I could get a manly job, sure. The only manly job I can think of is the military so maybe I should go do that
Even if I do though, society these days wants every man to be a c.u.c.k. For example today I was thinking about cleaning. Cleaning is definitely not a job for a man who is earning the bread and providing for his family. It's the job of the stay at home wife. But surely all women these days are like "that's sexist" and will want to divorce you if you want them to do the cleaning?
Are men now eternally c.u.c.k.e.d? What the fuck is wrong with the fucking world?
>>61067812 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgmVOuLgFB0 1.)One and foremost, we need to reevaluate the word "love" that it's can be define more than sexual love or just pleasure in general. 2.) understand that if one wants something feminine then they'll have to equally masculine. 3.)besides these things we're fucked. Unless we adapt to this. http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-neomasculinity
>>61068237 maybe start with its not your "job" to earn bread and get that whore a job so she wont have the excuse to call you sexist when you suggest maybe, just maybe a couple shouldnt live in dirt so you do the cleaning togather
But women these days are entitled and will want to divorce me won't they?
I was thinking about it because it is actually one of the EXACT things that my parents (now divorced) argued over. My mum would say "why can't your father clean like [friend]'s husband" - I guess I didn't know at the time why my dad didn't clean, but now I am older, I know what it feels like as an adult man who is bringing home the bacon (both my parents had careers, but my dad earned more) - cleaning is the last fucking thing you want to do. And that's the kind of shit other guys will ridicule you for. "YOU'RE doing the cleaning?! Your wife's got you under the thumb!"
Why do feminists not understand that it is the function of men to be strong providers - earning and providing is our purpose in life? It is essential to the male psyche, and without it we feel worthless, just like a woman does if she isn't allowed to dress up and look nice. It is no wonder that male suicides are increasing while female suicides decrease - we have been stripped of everything that gives us pride in life and told we have to do feminine jobs, otherwise we are "bad people". What the fuck is wrong with the earth.
>>61068101 what if you already did that but it still seems like there's cucks everywhere.
conversation with gf last night, me in green:
"Have you seen this photo of *random kardashian*" >Nah, fuck those little race traitors. "I suppose it makes sense though, why they like black guys." >?? "You know, their dad. He's not exactly uhh..." >The tranny? "Haha yeah. You can understand why they look for really masculine guys." >You think black guys are more masculine? "No but...that's their persona, right? You think white guy, especially american white guy, well they're all a bit.." >Pussy? "Yeah." >Do you think I'm a pussy? "No I think you're really masculine. But you're the exception. We've got a bunch of polish girls at work and they laugh all the time at how weak they think men here are."
The disgusting thing is she's right. The white male population is infested with snivelling betas, everywhere you look.
That helps you physically but it doesn't improve your character. I went with a buddy for a while and that was good because you can be competitive but going by yourself sucks, because you're on your own, and you get too obsessed over your body image, which is a pretty feminine trait by the way. Sports are probably better than the gym - you need to be competing WITH other people, because that teaches you to have a strong and resilient character.
My girlfriend is American and I'm moving there to marry her in 2017. Gonna be good. Here's what she said about me when I asked her if I was masculine. I think her idea what makes a man "masculine" is pretty spot on desu.
>>61068707 You think refusing to clean is manly, and your mother was complaining about your father being manly?
That's some pretty stupid logic.
Cleaning and otherwise taking care of yourself and your things is manly, refusing to do so is an indicator of childishness. "I went to work today, I shouldn't have to do anything else!" - does that sound like a competent, capable leader or does it sound like someone stuck in arrested development because he was over-mothered?
"Masculinity is an illusion"? Doesn't this just show how fucked masculinity is today, that you ACTUALLY think it doesn't exist / is an illusion / only exists on the internet?
No. Masculinity is a well-defined thing, and in the middle of the 20th century, men and women knew EXACTLY what being a man entailed - being strong, earning money, being confident, bold, etc. All of these things are what a man is.
