WHERE IS THE MARKET CRASH THREAD USA DESTRUCTION FOLLOWING CHINA

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IDSBHAHNBING

What's happening exactly please explain it to me.

>>60028981
Bernie Sanders is happening

>>60028981
chinas markets shit themselves

Market hasn't opened and public data is delayed 15 minutes

also it's not a fucking happening, it's just a slump market, the happening will start in the middle of the day and they'll pretend to have no idea what it is so they can shut the market and claim they thought it was a technical error, then let it start again and hope they delayed the panic enough that the downturn is slow and doesn't make the front page

stop shilling, Israel's about to go to war no one wants to read your slide shit

is china still trying to have the biggest economy in the world? because i think they're doing it wrong

Why should I even care by this point? The world's gone to shit and we can't do anything to reverse what's happened, the damage has been done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jlBjyxnwlU

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LOL 5 SECONDS DOWN 100 POINTS

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DOWN 200 FIRST MINUTE

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DOWN 250!

>>60028891

It's down less than the futures were; 350 versus 280 now.

Wait until the end of day, you may see some serious selling when hedge funds have to close positions to balance their books

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DOWN 300

tanks in 30 minutes

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DOWN 330

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DOWN 350!

>>60028891
>USA destruction.

Kek. Every time. China can't collect on the US debts because the US has no money to repay them. China can't go to war to enforce the debt collection because the economy and infrastructure China has spent decades developing will get absolutely destroyed by one of the largest bilateral forces in history.

So China will sit back and take it as always. But I'll be sure to buy an extra cheap plastic product today, just for them.

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>>60028891

>>60028891
Let's slide this slide thread.

>>60029016
>Bernie Sanders is happening
like he happened in his boyfriend's bed last night?

>>60029054
Welp

>>60029413
>I'll be sure to buy an extra cheap plastic product today, just for them.

we should start buying them en masse and launching them into space just to keep these chinks working hard for nothing

I think this proves we need Hillary, she will reveal information about UFO s and will open up new technology as well as offer FREE high speed WiFi for every United States Citizen

>>60029413

Also the US has never missed a payment to China and there's no such thing as "collecting their debts" they bought bonds with set payouts they don't get to demand anything early

China can't launch a war on the US until a megathrust earthquake on Cascadia knocks out the coast, they absolutely have to establish a foothold on North America south of the Cascades and taking the Oregon coast after a tsunami would be their only chance

If they are going to strike, that's when they'll do it, and it will be furious and quick

>>60029054
>great depression 2
>shill slide

IT'S ALL HAPPENING ANON

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meh market happenings have lost all meaning because you cucks kept spamming them and nothing ever happened in the real world

Could someone post sources?

BLACK MONDAY
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>implying Obama won't find a way to stage the stock market even longer so it doesn't collapse under him.

Day 1 of Trump will be the largest stock market collapse in history

>>60029639
Because you lacked faith

If OP thinks that dow down 300 is something to panic about, they obviously weren't following the market in 2006-2009.

Here's a general rule for you... when the dow is down 300, buy like hell.

THIS IS LITERALLY WORSE THAN BLACK MONDAY

DOWN 500

AND THE WORSE IS YET TO COME ON THE 8TH WHEN CHINA LIFTS THE BAN ON STOCKS

>>60029830
It's not even 400 down right now. Where did you get 500?

>>60028891
Been waiting 20 mins where the fuck are they ?

>>60029893
Coast to Coast said 459 down

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>>60029830

Holding at 380

Oh wow

IT DROPPED FROM 17400 TO 17020 HOLY FUCK IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD OH SHIT FUCK EVERYTHING OGGA BOGGA BOGGLE WORDS AND FILLER PAY ATTENTION TO THIS THREAD AND NOT THE WAR OH NO BLABLABLABLABLABLA

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>>60029639
Fuck off please it is happening if you could read abo

>>60029961
it's 395-399

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Literally when will you cucks learn, Us is the best. Dollar is strong.

Learn to love us

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>>60028891
DAILY REMINDER THAT ALL OF YOUR HOPES ARE MADE MOOT, BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE, PUMPING CASH.


we multiple of these threads over the last half year and each and every single time, the feds came to the rescue. There will be no crash. Pic related.

Why cant you just get it through your thick and retarded skull already? These threads are not "its going to crash", these threads are "lets watch the feds save the economy once more", the feds and their money pumping is the central theme here.

>>60030075
That doesn't look sustainable

>>60030013

And now it's back to 370

because nothing will happen

because op is a fag

Fuck your happening. I just bought ATSI at 15 cents a share. I'm going to be rich.

>Thanks /biz/

>>60030118
Perhaps, but its a fact of life that this new mechanism is now the central theme around these market crash watches.

>>60029937
>listening to schizo radio during a red market day.

>>60030075

the FRB upped rates. People are selling off to save cash

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It'll rally. Probably close about 175 down. Screen cap if you want.

>>60030267
They are redpilled

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>>60028891
>Went to take a shower
>Come back
>Market open
>All red
>Already

To all you ignorant of economics, the U.S. has never imported a depression, so you should all stop thinking that the problems in China will cripple America.

ITT:
>people who don't understand stock breaking think it's not a big deal when an ever growing indicator suddenly stumbles 500 points and their country shuts down the entire stock market.

Pro tip about what is happening: China is.
It doesn't look good. Investments rates will go down under a ledge. Government will keep them alive with keynesianism.

