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Why is Snowden considered a traitor again?
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It just seems like someone who went to the trouble of revealing an extremely secret surveillance program that was ruled unconstitutional by our judicial system isn't a traitor by even the most lax interpretations. Granted, an explicit legal challenge to the NSA (as opposed to just saying their bulk phone surveillance is unconstitutional) is still underway, however the crux of the argument has already been more or less settled: the NSA is violating the constitution, Snowden had no choice of where to run, and StateSec bootlickers like Cruz, Trump and Rubio are sockpuppets who will only succeed in selling us out even more. The most important of the cases being brought against the NSA is probs this one: https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-v-clapper-challenge-nsa-mass-call-tracking-program

Anyway...

"Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/07/nsa-phone-records-program-illegal-court

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
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>>61050050
Oh, and Shillary too. Although she's more swallowing the boot than just licking the sole, imo.

>Oh, and before anyone mentions "muh proper channels" for whistle blowers, I dare you to look up what happened to Tom Drake, Bill Binney, Kirk Wiebe, and Ed Loomis when they did the same.
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Everyone who didn't blow the whistle on this shit is a commie and a traitor. Blows my mind when righties that are supposed to value the fucking constitution can't see this for what it is. Jesus Christ nut up and fight for your rights you pussies.
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>>61050050
Because he didn't blow any whitsles. He leaked information regarding a LEGAL government spying program. If you want to stop it, contact your representative. They are the ones who allowed the NSA to do this stuff in the first place.
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>>61051492
>contact the people being spied on 24/7 by the NSA so they'll reign in the NSA

Did you think this spying was directed at you, a prole? No, it's aimed at members of the Party.
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>>61050050
Because he went to Russia.
And he didn't just give them info on the unconstitutional spying.
He gave them EVERYTHING HE HAD.
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>>61050050
That fucking faggot tried to roll our government and put the cuckiest coalition in power.

Fuck Snowden, I hope he hangs

What the fuck was he doing meddling in New Zealand's business anyways?
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THIS LINE IS TAPPED, SO I MUST BE BRIEF.
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He is a traitor. He may have had good intentions, and it could be that something good came from what he did, but that doesn't mean he didn't do the crime.
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>>61050050
OP, have you read Ellsberg's bpok Secrets?
The government consistently does not know what it is doing. Insofar as it has any consciousness, it only wants evil things.
Seriously, the thing that made Ellsberg decide to release the Pentagon Papers was seeing how everyone making decisions for the Vietnam War was not only perfectly insulated from the consequences of those decisions, they were insulated from the data!
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>>61050050
You do see these idiots like yeb and kasich arguing for backdoors into encryption protocols or just the mass hand over of all private keys?

They are literally retarded luddites. They have no skills and no perspective. It is obvious that they will call Snowden a traitor within this context.
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>>61051770
Or this: the same insulated establishment aliens who call Snowden a traitor also think starting a war with Putin is a good idea.
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>>61051870
Exactly like you said. They are effectively insulated from all consequences. They live in lala land.
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>>61052060
I started to call them illiterate yahoos, which is an old meme from Mencken's day meant to talk up a college education and a city apartment. Also just plain inaccurate in their case. We must talk up their insulation. "Establishment Alien" is too clumsy a phrase for memecraft. Bubbler?
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>>61050050
He's based. I don't care if what he did was treason. He told me I was being spied on, and I likely wouldn't have found out without someone like him.

He's well-spoken and stands by his values. He gave a TED talk, and then the head guy at NSA gave a response talk, and the NSA guy came off sounding like a fucking retard.
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>>61053136
This.

Politicians call him a traotor because he told the truth on what they were doing to us

Cant stop a terrorist attack with all this spying, but know my purchase history and porn habits.
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I don't consider him a traitor. Hell, if somebody from my own country went out in a public and told of the horrible shit our government's up to, I'd be glad for the information.
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>>61050050

He has leaked numerous spying programs that have nothing to do with violating the constitution, including info about how the U.S. spies on China.

That is fucking treason. It has nothing to do with civil liberties in America. He has caused massive damage to legitimate espionage programs.
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>>61050050
>Why is Snowden considered a traitor again?
republicans. 'nuf said
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>>61050050
He is not the democrat party wants to kill him for revealing thier plans Trump I doubt has not looked too far into it his own colleagues at NSA and other Letter agencies are fighting a Shadow war against evil forces in their own companies theres alot of informational warfare going on.


