Tzuyu, 16, a Taiwanese girl in a KPOP group was forced to apologize to China. On a korean show the broadcasters brought out flags for each girl to hold of their country and she held a Taiwanese flag up.
This angered all of the Chinese internet and government who banned all of her entertainment companies contracts, appearances, and removed all content from music sites etc.
The Company she worked for stock dropped a lot and other problems happened with an immense chinese internet backlash against the 16 year old girl.
In the end the korean company, which relies on chinese market for a lot of revenue, made her apologize in a video for holding a taiwan flag instead of Chinese flag. With Chinese angry that Taiwan wants to be independent.
The video already has about 2 million views and 80,000 comments.
In china's defense, the only reason Taiwan exists as an independent state is because the US implicitly supports its claim for independence. In reality, Taiwan should have been returned to China after the Cairo and Potsdam declarations.
Not chinese by the way, I minor in east asian studies and do a lot of chinese history.
Taiwan votes soon. Independent party will probably win. Chink butthurt is at an all time high.
That being said, I bet Taiwan eventually loses independence just because the west is so shit and will decline so far they won't be able to stop China from doing so.
>In reality, Taiwan should have been returned to China after the Cairo and Potsdam declarations.
>I minor in east asian studies
More evidence of university brainwashing. Taiwan #1.
Here is the scene
You can see the offensive Taiwan flag in the upper middle.
This is China's new strategy for taking over Taiwan. They wont invade. Instead they will make Taiwan so economically dependent on china that independence will be impossible. Hong Kong style autonomy will be the best option.
Basically what happened is anti-taiwan independence people, which is all Chinese, used the event as an excuse to show off. China is extremely nationalist and believe the world loves them in terms of polling.
Chinese nationalism is most identical to the type in pre-ww2 europe and japan. With them taught from very young ages that Taiwan refused to fight off Japan and is basically like a child that forgets its parents. The reality is the Chinese nationalist party only lost to the communists because they tried to fight Japan instead of taking care of the communists.
Anyway, the taiwan press and chinese internet/government used the issue to push politics and blew it up incredibly. With millions of Chinese low class participating in the internet fight.
basically this is all blowing up because of China upset Taiwan will probably elect a pro-independence government.
Although I'm not sure how angry chinese attacking a girl will translate into sympathy from Taiwan.
At some point they might be able to do it through force but their coercion skills are lacking.
Shut the fuck up if you don't know anything about the history and background of situation.
Chinese and Taiwanese is a matter between Han Chinese people.
So shut the fuck up retarded.
No, I try to be objective. China has actual treaties to back up its claims to taiwan. Even the US openly says that there is one china and bar taiwan from the UN. They just find alternate means of building relations with it because they are dishonest and prefer to deny china taiwan if it isn't economically detrimental to themselves.
Hmmm Why isn't the Host of the show being excommunicated. Supposedly he brought the flag.
Also fuck the whore China doesn't need her, she obviously needs China.
AKA talk shit about a country get rekt.
Same for mr. Trump. I don't see him making any friends in China. So if he ever becomes president. He either changes his opinion or USA won't get any MADE IN CHINA.
>looks like Chinese
>has the same dna of Chinese people
>was former island of china before ww2
>this americuck answer to the question if taiwan should be returned to china
Under this logic why isn't it the other way?
Taiwan has a higher standard of living and better quality of life. Why not just reunite China and Taiwan under Taiwan government?
Plus the Taiwanese government only lost to the communists because they focused too hard on fighting Japan.
Governments change. Will the US stop being the US when a diffrent president is elected? No, because a country and its leadership are not synonymous. Even Taiwan doesn't seek to call itself china anymore.
The Taiwanese don't want to be returned to China lol. That's like saying the US should be part of the UK. Do you always have to go to war to have independence? The Taiwanese people don't want to be ruled by the Communist party.
like it or not the communist regime is the LEGITIMATED government of china, the same government that has veto vote in the united nations with great diplomatic ties with the west
yea but they cut off a rapist nig muslims dick. angry mob style. the west just doesnt have that sense of justice anymore
and their government broke out a flame thrower when terrorist wouldnt come out. americas government doesnt have that level of dont give a fuck anymore
they had me at "cut that niggers dick off"
They don't call themselves China because the PRC sperglords whenever they do, The PRC is a force for evil in this world, they repress Hong Kong, their own citizens, everyone, it's disgraceful and they need to be toppled.