Prepare for Über China. State powered by all american industries and billions of men to waste.

I deal stocks and this has been on my mind for months now: China WILL happen.

>>60030424
>Actualy believing this

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We already had this thread 7 months ago.

Literally nothing happened after a few hours.

>>60030424
The housing markets are solid!!

dude i just watched the big short i know all of your dirty secrets

get good

>>60030484

wut

China is starting a pissing match in the South China Sea with the USN, they'll be replaced with someone like Vietnam or the Philippines within ten years as a result. This means no economy for them, since their entire economy is based on being our dumpster.

>>60030557

Except back then the oil industry wasn't neary as fucked and interest rates were .25% lower.

America pay debts

>>60030484
>>60030591
This. China is already confirmed for Japan tier, lost decades incoming.

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>>60028891
its soon

>itt 4chan STEM majors thinking they understand the economy
>these same people Hate happening threads

Back to /biz/ fags

>>60030484
Last happening in China markets nothing happened

>>60030294
Holy fuck man
I just screen capped the shit out of that!
I can't wait to tell my wife's grandchildren about that morning someone made the prediction that the market would close down half as much as it was down in the opening minutes of trading on a Bengledeshian embroidery chain-email

>>60030663

Japan can at least sell PS4s and trains to us. China won't be doing that since they are trying to fuck with our navy/military superiority.

>>60030629
It's the same shit, mate. This will have a small net effect on companies relying on intermediary (non-finished products) Chinese goods. The oil pricing is largely irrelevant, in fact oil industries are up after the Saudi-Iran spat yesterday.

>>60030567

Housing market is solid? Isn't canada literally going through the second biggest housing bubble since 1987 japan?

>>60030704

Wrong, it dropped oil demand which in turn made the saudi's decision to keep inventories high suicidal. Welcome to globalism.

>>60030715
This meme must stop

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>>60028891
fake and gay

>>60030751

>it's the same shit

it literally isn't as interest rates are higher than they were a year ago

>>60030811
Okay, so we see a larger net loss to reliant industries. This isn't a happening. Everyone back to your shitposting.

>>60030206
If You Fags want to get rich buy apple and Starbucks stock

Don't forget to load up on EXAS too since that baby is going to the moon soon

>>60030765
I wanted a response like that

>>60030591
They are Japan on steroids. You want to know what Japan did not have?

People.

They can't just watch the economy get destroyed and have millions of unemployed young men.

>>60030767
Which? I used at least two kuk

>>60029045
That is their natural state lately.

>>60030912
I make fair, extra cash playing penny stocks. Plus it's fun.

Fuck Apple.

we 405 now.

>>60030801
Not fake.

China dropped 7% on the opening and literally shut it down.

The US so far is down almost 2% and breaking the 17k level on the dow which hasn't happened since 2013.

We peaked in 2014. 400 point drops are not normal. Especially in the first 30 minutes of an opening.

Realize the market hasn't hit a new high in almost a year. In trader terms that's bad. Really bad.

The saying goes: Lower lows equals lower lows, and higher highs equals higher highs.

If it's not going up it's going down.

>>60030964
>gamble stocks
Unless you run a boiler room for pumping they're too risky. But if you're interested EXAS is a good buy now. Same with virgin America

>>60031015
The slow and steady decent takes place. It's actually a good idea to hold dollar and import goods due to everyone getting fucked on exchange rate and transportation costs at all time lows

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>>60030557
The one time it does, do you want to be left in the cold?

>>60031015
>>60030964
What do you fags think of buying that FCAU dip?

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>>60029554
every time

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>>60029554
have fun voting for satan

>>60031073
I'm short on the indexes,(ES,DOW) short on retail, short on trannies. Long on SLV, GLD, BTC.

Shorting Yahoo since 52$. Which was from April I believe.

Already doubled my money on BTC in less than 2 months.

I do this for a living.

>>60031183
I'm not the most knowledgable about autos but I can say if oil is getting devastated and consumption is about to cycle through a recession -- no buying dips.

Personally I won't be buying an dips except on BTC or stronger currencies/commidities.

In the event of a recession down cycle you short overall consumption of luxuries, and then buy staples (toilet paper, beer, cigarette companies)

The market is going to be looking for things that are cheap but all stocks and the general market is too high.

Even at 8$ that stock isn't low enough. IMO

For the record I usually do derivatives day trading with BTC. I make all my money in price differences and normally don't even care about the underlying measures.

>>60031016
I'm not playing with much money. It lasts longer than gambling at the casino.

>>60031420
What exchange do you use for bitcoin?

The few I've dabbled in making day trading difficult.

You guys need to learn a few things about the market...

1. If the US stock market were to collapse entirely, you'd have a lot more to worry about than your stock prices.

2. There are a lot of smart people who have their own money invested in the US market, and they will do what has to be done to keep the market from collapsing.

3. In the process of saving their own asses, they will also save your asses since a sinking boat drowns everyone.

4. The American market is still the strongest. It will always be the go-to place when things are bad.

5. Never trust companies that don't trade on the American market. Especially never trust any Chinese company or any South American company.

6. When the dow is down 300+, that is the day to BUY, not to sell.

7. The market goes up, the market goes down. But in the long run, the American market goes up.

>>60031420
>Shorting Yahoo
smart move, family

>>60031530
Back to rediit is happen ing fag

s and p 2075 by days end or tomorrow
screencap this post
POST IT TOMORROW AT MARKET CLOSE

>>60031427

I love how people compare getting wasted and playing go-fish under bright lights to people that work in finance.

