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>Biology professor says race isn't biological
When will this PC ride end? I want off
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>>61114508
Call him a retard.
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>>61114508
Ask him if it is okay to discriminate based on clearly defined biological differences.
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He's gotta say that or else get anally raped by the students and the faculty
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>I know biology better than the biology professor
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>>61114681
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>>61114508
Debate him on it
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>>61114508
There are no "races".

Technically, they are sub-species.
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>>61114681

It's not about biologists not knowing biology, it's about them being fed PC bullshit every step of the way on race since WW2. Race science was legit and explains things accurately. It often gets misrepresented in PC egalitarian tracts.
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>>61114508
ask why 2 black people dont have ginger kids sometimes
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>>61114508
Isn't there medicine that works differently depending on the race?

But in any case, humans would be the first animal ever in history where there is only one race. Doesn't make sense.
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>>61114681
>there isn't a biological explanation for your skin, hair, and eye color differing from someone else's.
>there isn't a biological explanation for peoples living in the same area and descended from the same group of people having the same or similar physical characteristics.

For fuck's sake, Anon, black people don't even have hair that functions like the rest of humanity's. They also susceptible to certain diseases like sickle cell.

If the answers do not lie within the realm of biology when I don't know what would.
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>>61115028
Triggerology
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>>61114681
>>I know biology better than the biology professor

Is there any objective definition of race?
That would settle the debate once and for all.
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>>61114508

>mfw my Japanese Genome Evolution professor put "race isn't meaningless but it is biologically imprecise" in his power point slides.
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>>61115028
That doesn't mean they are different races
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Both racists are modern SJW's are retarded.
Color of skin doesn't mean shit, culture does. Look at blacks like Obama, Sowell, Carson, DGT. Then look at some ghetto rat. Do you seriously believe they are same?
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What is the point beyond where biological variation in a certain race/sub-species can be treated as a race of its own?
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>>61115131
What word would you like to use to group these similar peoples together then?
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>>61115205
Degenerate/non-degenerate
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>>61114508
>Implying

Whites can be niggers too.
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>>61114508
Time to get out of community college and get a job.
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>>61115195
You're right, it's not the melanin in your body that determines your race. A mixed kid can be Germanic and be able to drink milk just like any other Germanic.

But that doesn't mean human races doesn't exists.
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What kind of a shitty Uni did you go to? My Biochem lecturers all openly talk about race as it is critically important in disease.

You could bait him. Ask him what sub-species and when he's at the height of his smugness ask "So human races are sub-species of Homo sapiens?"
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>>61115195
>DGT
Who?

>>61115277
What is even a nigger?
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>>61115463
D'Quan Gezus & Trayvon
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Protip; when people say race has no biological basis, they are using a very old definition of race in which races were considered akin to seperate species.

I'm that definition, yes, "race" has nonbiological basis, because it has been proven we are all human.

But it's a bullshit response and is used by people today so they can score PC and progressive points. People don't think of "race" as meaning seperate species today, and it is obvious to anyone that something like skin colour is a biological difference.
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>>61115463
Someone who behave like a stereotypic black American ghetto thug.
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>>61115445
>You could bait him. Ask him what sub-species and when he's at the height of his smugness ask "So human races are sub-species of Homo sapiens?"

We are all the same, but we are all different the the same time and we have to celebrate diversity.
That's why, I, as a college professor, live in a 98% white neighborhood.
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>>61115431
Never said that, but point is races mean very little, what matters is the culture of certain group.
>>61115463
Black Science Man
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>>61115655
Wow, thank you, Australia. I was afraid that you were here to shitpost too. I.. I'm sorry I doubted you.
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>>61115761
>Never said that, but point is races mean very little, what matters is the culture of certain group.

Race matters.
Adopted kids resemble more their biological parents than their adoptive ones.
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>>61114508
By race isn't biological, what they (usually) mean is there is no "race" gene. Because there isn't. Believe it or not, Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on the planet. Humans associate skin color with a few facial features as a different "race" when there is a lot more to genetics with that. This is because humans are extremely visual creatures, so they rely on their eyes a lot, often to a fault (like in the case of race). A black person isn't any more genetically different to a white person than a ginger person is, but even moreso than that, there are black people who look similar to each other, but are further apart genetically than they are to white people. Looks don't determine how genetically different two people are.

Don't expect stormfaggots on /pol/ to understand this though.
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>>61115220
Sorry...I don't understand, could you repeat your message.
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>>61114508
>biology

HE FELL FOR THE STEM MEME
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>>61115961
>no genetic basis for race

you are dumb as fuck
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>>61115876
So how come there are blacks like those I mentioned?
Educated, successful people. My point is racism isn't applicable to real life, it's simply a fetish. And this goes to all racism, including black racism (which is even dumber).
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>>61115961
>/pol/ should understand psudoscience
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>>61115761
>races mean very little
>pic related

But I agree to a point where every human can learn how to behave appropriateing to a certain culture.

If I was born in Montenegro, I would behave accordingly to your culture no matter how blonde and blue eyed I am.

But if an Abo and I moved to your country to day, who do you think would assimilate best?
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>>61116195
That's not what he's saying at all; you missed the point.
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>>61114508
He's a fucking idiot then

Population stratification is race
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>>61115961

You won't find the DNA that made the aboriginals in anyone in africa. only other place is papua and little island off the coast of India.

In other words they are different races.
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>>61114508
ask him about subspecies
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Complain and get him fired.
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>>61115655
Race, in biology, has been used as an informal term for subspecies for at least a few decades, and its usage was mostly dropped to differentiate it from race as a sociological concept.
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>>61115961
I am trying to wrap my simple mind around it, Anon. Thank you, though.

Can I compare humans to dogs though? There are akibas with red hair, and there are akibas with black hair. They are both akibas, but I guess the correct word for this is that there are... different akiba breeds?

Should we be saying that then with respect to people? Are whites and blacks different "breeds"?

English isn't my first language btw, so sorry if I am making stupid mistakes.
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>>61116283
>where every human can learn how to behave appropriateing to a certain culture
That's my point, excluding extreme examples of course.
>who do you think would assimilate best?
I don't know. I actually went to school with a black girl (African mother). She didn't act any different from rest of people here. Don't know shit about Abos though.
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>>61114960
What are you talking about? What other animals have race? None that I know of. I think you're thinking of sub-species, in which there is actually only one currently living sub species of homo sapien, which is us, homo sapien sapien. All of the other ones died out ages ago.
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>>61116529
Kids are very easy to get to assimilate. That's also why we have no problem getting young Romanians here, but I would like the adults to stay away.
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>>61114508
Accuse him of intellectual dishonesty based on political bias/ideology

PCness is a social construct
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>>61116284
He say's there's no "race" gene, but there are in fact a cluster of genes associated with each race that result in an average occurrence of traits, it's easy as fuck to tell.

It's easy to tell what breed a dog is with genetics much less what race a human is.
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>>61116692
I guess we agree then.
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>>61116222
>My point is racism isn't applicable to real life, it's simply a fetish. And this goes to all racism, including black racism (which is even dumber).

Assuming you are not just shitposting, racism and stereotyping is useful.
You need useful euristics to navigate trough life.
For example if I see a group of young black males wearing hoodies heading towards, I'm just going to be extra careful.
Non judgmentalism will get you killed.
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>>61116831
>For example if I see a group of young black males wearing hoodies heading towards, I'm just going to be extra careful.
But that's my point, that's not racism, that's common sense.
If you saw some fat Sicilian guys in tracksuits, you would be wary too, right?
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>>61114508
>ask him if gender isn't biological as well
>when he says that it is, call him a shitlord
>...
>patriarchy
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>>61116195
I never said that, I said there's no race gene, and what we think of as racial differences aren't always the biggest genetic differences between people.

