen it all.
Don't forget that jerky.
Whatever you get OP, haggle the deal down.
Dealers at gunshows always inflate the price of their guns so that they safely lower it when a potential buyer asks them.
"Is $600 the lowest you'll go?"
When I see stuff like this I want to be an american, only thing we can buy here is shotguns and shit.
Colt 6920 AR (BCM or Daniel Defense also acceptable)
Two lightly used Glock 19s
If you can get them for under 225, two Surefire X-300U (gotta be Us) tactical lights for the above.
Aside from that, you are buying at the top of an inflated panic market. Few bargain deals are out there.
And you can get most magazines or other accessories cheaper from Brownells or Midway.
>one of these
I wish had a BF
But anyway, buy a K31, OP. You won't regret it, and you can buy surplus for it in the US, which is pretty much top notch factory ammo.
Much more useful than an AK for all but up close stuff.
You're in the US, so you pretty much have to buy an AR of some sort. Sky's the limit on price, but there is no rifle in the United States that can surpass the parts availability of the AR15 here. Seeing as how you're on pol it's probably a safe assumption you're wanting a happening rifle. AR is really the only correct option.
You could go with a SCAR, or AUG, or other proven rifle, but I would absolutely grab even a an AR *first* before you start moving on to the snowflake rifles.
>straight pull bolt gun with european clown caliber
>not available in mass production by domestic ammo company
>"more effective than an AK"
You want this guy to believe a gun invented in 1931 with ammo that isn't made in the USA is more effective than an AK?
its a bolt action with out a scope mount and is nearly 100 years old. baka.
Gun shows are populated entirely by fudds and retards. There are no good deals on firearms to be had, unless you find someone doing a private sale.
Buy $3750 of beef jerkey instead.
>What does /pol/ suggest I buy?
Buy your gf/wife a nice dinner. Rent an escort if you're single. Forget about 'muh gunz'. Gummint has the drones. You won't regulate any militia nor fight any gummint oppression.
>buying shit tier Turk scatterguns
Ask any armorers what they think about them. Theyte low quality trash...and youre giving your money to Turks.
Buy a fucking cheap Mossberg and be a man.
Dont buy Turkroach garbage.
Shotguns are fun and all but I want a good rifle without it costing billions of TL and me having to be an army personnel. And our pistol selection is shit, good Glock 19 Gen 4 costs about 2000$ and that's if you can get the permit. If you want something small or out of ordinary good luck ever having it.
Seriously, christ all these people are giving such shitty advice..
Get a SCAR 17!!!! and a decent optic. Also get a colt or Springfield 1911 or a cz sp01 (p01) if you have tiny hands.
Nothing, gun shows are always overpriced.
No offense, but I don't think you've enough experience with guns yet to plonk down nearly 4 grand on one. You'll probably regret it. Listen to >>61144989 , learn what you're doing - if you even LIKE shooting - then buy something you know you'll love and shoot on the regular.
Don't mind this nigger, he's just jealous of your freedom like I am
According to that logic, women who likes guns are secretly transmen.
>litany of poorfag rifles
Fine, poorfag, but when one of your rifles inevitably breaks do you think you could scavenge the parts for it? You're out of your mind if you think it's a good idea to just start swapping around AKM bolts. And ffs don't show your ignorance by saying something stupid about AK's never breaking.
Buy a decent AR. You can always upgrade.parts later.
Splurge on an optic.
Buy a pistol that feels good in your hand.
Buy a cheapish bolt action with a decent glass for it.
Then buy tonnes of ammo and GIT GUD
This is true. The AR is pretty ubiquitous. As an AK owner I can confirm that it is hard to find spare parts and since most AK ammo is steel core it is hard to find indoor ranges that let you shoot it. Don't get me wrong I love my AK and wouldnt trade it for an AR, but everything about owning an AR is more convenient, except malfunctions and other crap that happens to AR's.
