Are Bernie Sanders supporters stupid or delusional?

>>61098534
Both

Yes, but so are Trump and Hillary supporters.

Trump - blowhard idiot that attacks others and his idiotic fanbase eats it up because they are simpletons. Talks too much but says nothing. Lies or exaggerates. Small words and big promises.

Hillary - woman.

Bernie - kike.

Election sucks and I'm voting for Johnson.

>>61100145
>Trump-idiot
156 IQ says differently. Try again, Reddit.
>Lies
Name one lie. Guarantee I'll BTFO of you for it. Try again, Reddit.

>>61100237

IQ is quite literally used to measure children's intelligence.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

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>>61100876
>politifact

literally a website funded by hillary

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>>61100876
>politifact
>trump has made less than 100 statements

hes been campaigning for months, and they've added such few statements. almost like they're only putting up the ones they can call false

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>voting for Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAT_BuJAI70

>>61098534
Delusional.

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>>61101059
>tfw cbc tries to stump Trump by citing politifact

>>61100145
>Trump attacks other so his idiotic fanbase idiots eat it up.

HAHAHAHAHA

>>61100145
This election might be HUGELY important for SOTUS nominations. You sound completely oblivious to this fact.

>>61102035
*SCOTUS - the supreme court

A combination of both. Probably from all of the drugs they do.

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>>61098534
At least delusional.
it is too late for anything....

you could have prevented it

>>61098534
How are Trump and Sanders so fucking stupid? Their only chances comes from getting each others electorate, and all they do is shoot each others, making them look fucking antipathic for beinga dick to their elector's 2nd favourite.

>>61103119

>France

Why aren't you getting killed by a refugee right now?

>>61098534
Bernie is supported by a bunch of NEETs most of which won't bother to vote.

Trump on the other hand is going to get people who haven't voted but have been eligible to for 16+ years out in droves.

>>61100145

Pedro build wall now

>>61098534
Lol he never tweeted that

>>61102306
>lolbertarians constantly preach about the free market
>Complain about a businessman who is only using his own personal money he earned of the free market to run

Typical lolbertarians. They like freedom, the free market, and democracy until people use their rights, money, and votes to disagree with them.

>>61098534
>stupid or delusional?

I've often wondered the same thing about Trump supporters believing Mexico will pay for a wall.

>>61103898
>implying they have a choice

>>61103898
They will if they don't want a 35% tariff.

And if they choose the tariff, we get the money for the wall anyway through the tariff.

And if they don't trade because of the tariff, their economy tanks even harder than it already does.

>>61103898
couldn't give a shit about the wall really, I just want the muzzies out..

trump thinks vaccines cause autism and that global warming is a conspiracy

retarded doesn't even begin to cover him

but cuckservatives will stay in their denial bubbles

>>61102306

Who designed that logo? It looks like a fucking basketball team.

>>61105705
He said pumping dozens of vaccines in your body in a short amount of time causes autism, and every doctor agrees.

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>>61100876
>politifact

>>61105705
Prove global warming tho senpai.

>>61098534

Mostly ignorant to the rest of the world.

Socialism has been attempted dozens of times and millions of lives have been lost trying to force it to work.

That's a lot of work for inviting poverty onto your fellow citizens.

>>61105950
I don't have to. The preponderance of evidence and 97% of scientists are on my side.

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>>61098534
Both

>>61105907
[citation needed]

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>>61105907
>He said pumping dozens of vaccines in your body in a short amount of time causes autism, and every doctor agrees.

no they don't

>>61105950
k

>>61106070
No but prove it though.

>>61103898
you realize we're in a position of power with them, and its as easy as giving them less money?

>>61105705
global warming/climate change is a natural phenomenon and humans have a marginal effect on it. global warming the way liberals talk about it is complete BS at best

>>61106192
>give them less money so they will give us more money
trump supporters

>>61106157
Don't zoom out on that graph too much.

No doctor will recommend a large amount of vaccines in a short time.

>>61106234
nah

>>61106234
dude but all of these leftist scientists say that is BS SO IT MUST MEAN YOU ARE WRONG SUCK IT CONSERVATARD XDDD

>>61100145
I'd be there with you, but you really should just fall in line on this one.
The Justices are getting replaced, and we need a conservative in the White House to select them. It's time to rally behind the best we can get.

>>61098534

Fake and gay.

>>61100876

>Adult IQ

>Even when controlling for confounding variables such as income and education, is a very good indicator of future income, predisposition toward violent crime, effectiveness within a given field of occupation, and academic metrics from ACT and SAT scores to GRE to GPA to college placement to graduation

>Only used for children

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>>61098534
Yes, it's the Bernie supporters that are stupid.

TOP KEK

>>61106284
you realize that zooming out makes the effect seem less dramatic, not more, right?
>trump supporters

and doctors don't recommend that, but it's not because of autism like retardo trump believes

>>61106157
that chart is H I L A R I O U S L Y fraudulent.

'global warming' is a myth. humans have nothing to do with climate change. it actually appears the planet is cooling.

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>>61102306
>losertarians

>Trumpfags
>Twitter pic

errytime

>>61106455
>that chart is H I L A R I O U S L Y fraudulent.
>now if you'll excuse me i'll just not say why because I'm a stupid cuckservative
>please ignore me and stop fucking my loose asshole with logic

>>61106262

your IQ probably hovers around 70.

we give them less money, and use that money to build the wall. or they give us money and we build the wall. the wall comes out of their ass in any case.

>>61106561
>trump supporters believe this will work

>>61106070
Prove that then. Cite the 97% please.

>>61106443
It's because of autism lol.

And zooming out shows earth heating hotter than it is now, and also cooling. If I recall, the earths heating has slowed down.

They are misguided. They want to do good so they follow whatever the "good" is nowadays

>>61106559
>ad hominem because I'm full of shit

Lol f.am

>>61105705
The bait and switch isn't going to work. Your handlers are not getting their money's worth.

You aren't clever, and it's extremely opaque what the RNC is doing.

>>61106621
>It's because of autism lol.

nope

the earth isn't cooling, you're just indoctrinated by cruz's stupid "1998 wasn't an anomalous year at all" graph

>>61098534
Best part is most of them will google McGovern after reading it.