>>61116325
Again, I never said there aren't races by our definition. I said there is no race gene, which is where the "no biological basis" thing comes from. Races are just a collection of traits that we group people in, though, and it's not as concrete as say, families, species, subspecies, in terms of genetic differences.

>>61116496
Dogs were selectively bred by humans, that's why we call them breeds, and not races, and their genetic differences are quite a bit different because of human meddling. But yeah, subspecies originating from different parts of the world, and then as a result having different physical characteristics would be the same thing as different races, more or less.
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>>61116644
Evolution never stands still, it's always in motion and therefore new races will always be made

Just take Darwins finches as a populair example.
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>>61116831
>But that's my point, that's not racism, that's common sense.

But you see, they are GENETICALLY violent.
Do you understand this concept?
They are less likely to feel empathy.
Low impulse control.
They are neurologically different.
GENETICS my friend.
You can't change that with culture alone.

>If you saw some fat Sicilian guys in tracksuits, you would be wary too, right?

You have watched too many movies. Mafia guys look working class as fuck.
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>>61116529
There are thousands of clusters of genes that correlate with race there is no one "gene" but rather numerous genes that aggregate into an average that results in average differences that can be identified and associated with phenotypes.

You're just playing language games in order to pretend there's no genetic basis for race.
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>>61116126
>biology
>STEM
choose one

>>61114508
It is merely a social construct, bro!
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Damn you, patriarchy, for oppressing chihuahua so they stay small and keep them out of sleigh races.
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>>61117217
By every definition, the different human races are a lot closer together than different subspecies, i.e. homo sapiens idaltu. Subspecies are a lot more distinct than races, but sure, by our flimsy definition of race (I say this because there's no agreed upon definition), more races will be created all of the time, and it's actually very good for humanity that that happens.
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>>61117091

i understand there isn't a singular "race gene" however there is genes are only found in one race and not another.

That's why you can tell someone's race just by their DNA
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>>61117479
>w-we're all the same it's just a meme
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"If you redefine the word 'race' to mean something different, than race isn't real!"

Another quality insight from the field of sociology.
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>>61117523
That's complete bullshit it takes thousands of years to create a race, mixing races just destroys whatever "diversity" there once was.
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For a century or more there have been dreams of "proving" the superiority of this or that "race," class, sex, or other group by demonstrating a relation between brain size and IQ. Earlier studies used measures of head size and have been strongly discreditied on several grounds. For example, it turns out that there is little relationship between head size and brain size. More recent studies, using magnetic resonance imaging of the brain, which is assumed to be more accurate, have suggested some correlation between brain size and IQ. One recent study by American psychologist Lauren Flashman and colleagues suggested a small correlation of around 0.25. Again, though, we have to remember that there are many possible ways in which such a correlation could be brought about, other than a direct causal relationship. For example, that those individuals who have the culturally specific knowledge and self-confidence required for IQ tests are also better nourished, or are taller and heavier, and in turn because they come from better socioeconomic backgrounds. After all, a correlation between body size and brain size of 0.5 and 0.6 has long been known, and there have also been reports of an association between self-confidence and test performance. In addition, we have to remember that individuals with very small brains (less than half the average size) have been identified, and are otherwise perfectly normal. And female brains are about 15 percent smaller than those of males, with no apparent difference in intelligence.
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>>61117217

Scary to think that the abo is probably mixed and looks better than her peers.
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>>61117554
Sure, but there are genes even within some white people that you won't find within other white people. Clusters of genes, even. The reason why we put so much stock into race is because humans are visual, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned, I'm just pointing out what the biology teacher meant.
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>>61117523
I don't follow your line of thought. You just said "What other animals have race? None that I know of."

And now you say "the different human races are a lot closer together than different subspecies"
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>>61117523
Here's a paper that supports the assertion that races are a sub species.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19695787
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>>61117799
Who gives a shit about diversity? Capitalizing on the best genes of each race is a lot more important.
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>>61117838
>And female brains are about 15 percent smaller than those of males, with no apparent difference in intelligence.

Getting a little ahead of yourself there chief
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>>61114508
ask him why africans dominate sprinting events whilst Whites dominate swimming
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>>61117843

>but there are genes even within some white people that you won't find within other white people. Clusters of genes, even.

>some

exactly, some, but not all. As I said you can tell someones race by their DNA. This has been shown in court.

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3008240/Fullwiley_DNAWitnessRace.pdf?sequence=1
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>>61114508
oh yeah, and ask him about BiDil, a heart medicine only approved for use on african americans
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>>61117968
do you really buy the "superior mixed race" meme?

There's no proof whatsoever they're smarter or more athletic.
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>>61117338

>PC1
>PC2

What do the X and Y axis represent?
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>>61117843

Race isn't defined by those genes that are different. It's defined by the ones that are the same.
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>>61117930
Your image was referring to different subspecies, not races. We don't refer to any other animal as different "races", just our own.

>>61117947
One paper isn't really enough compared to all of the scientists who say otherwise. If it turns out I'm wrong, and there is enough biological basis to separate races into different subspecies, and the scientific community accepts it (and don't tell me they won't accept something so controversial, as if they never have before), then I will gladly concede. I'm just speaking based on what most scientists are saying right now. I don't claim to be a scientist or even a biologist, and if I'm proven wrong then even better, I learn something new.
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>>61116126
Nigger, you owe your first world nation and lifestyle to STEM.

Amazing how people like the effects of science and engineering, but throw it out the window when their sensibilities are threatened.
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>>61117838
> And female brains are about 15 percent smaller than those of males, with no apparent difference in intelligence.

Comedy gold.
BTW all that wall of text doesn't explain why people like scientist/inventors/innovators are only europeans and west asian, with a dash of curry niggers.
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>>61114508
>literally lying to children about scientific fact just to push PC propaganda
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>>61115655
if Whites have 1-4% neanderthal DNA, whilst Blacks have 0, can they really be considered the same species?

humans and chimps share something like 96-98% of their DNA, someone with 4% neanderthal leaves 96% available for similarity
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>>61114630
This. we have to be more honest with these people.
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>>61118177
SNP analysis/genetic variation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-nucleotide_polymorphism
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>>61118141
No, I don't think mixed races are superior. I think over thousands of years of evolution, mixing races could end up speeding up the process of achieving positive traits, though.
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>racial science
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It's fucking pseudosciences, there is not a lberal conspiracy among geneticists to deceive you, humans actually are very, very similar to each other especially considering how recently most major migrations were (in context of evolution)
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>>61118200
Who the fuck are we? And what do you call dog races?
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>>61115761
>Never said that, but point is races mean very little, what matters is the culture of certain group.
race is a product of genes, culture is a product of race
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>>61118289
No, because neanderthals share like 99% of their DNA with humans already, so only a 1% difference, and 1% of that is .01%.
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>>61118141
Funnily enough, mixed race people are plagued by a plethora of autoimmune diseases as well as psychological issues.