>Governments change. Will the US stop being the US when a diffrent president is elected?
Not even remotely the same and you either know that or are retarded(biased).
>Even Taiwan doesn't seek to call itself china anymore.
Because they're Taiwanese at this point. The mainland is under the PRC and only a few old people even care to still try and claim it and mongolia etc etc.
well it looks like I am talking to a wall
go to school retard
>Taiwan should have been returned to China
It really isn't your, or any mainland Chinese who has never set foot on the Island yet shitposts about unification, decision. This decision ultimately belongs to the people who were born on Taiwan, and it is our duty to honor any decision they actually make. The people do have a right to self determination under the UN treaty.
> China has actual treaties to back up its claims to taiwan.
And taiwan is a de facto independant nation, started as a legitimate state but reduced to this Island after a war with current China. Their people have their own culture and vastly opposing political views.
The people gives a shit about whatever piece of papers were signed involving mostly totalitarian states and what not.
Also, right to self determination overrules everything.
how did you find this thread?
Also it's obvious. She's a 16 yo pop star, she probably doesn't give a fuck either way. Her company tells her what to do. It's not like she decided to hold the flag or not.
You're acting like this person has anything to do with anything.
The whole point is to just show how retarded Chinese netizens are over something stupid.
funny, I always thought of Japan as bro tier and china as axis of evil, but when i went to them both recently
>China was super friendly, almost bent backwards for hospitality
>japan mostly screamed "GO AWAY GAIJIN"
I seriously have to rethink my position.
Taiwan, not the fleeing Chinese, was a colony under Japan and treated extremely well. Especially compared to how they treated other areas. So actually, Taiwanese people don't actually hate Japan.
In a public opinion poll conducted by the organization’s Taipei office during December 2009 and January 2010, 52% of respondents cited Japan as their favorite country after Taiwan, and 62% indicated an affinity for Japan. In a subsequent survey conducted from January to February of 2012, some ten months after the 2011 Great East Japan Earthquake, only 41% of those polled named Japan as their favorite nation but 75% said they felt close to the country. In the most recent survey, conducted in January 2013, 43% of respondents cited Japan as their favorite country; 65% indicated an affinity for Japan.
Taiwan is closer to Japan than China.
>apologizing to China
You just make them angrier. It's why Japan won't do it because it will "never be enough". Now JYP fucked themselves in the ass because the chinks who were mad are going to stay mad and the chinks who didn't give a shit are going to be mad at JYP for being such pussies about it and hiding behind a little girl.
>I disagree, I think the chinese nation can exist independently of the state
Means absoluely nothing.
>this argument is pointless anyways since the prc has legal precedent to take Taiwan.
lel if you say so family. I thank you for your capitulation.
yeah, not only do 100% chinese hate taiwan, they also 100% love trump.
let me tell ya the truth, taiwan is the center of the universe, every single human being listens to what taiwan says
The Island of Taiwan has been Chinese property for hundreds of years. Hundreds of old maps prove this.
Fat, balding, impotent fucker.
Idiot. It depends on the party who is popular. There are majority of Taiwanese who are loyal to China. Because it the end it is about China and unity of Han Chinese, not about PRC or ROC
Shut up. Please. Shut up if you don't know anything. Taiwan = China. Taiwan culture = Chinese culture.
>There are majority of Taiwanese who are loyal to China.
Yea, the ones that came to Taiwan after losing their civil war with Mao. They aren't Taiwanese.
Taiwan was a "model colony" for Japan. It was in 1895 and the first Japanese Colony. So the Japs treated them amazing and wanted to make it into an example of how great Japan was.
It was a very different experience to be under Japan in Taiwan versus later during WW2.
>mfw Texel Vlieland Terschelling Ameland en Schiermonnikoog all of a sudden want to become independant countries......