If I speak to my grandma, who lived in a time when men were men, she will say how my grandad was a "typical man" (but of course she doesn't say it in a negative way, like today's feminists) - he was stubborn, he was strong-willed, he went drinking and smoking after work, he expected my grandma to do the cooking and the cleaning, and she expected to as well, because that was a woman's purpose. And they were better for it. They were happily married their entire lives, and my parents (and many parents of people I know) got divorced, because they couldn't make their marriage work. Why? Because the man wanted to be a man, but today's cultural marxism says they're not allowed to be men, so they get frustrated and angry. No marriage can work like that.
Masculinity is a real thing - it is a collection of biological traits, caused by testosterone. Go to a building site, or go into a pub in a working-class area one evening, where men with manual jobs go for a drink, laugh, smoke, have banter, play darts and snooker, etc. Then tell me masculinity doesn't exist.
>>61069225 Yeah that probably does require you to be tough I'm assuming.
>>61069663 What are those hobbies out of interest?
>>61069113 >>61068787 Go to the gym. Its doesnt matter if caring about your body is 'feminine'. Feminists HATE physically strong, built men (expect sexually, where they secretly prefer it) and even if they tell lies on the internet about how its not cool or attractive to be built any more, they can never ever take it away from you.
White men had their 50-60 years where their masculinity was celebrated in all forms of the public sphere such as in movies, music and politics as well as the home life. Face it, women/femininity is now being pushed.
Shooting, Hunting, Model building (like airfix and shit, bit autistic I know but you can completely space out and it's literally the most relaxing thing), reading, debating, current events, cricket. They're the main but there's others.
>>61070165 Everything. Slacks or trousers look and fit better. Plus you have to take the time to iron/press them to keep them looking sharp. Instills discipline and shows women that you take team out of your day to care about your appearance. Same goes for dress shirts or polos over tee's. Don't wear tee's outside the house.
Pretty much this except subtract model building and add weight lifting to relax. Also subtract cricket and add literally any other non faggot sport. Honestly it could be badminton and still be better than that curry slinging shitsport.
Also, woodworking would be something to add. Home brewing/home distilling.
>>61067812 You start with yourself. Working on external characteristics like getting swole in the gym, growing a beard, dressing "gentlemanly" etc. it's all just playing pretend. You're playing the role of a man, but inside you're still your old self. Being an adult is about developing your character more than anything external. Like that prayer goes: >God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. There are people serving life sentences in prison that are happy, and people living in a supposed utopia like Norway and Finland that commit suicide. The thought that inner peace and happiness is a choice and it's entirely up to you and it exists in your own mind independent of external reality may sound like you're giving up on life, but it's not. And I think that's the key to self improvement, and living life as a self determined person, a "real man", and not just reacting to what's going on in the world around you and seeking validation from others.
if you are doing hobbies because "its what le manly men do" then you are the same person you think you are criticizing
if you are insecure about your identity thats fine. but you people are more interested in what a man should seem like and what hobbies he should have. its about mindset not how epic your beard is, or how many times you lift a steel bar up and down. the fact you take the whole alpha/beta thing seriously shows you spend too much time on here and probably lack a male role model
You know what, I'm done with this board. It's only made me realize how happy I am in my little Balkan shit hole. Jesus Christ, we have real problems where I'm from and as a man you have to work to solve them. There really isn't time for all these bullshit memes that revolve around 'gender identity' and 'social justice' and the like. You niggers want for nothing yet you're still depressed and miserable. Slav life best life. See you in a couple of months.
Tell me this... when you play with those shitskins over in India, since those are the only people who will play that sport with you, do you shit all over the field or are they designated shitting spots?
>>61067812 > Don't get married. It's a trap. > Do whatever the fuck you want. > Stay in shape. > Earn good. > Learn how to handle women. > Don't overly use alcohol/drugs or any other escapes (Games/Anime)
One key to this is getting young men to understand that the world / life is not supposed to be easy, and that it never was.
And for them to understand that the challenges are the things that shape us into men. Manhood is something that is developed, it's not something you just have or you don't.
The problem with 'manchildren' like gamers etc. is that they grew up with a consumerism that gives you the impression that things are supposed to come easily and immediately. When they realize that woman can be challenging, or that their goals aren't met right away, they conclude that they failed, that they're born losers, and immediately give up and resort to a life of comfiness and gaming and porn, rather than continuing to go out and improve themselves and work harder.