Reminds me of Marx. Usually a red flag they are losers.

>>60031503
Bitfinex for margin - high fees
Coinarch - derivatives (Shutting down soon)
Firstglobalfinance - stock derivatives plus 10x leverage.
Poloniex - Altcoins (When btc drops the price of everything else goes up in nominal terms)

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>>60031183
>Buying an auto company even though auto inventories have been skyrocketing and there is probably a bubble in auto loans

You better not be the same fag who suggested buying retail a few weeks ago.

>>60031536

Well to be fair.

>Hired a female CEO (Signaling they are out of ideas)
>Stock buyback (now we know they are out of ideas, but that shit low and sold it back to them)
>Bought tumblr (Now they are fuck my shit up tier)

I give yahoo maybe 2-3 more years as a mainstream company I have a feeling they are already weekend at bernies.

4chan in a way has lined my pockets thanks to their major opposition to that company.

>>60030921

China doesn't have consumers. Or, rather, they don't have a middle class capable of supporting itself. This is the danger of having an export-based economy.

Germany is somewhat similar but with southern and eastern europe instead of the USA. The end result is that the exporter becomes dependent on market access. Once that is gone, either due to lowered consumer demand or pissing matches (as a result of the south china sea squabble) then the exporter country gets fucked.

The only way out is to build up domestic demand, but that hasn't happened in china and both their tech and housing busts are wrecking what disposable income people had built up already.

Whether or not it fucks with the US is another question entirely, but at the very least china is fucked.

>>60031766
Auto companies always do well during Q1

>>60031578

Go ahead and panic if you want. No skin off my nose.

You want to see a happening with the stock market? Look around for the video of CNBC from September 29 2008.

That was the day that Congress decided to play politics with the stock market, and the dow crashed 700 points in minutes live on TV. Now THAT was a happening.

Today? Dow down 300 or 400 or even 500? Around here we call that Monday.

Of course I'm in a good mood. I bought some GE call options dirt cheap about an hour ago, and they've already moved into the green as people start to figure out it's not the end of the world.

1. go to https://www.google.com.hk/
2. enter " 市场暴跌卖家居2016年1月 "
3. search

市场暴跌卖家居2016年1月 = market crash sell everything january 2016

>>60031876

The US is pricing this in right now hence the drops.

Here's the facts. The modern world is shrinking. The End.

The third world cannot, and will not consume like 20th century americans.

Europe and the US are brining in immigrants because during the next recession there is going to be massive drops in taxes paid causing the governments to be backed into a wall over pensions.

And if there is even a single utter of "we can't pay pensions" say goodbye to the stock market.

The stock market since about 2008 is solely about front running insurance companies and pension funds.

SELL SELL SELL SELL

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>>60031877

SELL SELL SELL SELL

>mfw albos get blamed for this lel

>>60031845
A majority of publicly trading companies are using more money to buy back stocks than they are putting in r and d as well as their own workers. They're causing the entire american economy to stagnate.

>>60032019

I'm certainly aware. But that is a longer-term problem, the issues with pensions and consumption probably won't become a serious issue for at least another decade. It's noticeable now, but it's going to be a *lot* more noticeable when 20somethings with college debt age into their 30s and 40s without any improvement in their situation.

Right now, the focus is on the BRICS collapse.

>>60031845
I think you might have taken a short position a bit too early, but I agree that Yahoo is irrecoverable.

Why American hegemony will continue in the next century https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIdUSqsz0Io

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THREAD MUSIK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEt41bYQBgE

>>60031292

lol the master
awesome

>>60031420
>>60031536

If you're looking for a short target, you should probably look at $TWTR too.

They got clobbered in 2015, but I think they still have a long way to go.

They were "cool" once, but nearly everyone I talk to never uses them anymore.

They're turning into MySpace.

>>60032090
Buybacks are always the signal for a major sell-off. Buybacks are when a company buys their own stocks signalling to joe blow hey buy this! we are! Joe blow buys the highs and the company magically sells stock all of a sudden.

They literally start the pump and the regular joe buys the over inflated paper.

But signals to anyone with a brain the punch bowl is about to be taken away. Buy backs are usually a good way to keep the market from having major dips as it provides momentary liquidity and "security".

>>60032121
Brazil - Debt already downgraded been in a recession for over a year.

Russia - Willing to do anything to start a war to raise the oil price to fix the ruble.

India - I hate to say it. But they are going no where and never really will. I have absolutely no faith in india. None.

China - They managed to blow more money since 2008 (15 trillion) than the US has spent since it was literally organized in 1776. And what does china have to show for it? Destroyed asset prices and probably the biggest asset bubble in history.

The day they have to mark-to-market it's all over. You can only hide lies for so long.

So yeah. The US though will play the typical safe haven.

>>60031530

>1. If the US stock market were to collapse entirely, you'd have a lot more to worry about than your stock prices.

True

>2. There are a lot of smart people who have their own money invested in the US market, and they will do what has to be done to keep the market from collapsing.

True. But the Caveat is that investors also implement a separate group of policies that engineer their own collapse. (Via the Donor Class.)

>3. In the process of saving their own asses, they will also save your asses since a sinking boat drowns everyone.