Mixing is actually dysgenic.
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>>61115242
And we would place you firmly in the former
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>>61118295

>Pfftt listening to old white racist men
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>>61118334
because we all look the exact same if you ignore skin color :^)
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>>61116788
what do PC1 and PC2 refer to?
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>>61118335
We call them breeds, I'm just saying what humans call them, we don't refer to any other animals as a "race" the same way as we do humans.
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>>61114508
lol i study general medicine and every professor i met is racist like me and my friends

they make fun of every nigger at our school who pays for their studies

my faw story is
>a group of portugese are coming near us
>professor of cardio clinic says
>hm toto budu asi arabske opice/hm those are arab monkeys probably
>hear portugese language
>he corrected himself: oh they are portugese....those monkeys look all same
>everybody is laughing at them
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>>61118334
So you disagree that bone structure, hair structure and facial features are biological?

What are they then? Coincidences? God? shapeshifters?
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>>61118549
We sure as hell do in Denmark
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>>61118334
>humans actually are very, very similar to each other

Dog breeds are very similar to each other too, but every dog breed has different physical and behavioral characteristics.
You don't treat a bulldog as a lapdog, or you get fucked. People have died because of that.
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>>61118569
BASED
I wish my country was as based as eastern europe ;_;
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>>61118463
the only difference between these men are their last names and the color of their skin
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>>61114883
Don't do this
>muh albinos
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>>61118534
SNP analysis/genetic variation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-nucleotide_polymorphism
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English prof basically told the whole class not to vote for Trump at one point - this wasn't even when he first came out as a candidate but only back in November. He said something about the deportations being amoral. Meanwhile though my British History prof basically favorably compared Trump to Hadrian in a half-joking way
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>>61114960
>>61116644
There's a heart medication called Bidil that works better for peoples of African descent
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>>61118463
the only difference between these individuals is the color of their skin
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>>61118759
How you enjoying british history?
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>>61118702
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>>61118692
your time will come bruv

we will be all racist one day
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How can you be racist of we are all the same race? :^]
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>>61115195
>Color of skin doesn't mean shit
Tell that to the adoption experts who say upbringing doesn't add IQ points.
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>>61118854
Jesus christ that curry nigger even makes the jungle nigger look relatively human by comparison.

>>61118923
Hopefully not before it's too late.
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>>61118883
Well we've only gone through 2 classes. It's sort of a very general run down covering a lot of time. Like right now we're on Celtics and the Roman invasions and such but we're expected to get to WWII. But the professor is really engaging with a small class. It's pretty based
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>>61117838
>it turns out that there is little relationship between head size and brain size
TOP KEK

some people have brains bigger than their heads?

and others have huge heads but tiny brains that wrattle around like peas in a coconut?

>>61118413
source?

>>61118570
interesting how the libtard ignores all the questions where he gets btfo

>>61118758
thanks
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>>61118200
>all of the scientists who say otherwise

I've already shown you one study that proves sub species can be closer than human "races" genetically

can you show even one study that proves otherwise?

Hard mode no opinion pieces that base their entire thesis on "Das Racis"
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>>61114508

Ask him/her about single nucleotide polymorphisms.
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Yeah who cares what a professor says? I'm sure the incoherent ramblings of a collective of online nazi weebos and trump supporters on an chinese little girl cartoon imageboard knows what's best for you. I mean, some of these threads even reach 350 posts.
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>>61114508
but it isn't, its genetic
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>>61119174
>Ask him/her about single nucleotide polymorphisms.

SNPs are social constructs
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>>61119126
Romans were cool as fuck, I live in the Roman Capital of Britain, camulodunum, currently colchester, hope you enjoy it mate.
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>>61119307
Single nucleotide polymorphisms are racist misogynist and problematic it's 2016 come on!
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>>61118200
>One paper isn't really enough compared to all of the scientists who say otherwise. If it turns out I'm wrong, and there is enough biological basis to separate races into different subspecies, and the scientific community accepts it (and don't tell me they won't accept something so controversial, as if they never have before), then I will gladly concede. I'm just speaking based on what most scientists are saying right now. I don't claim to be a scientist or even a biologist, and if I'm proven wrong then even better, I learn something new.
why haven't you answered the question about Bidil, a heart medicine only approved for use on African Americans?
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>>61118987
Sauce plz

I'm not doubting you. I'd just like to have some study to prove what I already know.

I also like to laugh at that "baby einstein" nonsense. Dumb kids wil stay dumb no matter the amount of mozart you expose them to.
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>>61119413
>Single nucleotide polymorphisms are racist misogynist and problematic it's 2016 come on!

We joke, but this is basically what it is thought in STEM(ish) universities.
And we wonder why don't we find effective cures for cancer.
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>>61119178
Don't ask /pol/ ask an expert

https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/woodley-2009-is-homo-sapiens-polytypic-human-taxonomic-diversity-and-its-implications.pdf

>he Sub-Saharan African (Bantu) and Australopapuan (Aborigine) genetic difference as measured by SNP’s is greater than the genetic distance between both the two species of gorilla ( Gorilla gorilla and Gorilla beringei ), and greater than the distance between the common chimpanzee and the bonobo as measured by mtDNA

Thanks expert!
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>>61115109
>but it is biologically imprecise
it actually is
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>>61118289
>I don't know the definition of species
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>>61119719
>https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/woodley-2009-is-homo-sapiens-polytypic-human-taxonomic-diversity-and-its-implications.pdf

From the paper:

In this manuscript a
case will be made for the hypothesis that H. sapiens is in fact polytypic
and that this has significant implications for fields such as
anthropology and medicine.

Thank you based expert.
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>>61119999
what's your definition then?
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>>61114508
For the 10*n^50 th time, anthropology generally recognizes the terms as separate.

Race= social perception of hereditary group
Ethnicity= genetic heritage and composition based on ancestry

This is not a hard concept, /pol/.
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>>61120403
Dogs are dogs

There are different breeds of dogs and we know that they can breed with each other

this is an acknowledged, accepted fact

By saying "there is no such thing as breeds" we effectively remove all sense of individuality in the different breeds of dogs while marginalizing their selective traits
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>>61120403
>race is just "perception"
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>>61118431
Okay bong just don't ban encryption or whatever dumb shit you are up to now
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>>61120101
Any organisms that can mate to create offspring capable of reproduction.
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>>61119577
Liberals fucking love science until it starts disagreeing with them, then it's racist and needs to be censored.
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>>61120101
the one Ernst Mayr came up with, defining a species as the largest group of organisms where two individuals are capable of reproducing fertile offspring.
It's not a perfect one, but it works for almost all sexually repoducing organisms.
And niggers and whites are capable of reproducing fertile offspring.
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>>61121015
oh dear, you just walked into my trap, you poor poor idiots

here is a list of genetic hybrids... many of which are capable of producing offspring which are fertile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids

oh dear... you were wrong, even one example disproves you, yet here are many such examples

poor uneducated retarded faggots
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>>61114508
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
I gave my psychology teacher this after a talk about how sterotypes are bad and IQ doesn't mean anything.