And progressive men aren't helping either. Some of them may have things a little easier: more wealth, a somewhat easier time with women, and in their affluent lifestyle they become spoiled and forget that the world is actually a hard and often intolerant place, and begin to buy into a progressive attitude that projects their Western comforts on the world.
The thing is, some of the anger and despair on this board is very on-point in recognizing a lot of the problems of our time, but one thing I think it gets wrong is this implication that things are supposed to be easier or better. Men in more traditional times understood, by default, that life is hard, and faced it accordingly. We need to just accept that this is our challenge for our time (these corrosive progressive values and materialism that are ruining us). Despairing over it all assumes that life should be easy. But if you believe in a man's responsibility, you will accept that there are problems - real problems that need to be fixed - but then step up with a winning attitude rather than talking about suicide, or running away or giving up.
Masculinity is a philosophy that nobody stops to think about anymore. They don't understand it and can't identify with it which leads to these Trans things and feminists who don't understand mutual respect between adult men and women.
First you'll have to define masculinity, beyond superficial nonsense like having someone clean up after you. Think about the stereotypical masculine and feminine responses to stressful situations. The man remains cool and solves the problem, the woman melts down.
So then, to start, two important factors: levelheadness and self-control. The former so that you can assess a situation and determine the best path of action, and the latter so that you can execute upon that judgement.
How to cultivate these virtues? I'm not sure. I recall seeing that testosterone levels may be positively correlated with them. So do things that will increase your testosterone, like lifting. Other than that? Meditation perhaps could help. And of course, general life experience.
 As in the opposite of hysteria. New Latin hysteria, from hysteric, from Latin hystericus, from Ancient Greek ὑστεριkός (husterikós, “suffering in the uterus, hysterical”), from ὑστέρα (hustéra, “womb”).
>>61067812 Let's be honest here. If you want masculinity to return you have to market as a righteous thing. Seriously, our society advertise men as primitive, stupid and untrustworthy compared to women, especially involving children.
>>61071075 Skinny jeans are the epitome of feminized males. They make you look dainty by accentuating your lean chicken legs. Lose the facial hair if that's as thick as you can get it. Other than that, you seem ok.
I think this is a necessary topic, if it's understood as being about action, facing challenges with a cool head, responsibility, rather than superficial shit.
Being willing to face problems - seeing the world for how it is - rather than giving up or hiding your head in the sand, is one of the defining features of manhood, as well as really being a necessary step towards part of the solution to the current issues.
>>61072870 Pretty much THIS. Dealing with this kind of relationships irl is a pain in the ass. Better Idea is to get a degree, then a nice job and spend free time on watching animu and working out. Add to this psychedelic trip once a month and you are happy go lucky man. Without rage, without envy, without obessios, without fear.
Masculinity is a cancer of society, it's why women get raped and abused and denied of their rights every day across the globe. Men you need to understand that yes, women are people too! Not just objects for your pleasure. Until you educate yourself to this fact, which will involve scrapping your toxic masculinity, society will remain fucked up.
Notice how femininity is happiness and caring, respect and tolerance of others whereas masculinity is aggression and violence and hatred.
>>61073302 >Men who abandon the challenges that women present are nothing but manchildren, the opposite of men. While I agree that anime is a cancer for the mind and soul, being a man is not only getting pussy. I hate this notion. Being a man is doing things pragmatically and effectively when you need to do them, make money, have a status, a career, a house that you own and respect from and toward your peers. Pussy is easy to get and is literally everywhere.
>>61075223 > notice how femininity is undisciplined, irrational, overly-emotional and as tolerant as an immune system without white blood-cells whereas masculinity is assertiveness, self-protecting and caution.
....Is not females it people like you that seem to want to eradicate the yin for the yang in your vanity.
>>61075488 Yeah, I totally agree. And any guy who puts women/sex/relationships first is doing it wrong, and I think that opting out of marriage is actually a legit idea of you have bigger fish to fry in life and don't need the distraction.
But these waifufags are slaves to their desire still, except that in their case, it comes with no challenges, no reward, no development. Women can be very difficult, but they do strengthen you (in fact, they punish any weakness or inconfidence). Waifu shit is like the essence of every bad attitude a guy could adopt that prevents him from facing his challenges and accomplishing anything, contained and compressed into a self-sealed, candy-coated package that works on him essentially like a life-energy draining parasite.
