>>61055553 >self-govern and immune to all US laws nah, from what i've seen it seems like a bureaucratic mess. the ones who want to not live in poverty or be alcoholic messes get off the reservation, hopefully
For one, it's not like they were some established prominent state, they were disbanded tribe of savages, whom clashed amongst themselves, and had no intentions of befriending any white men from the get go.
Secondly, they hadn't contributed shit to the land, and we had contributed more in 10 years of colonization than they did their whole tenure of North America!
And lastly, all the dicks have been killing Native American savages since the land has existed. Spain, France, England, and America.
They're a savage race that was taken over by conquerors. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just not fashionable anymore. Somehow dismantling our own culture and handing it over to immigrants is though. Strange times we live in.
They're a weaker race. They were conquered. If they were smarter and stronger they'd still be around today, but they're not. Like you wrote, nothing can be done. It's Darwinism at it's finest. Even still today, they destroy themselves with substance abuse. Their kind just wasn't meant to survive modern society.
>>61055899 And there you go. They don't give a shit anymore. They're content to just lounge around in their casino-vations, drawing welfare checks and drinking themselves to death.
>>61055933 This is something I always like to point out to people who cry about colonialism. The Native Americans and the Africans and the Chinese and Indians and everyone else who got "invaded" had just as much time to build their civilization as the Europeans did. You look at the abundant riches of North America and Africa and you want to tell me they couldn't have?
They were just content to sit around and do their own thing. And then the Spaniards came over and decided that it was their clay now.
It's not a matter of "giving a fuck about your native Americans." The government gave us reservations. To begin with, many were hell holes. But the people who lived there had purpose and made due.
Then the indian casino industry was born. Reservations being basically sovereign land within the US had the right to give the okay to gambling and did so.
This meant that in addition to an already very healthy welfare system. (1 or 2k a month plus food and housing assistance.) They now had casinos sending checks 2-3 times a year, in some cases of 5k-8k.
Now most natives have more than enough income but not a damn thing to do with it. No point in working because food and shelter is provided. Lots of native children leave, never to return. We're slowly aging out.
We just get drunk everyday while we wait.
Much like the blacks, there is nothing uncle Sam can do to make us change our culture and it will be the end of us.
>>61055600 I'm half native and my mom is full. Natives only seem like these magical nature wizards because of media. Most natives are lazy drunk assholes. I know another half native kid and he recently went to prison for beating the living shit out of his girlfriend for some dumbshit reason.
>>61055406 Cause they were just stone age Siberians. I love how history was rewritten to paint them as a homogenous group of peaceful hippies. People act like the "natives" lived like shit because they chose to, not because they were stupid
>>61055933 >For one, it's not like they were some established prominent state, they were disbanded tribe of savages, whom clashed amongst themselves, and had no intentions of befriending any white men from the get go. Maybe you should look up the Cherokee Nation
>and had no intentions of befriending any white men from the get go. Yet the Pilgrams befriended the Wampanoag from the get go
>Secondly, they hadn't contributed shit to the land, and we had contributed more in 10 years of colonization than they did their whole tenure of North America! Like what, deforestation and killing the soil with over production of tobacco to send back to Europe, introducing wild pigs, disease. I guess you forget that natives selectively breed corn and potatos into being and harvested rice, tomatoes, cacao, and vanilla.
Not to mention broken treaties by the US.
You have some points, but your sweeping generalizations are incorrect.
>>61056736 I liked it though. I am really looking for The vvitch. I don't knw it was shown in sunddance film festival in feb 2015 but releasing in U.S in feb 2016. But some coutries have it released like brazil. you got any link? Here is the trailer
>>61056779 Forget about it. Natives have been neutered and it's a completely neutral outcome. Likewise if every arab, african, or slav just dropped dead right now the world wouldn't suffer a bit. Their presence on Earth is one of two things. Either their just along for the ride and useless or they're actively damaging the growth of Earthling society. Only white and asian people have ever bettered this world on the whole and if they were the only cultures to leave the Sol system the universe would be better off.
The sad truth is that all three of those things are true at the same time. The reservations are shit and most indians are mostly drunk and ungrateful. The smart ones leave the reservations, the ones with money start the casinos. There isn't much hope for indians, by our own admission we are our own worst enemy, probably because (much like the niggers) we find it hard to survive in a society and a culture that we didn't help to create. There is no place for the indian in society, therefore the indian is found nowhere in society.