She said it's an old study(ill give her that) and that it doesn't mean anything because all the "races" are not a thing then she brought up obama as to show races dont exist. She brought up a heavily mixed man to argue that there is no fault lines between pure ethnicitys. Since I wanted to pass I let it go, but wow
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>>61121289
That's literally the definition. This is why we have subspecies.
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>>61121015
Lions and tigers produce fertile offspring aswell.
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>>61121289
If the "hybrids" are fertile, this just shows that these two "species" were wrongfully seperated
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>>61121366
if the definition is that different species can't have fertile offspring then what do you make of the list I just gave you of interspecies crosses, most of whom are capable of producing fertile offsrping?
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>>61115961
So, you're saying that some niggers are a a lot different than whites, and some are even more different than whites? Although you aren't intelligent enough to understand it, that is what you said.
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>>61114508
>race isn't biological

gasps. Must be a student of Franz Jewazz

Interestingly, it has just come out today that the achievement gap has hardly narrowed whatsoever between white and black students in the last 50 years since desegregation. In fact, at this rate it will 250 years for blacks to catch up to whites.
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>>61121798
>This is a list of genetic hybrids which is limited to well documented cases of animals of differing species able to create possibly infertile offspring.

interesting, different species able to mate and some of them produce fertile offspring

its like your definition is wrong in some way
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Wow OP, and you're still going to that school? I'd just drop out at this point if I were you man, you clearly aren't paying attention enough in class to learn anything.

inb4 but muh liberals, muh jewwws

No credible teacher on this planet is saying that race is not biological. What they are saying however is that race is far too broad, too generalizing, to represent reality accurately enough in biology. There are so many different genes and traits within our DNA that we can trace back to multiple different regions, but individually they don't matter. Why you ask? Because we've got over 20,000 different genes to compare between us! Race is only determined by physical appearances, and can include huge margins of error. Meanwhile, the genes that actually cause problems, the ones that make people act like a stereotypical nigger, can be traced down and removed from the gene pool. Race, for all intents and purposes, does not exist, but nigger genes do.

Nobody wants to own up to blacks carrying the majority of the bad genes, especially in 2016, but ignoring these time wasting politics and allowing our scientists to eventually find a way to turn all future niggers into respectable black men instead is what we should strive for. We need to grow beyond our desire to be like our ancestors, not in the globalized world we live in today. Besides, having pride in where you came from has always been a pointless dick waving contest for people who haven't personally accomplished anything. The only country you should be trying to represent is the one you were raised in.
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>>61121823
If what he said is true...hoe do whites and asians have neanderthal DNA, while the negroes have none? Neanderthals were a different species. They interbred with non neanderthals. Libs BTFO, and it wasn't even difficult.
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>>61121823
protip: the whole seperation of species is always a bit problematic. just look at ring species like this seagull
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>>61121982
>In fact, at this rate it will 250 years for blacks to catch up to whites.
This of course assumes that Whites would stagnate, which I guess is the point of No Child Left Behind.
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>>61122003
>different species
what makes you know they are a different species?
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>>61116283
Unsourced anon.
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Apparently he's a fucking idiot who doesn't recognize ethnic haplogroups and discussed genetic similarities between populations in close proximity to eachother. If I had 2 islands where the lizards could interbreed but one had blue tailed lizards and the other had yellow tailed lizards and green tailed lizards were formed then I would consider the blue and yellow unique groups if they had this unifying unique characteristic that was largely allocated to each island.
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>>61122232
We will be bankrupted by trying to keep paying for the negroes to catch up. All of our nation's resources will be expended on this vain task, and still won't make a difference.
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>>61121823
It's not perfect. I never said it made sense or I approved, it's just the most widely used definition in modern science.
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>>61122177
whats your point? the current definition of being able to create fertile offspring is BTFO

>>61122275
exactly, I have no working definition of species, but the popular definition is wrong

so wrong in fact, that negroids, caucusoids and mongoloids could actually be diffrerent to be not just different races, but distinct species
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>>61115961
So, that there supposedly isn't a "gene for skin color" doesn't have anything to do with biology of race. The fact that this seems to be the thing most people are educated on is pathetic commentary on our educational facilities.

Without racial consciousness you cannot have historical consciousness, only a consciousness of chronology.

The biological facts about race is that the Negroid race is the least developed and articulated race of sapiens, having only been in the sapien state for 40,000 years. Whites have been in the sapien state for 240,00 years. To just go along and ignore this is not honorable, it is ignorance, stupidity, and cowardice in its most unadulterated form. To assume that our highly-complex institutions are suitable for all distinct peoples in all times of history is resulting in our own genocide. No matter how long it takes, this is happening.

Without the preservation and solidarity of the ingenuity and munificence of the white race, the human race is sure to vanish. If we'd had exercised some patience in consolidating the inventive powers of the white race, science and eugenics would have solved the problems of race.

Instead, you get what you have now is a prison planet with nihilistic, multicultural cess occupying once beautiful countries where you cannot even speak openly about the most fundamental component of the the human condition, without being kicked out of school, fired from your job, and being shamed, hated, and ostracized by society.
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>>61114508
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>>61122521
>most widely used definition
widely used doesn't mean correct

>>61122547
its changing though bro, people are fed up with the bullshit, and the genocide
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>>61122536
So how would you define a species?
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>>61120644
In this analogy "breed" would be analagous to ethnic groups, not race, because it is based on genetic heritage. Race would be more analagous to labeling breeds as "terriers" and "hounds" and such.
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>>61122764
a distinct kind of organism
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>>61122734
one could even argue that the whole concept of "species" is bullshit, if you also keep time in mind:

Just imagine we had a fossil of evey single organism that ever lived. It would be completely impossible to separate these into distinctive species.
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>>61118607
This.
But then again, we aren't brainwashed by sjw-culture like Canada is.
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>>61122891
distinct in what way?
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>>61114681
Obviously. Facts of biology do not particularly care whether or not the person discussing them has a PHD or is tenured or whatnot. If he is wrong he is wrong.
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>>61115028
Those things are obviously social constructs, shitlord.
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They're not allowed to admit it, like how gynecologists aren't allowed to acknowledge post-op trannirs.
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>>61122764
A non-scientific term.
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>>61114508
Just ask him what are Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Australoid then?
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>>61114508
Never.

This guy will teach people race is not biological, then eventually some former students get a master or phd and tell people the same shit etc etc.
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>>61115961
This guy is actually right, this is what they showed in the human genome project. You could still define races based on traits though, I mean it's obvious that even though 2 people could be genetically closer than 2 other people it doesn't mean they're meaningfully (non-genetically) similar.
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>>61123066
genetically
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>>61123066
what is your opinion on Bidil?
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>>61114508
Show him this.
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>>61114681
WE HAVE DIFFERENT

FUCKING

SKULLS

CSI AND ANTHROPOLOGISTS CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN RACES MANY YEARS AFTER AN INDIVIDUAL'S DEATH

I HATE YOU SO MUCH
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>>61123420
That's still vague. Every human is genetically different from every other human.
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>>61123496
who?
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>there's more genetic variation within races than between them

Is anyone else tired of hearing this shit? It's been outed as a fallacy so many times and yet liberals preach it like its gospel.
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>>61123768
>there is a huge variety in pastries available at a store
>this means that there is no difference between a pizza and a croissant

race deniers gonna deny
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>>61123721
what, you cannot even google? oy vey
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>>61123768
nice source you got there m8

>>61123883
you know it's not meant like that
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>>61114508
>hide the truth because some black (or whatever else) students might get offended by it
>schools are effectively making people dumber now

Diversity is strength, they said.
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>>61123883
Kek. Just thought the same about claiming monkeys to be the same race as humans.
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>>61123946
why should I care about some poo in loo poet?
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>>61123402

Human genome project has been widely discredited Senpai. I know race isn't a legitimate scientific method of human classification but of course, generally, people of similar geographic locales have similar phenotypes. They have the same genotype, but its phentype that matters and things like epigenetics, which are more similar for two Sub-Saharans than for a Sub-Saharan and a non-African. The Genome project knew none of this, it was like babies first genetic experiment.
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>>61124131
>Isosorbide dinitrate/hydralazine is a fixed dose combination drug treatment specifically indicated for African Americans with congestive heart failure. It is a combination of hydralazine (an antihypertensive) and isosorbide dinitrate (a vasodilator). It is the first race-based prescription drug in the United States.[1]:7

>The combination preparation is marketed in the United States under the trade name BiDil by Arbor Pharmaceuticals, Inc. which purchased the rights to market the drug in December 2011 from NitroMed.

pathetic faggot
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>>61115961
>there are black people who look similar to each other, but are further apart genetically than they are to white people
Are you kidding? Even 1600s anthrobiology was clearly defining distinct racial groups among the regions of Africa. The only kind of person who cannot visually differentiate between Saharan groups, Bushpeople, coastal West Africans, Congolese, and Ethiopians, are people who have never even seen the groups.