Of course, anyone on /pol/ is usually a 4chan veteran, which means we've all already passed by the many potential geek culture pitfalls that are basically bluepills designed for people at the margins of society, and now we're willing to face reality and in many cases a lot of us will now step it up. This is why you actually see more men on here with relationships and marriages.
>>61072870 This is worse than being some feminized faggot getting who gets their balls crushed by every single woman in their life, even if they get pussy
Like it or not the family unit is important, and if you want the satisfaction of building a family, which can be a thing of beauty or some depressing garbage (think the tv show modern family if the characters made about 40k less). I'm not satisfied with my upbringing, but I want to instil proper values and life skills in my children one day. This all takes a knowledge of women though, and it's best to develop that early so you know what you're doing later on when it matters.
>>61067812 first of all don't put women, girls on a pedestal. Familiarize yourself with red-pill philosophy. Don't be a blue pill provider so that a girl uses you for money while she fucks someone else. Don't be a nice guy.
>>61074506 He's right, you moron. How many people in this thread are making generalizations about how bad it is because they read it from somewhere on the internet? Women do this and women do that, the mra hugbox told me so. It's fucking sad, get off the PC
>>61070217 what are you even implying? that putting on muscle only gets you stronger if your intentions are pure? muscle is muscle dude i feel like you're reading me some excerpt from a mom-science magazine or some shit
> it's the recourse for boys who find women and life too hard.
I never asked for a "Dante Must Die" kind of difficulty. Heck let me be clear: I never asked to be born in this hard mode life. but noooo, my parents were doing the ultimate selfishness when they conceived me without consent.
What's the rewards for beating this game? yes you got it, a pussy. How pathetic that must sound eh?
You are so stupid.. All of you . You think that you can do something about betas? Ofc not , beta you born beta you die , alpha you born alpha you die, i was born beta , can t do anything about it . And no,going to the gym doesn t make you an alpha nor having a job or money , i know cause i go and im still a beta kuk , no gf no interaction with females( maybe cause i m ugly, at least that s how i see myself nobody told me , not that someone told me i m cute either) , you get used to it after a while and understand you are beta ( at least i did) and that s all
>>61082830 I've been lifting for about 15 months and I've had to replace all of my pants. Shirts fit better, though. If you're a poorfag, just buy oats in bulk and shop at thrift stores. Hit up the /fit/ sticky and /fa/ and raise your 4chan powerlevel m8.
You shouldn't be asking your woman questions about yourself. Don't give her an option to formulate an opinion. Tell her what her opinion is -- she'll thank you for thinking for her. This is not a joke.
Frame it like this: "tell me what your favorite masculine aspects of me are," or "describe to me how you view my masculinity." You get the picture.
>>61082830 OK anon today is your lucky day cause I'm here to help. Used to be megalanket, even more than you, 6'4
Do not buy bigger clothes yet, don't waste your money on supplements, DON'T SPEND A DIME other than getting a gym membership. Getting buff is CHEAP.
The best foods to eat for muscle are the cheapest. Milk, eggs and chicken. That's it. You don't need anything else, you are blessed with decent height and being underweight, you only need to add these to your daily nutrition and eat whatever you want
Don't expect any results at all, don't do it for results, just work out for the sake of the workout... The key here is that you cannot give up or get depressed with this attitude, persistence is key in lifting, not some bullshit super secret nutrition tip or trick they're trying to sell you
I made it about a third of the way through this thread before tapping out. Are you all trolling? Do you seriously need masculinity explained to you? Have I spent the past 5 years arguing politics with 16 year old autists?
>>61068237 >cleaning is for wymenz >one of the first things you learn in the marine corps, and probably every branch is to make everything fucking spotless or neat, or get fucking chewed out don't be effeminate in your cleaning but don't be a god damn pig
>>61067812 Don't spend your childhood and the majority of your adult life online. Socialize with people IRL, don't confuse online with IRL, don't become enveloped with impotent rage because of ephemeral comments and arguments on the internet, turn off the news, etc.
Also, don't get rapid sour grapes syndrome because you are an antisocial fag and woman ignore you.