>>61056525 Wrong. Certain tribes were very friendly with whites before the country was even a country. I think you're assuming the war of 1812 was a reflection on white/native relations for the "countries" entire existence.
I actually live in alabama and know a bit about the Cherokees.
What great and lasting contributions have they made for America sir?
>Wampanoags befriended by pilgrims "befriended" ? You mean they gave food to them in return for maize?
>Implying you can justify of 10,000 years and your greatest achievements be bow&arrows and teepees
Even if british colonies were shit initially, America itself is only 250 years old, and look in this short time what we've done. Become the worlds largest superpower, and essentially the world's peacekeepers/police. And made english the international lingua franca
>>61056362 You realize the Powhatan started the indian wars with the Virginia colony right? It was like Pearl Harbor, they massacred 10% of the colony's population without warning. Indians were fucking niggers and they shot first.
>>61057014 Yep. Pretty much. My mom left the rez first shot she got and I couldn't be happier. I have no idea how much worse my life would be if I lived on one, but I can guarantee it wouldn't be as good as it has living in a majority white city.
>>61056982 Sad truth is that I know a tribe that gets a ridiculous amount of per cap every month. Plus usually a set amount of money after turning 18 I think. One of my friends bought a camaro our senior year of high school.
>>61056779 You're an idiot. >>61056032 To get rid of the rest of you for one. As long as you all remain people will start various conflicts back up about win the vain of what was done. I have nothing personal against you but in the name of peace people would benefit more if you didn't exist. The same could be said about all the races and it would be as equally true. If there were only one people such conflicts would be considerably less of a problem.
>>61055406 Yeah native americans got really fucked over. They didnt even get any land deals really. But still, we're talking kill or be killed pioneering days where you were cold and pissed off most of the time and lived till your 45
>>61057014 Anglos and Colonials before, during and after the Revolutionary War were habitually insanely drunk. Read Jacob Sullum's Saying Yes, the chapter on alcohol. They were also driven to try to improve themselves and to learn new technologies. Indians generally see disruptive change as uncomplicated moral evil.
Niggers are only around today (In America) for the same reason we didn't ship them all back to their tribes - because being a bleeding heart liberal is politically advantageous.
Also no one wants to colonize Africa and wipe those niggers out cause of the pretty animals. No one gives a fuck about the humans who live there. Africans, as far as not being totally killed off as a race, are lucky. Despite their best genocidal efforts within their own race, they're still around today.
Prairie niggers have more freedom than the average American, and they get all the help from the government than they want. For instance in Oklahoma you need to carry a tribal card to get a decent middle class job.
There are millions more prairie niggers than there were before we came, and although a few have adapted to civilization most are still savages. Not as bad as abbos, but still pretty shit.
>>61057285 Fun fact: the Kariba dam, largest in the world, will probably collapse in the next two years- killing about 4 million niggers. This is because they neglected maintenance on it for the 36 years they've controlled Rhodesia and despite having enough money to start repairs now, haven't- probably because they embezzled all of it.
>>61056542 I live in Appalachia and the reservation is 30 minutes from my house. I went to school with Indians.
They are drunks, usually. It's sad; a lot of people here have developed excessive racial pride because their culture is so shit.
Many still keep the traditions alive, with shamanic traditions. Very few non-Indians are able to join those ranks if any. Some teachers go to the reservation high school and teach Cherokee language in order to keep it alive. They have their own newspaper, the street signs are written in Cherokee as well as English.
They're tourist-oriented. All you see in the main town is shop after shop of "homemade Cherokee items" for a couple bucks a piece.
They've recently implemented a new policy, 30 extra minutes of break at work for exercise. Many of them are big. Even worse is most of them don't give a shit any more.
A handful of Indians will shoot white men if they're on the wrong side of the fence. There's a certain area in the backwoods of the reservations called Big Cove where NO one goes. Bad shit tends to happen. First time driving up there with buddies we saw a woman on the side of the road waving a shirt in the air. Weird shit.
As far as the normal ones' character...they're very close to one another. They're also extremely friendly. Thinking about it they really are some of the most laid back, level-headed people I've ever met. Very protective as well.
I can tell that you're clearly the superior race here. I have a masters degree, you can't even spell or articulate your retarded opinions. But yeah, society would be much better if you ran it. Definitely.