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>>61100876
>politifact

>>61106173
>Muh 97% of science.

They can't prove anything. As soon as they start saying 'they don't have' to you already know they're talking out of their ass.

>>61106608
what... mathematics? lol

>>61103898

>neighbor's dog tears up your lawn and shits everywhere
>it's crazy to get them to build a fence

Underaged >>>/out/

>>61106665
>still no proof as to why the chart is bad
cuckservatives, everyone
>>61106692
>opaque
don't use words you don't understand

>>61098534
>or

>>61106262
Basically what will happen is that if Mexico doesn't want to do it, we take the money that would have gone to Mexico and build wall ourselves instead. Basically, we take the money that would have gone to Mexico in trade and charity, and we tell them that it's not happening this year, the money is either going to be given to their builders or ours, and its their choice.

>>61100145
>Johnson
Gary is running again?! He was my vote the last time. A real American hero

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>>61100876
>Politifact

>>61106713
> You're just indoctrinated to not believe something that literally can't be proven

>>61106853
>>61106782
>trump supporters are literal extortionists

>>61106925
>can't be proven
here you go: >>61106157
>trump supporters in charge of reading

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>>61100876
>ever using politifact as a source for anything

>>61106926
> demanding something in exchange for previously free money is extortion

Top
Fucking
Kek

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>>61106926

>knowing what extortion is

>>61100145
/thread

>>61106998
>"do this or else" isn't extortion
these are the mental gymnastics of trump supporters

>>61106981
And you ignored my response with a "no"

> you
> winning a debate

Pick one at any point.

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>>61100876

Politifact - where Bernie's grand daughter is the deputy editor.

>>61106853
i just fucking realize that the kind of person that wouldn't vote for trump is literally not smart enough to comprehend how a deal like this works.

>>61106926

extortion? first of all, they owe us - because their incompetence has become OUR problem. so they should help clean their mess up.

second of all, so fucking what if it was extortion? so fucking what if we exterminated them? are you worried about being nice? huh? is that what you want? 'to be nice'? to be liked? or do you want to win, and get the upper hand? what the fuck does 'being nice' have to do with reality that is international politics - and the future of OUR people? are you going to betray YOUR friends and family - just to be nicer for a bunch of people that mean nothing to you and to whom you mean nothing either?

america must act in our OWN best interest.

>>61107096
>my response
that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

>>61107095
>Give me something in exchange for this money

??

>>61107135
>second of all, so fucking what if it was extortion? so fucking what if we exterminated them?
these are actual trump supporters

>>61107142
On mobile, but there are limitless resources on the internet to show extended heating and cooling cycles.

>>61100145
>literally half the SCOTUS is going to need to be replaced during the next President's term
>let's allow the possibility of a dumb liberal being President
Not this time.

>>61107145
you know that when Darth Vader says "I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it further," he's being a villain, right?

>>61107234
all of which are accounted for by climate change scientists

>>61107186
and what is your point? do you want to be strong, or do you want to be weak? to rule, or to be ruled? to enslave and conquer, or to be conquered and enslaved?

the choice is yours, but beware, the other side IS going to fight you. who are you siding with?

>>61107270
We do what we need to in order to make things better for our citizens. Who's going to punish us? Liberals like you cannot think outside the paradigm of children and punishment from parents/authority figures.

>>61107362
>and what is your point? do you want to be strong, or do you want to be weak? to rule, or to be ruled? to enslave and conquer, or to be conquered and enslaved?
trump supporters literally say this

>>61100145
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/137284721621/the-candidate-supporter-stereotypes-master

>>61100876
>politifact
How can something be true to a certain degree, its either true or false.

>>61107416
>lets allow ourselves to be raped by radical islamists
>not giving handouts to lazy crackheads is racism

Bernie supporters in a nutshell.

>>61107399
>I actually want America to be the bad guys of the world

amazing

>>61107416

Are you admitting that you want to be weak? That's fine we can't all be leaders but why don't you go ahead and not vote. Your opinion is irrelevant.

>>61107325
Scientists who are funded to find affirming data.

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Bernie may sound stupid on tax issues but he is right about climate change and his proposals to combat it would be great for US economy. repairing old Infrastructure and rail roads, new jobs on alternative energy shit and more smart approach to gas. He is also against wars with Iran and doesn't support Israel when it come to Palestine. I'd vote for him if i were an American. The most stupid decisions he wouldn't be able to make because his advisors would stop him and congress would block him.

>>61107506
>I have no counterargument, so I must construct insane arguments that are easy to refute
trump supporters don't even live in reality

>>61107325

i thought it was global warming? wait, that stance became untenable a while back.

anyways, SO FUCKING WHAT if climate change is real? i don't think it is. but even if it were - it would be good for america. it wouldn't really hurt us, but it would hurt many other people very badly and they would be in our power.

>>61107416
is your sole mode of argumentation, this slimy, "point out that he just said what he just said, with the implicit begging for agreement from others in that what was said was wrong, without being able or willing to point out what was specifically wrong about it and support the premises that underly the reasoning?"

>>61107512
> implying we aren't

> here's this free money
> here's some more free money
> We won't give you any more free money unless you do this thing for us

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>>61098534
yes, Bernie supporters are really just stupid people.

>>61107595

Says the guy with no counter argument. You really are clueless, huh?

>>61107515
>Are you admitting that you want to be weak?
diplomacy is not weakness. you'd learn this if you matured past a five year old mindset

>>61107526
hanlon's razor

>>61107566

why would we resist climate change?

its not going to extinct humans. its just going to kill off the weakest and poorest. climate change is a great opportunity for america.

>>61107526
and who has more money to spend on corrupt scientists than big oil companies who are intrested in debanking climate change issue that is damaging their pocket?

>>61100145
Trump may say a lot of things but it is relevant to his policies, politicians are the best at speaking but saying nothing.

>>61107683
That's not Hanlons razor when you literally cannot prove human pollution causes global warming when looking in the scope of earths history.

>>61107729
"big" oil companies are owned by the savage governments who hold life and death power over them. 'big' oil companies are nothing compared to the international banks and their globalist agenda.

again, climate change is an issue... why? who is climate change actually a problem for? not us.