True. But only if you have money in the market. If you don't, tough shit.

>4. The American market is still the strongest. It will always be the go-to place when things are bad.

True. China fucked up its transition to 'Hegemonic power.'

>5. Never trust companies that don't trade on the American market. Especially never trust any Chinese company or any South American company.

Maybe. Its debatable whether I would trust an American company if it was traded on the American Market (*cough Unicorns cough*)

>6. When the dow is down 300+, that is the day to BUY, not to sell.

Correction. When the Dow has been down for days, THEN it becomes the day to buy, not to sell. This market slump will faaar outlast a mere 'flash correction.'

Then again. Don't computers make the trades now?

>7. The market goes up, the market goes down. But in the long run, the American market goes up.

In the 'long run,' our markets were regulated within reason. Today it's just a giant shitshow with printed money. Conservatives love to look to the past, but they actually repudiate nearly every fucking economic axiom of America's past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)

That's why the American people are going to suffer a tremendous set of setbacks in the next decade; they can't even recognize their own ancestors.

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>>60032279
Commies always make the best music. It's probably because they're not actually commies, they're nationalists.

>>60032489

Thanks for posting that I read that guys post and was like.

>Great now fucking kramer is posting on the chans. Waiting for the ominous BUY THE BANKS! Call.

Buying dips on the heels of a major correction. lol

>>60031015
Are you retarded?

We dropped to under 17k over the summer in 2015.

Shit we almost dropped below 16k

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>>60028891
>you know why they don't update the doomsday clock friend?
>they can't get any closer to midnight

>>60032625

Yes. I could be retarded.

Or if you read what I said I made it clear I didn't trade mainly stocks. I trade volatility. Enormous cosmic difference. (Hint: Focus)

Thanks for correcting me.

>>60032279
This song is also relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rcmeMxxGYw

>>60032539
agreed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ

>>60032744
I've got a raging boner.

LOOKS LIKE SHEMITAH'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

>>60032830
>implying the Russian imperial anthem isn't better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvMDZag8-DE

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>>60032867

>>60032693
Goddamnit sorry

>>60032625

Meant for the Canada fag who said it hasn't dipped below 17k since 2013

I'm on mobile

>>60032489

>Maybe. Its debatable whether I would trust an American company if it was traded on the American Market (*cough Unicorns cough*)

I agree with that. There are a WHOLE lot of American companies I don't trust.

But, as a general rule, I trust NOTHING coming out of china.

We've been shown over and over again that they do not play by fair rules.

1. Outright fraud. Companies that such in lots of western investors, only to find out that the company is an empty building.

2. The changing rules, like banning people from selling their stock.

3. Their empty cities, built simply to get their citizens to invest in real estate.

China has 10-foot-poll marks all over them.

South America? that's easier... their long history of defaulting on their debt.

>>60032951
Sorry, pham - there's literally nothing that can surpass the USSR Anthem.

>>60033152

+1000

And you didn't even get to the part where their society from the bottom-up is liars to save face.

Or the fact they couldn't manage a paper bag.

Or the fact they don't even have a creative bug if it shit on their face.

Or the fact that without being manufactures to the west they are nothing.

Or the fact they have an enormous generation gap and birthing gap causing in some areas a major lack of women. (Issues for later destabilization)

Let's call a spade a spade. China is still not a modern country. They don't even have a car for european or american export. Think about that.

I would say if asians were as bullish about their market as they think we are why are they putting all their excess cash in US equities, and housing.

Because they TRUST us more than their own. Which should be pretty much the most damning indictment of their markets.

>>60033206

I have to assume you're talking about the 1944 version, and not the 1977 version.

>>60033383
of course, comrade

>>60033348

Yep. And China has been on the skids for years, though they won't admit it.

I have a friend who worked as a translator in China back around 2008-ish.

According to him, China was starting to outsource their labor to Vietnam because... you guessed it... it's cheaper.

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>>60028891
It's always happening lad mate chap.
I just make sure my garden is alright, my kids and wife are well looked after and go fishing when I get free time. Happenings don't happen here. It's a disappointment.

There have been loads of happenings in my lifetime, but everything seems too calm just now.

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>>60028891
>MARKET CRASH

Reminds me of the other ebin market crash thread.

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1000 point drop when?

>>60033543

If you want a good laugh, keep an eye out for the next time TCM shows the movie "Mission to Moscow"

Made during WW2 when we were "friends" with the USSR, it was an attempt to generate sympathy for the commies.

So there's Uncle Joe Stalin, smoking his pipe, talking about his love of the people, explaining that they weren't actually purges, he was simply prosecuting criminals.

A very strange movie.

>>60033693
>Reminds me of the other ebin market crash thread.

>The DJI high of last year was 300 points higher than the height of the "recovery" since September, and has been steadily decreasing since then.
>2015 was the worst year in the stock market since 2008
>China is still ~40% lower than it was a few months ago
>none of these things is a happening buy the dip good goy

>>60000000
Bernie did it.

under 17000 now

>>60033547

>though they won't admit it.

As far as I'm concerned the Japanese and Koreans need to ally themselves. China is literally where good things go to die. I remember all the optimism in 2008, and now that it's 8 years later it's gone.

They spent all their money on construction projects.

Not on resources.
Not on labor.
Not on anything that will give them returns.

Don't want to bring racism into this but that is exactly what I would expect of an African nation.