>>61057344 >Huntsville space and rocket center >Integral NASA space program started in Huntsville alabama during inception circa 1950's >yfw without alabama we would not have landed on the moon or made it into space. >and btw this was all done by a nazi scientist we stole from germany after world war 2
>>61056991 LMAO without them our ancestors would've had a fucking hard time conquering and making a living here. It was hell for europeans, don't underestimate the help they got from the natives. Even though there was fighting times too.
I give a fuck. Liberals "give a fuck" then attack the tribes even more when they do something that might actually help them not starve. The DEA destroys their hemp crops every year, meanwhile a bunch of American farmers are hijacking the industry a few years later. The anti-racists are the biggest racists of all, but what the fuck am I supposed to do about it? Americans are dumb and won't ever make the right choices in anything. All that's left is to do what I want personally while our idiot populace burn down our nation.
>>61055406 Real answer? Because they were cannibalistic fucks who would rather fight Europeans individually than assimilate into society. I mean in the long run it worked better for their descendants than any other natives of colonies. Black south Africans are still treated like shit but native Americans get free everything
I heard a lot of Indians live in the cities and not on the rez (they visit the rez though, because family and tribe and stuff). The ones on the rez are either trying to keep traditions alive by doing something, or doing nothing and being drunks.
Lets hope the ones doing good (for instance, some tribal members in MA are reviving their language based on texts likes a bible written in their language), or likeone tribe Ive read about that is taking to farming. Etc.
The guys on the rez are likely drunks because the productive ones live off the rez. And if you live in New Mexico or something, you will see a lot of beggars who say they are Navajo but who really are Mexicans trying to get sympathy points.
>>61058029 >(for instance, some tribal members in MA are reviving their language based on texts likes a bible written in their language) >white people are wasting time playing pretend in order to get the government to give them more money
>>61056232 > You look at the abundant riches of North America and Africa and you want to tell me they couldn't have?
>You look at the abundant riches of North America and Africa and you want to tell me they couldn't have? This is the exact reason that led to >They were just content to sit around and do their own thing.
living in the north forces you to long term plan, because if winter comes and you're empty handed, then you're shit out of luck.
You need good infrastructure like roads for when it snows.
You need good, solid homes to withstand the cold and keep you warm.
You need to invent ways to harness fire and energy to beat the element.
Versus: >yo jamal, nigga we need some houses >i go u tyrone dis lion shit and straw gets the job done And it literally did, because all they really needed was shade IF THAT
Meanwhile they could always kill and pick what they wanted to eat because it's warm at all times.
>>61058092 No bro. The majority were cannibalistic. Aztecs, Mayans, Algonquins, Huron, the entire Iroquois nation. Look up what Mohawk actually means. Disney is not an accurate portrayal of anything historic. Nature loving is not a very ignorant description.
Took years to recover. Note, I graduated college with a 3.69, it was 3.77 at its highest.
I watched fear and loathing. The ether scene made me want to get high.
It was an amazing high, hence why so many ppl huff until they die on the spot.
>that huffing sound on the gas can reverberating, the air conditioner/electronics whizzing, that tingling in your teeth. That instant dream world trip. Wanting more as soon as you start to come down. Throwing up to get sober. Tasting gas on your breath for hours.
>>61058210 Makes sense. >Last group of homos to settle down from the nomadic life style. >population estimated to be twice that of Europe and Africa by 1400ad >despite having as many population devastating wars and keeping cannibalistic religions longer.
Seriously the only reason there were so few by the 1600s was because they had a plague worse than anything in Europe that started exactly where the Vikings are suggested to have tried to settle.
They view colonialism like a football game. They always brag about how they #REKT treeniggers while gorging their fat asses on Thanksgiving like a bunch of goddamn ingrates. If you want to part in Gluttony fine, but stop doing under the false pretenses of being "thankful". Fucking queers.
>>61058659 I mean until you can provide proof, whose to say. But 150 years after this south traveling plague hit, another one went north after the Spanish... Soooooooo who knows why or how it started. But it is hypothesised the Vikings started a plague worse then what the Spanish did.
I live near a fuck ton of res' the first time I saw I was shocked at the level of self destruction just from the property. Every other houses burned down or boarded up. Trash everywhere. Brand new trucks and SUV's everywhere.
>>61059059 It's really a shame. One of the most BRILLIANT mind i've ever met was a native american, the only one i've ever seen at the uni in more than 8 years. But the guy was a genious, and he told me he felt many people in his native entourage were smarter than him, but were too fucked up in the head to pursue any kind of studies.