>>61107622
>i thought it was global warming? wait, that stance became untenable a while back.
no, it became climate change because retards like you go IT'S SNOWING SO MUCH FOR A WARM GLOBE AMIRITE

>anyways, SO FUCKING WHAT if climate change is real?

ooh, backpedaling

> but even if it were - it would be good for america.

ooh, moving the goalposts

>it wouldn't really hurt us, but it would hurt many other people very badly and they would be in our power.
yeah dude not like we have two giant coasts to deal with or a populace to feed or anything

>is your sole mode of argumentation, this slimy, "point out that he just said what he just said, with the implicit begging for agreement from others in that what was said was wrong, without being able or willing to point out what was specifically wrong about it and support the premises that underly the reasoning?"

is your sole mode of argumentation "let's actually just kill people without remorse"?

>>61107633
>again, trump supporters literally want us to be the bad guys

>>61107680
>I got called out on my bullshit so I'll just say the thing he said and hope that covers it

>>61102306
Looks like she is holding a Big Mac

>>61107924
When have we been the good guys in the last 50 years?

>>61107878
but it is

you believe in a conspiracy where there is none

>>61107881
>"big" oil companies are owned by the savage governments who hold life and death power over them.
actual delusion from trump supporters here

>>61105705
sanders is anti-gmo and anti-nuclear
he's also cut funding for nasa in favour of aids research

fuckin reddit go home with your talk about 'denial' bubbles

>>61107999
rarely if ever

but I guess you look back on that and say "yeah that was good" instead of "maybe we should try to be better."

trump supporters

>>61108007
> no I'm right
> still can't prove it

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>>61106753
Literally the only thing you need to know about "climate scientists" is that they have been masterbating about the end of the earth in man made climate change every 10-20 years since the late 60's and none of it has happened as their models predict. Not even close. They have been wrong time and time again and people do not seem to remember it.
There entire claim is based of climate models not empirical evidence and their models have never been right.

global warming doesn't have to be 'real' for it to be used to push an agenda. Good job being suckers for the divide and rule rather than talking about the part of it that matters

>>61108053
>perfect solution fallacy
still puts him leagues ahead of trump

>>61098534
Please tell me this is fake

>>61108096
prove what? I've proven all the statements I've made

>>61108007
Leftists believe race is an optical illusion and that divergent evolution doesn't apply to humans because we're super speshul and muh human rights n sheeit.

I think that's a lot fucking worse than not believing in global warming.

>>61108075
Who is going to have a better policy then? Hillary? Sanders? Obama fucking ruined relations with Russia when NSA shit leaked.

>>61108179
You haven't proved, undoubtedly, that global warming is human caused.

>>61100145
Name even just one lie Trump has ever told

>>61108191
race is only a heuristic, same as any biological taxonomy system used before the advent of genetics. it is not genetically defined.

now give me your phrenology meme pictures

>>61108149
the perfect solution is gary johnson family

you have a very personal definition of 'leagues'. Nuclear power is the only feasible competitor when things like coal exist. Bernie has even brought up the carbon tax. In terms of the environment, denouncing nuclear as 'unsafe' is a one way ticket to fucking your country over and removing the only reasonable alternative.

>>61108244
see: >>61106157

>>61107924
i won't deal with you on levels you're not capable of thinking at then.

'bad guys'. there are no good guys. there are no bad guys. there are only victors and the dead. international politics is just evolution. survival of the fittest. if you do not have the will to conquer- you WILL be conquered. the rising third world will NOT share your oh so kind hearted and noble aspirations of a happy peaceful world of everyone getting along. they will cut our throats. this is the way it has always been and always will be. i do not speak to you, who are beyond the reach of reason. i speak to those who might be listening. who do not wish to be exterminated. listen to the voice of reason. realize that reality, the real world, is not a kindergarten classroom. it is a jungle. it is a closed environment of competition for limited resources and living creatures killing and eating each other.

you choose to fight and live or meekly die.

>>61108284
>race
>not genetically defined

excuse me?
the finer terminology isn't worth fussing over anyway. Equality is the false god of the left.

>>61108370
>the perfect solution is gary johnson family
but not really though

>you have a very personal definition of 'leagues'.

fine, miles ahead of trump, then

>>61108410
Still not in the scope of earths history.

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>>61098534
Brainwashed, so delusional. Their intellectual credibility and historical know-how is zero. One only has to peek into a textbook about the Bolshevik revolution to see the horrors organically permeated into Marxian socialism. Bureaucracy, red tape, centralization. They are savagely misguided. Also, this delusion that Lenin would have great, Stalin ruined, ridiculous fantasy.

This is a failure of our hijacked school system. The disasters of Marxian socialism are innate and intractable.

>>61108501
>fine, miles ahead of trump, then
in what way that matters?

also
>miles
thanks for the kek usa

>>61108427
trump supporters LITERALLY think like this and wonder why people think they are insane

>>61108481
show me the race gene, please

>>61108513
>I literally won't understand climate change until I see graphs from the big bang

nasa should hire you

>>61108571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs

4u my man

>>61108621
>in what way that matters?

the economy, foreign policy, and social issues to start

>thanks for the kek usa

nothing is as kekworthy as a canadian supporting trump

>>61108676
>show me the race gene, please
how can you seriously ask a question like this coming from the stance of 'knowing more about genetics'

>>61108676
No I won't believe global warming when it can't be proven even 3000 years out.

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>>61106401
Yes it is

>>61108571

its going to come to violence. look at the things these people think. there is no way to change their mind and we're liable to kill ourselves trying.

they won't listen to us and we believe opposite of them. if we let them continue ignoring us, we will all die. we have to kill the leftists. there is no choice. failing to do so is the same as committing suicide.

>>61108676
trollbaiter.

>>61098534
yes

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>>61108284
>meme pictures
>if you don't have any evidence just call your opponents evidence a meme
I can see why this caught on among lefties.

>>61098534
Does Bernie win if the market collapses?

>>61100145
Rand Paul exists...