Under that same Idea of yours Lets say Hawaii Rather wanted to become its own independant Country. Japan and the rest of Asia back this claim and USA wouldn't do nothing or wouldn't be pissed about this if it came through because of keeping some peace. Then Obama enters a fucking popshow and picks up a Hawaiian flag and says America is a fucking shithole and Hawaii is the True Dream.
>"there is only one China, Taiwan and China are part of the same country. I have always been proud of my identity as a Chinese".
VERY clever wording.
These Taiwanese government officially calls themselves "The Republic of China" and they still claim to be the legitimate rulers of all of China. Much like The People's Republic of China claims to be the legitimate rules of all China.
So by saying this she's not really supporting the People's Republic even though they have been fooled into thinking she is.
In her mind she is Chinese because ROC is the true China.
While I agree that you are correct. I wouldn't go as far to say that Japan treated Taiwan well when they first took rule. Wushe Incident and the various battles between the Japanese and aboriginal people were quite bloody.
over the years the Japanese brought education and health benefits to the aboriginal people though they also brainwashed the younger generation to believe in the Japanese imperial ideals.
This happens though. It's what the West did with all of their colonies post ww2.
There is no one "true owner" of a land. If no one gave up their land like you said then Hong Kong would still have a british flag flying over it.
>Any Asia country other than Japan
These are people who still cry about 'Nanking' and Manchuria. Chinese/Korean dog is worst loser in all of Asia.
America nuke us and we fucking let that go.
>Han Chinese that fled to taiwan after the civil war are different than the first Han Chinese settlers
Trump wants to put a 45% import tax on china shit. Go sell your toxic garbage to some other country you dumb gook.
Arms sales and the TRA act contradict its explicit and official rhetoric. The US does not recognize an independent taiwan and so the self determination argument is void.
If the us disagreed with china, taiwan would be admitted in the un
>KMT are original rulers of China
>CCP has civil war with KMT
>KMT retreats to island of Taiwan
>CCP takes mainland chinese land by force
>CCP cannot conquer Taiwan.
How is this even a question?
Following this it's very obvious that Taiwan is an independent nation by the virtue of CCP not being able to conquer them.
Just because CCP defeated the KMT on the mainland doesn't mean that the KMT stops existing and should cede their land to CCP. Do chinks not understand war and territory changes?
Obviously someone stuck in the ivory cloud.
The EXPLICIT REALITY is that Taiwan has an independent government and is protected by US military assets from any invasion by China.
UN and international decorations are window dressing.
The reality is China and Taiwan have TWO independent governments and USA military power is on the side of keeping it this way.
Does USA allow China to save face and promote neutrality between the two sides by "freezing" tensions? Yes.
The Chinese will pay for this through a 45% tariff.
We'll see how far you guys will go withou chinashit.....
PROTIP: 80% of the worlds goods have one part or the other in it that is MADEINCHINA.
Good luck paying 45% TAX to your gov for every lil thingy you want to buy...
Also Trump is a Cuck he can't even grow bald and not stress about it.
Taiwan is about to have a big landside victory for the pro-Taiwanese Independence party (green).
Tsai Ing-Wen has stated she wants to stop Taiwan from having their businesses' manufacturing be done on the mainland, and will push hard for international recognition of Taiwan as a fully independent nation.
Keep in mind, Election Day is TOMORROW.
Shit, both of you can't you be more obvious? We all know you chinks are butthurt because some Island chinks have their own form of government and ideas and you never managed to conquer them. Alright.
We also know that the people there are refugees from a traditional china before your supreme leader went in and started a cultural and economic revolution that cost you 40 millions lives and much of your old millennia old heritage.
Both reasons enough for them to be a state, especially since they all want to remain independent, which by UN standards means right to self determination.
Btw try to invade Taiwan and see how the US responds. Let's see if they really think there's one China or if they send their massive fleet to kick you right back to your commie distopia.