We care about them just enough to remember they existed and dress up like them on Halloween. Also some towns are named after them. I live in New Jersey though so they are basically no reservations around here.
I am Native Alaskan. Born and raised in a village w/ subsistence hunting, dog mushing, fur trapping, etc.Modern Native/Indian culture has a strong sense of nihilism because of how hard we got fucked, but this is changing since we are now actually allowed to be proud of our heritage.
Native Alaskans were still being forced into boarding schools till the 80's. The vast majority of our people died from disease introduced by white people and there are still many elders who remember disease sweeping through the village.
Yeah, one thing I keep hearing about American/Canadian/Alaska natives is that for many of them, times are shit, but much better than it used to be, but things are looking up now as things keep improving.
>>61059312 the ones who live on reserves have jew chiefs who take all of their money, and they spend half their time huffing gasoline and selling weed. reserve natives are degenerates even by a non meme definition. the ones who have decided to get out of that shithole are mostly alright though
>>61060079 >tfw you realize we are making all of these comments about "if x person isn't elected, our country is doomed" when right now every 1st world country and everyone in it is doing infinitely better than half the world, and there was a time period where people were dying at age 30 from diseases they didnt even know existed
hey, at least we aren't complaining about people misgendering us on the internet, right?
The problem with the descendants of the indigenous peoples of America (I dislike using the term "native American" to describe these people exclusively since literally everyone born in America is by definition a native American) is that they just can't let go of the fucking past. All they do is bitch about how their culture was taken and their land was taken and the white man screwed them over and this and that.
What, do these people think that if Columbus hadn't discovered that there was another continent between Europe and Asia that their whole civilization could have remained unchanged and intact into the 21st century? That the rest of the world would have continued developing and expanding, building highways and computers and satellites, and somehow this entire continent would have just gone completely unnoticed? That they would have just been able to keep on living in wigwams and teepees, hunting buffalo with bows and arrows, and the entire rest of the world would just go on about its business, without ever being curious what that giant dark spot on the map was?
Well, tough shit. The tribes indigenous to the land mass that is currently called America have a point when they say that they were not treated fairly by the US government. But that's kind of how conquest works. The superior conquering force gets to make the rules. That's why it's usually a good idea to secure your borders and invest in a strong military, so you don't get invaded by conquerors who want your land and resources and don't give a shit about your human rights. Play a game of Civilization some time; see what happens if you're still trying to fight wars with ancient-era technologies in the nineteenth century.
The problem with these people is they can’t manage to let go of the past and live in the current era. All they do is sit around and rage about how their land was stolen. First of all, these people didn’t even have a concept of land ownership at the time they were conquered, and they didn’t have a property inheritance concept either, so their descendants’ claim on the land is baseless to begin with. Second, land ownership at this point doesn’t mean shit. What the hell would they do with their land even if they got it back? They don’t even do anything with the land they do have. Just having land doesn’t necessarily do anything for you; you can buy a parcel of land in the middle of nowhere for practically nothing. However, if you can’t develop it or grow something on it or do something with it it’s essentially worthless.
The problem with the indigenous tribes is that they simply can’t come to terms with the fact that they fought a war and they lost. To make matters worse, they completely refuse to adapt to the reality of the world they currently live in. They just sit around on reservations being angry at people who’ve been dead for centuries.
If you’re an Indian, or a native, or an indigenous tribesman, or whatever the fuck you want to be called, and you’re reading this right now, here’s my advice: go to college. Get a job. Get off the reservation and do something with your life. Whatever your culture might have been once, it’s gone and it’s not coming back. You want land? Save up a little money and buy some, for fuck’s sake. Start a business. Do something. You can hang on to that whole pissed-off Indian mentality if you want. It’s an exploitable minority status; you can milk the shit out of it and get all sorts of grants and gibsmedats that you can put toward a college degree or a business or anything you want. Be smart.
Fuck, I spend too much time on this board. I'm going to bed.
That is really what gets my blood boiling about the PC movement. It's really bad for me because I am fair skinned and I have blue eyes. I just look like a tan white person, and I have had SJW's give me shit for talking about race issues. I've literally had to show them my tribal ID to get them to believe I am way more minority and a specialer snow flake than them.
>>61060450 Because saying "I'm ______-American!" is literally special snowflake faggotry. I'd rather identify as just an American, I'd rather be counted among my countrymen than among the welfare queens and alcoholics that happen to be in my lineage.