>>61108766
you completely missed the point. it wasn't a serious question.

there is no "race" gene. "race" is a collection of genes that are common along a population of individuals, categorized primarily by skin color and other morphological features, which sounds all well and good until you realize that "race" does not sufficiently describe the genetic diversity of humanity, especially of the africans, who are the most genetically diverse population on the planet.

but it's convenient as a way for you to hate blacks without thinking that your feelings come from bigotry and not science

>>61108775
then you lack a basic understanding of physics

>>61108899
>literally thinks phrenology is real science
cuckservatives, everyone

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>>61108676
>show me the race gene
There are a ton of different genes between a Caucasoid and a Negroid or Mongoloid.
Is this the continuum fallacy your using? "race mixes exist therefore race doesn't"?

>>61109004
you can argue that one set of genes is worse than another set of genes when given an objective task.

no matter how you look at it, niggers dont compare in many areas to other races.

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>>61109083
Typical leftists denying reality

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>>61100145
>hillary
>gentile

>>61109083
> global warming
> physics

My sides. Are you even old enough to vote this election cycle?

>>61108751
I don't support trump you goofball, I just dislike sanders. I'd vote for rand or gary johnson, but trump over sanders or shillary.


>the economy, foreign policy, and social issues to start

nice list of nothing in particular

socialists wouldn't be socialists if they understood anything about economics. Sanders has struggled with econ101 material on twitter before, namely the loans situation.

"The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive." - Thomas Sowell

this is why support for the left is alive thanks to the subversion of academia, in the gov and in children.

I find it funny that sanders supporters know the msm is deceitful when it talks negatively about sanders, but actually believe everything it has to say about trump without a second thought.

>>61108783
>this is bernie's teriortory

>>61102306
(read: they are all kikes)

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>>61109288

>>61109108
the so-called "negroid" race contains more genetic diversity than the caucasoid or the mongoloid

>>61099851
/thread

>>61108676
>show me the race gene, please

Race is phylogenetic concordance. Why would you assume there's a "race gene"? There's no "Asian Tiger" or "Indian Elephant" gene either, you stupid fucking liberal faggot.

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>>61109363
Holy fucking shit

>>61109121
>but it's convenient as a way for you to hate blacks without thinking that your feelings come from bigotry and not science

>muh socialization isn't real

>>61109387
Yeah sub sharia has hundreds of ethnicities I fail to see how the supports your argument

>>61106157
Why did CO2 stay steady from 1940-1980 during the economic boom? 1930-1940 was a period of global economic decline, why did it rise so much during that time? Why did is start to rise again around 1980, when the economy started to slow?

What altitude are these readings taken from? CO2 weighs more than air, so it doesn't stay in the upper atmosphere (where it could cause warming) for long.

And why do spikes in the global temperature (seen clearly around ~1895 and 1935) appear to LEAD and not FOLLOW major spikes in CO2?

>>61109466
species is also not a rigid divider, but instead a convenient taxonomic heuristic

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>but it's convenient as a way for you to hate blacks
actually you're the first one to have brought any kind of prejudice into this situation, and that was pretty viscous.

don't play the culture card. not all humans are equal.

source on image
https://jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/

https://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?q=race+and+IQ&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjmfbu66zKAhXDqB4KHZKSADQQgQMIGTAA

but congrats on being a pawn with your knowledge of critical theory. It exists only to politicize the facts.

>>61109512
>Muh blacks are the same as you and me
Lol

>>61109512
this isn't an argument bud.

how about you argue against the fact that given a persons skin color, the probability of that person being/doing certain things will CHANGE.

P(IQ > 100 | skin = white) >> P(IQ > 100 | skin = black)

>>61109004
>categorized primarily by skin color and other morphological features
>divergent evolution just magically stops at aspects of phenotype that sit comfortably with my political orthodoxy

LOL.

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>>61101275
>almost like they're only putting up the ones they can call false

>>61098534

The ones that were just stupid eventually realized that the Democrats intend to destroy the USA. The only ones left voting D now are as delusional as the inhabitants of Jonestown, and are more likely to vote Sanders than Hillary.

>>61109512
>and not science

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21826061

You don't even want to get started on a race and genetics debate on /pol/ mate. There's a reason libs stop pushing that pseudoscientific human creationism shit here years ago.

>>61109714
>human creationism
lel I love this term.

ill start using it against the liberals since I know they're fedora faggots who hate to be compared to religion in any way.

>>61109594
>rigid

No shit. This is the textbook definition of a continuum fallacy. Nothing in genetics is "rigid", that doesn't mean discrete groups don't exist.

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>>61109637
that's what socialization is.

http://www.xavier.edu/mfi/documents/Steele_Claude_M.Stere.Thrt.inAfrican.Am.Tst.Perfm.1995.pdf

>>61109639
>everyone with slightly different genes is a different race
LOL

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>>61109387
>the so-called "negroid" race contains more genetic diversity than the caucasoid or the mongoloid
Okay, so you accept that race does exist, except you think negroid can be made into more categorizations.

>>61109387
So?

>>61109863
So you are seriously going to argue that evolution stops at the neckdown? You are asserting that race is only skull shapes and skin color?

>>61109863
>everyone with slightly different genes is a different race

Who said that? It's a strawman.

Race isn't skin color, it's phylogenetic concordance.

The idea it boils down purely to skin color is a red herring. Black people differ from others in ways far more pronounced than mere skin color, as their assessed genetic distance from other putative groups shows on metrics like the fixation index.

>>61109714
LEL no

http://www.xavier.edu/mfi/documents/Steele_Claude_M.Stere.Thrt.inAfrican.Am.Tst.Perfm.1995.pdf

>>61109847
the groups are only as discrete as you make them, though

you just choose to put them on skin color lines so that you can hate freely

>>61109876
>>61109899
no, race is an arbitrary measure

>>61109863
>that's what socialization is.
sorry but that is not socialization, its applied statistics.

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>>61100876
>Mexican Intellectuals

>>61109387
Which makes perfect sense seeing as Africa is the point of origin for the species. The migrations which led to the Autroloid group and the Caucasoid/Mongoloid group would have almost certainly been a small group leaving the larger population behind. A migration is inherently a genetic bottleneck. I don't see what point you're trying to make.

>>61110007
>So you are seriously going to argue that evolution stops at the neckdown?
nope, that's your deflection

> You are asserting that race is only skull shapes and skin color?

race is whatever designation you want since it's arbitrary

you're excluding data based on the model, not shaping the model based on data

>>61110044
>Race isn't skin color, it's phylogenetic concordance.

and how tightly we constrain that concordance is arbitrary

>>61110063
>the groups are only as discrete as you make them, though

No they aren't. Learn to genetic clustering. There's no situation when using PCA that Australoids cluster together with West Africans for example, it just doesn't happen.