My AK will never break, I will need to physically destroy the gun to make it stop working. AR's can be finnicky and queeny. They need to be cleaned alot (generally, not all AR's are like this).
High end guns like the HCAR or SCAR are super badass. They have AK like reliability and AR precision.
sorry for the stock photo. closest approximation to what I have.
Mossberg M590A1 with bayonet and heat shield. Mine needs a rear sight. For some odd reason I couldn't find one with all the features I want without the features I don't want. I find that extra slot on the buttstock for a spare shell to be annoying.
>accurate as a match rifle
>powerful; you can kill anything you'd likely hunt with it quickly
>ammo isn't hard to come by; reloading is easy
>6 shots is fine for long range shooting; you shouldn't need more than 1 anyway
An AK has nothing on it for anything over 300 yards/meters, and even at 100, you have 1 MOA accuracy compared to 4-8 MOA for an AK.
So yes, I'm serious.
If it's self-defense (several yards at most), an AK is better. But if that's all you cared about, you'd only have a couple of firearms.
>308 AR that shoots sub moa under 10 pounds fully loaded. Effective from 5-500 yards.
Give me a picture of your uncles loaded AR10 that weighs under 10 pounds on a scale LOADED or you're a fucking stupid cunt.
I wouldn't buy Turk garbage even if I was in the market for a shotgun. I just like how they're increasing the options in Canada, maybe others will do the same.
>Buy a decent AR.
Build a decent AR, more like. And then use the savings for a reloading rig in addition to the stuff you said.
>needing more than minuite of man
>can't be shot long distance
The AK is a current military service rifle. There are all kinds of proprietary optics that allow the AK to be accurate up to 1000 yards. Also basic shooting skills and the leaf sights do work.
You really don't know what you're talking about.
I've killed black bears with my AK. The 7.62x39 penetrates deeply and shoots very well.
Do more fucking research and dont buy anything tomorrow.
I sughest going to the show and taking a look though as well as notes. Pick up some pistols see how they feel in had.
DONT FUCKING MUZZLE SWEEP ANYONE and dont be a super annoying window shopper.
Look. Pick up one thing at a booth/table that catches your eye. Take.note of what it.is and move along.
Then read and watch youtube videos.
Also dont ask /k/ theyre fucking ponyfags.
yea. Yugo, Inter Ordinance, and WASR are junk. Saiga (russian) and Arsenal (bulgarian) and Norinco (chinese) are god tier. Radom (poland), Maddi (Egypt), and US Made milled receiver AK's from Century imports are good tier.
If you have to spend it all on a gun and have more cash than sense, get either an LMT 308 or a nice bulpup like an AUGa3 or cTAR (inb4 shoo shoo jew) and really spoil yourself.
If you're not that good with guns, get yourself a CZ75, maybe a Mosin, SMLE or Kar98k, a Sig P238 for CC and an old Diemaco C8 you can stick a new trigger and handguard on to make it not shit. All of that will be fun and practical.
Hows my gun knowledge for a /noguns/ Englander you fat tubs of lard?
Don't listen to this fruitbowl and buy some antiquated WWII shit.
Bullpups are shitty and have inherant design flaws because of mag placement and ergos during tactical weapons changes.
The AUG is a special snowflake gun and is super cool, very accurate, but a JAM-0-MATIC
I think he meant smith and wesson. Never buy smith and wesson. They conspired with the clintons to try and force everyone to buy their smart guns and played into the gun controllers hands.
The AK platform has moved on in Russian military use to the AN, A545 and 74M, every former eastern bloc country worth a damn either has their own modern platforms or uses Belgian shit so tell me why they aren't using those 'accurate to 1000 yards' AKMs with
>a fucking leaf
sights? Oh, because they're antiquated.
>b-b-but muh shot a bear one time
Why you would never be a defence minister.
Yes, I don't know what I'm talking about. Right.