Of course, being an American, you must imagine that all the people's of Africa are just like our niggers, interbred between the various Western African groups and Europeans in equal parts, mutts containing any random number of features of dozens of groups, and recessive genetics for hundreds more that may be passed to their children.

Hell, the first recorded form of racial discrimination was Egyptians saying they were different from Nubians. The idea that Africa is diverse is exactly as old as the idea that humans are diverse.
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>>61124042
just because two whites are more genetically distant than both are from an African does not mean race does not exist
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>>61115131
Of course not, it's only the very definition of the word and we know that definitions and meanings are the work of the Patriarchy.

The Gynocracy only has room for feels.
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>>61119838
This.

The term sub-species is much more accurate.
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>>61124258
specific genetic differences having an effect on the action of drugs is known for quite a while.
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>>61124083
>repeat the race IQ tests and social experiments
>blacks are genetically retarded spreads as a common idea
>dindus start getting acquitted an masse and going to rehab to fuck around
>chimpouts skyrocket to an all time high
>"DEM SCIENCE WHITEYS SAID WE DONT KNOW NO BETTA SEE?!"
>liberal extremists maintain firm grasp and use this as their tagline
>half of the US and EU turns into south Africa since nigs are now exempt from morals and common sense


Good idea, retard!
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>>61124859
No, you see, that was the part where we bring back the guys with the whips.
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What the point in "diversity"? Why does it exists? I am from asshole-on-a-stick race, can I have a job?
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>>61124993
>Why does it exists?
because we reproduce sexually
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>>61124389
not even that. The fact is that many individuals (not most though) don't fit into racial categorization because they result from mixtures. This can royally fuck up forensic work btw. It's like dog, you know, many of them don't belong to a specific breed. But the breeds do exist.
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>>61125221
Fucking thank you KO, I was talking about this liberal diversity shit taking place.
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>>61125343
>The fact is that many individuals

A very small minority - sub-species hold true for the huge majority of humans.
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>>61114508 (OP)
It's not.

As much as /pol/ cares about race, they don't understand it very well. Race IS perception, but again, /pol/ doesn't know what that means.

It not a denial of the obvious fact that people will be more genetically similar to those more closely related to them, and thus tend to share more traits. It's just a realization that people are bad at matching genotypes based on phenotypes.

Genetic similarity is real, but race doesn't correlate well to it. Appearance and culture plays a huge part in how people identify race. A Native American and Indian may be fairly different in comparison to the range of variation of human genetics, but if you were to swap their dress, behavior, and language, most people would misidentify the "race".

This is as stupid as saying because the wind is blowing east, the sailboat must be travelling east. Yeah wind factors into how and which direction sailboats move, but the two are not the same.
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>>61125431
>Appearance and culture plays a huge part in how people identify race.
I think you mean "ethnicity," not "race," phage.
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>>61125405
Uhm I don't think so. Look at the clinal zones in africa. You have a lot of different races and you get individuals where the distinction between, say, caucasoid and negroid os blurred. Or even the USA: most of the minorities are very impure racially. There's black guys with blue eyes ffs. With some people you just can't tell if they're mexican or black or white. Generally wherever big groups of races touch each other, admixtures will arise. Another example is syberia. East Russians are partly asian.
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>>61114820
You cannot be serious
>race science was appropriate
The racial scientist allowed their racist thought to influence their theories
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>>61125431
Yeah most people are fucking retarded. We are not most people. There are objective criteria for race determination without going so far as to examine the DNA. All you need to do is measure some bones.
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>>61124859
>>dindus start getting acquitted an masse and going to rehab to fuck around

How did you make this leap? People who are dumb still go to prison when they commit crimes.

>half of the US and EU turns into south Africa since nigs are now exempt from morals and common sense

Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly can't see liberals ever becoming the retarded.

At least I truly fucking hope so.
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>>61125938
what makes bones a better indicator for races than other phenotypical traits?
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>>61114508

Molecular biologist reporting.

First of all...
>*sigh*

Secondly, traits among humans are purely superficial. All dogs no matter what breed are the same species. The same is for humans no matter what size, shape, or skin tone: We are all the same species.

Superficial traits can be overridden: A "Pit Bull" Terrier, for example, can be made to be more docile and friendly, for example, given its environment despite its tendencies.

There is literally NO scientific evidence of racial superiority among humans. Every time I ask someone here to cite direct, scientific evidence, Pro Tip: You can't. Go ahead and try, though, and good luck!

Meanwhile, Intelligence Quotients aren't a SCIENTIFIC or even ACCURATE measure of human aptitude. You can measure precisely the speed of light in a vacuum or the amount of energy it takes to heat one cubic centimeter of water by 1 degree at sea level. You cannot precisely measure human aptitude.
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>>61126237
>Intelligence Quotients aren't a SCIENTIFIC or even ACCURATE measure of human aptitude.
this. IQ scores are bullshit. Ever notice that every time someone brags about their IQ score they are a fucking boring loser?
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>>61114508
My friend explained it to me like this:
There is no biological basis for race. The distinctions between races are arbitrary...not based on genetics. Obviously, people of different races are genetically different, but where do you draw the line? How different do two groups of people need to be in order to be separate races? There's no answer.

And I can accept that. But if that's the case, then I want to know why people are so fixating on race now a days. Why do SJWs push diversity as such a great thing that we need to study and celebrate? Shouldn't we instead study the ways that all people are the same? I'm getting mixed signals.
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>>61125938
>There are objective criteria for race determination without going so far as to examine the DNA. All you need to do is measure some bones.
That's my point. Race is perception. Someone can be a part of one race because they look/behave the part, but their biological factors (genes or bone size) tell you they are related to another set of humans.
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>>61126237
>It doesn't exist because it's not recognizable at the microscopic level!
Just stop
Race ≠ Species
Race = Breed

Suddenly race exists again.
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>>61128361
Breed === dog
Race === human

Chocolate ice cream === (brown) ice cream
Vanilla ice cream === (white) ice cream
Butter pecan ice cream === (yellow) ice cream (with nuts in it)

Race === superficial traits that can be arbitrarily overriden
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The sea is made of water
Firm ground is made of minerals

But there is minerals disolved in sea water
And there is moisture in the ground

At what hygrometry does mud fall in one or the other category? Hard to define? Is mud a sub category?

Therefore seas and land don't exist. They are social construct. hurr durr
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>>61126237
Maybe because scientific research regarding race and gender is banned by the PC overlords at universities?
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>>61114508
>he doesn't know that race is actually magic trickery
Get a load of this muggle
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>>61124301
Egyptians are Semitic, not even in the same racial group as Nubians. Though as East Africans they're really mixed.
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>>61117091
>Dogs were selectively bred by humans, that's why we call them breeds, and not races, and their genetic differences are quite a bit different because of human meddling

>Slave masters for hundreds of years bred slaves of all races.