>no, race is an arbitrary measure

No it isn't, if it were purely arbitrary then why does principal component analysis in population genetics show clustering around traditional racial groups as identified by physical anthropologists in the 19th century?

>>61110063
Once again forensic anthropologists can and do tell the race of a person by their bones and skull shape, shouting muh skin color just reveals you for the tard you are

>>61110063
>no, race is an arbitrary measure
>you just choose to put them on skin color lines so that you can hate freely

._.

it's more than skin colour. 'race' may not be the right word, fine, but that's all your argument is. Semantics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)
'ancestry' covers it a little bit better if that'll make you happy. Which is what this discussion is about.

>>61110082
right and statistically, when you remove socialization, test score differences between blacks and whites disappear

but you just ignored the graph so whatever

>>61109863
>http://www.xavier.edu/mfi/documents/Steele_Claude_M.Stere.Thrt.inAfrican.Am.Tst.Perfm.1995.pdf

>niggers perform better on non-diagnostic tests
translation
>niggers perform better when we arent able to determine if they're retarded or not

nice try retard.

>>61110063
>race is an arbitrary measure
If it's so arbitrary then how did you know "negroid has more genetic diversity than Caucasoid and mongoloids".
If the terms are meaningless how can you make such a defined statement?

>>61109186
She really never was attractive. Huh.

>>61106157
>Planet that has existed for roughly 4 billion years with weather trends sometimes at 20,000 year cycles
>Post chart showing past 135 years

Loving every laugh

>>61110204
>arbitrary
>Based entirely on the genetics of your ancestors

>>61110302
that's not what the graph says so try again.

even if it somehow did say that, the study does not reflect reality when blacks cant even graduate high school despite having loads of affirmative action advantages.

>>61110063
Regarding stereotype threat, see:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14736315

> "[R]ather than showing that eliminating threat eliminates the large score gap on standardized tests, the research actually shows something very different. Specifically, absent stereotype threat, the African American–White difference is just what one would expect based on the African American–White difference in SAT scores, whereas in the presence of stereotype threat, the difference is larger than would be expected based on the difference in SAT scores."

In other words, Steele only showed he could persuade black students to do worse than they did on the SAT. He did not show he could make black Stanford students score better than they had on the Verbal SAT - which was about a half-standard deviation below the white Stanford students in the study.

>>61110063
>no, race is an arbitrary measure
Most biological distinctions are. Hell even the boundries between species can be muddy; there's a population of bears in Alaska which are morphologically very large brown bears but have more polar bear genes than brown bear genes. Which are they? What does it mean when two species can interbreed in this way? Do we argue that they were subspecies all along? Does the fact that there has been and continues to be interbreeding between them invalidate even the subspecies classification?

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>>61098534

>>61110204
>and how tightly we constrain that concordance is arbitrary

lol no it isn't, there is no metric by which a West African or Australoid will cluster together with a European in autosomal microsatellite PCA.

>>61110481
Their entire argument boils down to:

>"Human language used to describe objective things can sometimes be clumsy, therefore these things don't actually exist."

It sounds hilarious, but it's actually true.

>>61110648
Stumped.

>>61110251
>No it isn't, if it were purely arbitrary then why does principal component analysis in population genetics show clustering around traditional racial groups as identified by physical anthropologists in the 19th century?
if it's so rigid, then why is the clustering not 100% concordant?

>>61110310
no, retard
non-diagnostic means the participants weren't primed to think "this test matters," so they weren't socially pressured into a mode of thinking
when that pressure was removed, they did just as well as the whites

>>61110319
so you can believe in the 20,000 year weather cycle, but think NASA's data is lying

gotcha

>>61110378
yep, arbitrary

>>61110392
it is what the graph says

>>61110422
he showed the effects of socialization that, when removed, remove the gap in testing

>>61110481

>Does the fact that there has been and continues to be interbreeding between them invalidate even the subspecies classification?

it makes it so that you shouldn't automatically assume that each subspecies is completely distinct from one another

>>61110771
>""""""""objective""""""""

>>61110843
>no, retard
>non-diagnostic means the participants weren't primed to think "this test matters," so they weren't socially pressured into a mode of thinking
>when that pressure was removed, they did just as well as the whites
thats not what the medical definition of non-diagnostic means so try again.

let's not forget the millions of other examples where blacks under perform and there aren't whites for thousands of miles around.

>>61110843
>Genetics is meaningless
Yup retarded

>Trump
>winning
pick one

even if he gets nominated nobody will vote

>>61110930
>thats not what the medical definition of non-diagnostic means so try again.
but that is how it is defined in the paper you dumb fuck

>cuckservatives in charge of logic

>let's not forget the millions of other examples where blacks under perform and there aren't whites for thousands of miles around.
yes, socialization is a widespread effect

>>61110843
>if it's so rigid, then why is the clustering not 100% concordant?

I never said it was rigid, you implied it had to be for race to actually exist, which no biologist or population geneticist would agree with.

Try again.

>he showed the effects of socialization that, when removed, remove the gap in testing

No he didn't you retarded nigger. Re-read the quote, it's from a peer reviewed assessment of his study.

>it makes it so that you shouldn't automatically assume that each subspecies is completely distinct from one another
>completely distinct

So now we've moved on from flat out race denial to another strawman, implying that different racial groups are "completely discrete" when in reality the fact they're part of a continuum is something we embrace and point to as evidence.

>>61110843
>it is what the graph says
nice sample size of 117 and 113 respectively of only COLLEGE students.

totally no bias whatsoever in these studies :^)

>>61110981
You should watch one of his rallies and than start on that suicide note

>>61110956
>genetics is the end all be all of existence
>hurr durr my highest biology class was 8th grade genetics

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>>61098534
Donald Trump will become president of the USA in 2016. God bless America.

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>>61100876
>IQ is quite literally used to measure children's intelligence
I-I can't... I can't, /pol/....

>>61111026
>but that is how it is defined in the paper you dumb fuck
so now we're re-defining things just so niggers can perform better? toplel.