You typical military pattern AK will shoot 4-8 MOA with cheap ammo; probably not much better than 4 with match. If you build one to be accurate, you lose points in reliability, and it'll cost you a heap of money too. May as well just get an AR if accuracy from a semi is what you want.
At most, a long barreled match AK will be a 600 meter rifle with optics on a man (this isn't your typical AK). Even then, your ballistics are shit at that range, and expect misses unless you have very accurate range estimations.
7.5x55 is about the same as .308, so you have have 800 meters certain (COM hit time after time if you do your job), and over 1000 if you go for maximum range possible like 600 for the AK. You really have twice the effective range when you add in accuracy differences.
Sure, 7.62x39mm penetrates well, but it has a shit permanent cavity with hunting JSPs compared to .308-level. Plus, since velocity loss is quick, you'll probably be poking holes at over 200 meters. Not to mention you shouldn't take a shot on an animal with that cartridge at that range. Under 100, sure.
If you're hunting bear, you really should use .308 minimum to ensure a quicker kill.
So. how is it better at anything but close range? Even then, I'd rather 1 MOA compared to 4 at 100 yards, with far more power.
>bullpups are shit
Nigga never used a Tavor.
Reliable as fuck. Decently accurate. Ergonomic and comfy as fuck to shoulder.
Only downside is poor trigger. Gritty and heavy but wears in with use.
Put 1000 rounds through mine. Its getting better
>proprietary optics that allow the AK to be accurate up to 1000 yards
Neither 7.62 nor 5.45x39 will be accurate at 1000 yards, you stupid nigger. Adding a good optic doesn't affect the shitty mechanical accuracy of the standard AK platform. Jesus christ.
In all out lawlessness AK47 ammo would be way harder to find here in the US as most everyone has an AR. I don't like ARs because if you were in an all out state of lawlessness I don't want something that's going to break or need cleaning. I'd want an AK, nigs use em in Africa and they're pretty good at killing each other.
Yeah because for a guy who already has 2 ARs having some fun with a bolt action, getting a nice 308 or playing around with a bulpup which are used to great effect by many modern militaries including Britain, Austria, Australia, NZ, Slovenia, Russian Spetsnaz is silly. Clearly he needs more generic domestically made boring old Stoner derivatives so he can dilate his American arsehole with the barrels and jack off over uncle Sam.
Can we bollocks we can't own anything but breakneck shotguns usually in 20 gauge, bolt actions with 5 round magazines or less or these horrible looking decommissioned M4s chambered in .22 with a mechanism that locks the bolt with every shot.
>what does /pol/ suggest I buy?
How about a brain you dumb fuck. Why Americans are so obsessed with guns is beyond me. You don't need a fucking automatic machine gun for ANYTHING bro. Civilians shouldn't be in possession of military grade weapons. A pistol or shit gun will suffice for self defense and intruders
Buy 27 Hi-point .45s and enough ammo to fill them all. Immediately report them all stolen, then find the blackest neighborhood in your area and drop one on every street corner.
I recommend the K31 not just due to the value, but they're going to dry up and the price will raise and raise.
If you've got 2 ARs, you may as well go for something different unless you really want an AK. If you must go with a semi, a FAL or Dragunov-copy (Saiga?) would be a lot better if you don't have anything in the .308-class. Garand or M1A too.
Lever .45-70s are good (Marlin. I don't like the front tube loading on the Henry), and they're in their own category, from deer/hogs all the way to buffalo with the hot loads.
If you live in a white neighborhood, this has about the same chance of happening as winning the lottery. Why shouldn't I trust my law-abiding white neighbors with responsibly possessing the firearm of their choosing?
Theres very little ammo for k31 on the market right now in Canada.
I hear you bongs get it cheap over there.
I imagine unless it starts beingnproduced commerically in the USA, k31 isnt a great choice.
Theyre nearly 1 syrupbuck/round here.
The guy has nearly 4000 dollars. why are you suggesting WWII and 1880 tier guns?
high end modern semi autos are really the only option here. At least you suggested an FAL. Saiga's are AK-100's. good try though.