>>61084777 get the fuck out here switzerland, you are literally the poster child of faggotry nowadays
masculinity shouldn't be something you consciously try to achieve but it does exist, and it does have a definition. it's not about "deprecated standard" you disgusting cuck, men are generally different from women physically and behaviorally and these differences are masculine by definition
people trying to turn an actual definition into a label like you are are the same kind of cunts who draw the word "beautiful" over their morbidly fat bodies
fuck off with your language bending 21st century SJW shit
I don't get you guys, life has enough problems, you have to educate yourself to get decent job. When you get it you work 8 hours a day, add working out and you have time and strength only for escapism. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with dealing with women but my attitude toward them is same as toward guys, just another people I have to cooperate to make my living. Live is challenging enough when you are alone and I can't imagine level of pressure when you have wife and children. Virtual worlds are far more attractive and to be honest I do my shit in live only to experience them and can afford this fun.
>>61067812 >show integrity >show confidence >never apologize for doing the right thing >learn some basic skills to be independent. For clothes/fashion it can be a fine line. The people who take too much care of their appearance strike me as self absorbed.
>>61068237 >I could get a manly job, sure. The only manly job I can think of is the military so maybe I should go do that
Haha no mate just fucking no, sure it makes you physically stronger and slightly fucking mental, but the real men are the ones who work with there hands, engineers and people who build and make things, THESE are the real men in society.
>>61085362 You're mad projecting and extrapolating Branislav. You're probably fat and frustrated. Don't be fat and frustrated.
Fat teenagers like you posting pictures of Sean Connery with keywords like "masculinity" are no better than fat neckbeards with fedoras with keywords like "classy". It's the exact same shit, you're both two groups of insecure people with very little self-awareness.
When you will realize that running behind "masculinity" is the ultimate form of beta male behavior, it will be a good start.
>>61085592 But you can be masculine without doing a "manly" job, so it literally doesn't matter. Doing a job to try to be more manly is childish. Tom Ford is masculine and he gained fame working as a designer for Gucci. Jay Z is masculine and he made a song about Tom Ford.
>>61067812 Honestly just like yourself and don't give a fuck about what other people think. Beta behaviour is largely born of a socialised desire to please others, especially women, to satiate your own self worth. Stop doing this and you'll probably be "masculine" naturally, unless you're an effeminate fagboy or something.
>>61086167 You're both sort of right to be honest. Masculinity (and femininity) both only exist as something you can feel from someone. Someone could have the most stereotypically "manly" hobbies and interests yet not be masculine at all.
>>61085890 virtual worlds are pixels on a fucking screen you mongoloid, human beings have senses other than sight or hearing. driving your own boat around the cayman islands is a different experience completely other than holding the "W" button while your character does it in a video game, so is sex, so is running, so is fighting, so is literally every single thing in the world
the world together offers limitless probabilities and possibilities, it's programming is way more complex than something EA could make jesus fuck
you relate the world to bad things because the world treats you objectively, nobody wants to put up with your shit, nobody will suck your dick for no fucking reason, so rather than improve yourself you stick to a shitty replica that's rigged in your favor, no matter how autistic you are you will be rewarded
i literally can't believe that i am actually having to type this out for you autists, you've surrounded yourselves with other retards and jerked yourselves into accepting this shit, it's like one flew over the cuckoo's nest only there the retard actually got laid
its much better to defeat your crippling fear of the outside than to relate a viewpoint distorted by pure insecurity to "objective reality"
literally anyone whose job is to study retards would tell you the same, you're well-aware of this shit, i don't even know why i'm bothering with you senpai desu
I get his point, but he's wording them very poorly.
I'm not a degeneracy enabler, but i believe that "masculinity" (again, i hate using these words because you can project on them any fedora-tier, wannabe-manly-man definition) comes from the inside. Not from the outside.
What i mean by that is that you should follow your own way, and never fall for whatever society / women standard.
And don't forget that that "manly / masculine" man is actually being sold to you. They're fueling you with visions of what you SHOULD BE according to them. This is extremely dangerous.
>>61086927 But no one denied any of those things. Who cares if virtual reality isn't the same as the physical world. It's close enough and not near as much effort is required. If you feel the need to over compensate by trying to be "manly" in the real world, be my guest. Just don't get to upset when the rest of us laugh at you with our qt 2d waifus in our virtual mansions, betaboi.