I say that because something like 80% of their companies have a majority stake held by the government. So there is no running away from this.

In the US when a company fails they fail on their own. In china when they fail they take the government with them.

Probably one of the best examples of central command economics collapsing spectacularly.

As the saying goes by Wu-tang Finance "Diversify them bonds nigga".

And just imagine this is what bernie wants for us. One giant public sector to rid us of "volatility".

>>60032450
Its funny because BRICS had a shot at the big time and they blew it. All thats left is to watch them drag each other down.

The West continues to rule for another century

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>>60033152
>>60033348

>But, as a general rule, I trust NOTHING coming out of china.
>Pic related.

Oh definitely. Anyone foreigner who invests with the Chinese is either in over-his-head or just a fool.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-04/china-terrifies-investors-crackdown-if-you-dont-do-what-they-ask-there-will-be-blood

One should never bother investing in a nation without Rule of Law. At any point, investment can be lost with via simple 'blackballing.' Rule of Law is among the least appreciated concepts in politics, and is among the most powerful tools in geopolitics.

WOW you guys are really doing this shit again?

here's what will happen:

nothing

>>60033743
This.
Actually, the centerpiece of the move is a defense of Soviet Show Trials coupled with a warning about saboteurs at home and the need for America to adopt Stalinist methods.
Imagine if FDR allowed a Hollywood film defending the Holocaust and saying "this is what the US needs," that's the equivalent.

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Bloomberg reporting this is the worst beginning for the US market since 2001. For Europe, it is the worst start of the year ever.

It will be a happening if it falls below 800 points,

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>>60034058
you're wrong, because it's already happening

China only fell like 300 points

>>60034058
Get a load of this faggot

>>60033997
It is true. And I'm sure you, just like I had the highest hopes for them.

Brazil is my favorite. Some of the worlds largest oil fields, and so they choose to chop down their own natural resource to grow beets, and sugar cane to make fuel. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong.

Devastated land. Oil price is in tatters. LOL

To be fair oil bounced back in a few months during the 2008 drop. This has been over a year now.
>>60034019

ZH is my first stop of the morning every morning.

>One should never bother investing in a nation without Rule of Law.

That's actually probably the most pertinent point here. Thanks for saying that.

>>60034248
>>60034161
you did this shit months ago

nothing fucking happened and you spammed the board endlessly over nothing

>>60034220
Because they halt trading after a 7% crash. This could very well be the spark China needs for a full blown revolt if it continues like that and lead to enough lay offs.

They are going to have to halt trading soon

>>60034340

No faggot nothing's gonna happen

>>60034220
They are incapable of falling any further in a day due to safeguards. Presumably the crash will continue tomorrow

>>60028891
>WHERE IS THE MARKET CRASH THREAD
What do you mean, they were practically spamming the board with them to slide the Israel and Iran/Saudi Arabia happenings.

>>60034280
Rule one of the secret Zeroshit club: Never admit that you get your news from ZH

>>60034344
won't happen.

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>>60033801

Sorry to burst your 'happening', but the fact is that the economy is shitty pretty much everywhere. If a happening happened it would be because of something more relevant, like the ME getting hotter.

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>>60034289
everyone was freaking out about le shemita meme.

we all know it's going to collapse at some point, we just don't know exactly when

>>60034289

So we were off a few months. Happening is unavoidable. Learn how to math faggot

For a market crash tier happening the Dow has to crash below 800 points consistently for three days at least.

>>60034058
Last time it didn't happen because China banned trading certain stocks 3 months

GUESS WHAT, THE BANS ARE BEING LIFTED, AND THEY ARE CRASHING AGAIN

>>60034498
so they'll ban them again

what are you gonna do about it fag

>>60031876
>China doesn't have consumers.

The changed policy to allow for more babies.

>>60034382
There is no Iran/Saudi happening, there is diplomatic muscle flexing going on right now.

>>60034370
It`s unlikely, yes, but should China`s growth really come in in the low 1-digit range (1%-3%), than they are in for a wild ride. Stagnating wages and the result unrest are the most dangerous thing for China at the moment.

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>>60034397
>VIX green

>>60034397
ARGHHHH
AAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH NO

>>60034019
One of the best stories is how, when going capitalist, they realized they didn't know how to handle import-export, so they legitimized a smuggler who was effectively already doing that illegally. He literally built China's ability to handle and service international shipping from scratch, the ports, procedures, warehouses, training, everything. When he was done they decided that the legitimizing was invalid and everything he had done was a crime. He fled to Canada but if they do that to the guy who makes their whole wealth possible what will they do to anyone less?

>>60032450
Yes, I know what the intention behind buybacks are. I'm just saying that in the long run they'll just stagnate the economy since that money is better spent elsewhere.

>>60034521
The more you delay it, the harder it will crash

>>60034662
so they'll delay it indefinitely

what now fag

>>60034692

lol this,

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>>60034321

Reminder that Japan has been surviving on vodoo economics for 30 years now. The US by comparison is where Japan is 20 years ago.

>>60034692
Companies going unofficially bankrupt with their stock accounts """"intact"""" (i.e.: pure fiction)

>>60034340
>spark China needs for a full blown revolt
Who would revolt? They already have 'Communists' in government and they aren't going to bring in Capitalists to fix the failure of Capitalism. I also don't think they're very interested in democracy right now. The only group that could revolt is the 'New Left' (anti-authoritarian communists) but I don't see that happening. The only group that would truly oppose the government would by Hong Kong but they're too weak to achieve anything.