That sounds good, probably requires a lot of land somewhere like Northumberland and a lot of money/time to get. If you used it for defense too they'd throw away the fucking key unless the assailant was a bionic Nazi with dual Uzis and a manifesto professing to kill you in an unusually painful way. Even then you'd still get 5 years for having the audacity to not fire it at a clay pigeon.
Honestly there is no reason to legally own guns in this country unless you're very rich and then why not just own a small estate in Wisconsin or Texas and keep guns there for shooting boars or elk.
You know....we have another board for this. Dedicated entirely to weapons. You've got a lot of military guys over there, weapons enthusiasts...etc. you should go ask them, they'd probably know way more than the people here.
Whilst I don't agree with you on what people can own, I agree with the sentiment that people think too much about self-defense.
It'll be under several yards and it'll be over in a few shots.
Whatever you can shoot up close accurately and manipulate when you're half-asleep and it's in a self-defense caliber, you'll get by.
Tyrone ain't going to give a shit how much you paid for that SCAR if he gets a drop on you with his .25 auto and puts one in your heart out of luck.
Spetsnaz use A-91s, PP2000s, VSSs and SVUs. All bulpups. They use those weapons more commonly than the AK-103 or whatever you think they use, even then that'd only be GRU the actual majority of Spetsnaz if they don't have a VSS or PP2000 will probably have a 74M.
I don't get this private transfer meme shit.
I honestly don't believe many guns are sold this way relative to the amount of guns sold annually.
OP said he was going to a show, that implies buying from a vendor table, which means doing a NICS check for each purchase.
I live in Dallas, TX and frequent gun shows across DFW, have done so for the past ~7 years. There's maybe 1-5 people each weekend walking around with a stupid sign on their backpack trying to sell something privately, versus hundreds of legitimate tables. I have never seen anyone conduct a private sale at a gun show, of anything, EVER.
>inb4 if I don't see it, it's not true
Just saying the incidence rate of this is inisignificant (like most things gov't tries to legislate about guns)
Don't Saiga make a .308 AK?
Why a milsurp? Why not? I'd rather buy 4 K31s than put the same amount on a SCAR. I'd rather 1 K31, 1 AK, a 1911 (milspec), and a shotgun than a SCAR.
He's got ARs, so he really doesn't need a small caliber semi.
I mean with our current gun laws and with legal guns. If you're planning for the government collapsing get a Micro Uzi or Vz. 61 from the black market.
If shit did hit the fan having a legal, registered gun would be a hinderance, might as well paint a big sign on your back saying "here I am SAS you're rounding up all the UKIP voters with 9 ball shotguns now? Great here it is and the plastic cuffs can't be too tight I get chillblains. I sure hope those rioting gibs and Pakis win!"
The main problem with what he said is "firing in the air"
Fucking idiot. You only fire if your life is in danger. Firing in the air means your life isn't in danger.
Nothing wrong with a double 12 gauge with two loads of 00 buck and a pocketful of shells if that's what you can use.
dont buy a gun at a gun show here is what you do
>bring pencil and paper
>anything you like ask the dealer about
>they will tell you everything you need to know about the gun cause they are trying to get the sale
>right down the name of the guns you want
>when you are done dont eat the jerkey
>alligator was ok little salty
>buy cool crusaders sword and helmet, deus vult
>go to a local gun store, not a chain like bass pro
>show them the list and they will order it for you for hundreds of dollars cheaper
k31 is the best starting rifle, swiss made easy action and spot on accuracy. you can get one for 300-400. the show will ask for 550. or you can get a meme mosin for 200 at a gun show
My current wishlist:
walther pps m2
glock 26 gen 4
glock 19 gen 4
fn scar 17 heavy
I wonder if the ratio of vendors to private sellers at shows changes by area. I've heard the opposite scenario from a few others in the states, and the complete opposite in all my experiences here in syrup land where there are no vendors at shows whatsoever.