>>61086167 >can't come up with a response >y-you're p-probably f-fat f-fatty
is this the result of being cucked so much m8?
i literally said masculinity shouldn't be something you strive for, but it IS a definition and there are literal physical traits that are more masculine than others. I'm not saying it should be glorified, I'm saying it's not a label you autist
i didn't even claim to be masculine myself, i'm just appalled at how you beta fags have to turn everything you want but aren't into a "label" so that you could call yourselves beautiful when you're fat, and manly while Jamal is cuckink you
"it's a social construct hurr-durr" do you realize this is the literal backbone of any SJW agenda out there you absolute flaccid cuck?
>>61087494 In the end, i'm convinced that 99.99 % of the "male" problems nowadays is caused by these standards imposed by society (and women, of course ).
These males running behind "masculinity and badassery" don't realize that these traits were more often than not imposed by a specific situation. Pure adaptation to a specific situation. Sometimes, just survival. You can't just take things out of context and project them as the grail of manliness in our "modern" context, where survival and difficulty hardly exist anymore. This is actually the best fucking way to destroy those you want to help.
>>61087823 Exactly, hence why i thought i would be arguing with redpilled people. But (close) to all i read is probably coming out of wannabe-the-man lanky ass teenagers with no virtually no goals in life. Appalling.
>>61068475 >>61080297 I know it may be a meme but I tried a lot harder to go on dates and shit and make girls like me after a week of nofap because I did not have a haram of lewd avi files to beat off to as a consolation prize
>>61068237 >I'm afraid of cleaning because people will think I'm a fag My father was the manliest motherfucker in town and you bet your ass he kept the house he hardly earned clean. He didn't wonder if people would think he's a bitch, because that's what bitches do, and you're the living proof of it.
>>61087728 No, those ethnic groups that come under the banner of what I defined are all white by blood dumbass. Nothing to do with "socio-economics" though culture plays a part. European people are white people, though I don't consider muslims to be part of the same family.
>>61068237 The objective is to not chase women, and let them chase you. MAKE YOURSELF DESIRABLE. I like the fact that my husband can clean when I'm too busy taking care of our child. I do most of the cleaning, because I'm a STAHM but I enjoy doing it. Just act like a MGTOW without shutting out women completely.
>>61088659 the worst part is you know you're full of shit m8. your opinion on percentages means nothing, if you had genuinely experienced the pleasurable sides of life your look on it wouldn't be so bleak
vidya won't solve your problems. you aren't escaping from the real world, if you were, I'd understand, but you're delaying the inevitable and this is what's going to suck
eventually you will have to work, get away from the computer, or get into social situations, and this is when you'll get wrecked by life
i wish you all the best you poor cuck, i really do
>>61088409 >Implying that does anything. You can't be masculine if you don't master your own emotions. The reason why masculinity has problems is because society exceedingly favours femininity.
All you need to do in order to bring back masculinity is disregard feelings in favour of logic. Everyone needs to be held accountable for their own actions. When you're forced to take responsibility over your own life, then the chances that you'll be a sissy diminish significantly.
>>61069862 When the following are true: >[Person A] and [Person B] are living in the same house >A generates no significant income >A relies on B for all their needs >B works their arse off all day to provide for both of them Then it is reasonable that A, having nothing more productive to do, should at least spend some hours of the day keeping the home in reasonable shape
If both A and B are gainfully employed and bring in similar incomes, none of this applies.
If A *is* bringing in some income, but B is generating the bulk of it and A is still more or less reliant on B for their current quality of life, things are murkier.
>>61088859 All I see here is you calling people "skinny weak beta lankets", as if to portray it as bad and yourself as the opposite (?) I don't see why the disagreement, you're literally defining feminine traits as bad/undesirable, but end up contradicting yourself down the way
Then we have you selling people some "true journey to manliness" which is apparently "not giving a fuck", I'm just saying, this is not masculinity, look it up online or find a dictionary. Not caring is definitely a good thing, it's just not masculine, if you're small with wide hips and speak with a lisp you aren't masculine by definition, no matter how little of a fuck you give.