>Royal families of all races fucked each other to keep wealth and power.

>"Human meddling"

Holy shit Canacuck, how can you humans influence dog breeding but not fucking humanity? Hahahahahah
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>>61129390
The problem with this notion is that it doesn't even attempt to view the matter according to Occam's razor.

We may as well be "covering-up" contact with alien life, visitors from the bowels of the hollow Earth, and flying spaghetti monster gods.

The problem is that anons like this...
>>61129990
...take superficial FEATURES as dogmatic denominators of race. As if an African mating with a Swede could produce anything BUT a human...?

But unfortunately we cling to misguided, romantic notions that have nothing to do with scientific writ. Biology seeks to prove that which can be duplicated under laboratory conditions within a degree of sigma or certainty.

I live in perpetual fear that America is going to shit because Americans simply REFUSE to accept actual science. They are more inspired by mindless, childish memes and will take some misquoted image macro as the gospel. It is no wonder America's lacking education system is the joke of the free world.
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>>61126237
>You can turn a pit bull into chihuahua! Their appearances are only superficial after all!
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>>61130516
Why not scroll up to see the genetic evidence posted proving that people from certain areas are more closely related than they are to people from other areas? You fucking moron. This is the basis of ethnicity, and ethnicities have physical traits in common. Call them 'superficial' all you want, they indicate it.
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>>61130523
You can mate two dogs and get another dog.

Fun Fact #1.) There is literally no such thing as a "purebred" dog or any sexually-reproducing animal, for that matter.

Fun Fact #2.) So-called "mutts" are actually biologically more robust and more fit for survival than their so called "purebred" counterparts.

Now I want you to really think about #2 for a moment...
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>>61130693
Good thing different races existing doesn't have to make any of them non-human, huh?
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>>61114508

>Race, as a social construct, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics.[1][2][3][4][5][6] First used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations, by the 17th century race began to refer to physical (i.e. phenotypical) traits. The term was often used in a general biological taxonomic sense,[7] starting from the 19th century, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.[8][9]


0/10 no bio teacher would ever say that
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>>61114508
>>Biology professor says race isn't biological

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(biology)

Oops
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>>61114508
>"race isn't biological"
>implying you can have children that are a different race than you or your partner
>"don't worry goy, your shitskin child has nothing to do with biology :^)"
Wow, fuck that kike.
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>>61130693

>dogs are domesticated from wolves
>certain breeds came about pairing up certain dogs to get specific features
>specific attributes trade off was a smaller gene pool, resulting in 'inbreeding'

It's the human equivalent to fucking your cousins. Races are far more robust
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>>61130731
I have no idea what you are saying but I'm sure you think you're brilliant for saying it.

>>61130923
I have to explain this to new students all the time. And so did my professors when I was in college.

>>61130996
It says right there in the very first paragraph:
>race...is an informal rank in the taxonomic hierarchy, below the level of subspecies; the term is recognized by some, but is no longer governed by any of the formal codes of biological nomenclature.

Holy shit, America is doomed...
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>>61130693

there are superior and inferior breeds of dogs. they are ranked on strength, intelligence, speed,loyalty, etc.
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>>61131277
Your supposed refutation of race as a concept is that 'raced can interbreed and are closely related'. That doesn't make races non-existent. It just means that all races qualify as human. Nobody with an ounce of knowledge is going to claim they're not all human, but again, just because they are human, doesn't mean they can't be divided into ethnicities and races.
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>>61131334
My sister-in-law thinks her toy poodle is superior to her husband's Doberman. How is this remotely scientific?

>>61131334
Biology === science.

There is no race in science.

There is: Taxonomy, anthropology, physiology, etc., that examines the morphology (superficial shape, size, color, etc.) of a given creature.

But no...there is no definition for race in science other than the "human race".
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>>61131622
I'm starting to doubt you teach anyone (except perhaps as an elementary school teacher) if you don't think scientists study ethnicities and their genetics, as much as they tip-toe to avoid using 'racist' language.
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>>61131622

>But no...there is no definition for race in science other than the "human race".

Humans are a species you ignorant fuck.
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>>61131394
I am not refuting race. It doesn't exist BIOLOGICALLY-speaking. There is nothing to refute, therefore the point is moot.

>>61131849
It was a highly obvious colloquialism, hence the quotes.

>SORRY TO BE HARSH, BUT...
Each of you poltroons have only to visit your respective schools and ask the biology teacher on-staff their position on race.

What could you possibly fear?

Meanwhile, saying race DOES NOT EXIST in the biological disciplines doesn't mean it "can't" exist as a human construct. But they are unfortunately mutually exclusive.
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>>61119133
>source?
Umm maybe high school biology? Humans of every race share at least 99.8% of DNA black or white
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>>61132249
>It doesn't exist BIOLOGICALLY-speaking
Ethnicities exist. This is commonly accepted. You may try to say 'white as a race doesn't exist!', but there are various ethnicity groups for the people of Europe, and they are recognized as people closely related. These closely related groups are more distantly related to other collections of closely related groups. This is all known and accepted. People fear to call these collections of ethnicities 'races' so they don't seem 'racist', but these collections exist regardless, and it is accepted they exist.
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>>61132516
Let me be even more pedantic: Taxonomy is a FEATURE of biology. However, it is not a branch of biology unto itself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology#Branches

ETHNICITY is not studied as a biological discipline! It just isn't!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

>WHY DO AMERICANS REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND THIS VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT?????
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>>61133106
Next you'll claim genetics aren't studied in biology. I'm laughing, really.

Are you using some kind of VPN? Are you a Canadian on a day trip? Your mentality isn't unknown in America, sure, but whining this much about Americans as a people indicate you see them as an 'other', and thus are some dirty foreigner.
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>>61133292
>I have no idea where you're going with this rebuttal
>I even gave you citations
>I can't =/=
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>>61133902
To say there is no biological basis to ethnicities is to say genetic studies are not under the purview of biology and do not indicate a genetic (ie biological) difference between populations.
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>>61128984
nice misunderstanding of the argument
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>>61117217
the Africans are better looking than the abbos
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>>61114508
It isn't.

This person is Jewish.
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>>61135307
and so is this person.
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>>61135449
this man is Jewish
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>>61135544
but so is this one
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>>61134087
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>>61135585
Pedo
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>>61120682
Tell me the genome of that person then.
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>FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, PEOPLE!!!

http://www.livescience.com/33903-difference-race-ethnicity.html

>Race is associated with biology, whereas ethnicity is associated with culture.

>In biology, races are genetically distinct populations within the same species; they typically have ****relatively minor**** morphological and genetic differences. Though all humans belong to the same species (Homo sapiens), and even to the same sub-species (Homo sapiens sapiens), there are ****small genetic variations across the globe**** that engender diverse physical appearances, such as variations in skin color.

This took me literally 5 seconds to find on Google. You have a fucking supercomputer in your pocket and can't in2science.

I've never met a more depressing bunch of nitwits in my entire life! Consider me on suicide watch. I'm going to go dump out all the liquor I have before I drink myself into a coma.
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>>61136212
>everybody has neanderthal admixture
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>>61114508
ITT: People who flunked out of high school biology.