>yes, socialization is a widespread effect
I didn't know whites were oppressing blacks that much holy shit!

>>61110895

Yes, if human beings ceased to exist, and their language ceased to exist, genomes of various other organisms would continue to objectively exist, divergent evolution would continue to objectively exist, phylogenetic concordance between different sub-species would continue to exist.

They are objective things. No matter how much you will it, non-white people aren't white, and vice versa, as the present situation in Europe clearly illustrates.

>>61111088
>but muh sociology class told me we were all equal :'(

Kek

>>61105888
kek, it does

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>>61110843
We can do the "race isn't real because muh clear distinctions that we don't even have in many examples of species" all day.
But do you honestly believe that if I gathered 1,000 Native Australian children, raised them exactly the same as 1,000 random Native Japanese children they'd be around the same intelligence?
Because that's the question that matters.

>>61111044
>race is 100% real and insurmountable
>no wait race is only a soft designation but totes real guys
that's you

>>61111049
117 and 113 are perfectly fine sample sizes
>help help I don't know shit about genetics

>>61111139
>so now we're re-defining things just so niggers can perform better? toplel.
>words only have one definition that can be used in one context
cuckservatives, everyone

>I didn't know whites were oppressing blacks that much holy shit!

well you are on /pol/ so that makes sense

>>61111074
he is literally a meme

no repubs want him

C R U Z
R
U
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>>61111088
>genetics is the end all be all of existence

It quite literally is. Will your mindless $100,000 ramblings about "social constructs" exist in lieu of your genes?

>hurr durr my highest biology class was 8th grade genetics

Funny coming from a group of people who essentially believe Mendelian Inheritance doesn't exist and that evolution only applies to things that fit within their politically acceptable sensibilities.

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>>61111289
>Muh oppression is why blacks are retarded

>>61111203
>people get genes from their parents == blacks are inferior to whites
cuckservatives, everyone

>>61111275
socialization is a real effect, so were these 1,000 children raised in isolation or were they raised in their respective societies?

>>61111289
>insurmountable

What does this even _mean_ in this context? What are you trying to mount in the first place?

>no wait race is only a soft designation but totes real guys
>totes

Back to tumblr kid, and take your binary logic with you.

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>>61111115
It's better to use this one

Trump never said anything about a living wage. I think some troll just edited that in there to cause shitstorms

>>61111289
>>>61111139 (You)
>>so now we're re-defining things just so niggers can perform better? toplel.
>>words only have one definition that can be used in one context
>cuckservatives, everyone

generally yes, words have a static definition that we all agree on, that's kind of the entire point of language.

>>61111289
>117 and 113 are perfectly fine sample sizes
I'm sorry you've never taken a statistics class, I truly am.

Liberals might be retarded but in some ways its not their fault completely since their parents enabled them to pick stupid as fuck majors like english degrees and womens studies.

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>>61111432
>Muh society is more important than genetics

>>61111432
>raised exactly the same
1,000 Australia natives, 1,000 Japanese natives. Are they now basically the same?

>>61111388
>genotype and phenotype are exactly the same

>Funny coming from a group of people who essentially believe Mendelian Inheritance doesn't exist and that evolution only applies to things that fit within their politically acceptable sensibilities.
you learn very rapidly studying epigenetics and cell biology that mendelian genetics is only the very beginning of the story

it's like describing all illnesses as being caused by "bad blood" - reductionist to the point of meaninglessness

>>61111505

>generally yes, words have a static definition that we all agree on, that's kind of the entire point of language.
when I call you a nimrod, just know that it doesn't mean a mighty hunter, nimrod

>I'm sorry you've never taken a statistics class, I truly am.
>statistics only matter if the sample size is 100000
>this is what someone who knows nothing about stats actually believes

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>>61106079
Dope gnomes tho.

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>>61111432
>Divergent evolution doesn't apply to human beings
>Ok, maybe it does, but only for things like skin color
>And maybe morphology too
>But nothing else
>Because humans are special snowflakes
>Btw people who believe in God are retarded

And you wonder why we laugh at you.

>>61106866
Same here. Heard he was running, immediately volunteered for when he comes to town. Met him 4 years ago and I shit you not he's just a standard run of the mill guy. He's quite friendly and seems to be in perfect shape. Then again, he has scaled every tallest peak per continent.

>>61111637
>>I'm sorry you've never taken a statistics class, I truly am.
>>statistics only matter if the sample size is 100000
>>this is what someone who knows nothing about stats actually believes
The amount of bias in a sample from only the population of the university is incredible.

It's almost as if only blacks who do well in high school and have rich(intelligent) parents to pay for their college at xavier university aren't a representation of the general black population. Even with that they don't match the performance of whites at xavier university.

I have no problem with immigrant/intelligent blacks, but there are WAY too many niggers that we have to deal with.

>>61111478
insurmountable means that you believe race is something that automatically designates the performance of an individual

>>61111632
raised in australia and japan respectively? and do you mean the current majority population of japan or the ainu?

>>61111661
>divergent evolution applies to humans, therefore whites are objectively superior
cuckservatives, everyone

>>61108969
Fuck no, Trump does... need a business man!

>>61111637
>genotype and phenotype are exactly the same

Nobody said this.

>you learn very rapidly studying epigenetics

Ah yes, that's it. Nigger diasporas perform academically poorly in virtually every society on earth because there's some sort of hidden causative factor that triggers an epigenetic reaction. Because this isn't an outrageous violation of occam's razor.

>reductionist to the point of meaninglessness

The only one insisting that one side of the equation cancels out the other is you. Most people who are hereditarians are quite happy to concede environment plays a key role in someone's development, but you unironically believe that every single disparity in outcome that you happen not to like is 100% the result of environment.

Who is the real "reductionist" here, in reducing anything in a society to a by-product of "Phantom Discrimination" or "White Privilege" or some other nebulous unquantifiable shit.

>>61111786
>The amount of bias in a sample from only the population of the university is incredible.

>It's almost as if only blacks who do well in high school and have rich(intelligent) parents to pay for their college at xavier university aren't a representation of the general black population. Even with that they don't match the performance of whites at xavier university.
they do, though, when socialization is removed

>I have no problem with immigrant/intelligent blacks, but there are WAY too many niggers that we have to deal with.
he said, without any trace of irony

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>>61106990
I like the part where you argue against minimal summaries instead of the full article that has evidence just waiting to be challenged.