Its not proliferated at all though, most models are still in trial stages and the Ruskies really want to roll the new AEK stuff out as well. Russia is in a clusterfuck of modernisation and the Spetsnaz do use the PP2000 and SVU. Both bulpups. Israel also run a bulpup. Face it a lot of reputable militaries use bulpups without them exploding or jamming.
If anything I was 25% inaccurate and you're 100% obtuse pompous yank.
I may be ausfalian but im not anti-fun
>buy a crate of nuggets
>buy $1000 of 7.62x54r
> use rest of the money to buy stalingrad soldier gear
>go to local orphanage
>give 20 kids stalingrad gear and nuggets
>become soviet officer
>recruit other kids into your clan
>slowly but surely you gain political power
>you become new socialist party
>take over america
>become the new soviet union
>take over the world
>but make only two other countries who where to great for this world
>rhodesia and yugoslavia
>tfw live and die in world with rhodesia and yugoslavia in it
the PP2000 is not a bullpup. it isn't even a rifle. it's a PDW.
Get fucked tea and crumpets.
>no vendors at shows
What the fuck do you actually do then.
Are you sure you're not just attending canuck nuggetfest?
I'm sure it is more common in rural areas, but that's gonna happen there show or no show. The whole point of shows is tons of vendors in one place.
tfw you need to be a farmer to own a pump action shot gun in australia and even then the magazine if capped at 5 rounds (and yes even tubular magazines) also you can have semi-auto .22's if you're a farmer capped at ten rounds though
Bulpups have the mag well behind the trigger, you dummy. If 556 weren't so big it would be in the handle too.
Pointless arguing with you tbqh you are clearly interested in guns but your taste is terrible, telling the poor lad to get more ARs like its impossible to get bored of them. Americans and your taste for Eugene Stoner sperm, fellated straight from source with your patriotic dick sucking lips of freedum and lieberty, I swear down family...
enjoy your BBC from achmed. I will legally use my AK and shotgun to defend my family from mass migrant rape.
Here it's people looking to sell, people looking to buy, others selling parts, magazines, etc. Thinking a little harder, some of them may actually have a business centered around the stuff they bring to the show (I remember being given a business card after buying a magazine once), but we're talking small time, not big retailers or manufacturers.
To give you an idea of what I mean, here's a video (no, not mine): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm5NJbbxMug
Btw I am no expert being no guns but look where the action is and where the trigger is. The PP2000 is a bulpup I am 90% sure, like the P90 is. Being a PDW doesn't mean the designation bulpup is wrong, and bulpups have their place.
>tfw country is filled with gibs, dindus and assorted poo skins
>tfw USA is demographically 20% worse than us
Bad time to be in the Anglosphere, perhaps I'll get a Seax...
>Hit a nerve?
Nah I just think it's a meme.
>German made habe carbon steel slides and are.prone to rust.
Never heard that before.
>Keep it oiled well is all.
I use a teflon dry lube; looks and works beautifully.
>Dont be butthurt because.you bought the cheaper product.
>German made habe carbon steel slides and are.prone to rust.
Wouldn't the same issue then apply to a HK mk23 / USP?
No. Why would it apply.
Older German-made sigs have carbon steel slides and are prone to rust. This is a known fact. Its also a known fact that they are less expensive than their non german counterparts which use stainless and coatings.
The HK Mk23 slide has a proprietary treatment and also coating on almost all its parts. The gun is literally rust proof.
Dont believe me lokk it up. Its also a reason it costs twice as much as aa SIG
>Going to gun show to buy a fire arm
Dude you are doing it wrong, you go to gun shows to buy Jerky and chat it up with other gun owners not actually buy shit.
>so i got poorfag cz58
Nothing wrong with that bro
>I have a hunting license, a .308 hunting rifle and a shotgun but they will never satisfy my need for freedoms.