In the end this cuckfest boils down to "People who talk about being masculine are beta, I'm masculine because I don't talk about it" which is well, lol, I have no comment for someone this confused and contradictive
>>61067812 >How do we revive masculinity? Break teh post-WW2 world order. America can't so this since its antithetical to Americanism but we can't prvent it either(for the same reason).
If you really want men to be men and change things quickly, then support Daesh/ISIS/ISIL/IS and their allies. Why? Because they're bringing down the order every time we don't protect fake borders. Yeah, not the advice you wanted to hear you faggot foreigner.
>>61068418 >A. get off the internet Yeah, but ISIS is on the internet and they're acting like real men. Your argument is bullshit since you're trying to make a demand that can't be done just so you can justify being a pussy.
>>61068538 >stop thinking in terms of what is le manly and what isnt, thats a start Correct. All you really need to do is oppose the current status quo and you'll be fighting for that which is manly without even knowing it. A stable status quo opposes manliness because men like change
Its 2016 for fucks sakes, you can't support the failed status quo like its 2000
>>61087556 Just join the Islamic State you Greek faggot. Fascism will never work because you'll be too scared to do the things that must be done(terrorism) in order to bring it about without it being crushed. If fags like you became ISIS terrorists, then we Americans could sit back and watch Europe burn with glee.
I don't support terrorists since America itself, as an idea and not its current status quo, is dynamic and can be expansive(in space where we're not shitting on our own principals by conquering land with people on it). The Old World can't even get into space very well and thus only terrorism can make things change in the land of dead babies and social welfare.
>>61091681 >>61091866 ...Or maybe I can become a mentor for this generation's children and teach them values that stray away from the status quo, instead of not joining an extremeist group filled with illguided and uneducated barbarians that kill in the name and exploitation of Islam.
>>61067812 A war. Not a cop out like iraq/afganistan, an actual full scale war between western euro nations. The famine/lack of medicine and the general selective nature of war will flush all the useless and unhealthy males from society. Then you are left with a male population of chads. Though of course has to be repeated every generation.
>>61092266 >...Or maybe I can become a mentor for this generation's children and teach them values that stray away from the status quo, instead of not joining an extremeist group filled with illguided and uneducated barbarians that kill in the name and exploitation of Islam.
1) You're an American so you don't need to become a terrorist. We can expand into space. Support NASA and the colonization(and private ownership of) our Moon and our planets. We're an expansive power and there's no moon indians for us to feel bad about subjuating. 2) Old worlders have to support terrorists since its the only way THEY can break the status quo. Old worlders can't be educated to oppose it when any opposition is fruitless without suicide bombings(i.e. the weapon of the non-status-quo against the developed status quo). 3) When we go back to expansion with new frontiers(planets), then we will forever have a manly society because we won't stop expanding. There won't be a fucking pacific ocean to stop us. Terrorism is unnecessary in America but essential in the Old World if you want change.
These aren't popular arguments but I think they're true.
>>61067812 Never taking shits only give shits, don't even take a shit if you don't have to.
But seriously, Stop giving credibility to numales, just brush them off like they aren't there.
simply detect and dodge SJWs and focus your test on available women who don't mind a little aggression.
Read up on your Stoicism and stop wasting time with idle pursuits
Stop sperging out and chanting 1488 every time you have to confront niggers, just let them show their retarded antics while keeping a cool head and bigger gains (note, you should probably get some gains and if you got 'em get more)
Also, if you ever by some miracle manage to reproduce, take your family somewhere a little more remote and keep your children far from TV and the Internet. If you want rough men, you gotta raise rough children.
>>61086191 >But you can be masculine without doing a "manly" job, so it literally doesn't matter. Doing a job to try to be more manly is childish. Sounds like bullshit... >Tom Ford is masculine Confirmed for 1,000,000% bullshit
HE'S LITERALLY A FAGGOT
LIKE, HE LITERALLY FUCKS A MAN
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
DOES "RICHARD" SOUND LIKE A FUCKING CHICK'S NAME TO YOU
>>61092712 >>61092694 >>61092667 Quit being reactionaries. You have to create a set of conditions that will make manlyness the default strategy. This is why foreingers who want to be manly might as well become terrorists: its the only way that manlyness can become the default strategy as the borders that have cucked the 3rd world will be torn down(see Iraqistan and Syria), Europe will have to actually defend itself especially when there are hundreds of millions of refugees and Europe's necolonial shit(climate change cuckery against the 3rd world giving Europe control over their resources) gets fucked up, and lastly, the chaos that is created will cause a chain reaction where borders dissolve in much of the world and neo-nationalism starts a brewin.