"Taiwan is a sovereign and independent country. Any change in the status quo must be decided by all residents of taiwan by means of a plebiscite"
Chen shui-bian, 1999
The roc stopped pretending to be china in the early 90s because they realized the prc was there to stay.
the Tzuyu/kpop show is just some shit caught in the crossfire. Taiwan media goaded the Chinese netizens with inflammatory articles into attackign Tzuyu over it.
Which makes China look awful and riles up all the pro-independence.
This is a huge political blunder by China and does nothing for Taiwan/China relations.
But blah blah blah chinese state and chinese people are different things blah blah just hand over Taiwan to the glorius peoples republic so I can get my 50 cents. So much easier to bullshit some dumb poor farmer.
Because the UN and weird flag waving events are the most important thing. USA just forgot about that and focused on military might.
Hurry and go remind them that Taiwan isn't a member of the UN.
Taiwan is De Facto independent and even if the US agreed to "return Taiwan" China would still have to fight a brutal war to reclaim the Island. A war they possibly could lose. The Taiwanese military is not small beer by any stretch.
And considering how China is treating Hong Kong, there is absolutely no way in hell the Taiwanese would agree to peaceful reunification.
>no one will be buying it....
>you can get your shit somewhere else
Where India perhaps...
I so fucking hope Trump wins. Its been long since 9/11 I haven't had a good laugh about you guys fucking up your own country for a long time.
Lawful treaties are meaningless if the people involved refuse to recognize them. In this case, the people involved are the people of Taiwan. They'll post your precious treaty to a rocket and launch it at a any Chinese troop formation that shows up to enforce it.
China should be returned to Taiwan you fucking retard, they are the legitimate government of the Chinese mainland, the communists literally seized power through violent upheaval.
Chiang Kai-shek and the Kuomintang reunited China during the Northern Expedition, formed a unified government, then the communist terrorists overthrew them and chased them into Taiwan while they were weakened by the war with Japan.
There is no argument for Taiwan being "returned" to the communists, it never once even belonged to them.
Lots of Taiwanese girls look like this with large circle lenses and hipster glasses.
I had a classmate in chinese class whose parents were from taiwan and she told me that when she went there three years ago, the amount of young good looking taiwanese girls is like five times the amount of young good looking taiwanese guys
At least for the foreseeable future they will be independent. When dynamics shift significantly there might be something new but Taiwan is independent as any other country now.
China is the center of the world, so all nations on earth are vassals of China, lawfully.
A majority of Taiwanese speak Hokkien, Taiwan was originally inhabited by Pingpu and Geoshan (who are related to Filipinos and Indo-Malays) for 8,000 years before Qing colonized the Island in the 17th century, and the Island was recognized as part Japan after WW2 until 1952 when Japan renouced sovereignty over Taiwan and signed a treaty with the RoC recognizing all it's inhabitants to be citizens of the RoC, not PRC.
>"Oh no you have bested me in a war but have not managed to conquer my territory completely. I better hand over all my remaining territory and stop existing. Can't wait to trade my first world standard of living and become a chinese third world shithole"
This is literally the logic of people who support China on this.
Daily reminder to ignore pro-Chinese posts from Canada and Australia, "Mexican immigrants work hard" posts from America, German posts defending Turks, "Sikhs are bro-tier" posts from Canada, and every post that comes from Japan.
>In reality, Taiwan should have been returned to China after the Cairo and Potsdam
I come into your house and set up shop.
You flee to the house next door.
I now claim the house next door.
>I minor in east asian studies
I will have a grande caramel macchiato
>The Island of Taiwan has been Chinese property for hundreds of years.
Well since Taiwan hosts the Kuomintang party who are the real rulers of China I agree.
All of Chinese land should be returned to Taiwan.
>Implying the regime change was legitimate
>Implying those that didn't want to live under the previous regime didn't have a right to self determination
Eric X. Li please go. This level of PRC shilling is shameful. Did you get fired from the CFR?
The ability to enforce your sovereignty does not mean the ability to always win. I can guarantee if the US Army went over the Mexican or Canadian borders tomorrow body bags full of US troops will start coming back the day after, even if the overall outcome is a foregone conclusion.