Nah, better not do that. Might turn out to be wrong.

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>>61111877
>insurmountable means that you believe race is something that automatically designates the performance of an individual

Nobody said that, we say racial differences are a key part of why blacks are more aggressive, perform poorly academically relative to other races and are generally part of quasi-matriarchal family structures.

>divergent evolution applies to humans, therefore whites are objectively superior

The fact you're strawmanning this hard means we've already won.

>>61111950
>they do, though, when socialization is removed
your study does not prove this in any way shape or form for the general black population.

please take a statistics class at some point in the near future.

>he said, without any trace of irony
please explain why my argument is bad instead of going HURR YOU'RE WRONG!

>>61111877
>raised in australia and japan respectively? and do you mean the current majority population of japan or the ainu?
Stop stalling, but the fact that you are shows that you really do know but you don't like it.
Exactly the same means exactly the same, in a laboratory, and I'll say the current majority population but the Ainu are also fine.

>>61111908
you said
>[genetics] quite literally is [the end all be all of existence]

>Ah yes, that's it. Nigger diasporas perform academically poorly in virtually every society on earth because there's some sort of hidden causative factor that triggers an epigenetic reaction. Because this isn't an outrageous violation of occam's razor.
yeah dude it's not like the environment ever influenced phenotypic expression lmao

>>61112039
>Nobody said that, we say racial differences are a key part of why blacks are more aggressive, perform poorly academically relative to other races and are generally part of quasi-matriarchal family structures.

but you refuse to acknowledge society's part in any of this and you want to insist that race is the biggest part because feelings

>your study does not prove this in any way shape or form for the general black population.

but it does

>please take a statistics class at some point in the near future.

good luck when you're trying to get your million person samples

>please explain why my argument is bad instead of going HURR YOU'RE WRONG!

>I don't have a problem with blacks, we just have to deal with these niggers!
it's like something from out of a political cartoon

>>61111981
They're arguing against single quotes themselves. Don't need to debunk the article, just show the quotes aren't false like they said.
Find the full article if you want and debunk it yourself if you think that they're relevant.

>>61112153
I'm not "stalling," I'm trying to convey to you that socialization provides a huge factor

so if you took 1000 children from each of those groups and raised them from birth in identical conditions, they'd probably do about as well on any tasks you gave them

but if you took them from the current populations, the japanese would do well because japan obviously caters to the japanese (why wouldn't it?) and the australian natives are oppressed

but nah you want to reduce it to "them filthy abbos" right?

>>61112295
>[genetics] quite literally is [the end all be all of existence]

This is fact. We exist because of our genes. It doesn't mean the sum total of our behavior is down to genes.

>but you refuse to acknowledge society's part in any of this and you want to insist that race is the biggest part because feelings

I don't see how a society which

1) Spends more than virtually every OECD country on education per pupil.
2) Institutionalized advantages blacks in college admissions, admissions to magnet schools etc
3) Places severe pressure on teachers and administrators to "equalize" this "achievement gap"

Is someone working to the disadvantage of blacks.

Remember that globally there's very little connection between educational spending and academic attainment. The PISA rankings are definitive proof of this.

>>61102306
>libertarians base their concept of a free market making quality products around consumer demand

>"They trust me - dumbfucks" -Mark Zuckerberg
>people still use his product

>cigarettes cause cancer
>still massively sold product and popularity gaining among youth

>eating too much food makes you fat
>Fat Tolerance is now a thing

Ah yes, the free market! Consumers truly do know what's best all the time.

>>61103297
I'm a neet and I'm not voting for that bald larry david looking cuck. I'm a neet because I'm a fuckup and can't even join the military due to a genetic defect and have no money for education, and can't get a grant because my privilege level is still somehow too high, but I'd do factory work just fine. With any luck trump will bring jobs to this country that stupid fucks like me can manage.

>>61106157

Human production of CO2 does have an impact on the atmosphere. However, the atmosphere becomes saturated with carbon depending on certain conditions, which is why the data points keep going up and down. The global warming doomsday scenario is the false part.

>>61111950
>when socialization is removed
how many times has that "socialization" experiment been repeated? are we really going off 200 college students

>>61112488
if I tried to bring up all the ways in which blacks are oppressed, you'd just turn into a reeeing pepe about it, scream tumblr, and not even listen to it, so I shouldn't bother, right?

>Remember that globally there's very little connection between educational spending and academic attainment. The PISA rankings are definitive proof of this.

so then

>1) Spends more than virtually every OECD country on education per pupil.
why is this point relevant?

>>61112614
>if I tried to bring up all the ways in which blacks are oppressed

Bring up ways in which blacks are "oppressed" that aren't just symptomatic of their general degeneracy: E.g. destroying new housing projects and then claiming the poor condition of the housing is the reason they fail.

>>61112295
>because feelings
Don't project dude. Society has an effect but it's not everything.
Claiming it's all environment is a big stretch and there's no real evidence.
They exist in all kinds of environments yet it all ends the same for some reason.

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>>61112489
>facebook costs money
you are really, really, dumb
>cigarettes popularity gaining among youth
smoking is down overall nice attempt tho
>>eating too much food makes you fat
>>Fat Tolerance is now a thing
you're right lets be like new york and ban large sizes. totally sensible

>>61103599
why are you shitting on libertarians then? you hate trump?

>>61112575
>However, the atmosphere becomes saturated with carbon depending on certain conditions
at which point we get ocean acifidication

CO2 + H2O -> (HCO3-) + (H+)

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>>61098534
both

>>61112614
>why is this point relevant?

Because literally every politician in every western country on earth thinks that "investing more in schools" is someone going to increase the raw intelligence of the pupils?

Here's a good idea for a real way in which environment can actually help everyone that doesn't require any money: Get some serious fucking discipline back in schools.

>>61108254
Love how he shut up

>>61112727
>Bring up ways in which blacks are "oppressed" that aren't just symptomatic of their general degeneracy
how is this not assuming the conclusion in your premise? seriously, how can I name anything when you just write it off as degeneracy? it's baffling that you're so lacking in self-awareness

>>61112744
>you are really, really, dumb

and how is that? Facebook users continue to use it despite everyone knowing their information is sold

Everyone uses products known to work with the NSA because they just don't care. People don't care.