Or you can just be a fag or a fruitless reactionary.
Face it faggots, when the Islamic State kicks off a 2nd 30 Years' War, America will be unable to uphold its post-WW2 pro-borders principals and will be forced into isolation. In isolation, it'll only be through the conquest of space that we will survive. This'll make dead astronauts and high NASA budgets justifiable while the rest of the world is on fire. The Rise of ISIS and its corresponding chaos will cause a new golden age in American space travel. The Moon belongs to us, we just need President Trump to parse it up and give all American citizens(and many future ones) plots of land on the Moon.
>>61092844 You're coming with us, Jew. Israel is doomed eventually since it lives off the post-war status quo but we Americans care enough about ya'll that we'll give you a new Israel on every planet we conquer.
>That desire to be "masculine" nowdays is actually a disguised desire to please to women and to please to others.
CONFIRMED C.U.C.K. WHO DOESN'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT BEING A MAN IS ABOUT
My desire to be "masculine" is basically this - my desire to be doing physically taxing things, my desire for society not to complain when lads do laddy things, when lads take charge, take control, when we pay for the girl on a night out (as it always should be), when we want to be the breadwinner of the family (literally you are not a man if you are not the main breadwinner of your family), etc.
>And don't forget that that "manly / masculine" man is actually being sold to you. They're fueling you with visions of what you SHOULD BE according to them.
You're a fucking idiot.
Are you telling me that this man was some pathetic snivelling cuck who had an "idea" of masculinity "sold to him", and he was just pathetically feigning this facade his entire life, to please other people?
You literally don't know a single fucking thing about life
>>61094178 Nah. He's right. Masculinity is purely something that comes across in someone's voice, their mannerisms, their behaviour etc. How you carry yourself. If you are masculine, you would take control naturally, you wouldn't desire to take control.
>>61068237 Satan wants to corrupt the world by switching gender roles. A woman's role, and where she is most happy and loving, is working for her family in her home, cooking, cleaning, making clothes, being AN HELPER OF MAN. That is why God created women, their raison d'etre is literally to help men, more specifically their husband and their children. Any woman who does not do this is an abomination to the LORD. Satan wants to give women a false sense of empowerment to enslave them and ruin societies
>>61094425 That interview with some woman was the best.
>Blatantly trying to make him look like a cuck and backpedal because it's 1989 people >"You said once how you think it's fine for a man to strike a woman, do you still feel that way?" >"Yes" >"W-what?" >"I said if she gets out of hand and needs a slap to know her place so be it"
>>61094551 You can unlearn beta tells. You can make it your instinct but it takes time.
Sometimes just having more than women want to get with you is enough to make you act masculine naturally. Some observations of mine for success >Don't apologize >Rarely ask for things >Never show pain, sadness, or petty anger >Always have a front of mastery. Even for instance if you've never ice skated, you should challenge her that you are better. Or better yet, have actual skills.
salvation is available to everyone who repent and accept Him as their savior. funny thing is that even though its THIS simple many would still fall to the hands of the devil. you can literally say who would go to eternal damnation.
>Vote Conservative [+10 Intelligence] >Get a real job in a steel mill [+20 Strength] >Get rough, calloused hands [-100 Femininity] >Acquire a smoking jacket [+10 Hard-Boiledness] >Smoke Cuban cigars [+15 Appearance] >Get in at least one barfight per year [+10 Roughness] >Carry an Altoids-tin survival kit [+5 Preparedness] >Build a mid-century ranch house [+500 Carpentry] >Fly an American Flag on a pole [+100 Patriotism] >Get a traditional housewife [+10 Tradition] >Have a son and a daughter [+50 Family-Man] >Get a Golden Retriever [+10 Companionship] >Name him Rusty [+1 Relatable] >Play catch with your son [+1 Best Dad Ever] >Get him on the baseball team [+1000 American Dream]
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