Race is a pseudo science that was useful as a concept that arose from hundreds of years ago before we knew what genes were. You might be thinking "There's so many different BIOLOGICAL differences between race, why isn't it scientific?" Because those differences are all borrowed from other branches of science, sociology or biology.

IQ? Sociology. Haplogroups? Genetics. Phenotypic differences? Taxonomy. Race added these concepts to itself to try and justify it's existence. Race has zero predictive use.

Race is a also a pseudo science because it has no strict, empirically testable definition.
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>>61116496
Pedigree isn't a science. It's a mostly social thing, thoroughbreds aren't much different from regular dogs.
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>>61126237
>Molecular biologist reporting.
>First of all...
>>*sigh*

Ok smartass

>Secondly, traits among humans are purely superficial. All dogs no matter what breed are the same species. The same is for humans no matter what size, shape, or skin tone: We are all the same species.

Nobody says niggers are a different species unironically. But we are probably different subspecies.

>Superficial traits can be overridden: A "Pit Bull" Terrier, for example, can be made to be more docile and friendly, for example, given its environment despite its tendencies.

What do you mean "superficial traits"? Some traits are innate. Border collies are more intelligent than pit bulls, and pit bulls are more aggressive than border collies. You can maybe train a pit bull to be less aggressive, but don't come to me to cry when it starts chewing your infant son.

>There is literally NO scientific evidence of racial superiority among humans. Every time I ask someone here to cite direct, scientific evidence, Pro Tip: You can't. Go ahead and try, though, and good luck!

Racial superiority is a vague word. You have to define a metric, like IQ.

>Meanwhile, Intelligence Quotients aren't a SCIENTIFIC or even ACCURATE measure of human aptitude.

Now you are just shitposting

>You can measure precisely the speed of light in a vacuum or the amount of energy it takes to heat one cubic centimeter of water by 1 degree at sea level. You cannot precisely measure human aptitude.

High IQ is very prevalent among successful people. Coincidence?
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Does that mean I can think myself into a nigger?
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>>61136989
>2016
>not being a trans-nigger
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>>61136672
>Race has zero predictive use.

Tell me you are an australian behind a proxy
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>>61114508

Race: having a common ancestor

Biology professor: there is no such thing as having a common ancestor
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>>61136212
Where's the cutoff for the difference between race and sub-species? Why can't different races be described as different sub-species of Homo sapiens sapiens?

There are primates that are classified as different sub-species that are only genetically half as different from each other as Negroids are from Caucasoids. So why can those primates be described as two sub-species yet humanity can't?
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>>61116222
>racism is a fetish?
Last I checked being racist doesn't make anybody hard.
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>>61114681
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>>61136907
see
>>61136672

Based Singapore FTW.

>>61136907
>Don't even know where to start
>I can't =/=

>>61137349
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
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>>61131334
Yes, through loose correlation and an inability to identify what a breed specifically is. Sure you can identify a Shetland sheepdog from a doberman but what about one that looks a bit like both and not like any other dog? Then the concept of race cannot be applied to this dog.
Then there's the loose correlation. When people say this breed of dog is smarter, it's chit chat. They're smarter on average. That is to say, the concept of breed is an inaccurate one.
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I think this 'American' and this Singaporean is the same guy with his VPN off.
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Too many shills in this thread
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>>61137643
Hi Shlomo
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>>61137323
Take a stats class. Correlations that race has, 0.6, 0.5, 0.2, would get laughed out of any hard science. If someone told a chemist that he made a theory that could predict the chemical produced from a chemical reaction half of the time and demanded it be recognised, he would get acid thrown in his face.

Neither do statistics establish causality, which is what science is mostly concerned with. See correlation doesn't imply causation. You have to do controlled experiments to even properly establish correlation.
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>>61114681
Actual biologist here, my profs weren't full blown leftists and even went so far as to mention phenotypical differences in races.
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>>61137821
>can't argue
>muh proxies, shills and Jews
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>>61138202
Same. I have never taken a genetics class that tried to claim races didn't exist.

>>61138260
I argued with you earlier. You degraded to reaction images.
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>The tax exempt status of the Church should be revoked
The financial and economic bankruptcy needed to make this statement actually hurts me.
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>>61138139

Singapore, don't be autistic.
Tell me who is likely to be faster on the 100m:
a) a Jamaican
b) a Kenyan

The same could be said for a myriad of other traits
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>>61138296
There was a thread about this last night and we had a decent discussion.

I'm more inclined to define what we call "races" as sub-species as there really are significant differences in races. It's no different than dog breeds, for example. We all fit a different niche.
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>>61138479
Jamaican, obviously.
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>>61138492
I'm not sure myself, but that's more because what qualifies as a subspecies isn't solid in the first place. It seems to be more on the geneticist or taxonomist's whims than anything.
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>>61137337
they were iranian and slavs arent iranian
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>>61114508
>When will this PC ride end?
This year.
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>>61138611
>>Jamaican, obviously.

>B-but race doesn't exist.

>Muh correlation doesn't mean causation.

Jesus stemfags, get a grip
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>>61138479
How long is a rope? Insufficient information.
But I understand you're trying to make the point Olympian sprinters are almost always black. Which is my point. Race is useful in very small situations, even then it's no 100% accurate. It meets the standards of layman's accuracy but not science.
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>>61138635
I'm fairly confident that the human genome differs significantly between "races". I'm open to being proven wrong, of course.
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>>61138841
I said Jamaican because, literally, the fastest man in the world is Jamaican...
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>>61137337
And how far shall we go back? We're all from Africa. Are we all the same race? Go back even further, to mammals that survived the meteor that struck the earth. Are all mammals a race? Or to the first organisms, are all living things a race?

You'd have to specify, like common ancestor 10,000 years ago or 1,000 years ago. Then, you'd just have your definition. Race would still be shit at predicting things.
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>>61138993
The reason we call them "races" and not subspecies or breeds is to not hurt feelings.
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>>61114681
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>>61114508
Once you graduate. Professors and "scholars" live in a fantasy land, sheltered and protected from the big bad free market world.
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>>61138635
we arent a subspecies but hybrid offshoot with neaderthals and modern humans. Difference is that pure subsaharan negroids have zero trace of neanderthal.
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>>61139105
It honestly depends on the school.

I went to a small, now growing, research/business/law school and none of my natural science profs were in any way left-leaning. And if they were they never let on and spoke mostly the truth of the science.
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>>61138202
Phenotypical differences imply genotypical differences, but not necessarily the other way around. They were throwing an implicit red pill.
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>>61138847
>Race is useful in very small situations,

And very big situations, that's why you don't hire somalians very often

>even then it's no 100% accurate. It meets the standards of layman's accuracy but not science.

Being right 90% of the time beats being right 0% of the time. Do you understand this simple concept? Good.
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>>61139261
You're right, and that's why I loved my education.

While biology as a major is essentially useless unless you're heading into PhD, it is a major redpill
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>>61139294
I wouldn't hire Somalians because they're halfway across the world.

>90% is better than 0%
Which is another reason why race is a bad concept. It just borrows from other fields. Why 90% when you can administer an IQ test and get a 100%? Why not hire niggers when you can just look at their criminal history?
It's an outdated concept like being cold makes you cold or sickness is caused by bad air.
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>>61139375
A light amount of biology is sufficient to construct philosophical arguments in regards to epistemology and metaphysics, specifically ontology. That shit is a red pill. The biology itself is meh. I don't care to memorize 1000 latin names.
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There is no formal instrument or classification for "race" in pure biology. The term is colloquial at best. I can see where a geneticist might concern his or her self with arbitrary features. Shit, I'm on the molecular/chemical side of the discipline and we are equally concerned with characteristic features. But I see a tree as a tree; because an atom is an atom and a chemical bond is a chemical bond and so on until you get a tree. A tree is plant. I'm not going to argue fern over birch.