We cannot expect Trump to know everything.
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>>61053458
>Snowden: "I carefully evaluated every single document I disclosed to ensure that each was legitimately in the public interest. There are all sorts of documents that would have made a big impact that I didn't turn over. [...] "I have to screen everything before releasing it to journalists ... If I have time to go through this information, I would like to make it available to journalists in each country."

>In June 2014, the NSA's recently installed director, U.S. Navy Admiral Michael S. Rogers, stated that while some terrorist groups had altered their communications to avoid surveillance techniques revealed by Snowden, the damage done was not significant enough to conclude that "the sky is falling."

He did more good than harm.
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>>61053733
That and probably because I a foreigner now know how your Nation's security system works but I am friendly... luckily alot of others are not so savvy and such information falling into an evil-doers hands is wrong.. like Clinton.
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>>61053733
>>61053784

They also want to kill me too.
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>>61050050
>get hacked by China
>get hacked by Russia
>get hacked no problem
"kek no big deal guise 'merica right? like #1"

It's not like these foreign faggots didn't know half of this stuff already anyways. He was doing a service to the American people. I'm with Cruz on this one.

Also, daily reminder, Trump hates Snowden.
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>>61053874
Interesting, because Putin is actually a big fan of Trump and Snowden.
>"Russia is not the kind of a country that extradites human rights champions."
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>>61050050
Snowden has yet to expose one single thing that was illegal under US statute at the time.

Putin payed him off to leak US espionage techniques to the international press, cucking and emasculating US intelligence.

I guess supporting treason makes you a good libertarian, but it sure as hell doesnt make you a patriot.
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>>61050050
>Why is Snowden considered a traitor again?
Because he exposed top secret documents out to the public which plenty of enemies got their hands on.
By definition that is a traitor.
Also his contract most definitely lists that as treason as well
Legally he needs to be proceuted as he broke the law.
Do I like him for exposing a fuckton of stuff after no longer being able to remain silent? Fuck yes
'He is however just in as much violation of the law as a teacher fucking their student. You agreed upon rules when signing on and you broke them therefore you need to be punished for breaking them plain and simple
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>>61053850
speaking of which.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8HetoUT4OE
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BAN ENCRYPTION
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>>61051492
How could you contact your representative and ask them to stop the NSA spying program without even knowing it existed?
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>>61050050
if he hadnt exposed the data collection, maybe more intel on aloha snackbars had been gathered.
just saying..
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Anyone who has seriously read about the Snowden revelations doesn't consider him a traitor. Anything you see otherwise is either an autist or cointel pros.
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>>61057963
Too bad the vast majority of the data being collected is on US citizens who've done nothing other than use their phones or the internet...just saying.

>>61058123
At least someone gets it

>>61054237
Waitwaitwait, so exposing illegal spying programs makes him a traitor because they were secretly illegal?

If I were to hypothetically expose a secret plan wherein American citizens are having their guns "stolen" by the US government (for no reason other than keeping America safe), I'm a traitor?

wut.
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>>61061387
>exposing illegal spying programs makes him a traitor because they were secretly illegal?

He never exposed anything illegal under US law, only spying on foreign soil which were illegal there. However, all spying in foreign countries is illegal, and always has been.

Just accept the fact that your golden libertarian calf is a stone-cold traitor. There's no difference between what he did and what the Rosenbergs did, and he deserves the same reward they got.
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Snowden's not a traitor. You idiots acting all surprised that you were being monitored when it's been happening not just by the NSA.

-Facebook stores your data and sells it to corporations
-Google stores your phone data and sells it to corporations
-Apple stores your phone and mac data and sells it to corporations

Its been happening since for fucking ever but youre all riled up about it.

Now they stopped making phones with removable batteries so they can track you all they want even when your phone is off.
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>>61062083
I take it you didn't read the article, which explicitly stated a US court had found that parts of the NSA bulk data collection in use within the US were unconstitutional...

On the other hand, if he'd revealed purely foreign intelligence gathering schemes (which he didn't really care about compared to the domestic ones), this would be a far different conversation.
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