Taiwan doesn't have nukes. If China really wanted to they could without the risk of nuclear war, but the rest of the world would be hella pissed off.
yes, but let's be realistic that would never happen
word there's a lotta Taiwanese cuties out there
You're right. But the us isn't being fair or honest. It's lying and supporting taiwan only out of its personal interests against what should actually be the case.
Regardless, given a rising china and declining us, the us government is increasingly reluctant to give taiwan a hand. Ma knows this and is why he seeks closer ties with china, along with economic reasons
He said minor you fucking autist. It's what educated people do on the side for personal enrichment. I know it's an alien concept to a fucking retarded college drop out like you, but yeah.
Oh, so it's only a matter for 40% of the Chinese population? I swear, the Northern Chinese are the biggest cunts in the world. You think White Supremacists are bad, the KKK doesn't have shit on the Han.
>"With the existence of the network, the ideological front has been completely thrown open ... National security has become an important component part of our country’s overall security 'chessboard.' It may be said that without cybersecurity, there is no national security."
There is no point arguing. They are Chinese.
Very low likelihood they have the ability to critically think on this issue. You are just going to get the canned lines they have been raised learning.
Shitposts aside, this is fucking stupid.
So I don't think Tzuyu is to blame, though JYP is to blame because he made multiple apologies that attempted to shift the blame elsewhere
"Our Tzuyu is too young to form an opinion on Taiwan"
It's just fucked up that it had to come to this, because it's made it so much worse on both sides
Korea will side with Twice, though Taiwan won't be happy, China will continue to get pissed and will only be okay when Tzuyu gets kicked from Twice
>Patriots defeat Britain in American war of independence
>Therefore Britain should cede it's territory to America and stop existing
Top kek, I'm not Chinese. I think they are the fucking scum of the earth. I was just noting how much extra controversy and attention this case has received, strictly because it happened to an attractive young female.
They are defeated, a cucked shadow of their original self only dreaming of retaking China with nothing to back it up. Let the green coalition win and end this misery one way or another
The point here isn't that Taiwan and China should be separate and independent nations. The point is that the Republic of China is the legitimate government of China and should be preserved, and anyone who says otherwise is filthy Commie scum.
>Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and much of Canada speak English
>has the same DNA as British
>were mostly still British territories before WW1
Should all former British colonies of manly British descent be returned to the UK by this logic?
The consequences for China would indeed be dire if they nuked Taiwan. Using Nukes against an unarmed state is literally rabid dog scenario in international relations. You risk making everyone forcibly put you down. At the very least China would be expelled from the United Nations and face North Korea level economic sanctions and financial asset seizures.
At the Very worst, following their expulsion from the UN, the Security Council would adopt a war resolution and everyone would pile onto China like it was the Boxer Rebellion again.
It's a non issue but was brought up because of the election. She is just a pawn in the whole thing and the people who originated it are Chinese nationalists who thought it would help their cause somehow.
Reality is it's just pissing off Koreans and Taiwanese people against China. While the Chinese nationalist pat themselves on the back about how they got the apology etc.
As a result of chinese colonization in the 17th century, the Chinese are not native to Taiwan, and again 70% of Taiwanese speak Hokkien and Japan ceeded Taiwan to the ROC in 1952, not PRC.
Also not to take China's side
But JYP was fucking stupid to say that Tzuyu is too young and naive to form an opinion
Yet old enough to sexualise in a commercial
>I'm not Chinese. I think they are the fucking scum of the earth.
Because one exists and the other does not anymore.
The Japanese built this back when Taiwan was a Japanese colony. The Taiwanese still love Japan and distrust China.
I don't think anyone has posted the translation of the video yet so I will.
>"Hello everyone. I have something to say to all of you. I am Tzuyu. I'm sorry, I should have apologized earlier. I didn't dare to face all of you earlier because I didn't know how to react to the current situation. There is only one China, Taiwan and China are part of the same country. I have always been proud of my identity as a Chinese. As a Chinese, during my activities in China, due to my words and actions, I have caused harm to my company and to netizens. I feel very sorry and ashamed. I have decided to suspend all my activities in China and reflect on my actions. Once again, I'm very very sorry."