Monsanto is still in business and no one cares.

>you're right lets be like new york and ban large sizes. totally sensible
that's not my point. My point is that consumers can't be educated on literally every thing they buy and everything the company does that they buy it from.

If consumers were actually so smart as to regulate quality based on their demand, America wouldn't have an obesity epidemic.

>>61112936
>how is this not assuming the conclusion in your premise?

Because I gave you a clear cut example of how you do it:

>Build new housing for niggers
>Niggers run it down and physically destroy it
>Other mo' money fo dem programs nigger comes along and claims the reason his fellow niggers are incapable is partly because their housing is so poor "There is a direct link between the quality of someone's housing and cleanliness of their living environment and how well they do at school!"
>Nigger secures grant for new housing
>After embezzling a big part of it for purple drank and white hookers, new housing is built
>Same pattern repeats again

>>61112614
I'll accept racial equality if I see a successful modern black civilization by their own intuition, and black(at least 90%, no 50% white) scientists making important breakthroughs.
What evidence would be necessary for you to admit you're wrong and races aren't the same?

>>61106915
>annual demonstrations

>>61113168
but anything I say will just be replied to with "that's because of their degeneracy"

you gave a vague criterion that is impossible to exclude

>>61113174
do you not see your own biases here?

>if a black scientist succeeds, it must be due to his white genes

you're like a cartoon character

>>61113372
>you gave a vague criterion that is impossible to exclude

I gave you an example of obvious circular reasoning to avoid.

>>61113372
>if a black scientist succeeds, it must be due to his white genes
If Bill constantly get's A's and Ben gets F's.
When they do a project together and get a C It's seems very likely the good work came from Bill.

Please answer the question then.
>what evidence would change your mind?

>>61113506
so if I say something like voter suppression, which clearly affects minorities more than it does whites, you won't say "well that's just black degeneracy"?

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I support Bernie.

Presidents are weak on domestic policy, very weak. I don't fear any of his outlandish fringe SJW stuff. Only his centrist ideas, universal healthcare and reigning in taxes will have a chance of passing

Bernie is GOAT on foreign policy though:

>Anti TTIP
>Anti TPP
>Anti-interventionist
>Pro-Europe
>Environmentalist

Coincidentally, all of those positions are consistent with right-wing reactionary and ethno-nationalist values. Go figure

Trump has some based foreign policy ideas, but also expressed some neocuckservative ideas, hasn't come out against TTIP yet and seems more inclined to support spying and digital intrusion

Bernie is also a class-warfare anti-rich guy, or far more than Trump is. You cannot be a redpilled rightist and not want to gas the American top .1%. Pic related

>>61113563
the specific identification of genes that improve or reduce intelligence, integrated into a model organism's genome, that clearly and repeatedly demonstrate an improvement in intelligence

>>61102035
>YUGEly

>>61100237
Trump believes or at least pretends to believe that vaccines cause autism. That is a pretty good litmus test for people who should be allowed to procreate, and he failed spectacularly.

>>61113650
Ok, dude I can fuck your wife. Be more objective next time.

>>61113372
lol the asspain is just unstoppable

>>61113811
And the man with the highest IQ believes in god. Chances are you believe something completely retarded as well

>>61114108
it's almost like IQ and objective fact recognition don't share a 1:1 correlation or something

>>61114108
Chances are, yeah. Good thing I'm not running for president of the free fucking world.

>>61114286
You're not old enough to.

>>61114286
And a big part of that is you are a unknown likely poor neet. Maybe if you accomplished something in life some other neet would be shitting on your retarded views right now.

>>61114262
He is extremely intelligent and a thought provoking person regardless.

>>61112847
ocean acidification is a much bigger problem than most people seem to realize

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification

>>61113811
You feel that way because of something you read.
So does the opposition.

>>61113811
>>61114108

What someone SAYS they believe in may not be what they actually believe in.

Interestingly, I have very similar views on God and vaccination-related autism.

I believe that:
1. There is no God.
2. It is in society's best interest that most people believe in God.

Similarly, I believe:
1. Vaccines cause autism.
2. It is in society's best interest that most people believe that vaccines do not cause autism.

As such, any leader who believes as I do will lie: they will claim to believe in God and claim that vaccines do not cause autism. However, they are unlikely to actually vaccinate their children.

There are therefore three tiers of people as I see it:

1. Those who believe the useful lies
2. Those who do not believe the useful lies and try to expose them
3. Those who do not believe the useful lies but allow them to persist

>>61098534
That tweet is fake. Fuck you for making me check.

>>61115941
Trump has at least that much tact as to not call people retards.

>>61107186
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE

>>61106990
I threw up a little in my mouth reading that.

>>61115748
>Similarly, I believe that:
>1. Vaccines cause autism.

Congratulations on being clinically retarded.

>>61115748
What about lies that are actively harmful and still believed. It stops being a numbers game when it affects everything.

>>61112884

sauce

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>>61102035
SCOTUS
is literally the most important thing going on now

you realize you have 2-3 conniving kikes on your supreme court justice? all the fundamental transformations and transgressions emanating into your society are permitted because of the state of the SCOTUS

if the democrats take it in 2016 the USA is over because I guarantee you jews will have the majority vote in the SCOTUS

it is critically important to root out grand deceptions from society as well, Trump needs to make a truth detection department with truth serums/truth machines and do a dragnet of society to root out grand deceptions against the united states in positions of power. I guarantee you a couple will be found in the SCOTUS and that's just the tip of the iceberg

>>61116514
>Congratulations on being clinically retarded
What makes you say this? You should know first that I'm pro-vax personally. I just think that you're making a stronger argument against yourself. I imagine if asked why you feel the way you do, you wouldn't have sources at hand that convinced you. You'd probably google it and come back with some links. Those links aren't what made your decision though. It was probably as a result of something you read, maybe even something put out by your gov. Maybe you saw it on reddit. Maybe here on 4chan. There are valid reasons to be skeptical of these sources.

If you want to educate people, don't start by insulting them. You have a very strong opinion, but in itself that isn't an argument Don't be an oppression Olympics SJW with this sort of thing.