But seriously, anyone here who claims to practice biology and by their own volition swears by some equally superfluous political alignment, i.e.; "left" vs "right", please tell me why there are no formally-recognized papers harkening significant findings in race research? And before you start crying "conspiracy", you know good and damn well any Republican OR Democrat would throw money at you if you could conclusively prove race as anything more than just an arbitrary swath of traits.

So let me ask you this: A mixed-race black child is born to a sub-Saharan African and a Swede. The child then lives in Sweden with his biological father. Will that child be more likely to show characteristics of robust resistance to cold? And what if it were the other way around? If the child had stayed in Africa, would it be less inclined to adapt to the colder climates? YOU CANNOT SAY THIS CONCLUSIVELY!!!! It lends no merit to the art.

>>61138847
This.
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>>61138993
>And how far shall we go back?

Traits.

You would intuitively, instinctively know that a Congon ese African in a Scythian tribe is not of the same race, if you saw one there.

Leave the intellectual bullshit behind and use common fucking sense. You are out-thinking reality.
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>>61139633
Even 'intellectual bullshit' supports the idea that races exist if you're not tying yourself into knots to try and deny humans are different like that anon is.
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>>61139507
>I wouldn't hire Somalians because they're halfway across the world.

You are very lucky

>>90% is better than 0%
>Which is another reason why race is a bad concept. It just borrows from other fields. Why 90% when you can administer an IQ test and get a 100%?

Do you know that administering IQ test to hire people is illegal in may places, just because niggers score very low?

>Why not hire niggers when you can just look at their criminal history?

Autism everyone
>It's an outdated concept like being cold makes you cold or sickness is caused by bad air.
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>>61139590
How the fuck are swedes resistent to the cold fuckboi?
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>>61125677
Race science was completely legitimate until after WW2. The one and only reason it got shunned was because of how the Nazis used it. Do you think that it miraculously became illegitimate over night and for no reason? No. It got immediately lumped into the category of Nazi Science by the Frankfurt School proponents and thus became a pariah.

Also, Richard Lewontin completely discredited the entire "race is a social construct" by making an ass of himself in the 70's. He's a tenured professor from Harvard. Still didn't change the fact the he was completely wrong and tried to politicize science because he was an outspoken and self-described Marxist.
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This thread reinforces my opinion that people who study biology are people who wanted to do STEM but aren't smart enough to pass calculus
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>>61139955
But anon, most of us aren't retarded. It's just that Singaporean goober with a VPN.
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>>61139998
>But anon, most of us aren't retarded.

I hope. But I also had live encounters and I was not impressed.
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>>61139836
>Implying parts of Sweden don't get cold winters
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>>61140091
Also, my school forced me to take two calculus courses. Not exactly relevant, but hey.
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>>61139590
>prove race as anything more than just an arbitrary swath of traits.
This is what race realists argue for. Whether you call it a race or a population or a subspecies is irrelevant to the implications of this fact. Thank heavens you are just retarded.
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>>61117799
What the fuck is this chart even saying? who wrote it?

>PC1 (78.7%)
>PC 2 (10.4%)

850 individuals

coloured dots.
Kill yourself
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>>61140176
>Also, my school forced me to take two calculus courses. Not exactly relevant, but hey.

Good. Where I live biology is mostly women who want to wear a cute white labcoat.
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>>61140361
>coloured
kek
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>>61140225
>This is what race realists argue for
What can you tell me conclusively about a person with black skin vs a person with "white" skin.

Oh wait...let you look at the bones. Maybe the bones hold more evidence...

See this skull feature here? Yeah...that's a black dude, all right!

NO KIDDING? Did you see his skin before you started cutting him open?

Now, without a microscope, tell me what part of the world this dissected negroid comes from, and why his traits are important to his survival. And while you're doing that, please explain why the whites living in that same region didn't start spuriously having black children...i.e.; darker and darker skin, since resistance to the sun was so important to the negroid fellow. Surely locked-away in their genes is the ability to jump-start melanin production...?
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>>61140798
There is absolutely no way you have any biology background when you're here trying to disprove race with Lamarckian evolution. I mean, holy fucking shit, do you have any idea how long ago that was discredited? Is that shit still taught in Singapore?
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Why are you ignorant motherfuckers ignoring neanderthal mixing? We are literally a different fucking animal.
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>>61140966
I want you to tell me conclusively AT THE GENETIC LEVEL what traits determine an "ideal" human. Let's see who should be questioning who's background.
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>>61141109
Who the fuck was ever arguing about an ideal?
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>>61141109
>I want you to tell me conclusively AT THE GENETIC LEVEL what traits determine an "ideal" human.

We are arguing that different human populations have different innate traits. Now fuck off
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>>61141232
>>61141409
Fuck it. I'll give you TWO:

>Resistance to disease
>Fertility
>(Joke in there somewhere, but I digress)

Sheesh! How hard was that?

Now let me ask you this: Again, GENETICALLY-SPEAKING, where does race play a role in these two enormously desirable traits? Fucking biology 101.

If you can't answer that in one paragraph then you have to admit that race is purely superficial.
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>>61141629
>sickle cell bitch
Dude fucking neanderthals
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>>61141629
>Superficial
Nobody arguing with you is trying to claim one race is better than another. Whether or not you regard differences in physical appearance as superficial, they fucking exist, and they differ between races.

I'm not even fucking white, my dad was a goddamn taco, so stop being so insecure like you think the big bad white man is saying he's better than you.

Also you know sickle cell is an African adaptation to combat malaria, right?
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>>61141629
>>Resistance to disease

Sickle cell anemia

>>Fertility

Black people have a higher incidence of twin birth than white and the people with the lowest are asians.
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>>61141109
>>61141629
>I want you to tell me conclusively AT THE GENETIC LEVEL what traits determine an "ideal" human
>Resistance to disease
>Fertility
These are only necessary conditions for an ideal organism. With the capabilities that humans have, their are other desirable traits especially when their is competition between these population groups that threatens their survival and reproduction. Also, resistance to disease is only an instance of survival which is the more fundamental necessity of an organism. Just as fertility is an instance of reproduction, it is not sufficient for reproduction, as that requires sex drive, and survival, etc...
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Race is a human construct and you're daft to believe otherwise.
It's a word made by humans because they saw there are vast differences between people of different ethnicity.
So yeah, it is a social construct.
But it's based on real observations, so there is some (if not a lot) of truth in some racial (cultural) stereotypes.
But instead of taking this into account, the establishment chooses to basically lie to people that every culture follows the same ethics, morals, basic human rights as the "west" does.
This is why we have allowed people to freely pass our """"""borders""""""" under the guise of altruism.
We simply do not understand that other cultures don't follow the same principles as we do
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>>61141746
Theory. I asked for conclusive.

>>61141764
Answer the question like a biologist, not a philosopher. That should be easy.

>61142114
>On sickle-cell anemia
I'll wait for anon's answer above before I take this argument apart.
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>>61142434
Your question is inherently misrepresenting your oppositions opinion. It's a dishonest and leading question. You say I answered like a philosopher, but you're arguing like a politician.
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