>>61060368 > All they do is bitch about how their culture was taken and their land was taken
Imagine someone coming to your home, taking your children, and sending them to a Muslim school where they are forced to learn Arabic and practice Islam. This wasn't something happening in the 1800s in Alaska. This was happening until the 1980s.
>The problem with these people is they can’t manage to let go of the past and live in the current era. All they do is sit around and rage about how their land was stolen.
No one in the village complains about white people. We complain about people from outside the village trying to tell us how to live our life. This "Whitey took our land" meme literally never happened at any tribal meeting I've been to.
>go to college. Get a job.
I did. For free. Get fucked.
>Whatever your culture might have been once, it’s gone and it’s not coming back.
Okay whitey. Stop worshipping Vikings or your 1/100th French ancestors first.
>>61060368 >Whatever your culture might have been once, it’s gone and it’s not coming back.
Here is the secret, Native culture hasn't disappeared because the natives are still there, everyone moves on with the times and every culture changes. American culture from 100 years ago for every American is dead, or rather evolved into today, not just the Indians.
There is no magic date where Indian culture stops being 'inauthentic' simply because they don't hunt from horseback everyday and speak English. (Some individuals may still hunt from horseback, and by God that's awesome). Likewise, speaking their native languages is not backwards either.
>>61061417 If he is in Scotland, than of course he is Scottish.
If it is an American citizen talking about lineage or ancestry, that is also fine. I don't omit being native, I just don't tout it as being my sole identity.
The line is drawn when you're saying you identify as a Scot over identifying as an American when you're an American citizen. It is utter faggotry. It's like how Jews don't integrate because they're so wrapped up in being fucking Jews.
I am Native and proud of it. Just like I am proud to be from the greatest country to ever exist.
Maybe you would take more pride in your Native ancestry if you actually did anything Native. Have you ever dog mushed, fur trapped, made an igloo, worked a fish wheel, etc? I am sure you have done all the cool American shit which is why you identify with it so strongly.
There is literally nothing wrong with enjoying your heritage. What makes America great is that I can have my own culture and still be American.
>>61061795 Right, I don't consider myself white. I'm native through and through, I've just done more with my life than for my race to be my sole point of pride. Above all other things, I'm a combat infantryman and a Bronze Star recipient.
>>61061800 My people don't do a lot of that shit, fool, wrong side of the country. But yes, I've participated in tribe stuff like glass eel fishing and hunting and whatnot. I never said I completely reject my heritage, I just said I am more than my race.
>>61055406 They still have their own land, with their own special laws, and still get money from the government just for being Indian. They're smart because they know this, and don't make any fuss about it unlike so many others.
Source, I live right next to many Indian lands, and know many good Indians. Few of them are dumb enough to complain.
>>61055406 We do faget. Core tenets of military doctrine still survive today learned directly from the fucking redskins, you can't trip without falling into some park, river, lake, township, or county named by the fucking bead niggers. The red man chose a death on his fucking feet against a force so advanced and powerful that they had no chance of ever winning an open conflict against it. Americans heaped glory on their first protectorate for daring to stand and fight against them. Do you know what happens to lesser enemies in human history? They culture is ground to dust instead of known across the conquering nation.
>>61062310 Vastly different cultures. Indians from California have some common culture links to Indians from North Carolina, but Native Alaskans are just so different they have their own classification. We have a fair amount in common with the northern coastal tribes in Canada and some common links with Sami's.
>>61055406 Why would we care about those who not only actively chose to resist assimilation into the more powerful society, but un unitedly fought it and attacked it, encouraging and furthering the devision and hatred there in. Provoking war over and over as the more rapidly growing and increasingly powerful society pushed out instead of peace.
Why, OP, should we care about the cannibals and savages who choose to remain and fester in the dark primal life style even after wester civilization showed them the light.
Idk man but they have free college now and their own vast territory's where they can do what ever they want. They have the worst gambling ratios the world has ever seen and make out indignantly well from those. They can vote too.
>>61055406 >giving a fuck about prairie niggers OP plz, they are to us as abos are to aussies, theres a very good reason why andrew jackson went out of his way to cane the shit outta them. the only people who legitimately give half a rats ass about a prairie nigger has never lived nearby one.
I tried once, but then I met some. They were all dirty, bitter assholes that blamed every single white person for their problems. I remember one family getting their animals taken away because of their living conditions and not being fed well. Overall neglected, and it was taken as a personal attack purely because they were native american, not because their animals were seriously living in a shit hole and being poorly treated.
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