Most likely if things truly go to shit for the Chinese stock market, the government will abandon Market Socialism and institute proper Socialist reform, seeding a pro-government version of 'Occupy Wall Street' protests (or anti-government if the reforms don't happen) and a miniature cultural revolution to undo the recent capitalist reforms.

>>60034692
The same that happened with the Fed rate hike: The moment you try to go back to normal shit comes tumbling down

>>60034692
Last time they tried to do that, the Soviet Union collapsed

>>60034692
Money is a finite resource buddy, just like oil and plutonium.

Филиaл pyблeтpeдa нa пoлe, нoйc

Capitalism fails again, and now there is no new markets like former USSR or China to expand into.

>>60034758
so what

>>60034797
so don't go back to normal

>>60034809
china isn't communist

>>60034791
They should install Jackie Chan

>>60034809
They didn't even have a stock market

>>60034791
>capitalists against private property
Lol you are retarded

>>60034791

The Chinese are much more nationalistic than anyone else, they are like insects they will work for food, they didn't give a fuck when Mao was killing them by the tenbs of millions because at least they werent under the foot of some foreign power. If there was social instabiliuty we would have noticed it, there is none unlike the US with is severe social tensions and chimpouts every other week.

>>60034754
The BoJ is running out of bonds to buy tho

>>60034844
Go away, gommie.

>>60034884
They did it with prices

>>60034844
>Capitalism fails again, and now there is no new markets like former USSR or China to expand into.

The problem is that the US literally has a communist economy. A true capitalist society would have allowed the big banks to fail in 2008 and not artificially propped up the economy with printed money and 0 interest rates.

>>60034533
Then they'll consumers in 25 years

>>60034844
What about the Moon?

Someone fill me in here, did the fed raising interest rates by .25% have anything nice to do with this?

>>60034692
no they'll delay it as long as it takes for them to get their own investments out

>>60035043
not really

Nothing happend.

It's just a market regulation from the too high speculation on china growth

I dunno anyone who is that retarded to play the stock lottery in 2016. I mean real estate and commoditites do exist.

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Why did they shut down Shanghai?

>>60035043
As the Boomers get older and stop investing, capital will become less available. Boomers are the largest demographic in American history and all of their capital is coming off the books as they retire. So as capital is less available, interest rates go back up.

I will be happy if all the tech faggotry gets BTFO like Amazon, Google, and Faceberg

>>60035108
>Nothing happend.
>It's just a market regulation from the too high speculation on china growth

The DJI is probably going to crash at least 30% in 2016 and show no signs of recovery. There is only so long that an economy can be propped up with voodoo derivative investments and fake fed money.

>>60034791

It's hard to talk about China, because "State Capitalism" is a more accurate definition of what they are then "Capitalism." But people assume Capitalism = Market Economics, when in reality Capitalism is just private investment.

Sure. The government now operates by Supply and Demand. But the bureaucracy is still controlling the businesses and managing the funds. They've done actually a really good job...up until now.

Now they need to let go. (But it won't happen.)

>>60034627

This is why I say China is nowhere near any kind of 'Capitalism' we would recognize. Reading between the lines, the smuggler who engineer China's import-export was ousted out because the Party Bosses were afraid of him getting too powerful. So his 'crimes' was the perfect excuse to act on a power play.

This is why the Soviets collapsed. Exceptional Men realized it wasn't worth bothering...

>triumph of evil when good do men nothing.

>>60034976
>A true capitalist society would have allowed the big banks to fail
You imply that capitalist economy would have reemerged from that crash but the truth is only with the coordinated effort of state and burgeoise it is possible. Things you call socialism are actually making capitalism that you have now tolerable, without it you would live in shithole like Africa.
>>60035023
Can Moon people be exploited? Moon resources by itself don't matter, it is labor that count.

>>60035116
>2008+8
>recommending real estate
Top kek

>>60035121
>Why did they shut down Shanghai?

To protect the upper class from losing money in a capitalistic society. Certain people will support a free market as long as it doesn't involve them losing money.

Let's move to a general, we have way to many threads at the moment

>>60035256

>>60035245

Wel lfor upper middle class to rich people, if you're a nigger or earn under 200k a year you shouldn't have any by law.

>>60035116
You do realize that the value of the stock market is directly tied in to the value of very real and tangible companies and corporations, right? It's not just a make-believe land where rich people gamble their money.

>>60035235
>You imply that capitalist economy would have reemerged from that crash but the truth is only with the coordinated effort of state and burgeoise it is possible. Things you call socialism are actually making capitalism that you have now tolerable, without it you would live in shithole like Africa.

Both socialism and more laissez faire economic policies can work, but they need to be implemented properly. Properly running a society is not as simple as choosing the correct economic system.

So is it happening then or is OP just another faggot?

>>60035357

Yes even I have money in the fucking stock market, through my bank.

>>60035199
>The DJI is probably going to crash at least 30% in 2016
Thanks you ms irma

>There is only so long that an economy can be propped up with voodoo derivative investments and fake fed money.

Clearly, the fed and globally the USD is a real problem and will pose problem.

But right now, it's not a crash. Nothing bad has happened, there will be no drop. It's just a regulation

>>60035415
It's a matter of waiting. We can't know for sure until the end of the week, at least

>>60035357
>It's not just a make-believe land where rich people gamble their money.

