>>61035542 It's an inflated GDP. Government has to pay for their shelter, their food, give them allowances, etc. It doesn't provide anything for the average citizen's life. It's another "rich get richer at the expense of the average citizen" scenario.
Personally I see the value in free migration because I know a lot of people in the developed west feel like they are having mass immigration forced on them when it's so hard for them to just up and leave for another country.
It would give people a chance to go where they wish and try and make their mark there and create an abundance of new opportunities etc.
I also see the concern people who like nation states would have. It would completely decimate the way of life of people who have pride in their nation and like borders which create distinct national identities and cultures.
Some countries would still suffer more than others, and we'd go through decades of painful transition as the developed nations would bear the brunt, I mean look at Germany when it opened its arms.
But eventually, as there's a painful transition, I think a lot of people from developed nations would find happiness elsewhere.
I know for a start a fuck load of people from here would head to Australia and New Zealand.
Weebs would go to Japan and teach English.
Then there's Canada etc.
Yeah I can see it would work, I can just see all the pain and tension it would create.
>>61037706 I think there is potential with developed nations, yeah absolutely.
It would create a lot more economic cohesion anyway.
I mean, as much as we hate it, globalization is unlikely to go away. But one of the problems with globalization right now is our restrictive movement of people. Can't really have a global economy and cage populations with borders.
>>61035542 >what is GDP per capita If a country were to have no borders, the resulting flood of immigrants would definitely increase the country's GDP, but lower the GDP per capita. GDP per capita is all that really matters pham.
>>61035542 Economists usually downplay the added costs of crime associated with immigration. Illegal abortion is a perfect example of this, as it has similar impacts as immigration to a society. Furthermore, there is also too many distorted incentives to make free migration a good thing; namely welfare states incentivize the wrong kind of immigrants to come to your society and you end up with leeches instead of hard-working immigrants.
>>61035542 There is an assumption that all immigrants are harmonious, peaceful, skilled, and hard working in economics. It does not take into social costs or clash of cultures. That exacts a social and economic toll that is not taken account.
>>61036107 if the government is buying that, then it gets added to GDP. Transfers only refer to a transfer of income. So my tax decreases my income, and increases anothers income, thus net 0 effect. For example the baker bakes a loaf of bread, then the government buys that to give to rapefugees, that goes into that guys income. Thus, it would be a part of GDP. Looks like you failed econ 101
>>61035542 Free migration of skilled people, maybe. But we already have that, more or less. Anyone can immigrate pretty much anywhere if valuable enough and can speak the local language. In fact the richer the place is, the more it needs those people, since the locals tend to be sterile, incompetent fucks. (Looking at you, sandniggers.)
The reality of it is that economists are pretty much paid shills who push whatever agenda their masters want them to push. Of course the elites like the idea of free migration, it lowers the cost of labor and distracts the local populations from more pressing matters.
Make no mistake, it might generate more money but you would never see it. The only thing you would see is the beauty of different cultures reduced to a global swamp of celebrity worship and gossip magazine culture.
They also tell us that Brain drain fucks over developing countries, so I'm assuming that when you say "The world" you mean "The first world will exploit the third world even harder and keep even more moolah for itself".
The left is promoting open borders as a tool to advance their agenda. They want to hand out welfare to immigrants, make them a pet voting block, and dilute the culture and politics of Americans here. This can, of course, be mitigated in society which allows (mostly) free migration as it did in the past, but the game has changed.
no, it's true. there is an economic model out there that demonstrates that if literally all limitations on migration were removed (not just governmental limitations, but also economic, social and geographical limitations), then world GDP would multiply by a factor of 2 or 3.
What these economists DON'T tell you is that the way that the increase is achieved, is by having 95% of the population of less developed countries (4.7 billion people) migrating to more developed countries (2.3 billion people) and tripling the population of every developed country on earth, with the unwashed shitskin invaders outnumbering natives 2:1, while also dragging wages in those countries down to about half of what they currently are.
They also don't mention that over 50% of this increase in GDP would go into the pockets of wealth owning capitalists, and not to laborers.
Mind you, this is not a product of my own research. This is the data produced by the model that the economists who support this idea of opening borders to increase GDP.
So, if you support the concept of destroying the culture of the existing developed countries, and also support the concept of consolidating power into international banking conglomerations, then you should support opening all borders!! Yay globalization!
I don't want OP to be banned. I want him to continue posting this thread so that I can continue to explain just how right he is.
>>61053584 >if you support the concept of destroying the culture of the existing developed countries, and also support the concept of consolidating power into international banking conglomerations, then you should support opening all borders!! Yay globalization!
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