She has basically been forced by her record label to deny the existence of her nation and people.
it's to save face you retard. it flatters the party while chalking up the error to something as non-serious as youthful ignorance. god how can you be so basic and post on a politics board
Mainland Chinese pretty much ruin the international reputation of other developed east Asian countries because of the uncivilized manner in which most of them act. Not to mention how brainwashed people in the PRC are, note that the outrage from this event came from the regular citizens from mainland china, the government wouldn't want to have any part of it because they know its retarded, but they have more than enough uneducated, nationalistic civilians ready to spread the outrage. I went to Beijing in ~04 and its pretty crazy how brainwashed they are, probably only outdone by Best Korea.
Reminder to support Tzuyu because she's extra cute
I know, but it isn't so much about the celebrity, but rather about the demographic and societal worth of the victim in question. It's sort of like when a person goes missing - the cases with the most attention are those concerning young attractive women.
>the prc has legal precedent to take Taiwan.
Then why don't they? They took the rest of China by force, why not Taiwan.
Obviously they can't because they will then be at war with the US. So instead the PRC just want the final piece of China handed over to them for free, completing their conquest of China.
For years they thought the health warning the US embassy was issuing to American tourists in Beijing about the pollution was just baseless propaganda.
I don't think they could wrap their heads around the concept that the American Government actually cared about the health of its citizens, and that as a consequence, the Chinese Government did not. Because the Chinese government was not issuing the same warnings.
>Mainland Chinese pretty much ruin the international reputation of other developed east Asian countries
Not like they care. They did this shit during most of their history and been waiting for decades to be strong enough to continue to do so. Other asian countries are like ants for them.
i'm 42. how old are you guys?
Clearly. As the the insurgent overlord of what is now the largest portion of the British Empire (STFU CANADA!!) we are clearly the legitimate successors of said Empire. Its about time the tiny wayword island of Brittania was returned to its rightful rulers.
Taiwan wasn't a separate entity until Chiang Kaishek retreated and fortified himself there with American naval support. It's like saying the Confederacy should have been allowed to take over and keep Hawaii as a separate state had they managed to retreat there after losing the American Civil War.
Belarus is set to be annexed by Russia and has been since 1996; the only thing holding it up is Lukashenko wanting to have his own personal dictatorship; As soon as he dies Russia will grow bigger.
It was in South Korea, and they don't care about main land China until it hurts their pocket books. Just a bad case of improper planning that mainland China would be children over the Taiwanese flag being shown
When pro-independence wins tomorrow will it finally be the end of "I'm the real China", "No I am!"
Taiwan needs to get it's self an independent identity that is completely separate from China.
>regime change destroys culture
>a country that ive never visited is a shithole
>muh evil communism
>hurr durr your stupid because i dont agree with you
the only reason a country like taiwan exist is because americans recognised the regime to spite communism from spreading the region
Only 9% of Taiwanese want to be part of China.
Honestly PRC is just butthurt because Taiwan is higher average wealth.
>A clear majority (65.2%) of those polled — 1,079 valid samples from 20 cities and counties – preferred to maintain today’s political status quo of de facto independence. However, when only given “independence” or “unification” as the options, 68.9 percent would support independence, while 17.1 percent said they would support unification with China.
Taiwan is doing better don't want to be part of you.
But that's wrong.
Imagine if the United Soviet States of America was in a civil war with the United States of America, and by some ridiculous timeline fuckery the Soviet Union managed to support them to victory, forcing the USA to only occupy Alaska.
After 50 years of shitty commie rule, you wouldn't say that Alaska was a made up entity and should be given back to the filthy commie USSA.
>I touched a soft spot
I minored in nanoscience. You compliment your major with it. It's not a hobby club. You have to pay for it.
This is a bad analogy, or a very good analogy, but not in the way you want.
Hawaii, like Taiwan, had a large indigenous population with their own rulers, and like Taiwan, Hawaii was occupied by a colonial expansion from the mainland. Claims of Sovereignty are never cut and dry, and "historical claims" do not carry the same weight to the claims of the people who are physically living in an area.