It is a make-believe land now that is the problem. The economy is not driven by actual physical things anymore that improve the quality of people's lives, it is driven by wall street jew math. You can start a company that produces a great product at a reasonable price and still lose a lot of money simply because a bunch of hedge funds had a hiccup.

lmfao its my birthday/ this is great.

>>60035405
>Both socialism and more laissez faire economic policies can work, but they need to be implemented properly.
>Implement properly.

Mankind isn't prepared to understand that economics is a strategy, not an ideology. I've seen merits to many ideas, even by my political opponents (such as deregulation or the Gold Standard) work out great in certain contexts.

Regardless. We are still trapped in this primitive mindset of 'schools,' and have been for a long time.

>>60029054
The market's shitting all over itself, and the ONE FUCKING STOCK that I'm waiting for a drop in has been climbing all morning. Fuck.

>people ITT want the economy to collapse
You're all sheltered edgy teenagers in spirit.

>>60035472
>But right now, it's not a crash. Nothing bad has happened, there will be no drop. It's just a regulation

It is not a crash yet, but it is about to be. A few months ago I would have never thought that the world economy would crash, but it appears to me that the bad decisions people have been making that they thought would only bite them 50 years from now are happening now.

>>60035670

> about to be

How how the fuck is this shit a crash nigger?

This is not even a panic time tier event.

>>60035647
>You're all sheltered edgy teenagers in spirit.

I see no point in investing in my retirement or a home if by the time im 50 those things are going to be taken away from me. I might as well just live in the moment.

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>>60035647
>I don't want to die in the end times because I know I will go to hell

>>60035647
>financial markets = "the economy"

>>60035738
>How how the fuck is this shit a crash nigger?

Because all of the mismanagement of the economy since the 1940s is going to start snowballing over the next few years and there is going to need to be actual action taken with regards to things like the tax code and investment rules.

There is not going to be bread lines and millions of people being homeless, it is going to be a subtle societal change in the way that things are structured that most people probably won't even notice.

The U.S. is fine. China is fucked but they are not the economic centerpiece the U.S. is. So if you invested in China, worry. The U.S. is fucking fine.

>>60035931
>thinking America can still survive without China

>>60035931
>The U.S. is fucking fine.

For maybe about the next month.

>>60031766
There is likely an auto loan bubble coming.

We're pushing subprimes through just like with the housing bubble, and 1/4 of the 72 month term loans defaulted within a year (which is the majority of our loans).

On top of that we're pushing the average loan to 84 months now.

The used car market is very inflated because lots put huge rebates on new ones driving down the actual value of trade-ins but they buy the actual vehicles for too much.


The ones we're too buried to sell from the lot are wholesaled to Buy-here-pay-here lots with 3-6k markup with non-negotioable prices (whereas you can negotiate at new car lots) and the subprimes that buy there either NEVER have equity again, so they have to buy there, or they NEVER complete a loan so they never rebuild credit.


It's fucked

>>60036035

Car chassis can't melt economies.

>>60035931

I also believe the US is fine, but only in the sense of winners among losers. (Still counts as a winner, IMO.)

>>60035906

Subtle social changes require exceptional intelligence and masterful social skills to implement. Both of these are lacking among our current crop of plutocratic politicians. More importantly, the men who COULD fix the problem are explicitly hounded away from society.

But subtle social reforms are really the only way change can come in a positive manner. It's what I want (if it's even still feasible.)

>>60036152

kek.

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>>60036152
Of all sales at buy-here-pay-here lots 50-55% defaulted within the first year.

We're gonna be looking at similar shit when 84 month loans get normalized.

>>60031292
Lmfao holy fuck

>>60036437
>Of all sales at buy-here-pay-here lots 50-55% defaulted within the first year.
>We're gonna be looking at similar shit when 84 month loans get normalized.

I literally tried to explain this to my father who has a MBA from a somewhat respectable school yesterday and he was literally unable to understand the similarities between sub prime mortgages and the current car loan situation because "you don't buy cars with mortgages"

>>60036010
China imports over 70% of it's oil, natural gas, and raw materials. They are absolutely nothing on the global scale, especially since their 1% boom in the demographic accounted for their economic spending. That has dried up as you can see by their ever falling GDP growth. China is on the downswing and the U.S. is moving manufacturing jobs to...Mexico. Chinese wages have sextupled over the last twelve years and the drug war drives Mexican wages down, which has been good for their economy. Couple that with our oil deal with Mexico that will see it become the largest bi-lateral energy agreement in the world and we have no fucking need for China. As soon as the Saudis are done driving the oil prices down the U.S. will achieve energy independence, and considering we produce all our food and energy, we will continue to be fucking golden for the next century.

welp we're all bailing-in by law so lets see what happens

I think China is stoking the market to give the US a "fuck you"

But why?

Why would China make the markets shit themselves?

Syria
Iran-saudi
Ukraine
South China sea
Indo-paki
High internal US tension

Why the fuck did WW3 have to be now....

>>60036622
It's so similar. You take a loan out on the thing that you use as collateral. Same as last time, there is breaking point for how many people can default before everyone loses, and we are approaching that as the middle class dies.

At 84 months you wouldn't be the depreciation with interest for 3 years (as opposed to the standard of 2) unless you put lots of money down (you wouldn't be financing for 84 months if you could do this).