For you nerds, this is why you lose a core in EU IV after 50 years of failing to maintain control of an imperial province. Taiwan, like Hawaii, is an Imperial province. Unlike Hawaii, Taiwan has managed its own independent affairs with no control from by the claiming overlord.
Like I said, she should join a JPOP group and target the Japanese market. The Japs hate China, and love Taiwan (it used to be a colony and was never "raped" like Nanking). She would be a huge celebrity in Japan for standing up to the commies.
Chinese manufacturing is consistently worthless and overseen by comically dishonest people.
US manufacturing is returning.
Price-competitive US alternatives exist for almost every Chinese product.
This is held back by groupthink and by placement, but there are essentially activist groups that encourage you to look for the US equivalent.
And then there's the looming normality of 3-D printing.
The Chinese manufacturing boom was only ever possible because of now-permanently-gone relative price advantage. Now it us returning to US and Mexico because the Pacific Ocean is rather wide.
China is an evil system dedicated to inferiority. A victory for the PRC is a humiliation for the human race to include Chinese humans.
Because six gorillion PRC chinks and their cucked western supporters are deluded enough to think that since the shitty communist party rules mainland they also have the right to rule Taiwan.
Producer probably told some prop guy to give each one a flag from their country and the prop guy got that flag because he thought people were reasonable and capable of rational thought so they wouldn't get butthurt over something so trivial and gave it to her and she used it cause she does what she is told.
Actually, I'm basically of the same mind on the matter: a country has the right to exist if it is able to enforce its right to exist. But that also means having to accept the PRC as the rulers of Taiwan when they take Formosa/Taiwan back through coercive means.
Quite right. Government cannot derive legitimacy from the consent of the governed. It's just like how, if I am a rapist who is stronger than you, it's not your consent to give. We should just let the powerful do whatever they want because it's not like that's the reason China has been a broken hellhole for most of its existence.
No you'll be the ones paying the tax you slant eyed dog eater, the point is that things will no longer be poorly made in china by illiterate ape people but made properly by white people.
China's government works, though.
>The PRC is a Communist shithole that has murdered millions
>The US supports Taiwan because it's the last vestige of democracy of China
Oh yeah, Chiang Kai Shek was totally democratically elected. Dumb canuck.
Untrue, it was liberated from the Japanese by the PRC.
Completely untrue. Liberated before bombing of Hiroshima.
Fuck Taiwan. Its full of criminals who spend all day hacking away at US businesses and persons on facebook trying to steal directly or with identity theft. They need the big Chinese dick in their asses to straighten them out.
>white people want low cost factory jobs
US is the only country where the age is too high at 18 tbhq. Most the world is at 16, some even less but I think 16 alright.
I think Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Michigan, and some others are 16, with no limit on how much older a partner can be. Other states have 16 and 17 with acceptable age differences of 1-5 years. Actually not that many states are 18 and up as one might think, it's just that 18 is when the age difference limits disappear.
Most if not all the country was 16, but the blame can be placed on the moral crusades of the 1920s and 30s that lifted the age to 18 for many states.
Says the Spaniard.
No such thing as Chinese either, by the way. What you think of as Chinese is Han and it only technically covers second-rate races like Hokka and Mao and Uighurs.
This is mostly instigated by one asshole, 黃安, a wash-up entertainer just wants some attention, and the MainLand Chinese give him plenty since he is a huge asshole to Taiwan.
That doesn't mean she owes allegiance to a fucking Communist flag. Nationalists are the legitimate government of all of China, including the Mainland.
"Hello everyone. I have something to say to all of you. I am Tzuyu. I'm sorry, I should have apologized earlier. I didn't dare to face all of you earlier because I didn't know how to react to the current situation. There is only one China, Taiwan and China are part of the same country. I have always been proud of my identity as a Chinese. As a Chinese, during my activities in China, due to my words and actions, I have caused harm to my company and to netizens. I feel very sorry and ashamed. I have decided to suspend all my activities in China and reflect on my actions. Once again, I'm very very sorry."
won't taiwanese be mad now?
I truly believe Taiwan should stay independant.
In fact, i think all countries but France should be balkanised. It's going to be good for the world economy, all small countries are very competitive !
I actually remember the US and Canada before much of anything was made in China and Korea ect.
Everything was of a much higher quality. I still have many things from when I was a child that were American/Canadian made, they're in perfect shape.
True, we did have much less shit in our houses in general back then. But what we had was better shit.
You are such a fucking retarded commie-sympathizing shill, you disgust me.
I understand why Hitler hated communists so much, you rewrite history and claim your fabrication is the truth, you're just like the Jews.
The Taiwanese military might disagree m8. A naval invasion is not an easy thing to do. Especially against a country with modern tanks, aircraft and artillery. China would need a D-Day level commitment for an invasion. It would be impossible to keep a secret and their landing points would be obvious. The beach would be contested and the body count enormous.
And then if you get past the beaches you will have to fight in the urban jungle of a modern 21'st century city, facing entrenched infantry armed with modern weapons. Like rifles, homing missiles, portable SAM's and more tanks. Even if everything goes according to "plan", the Chinese Military can expect horrific losses, and the civilian deathtoll would likewise be appalling.
All of this of course, being played out 24/7 on every news network on the planet. With China as the brutal aggressor.
Pre globalization was also before planned obsoletence, both of which were basically implemented for greedy corporations to be able to milk more money from the population. Not saying products from China aren't of subpar quality, but stuff made back then was made to last unlike now.
That's not same. You aren't German. You don't speak German. You don't have German culture, and USA was never a part of Germany.
And if you read carefully you'll notice I don't support PRC annexing Taiwan.
Independent taiwan is stupid though.
Just as retarded as an independent scotland or ireland, or those who believe in seceding from the united states.
Countries who can't defend themselves should not be allowed independence.
>chink calling anyone else impotent
Don't chinks go to great lengths to find "traditional chinese aphrodisiacs" like boiled tiger cubs in oil and cutting bears open while they're still alive to get their bile?
Is anyone else fucking sick of everyone being cucks to China?
They're fucking scum of the earth. David Cameron has started licking their boots recently. The UN should have never given the Chinese seat to communist usurpers.
Taiwan can defend themselves, with US support, as is essentially guaranteed to them by various agreements.
By your definition, very few countries today, and throughout history, would have independence. The political stage is about more than brute force, with proper diplomacy you can sustain yourself as a nation without even an effective standing military, that's how the world works, that is how it has always worked.
Not to mention more products back then had parts catalogs where if something broke, you could get a new, sometimes find a used part, or even improvise and fix something yourself. Nowadays things aren't really made to be taken apart and be tinkered with, and if something breaks, there isn't often a part you can just buy, and even if there is they only are available until the company pulls it out of production, such as with cars, computers, and large appliances; you basically have to throw it away and buy a new one after a couple of years for most things these days.
But then again most things have electronic circuit boards now instead of old electrical analog and mechanical components that could be fixed.
Let me know when Tiger Farms start opening up in America though.
Not quite a myth sadly.
Extinction By Traditional Chinese Medicine - An Environmental Disaster
As China’s massive energy and economic development spawns the largest middle class in history, it’s also creating the largest upper and middle class population on the planet. And they are causing another type of environmental disaster – extinction of endangered species through poaching.
An epidemic of poaching is sweeping the world (Nature Conservancy) fueled by the rising rich of China and Asia. Endangered species are being killed at an increasing rate for the sole crime of being the core of bizarre cultural traditions. Caught in this frenzy of nasty rituals are animals like the rhinoceros, which as a species may not be long for this world (Save The Rhino).
Despite entreaties from the United Nations and many western governments, there is a dense silence from the governments on the receiving end of these body parts. We see this over and over in developing countries on every issue from worker rights to environmental destruction. “The West had its way on this, so why can’t we?”
What a depressing way to live, those tigers are meant to roam free in the jungle. Zoos are okay but tiger farms are just cruel. Reminds me of Soviet commie blocks, no living thing should live like that.