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>>60031292
lmao

>>60037068
>It's so similar.

Its the same fucking thing. Only this time they are selling cars to people who can't afford them instead of houses to people who can't afford them.

>>60035647
M8, we need the reset, thats just a fact of life at this point. Let it burn and may the best man win.

>>60031877
SELL SELL SELL SELL

>>60029413
The value of China's currency is tied to their purchase of treasury bonds. If they just tried to "collect our debt" (a really retarded way of simplifying it) it would bankrupt their economy and decimate their currency. We wouldn't even need military force to combat their debt collection, since they would be destroying themselves without our help.

Is there a happening? Will there be war? 3ww cant wait!

>>60038564
>Is there a happening? Will there be war? 3ww cant wait!

Just a sad slow economic march to 0 with a quiet consensus of "Hitler was right."

>>60037360
>Its the same fucking thing.
It's worse. At least a house can appreciate in value or at the very least maintain a portion of its value. Car's are essentially disposable.

>>60039116
>It's worse. At least a house can appreciate in value or at the very least maintain a portion of its value. Car's are essentially disposable.

Yup. The only things holding value reasonably relative to their miles and year model are diesel vehicles and 4x4 vehicles

I thought we hated what China has done to the jobs here, but when their shit hits the fan, so do ours? Cant we fucking cut the umbilical cord from them? does this help bernie in anyway?

>>60039421

china's economy crashing is basically what's eventually going to happen to the US and EU since consumer demand for products is in the toilet

the most fragile economies crash first

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>>60035631
Short sale broz

Buy bear funds and hold on to them for 3 months. Trust me

Someone explain that white creature with black hoodie cold meme or some shit. I want to get it, i've seen it for months

>>60041135
How dare you bring "him" into this.
What are you crazy?
Nevar. Evar.

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>>60029580
Found the home grown 50 cent party member

>>60041612
He's being posted like there's no tomorrow, all I know is that it has something to do with a movie named 'The Monk' but I still don't get it, now explain it further you memelord

>>60039952
Sell when everyone is selling, sounds like you've got the market figured out.

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>>60041734

>>60039720
At least we put our consumer demand in the loo, unlike some savages

>>60042296
Damn it Frank, what is that fucker?

17,079.57 -345.46 (-1.98%)

BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY

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>>60028891

-350 points the first day!
This mean aggregated on the year: 350*365, the DOW will decrease by 127750 points.


This means by years end the Dow will close at a -110,663 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>60028891
Holy shit you retards are still flinging shit over china's markets?
They have been growing faster then any empire in the last 8 years. That can not happen forever it's just a fucking auto correct.

There is no happening

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>>60043577
this post was deleted.

>>60043799
When they were growing, or at least stagnating, there was no fucking problem. Even a slight minus sign can be manageable.

But when dips like this happen, it's world-wide damage.
I admit that this isn't some apocalyptic scenario, but you can't deny that some shit is going on, leaf.

SELL SELL SELL
>SELL SELL SELL
SELL SELL SELL
>SELL SELL SELL

>>60043799
>just a fucking auto correct.

40% drop in the market is a "correction"

DJIA down 2%

shanghai down 6%

I have as toddler's grasp of economics, what is going on and is this just another fake happening or for real this time?

>>60046333
Worst market open in 85 years.

>>60046333
China is in serious economic trouble with manufacturing down and developing markets have way to much debt. Also low oil prices are hurting shitty developing countries and the energy sector. The DOW drop is due to the Chinese market opening to a fire-sale that caused them to shutdown briefly.

Reminder: the ban on major stakeholder sales is set to expire on Friday. Hold on to your butts.

Is it still happening or is it over and nothing really happened just like the last time you made this thread.....?

>>60046562
It's a year long ride my friend. 2016 ain't gonna be pretty

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>...we've had a good run wouldn't you say?

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>>60046481
>Reminder: the ban on major stakeholder sales is set to expire on Friday. Hold on to your butts.

for China?

Like all the stocks that were frozen at -10%?

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>>60029054

> shill slide detected.

Yeah goy, it's totally not happening. Now buy all this stock from me so I can cash out.

Buy $UVXY asap

>>60029536
Hey asshole, it doesn't matter what you do with it after you payed for it

>>60046333
it's a slow-motion train-wreck since May, every time we see a car derail /pol/ ooos and aaaahs and shouts HAPPENING. Realistically, it may be 6 months before decapitated bodies start flying out of the trolleys.

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>>60046333
Basically China has been cooking their books for the past few decades, their government has been doing everything they can to stop the bubble from popping and the world is heavily invested in China. We will be in permanent HAPPENING mode for a while.

>>60043026
>mfw

Buy real physical gold


/thread

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>>60051942
>permanent HAPPENING mode for a while
I like this.

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>>60029125
burn it down
makes more sense when you think about how this whole thing really works

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>>60052040
>buying gold
>not copper and lead

>>60051942
TPTB knew this was coming. They were counting on the great bail-in to save American financial interests. This would only work if Americans had no way to democratically vent their frustration and both parties were led by pro-finance figureheads. I think Trump is causing more than a little panic here. China may actually try to provoke a collapse just to see how badly they can fuck up American bankers politically. This really could be a mess.

So, Trump's existence -may- save us from the Great Bail-In. But more likely, all the private planes are gassed up and enroute to NZ atm.

Also, the fact that Hillary was the candidate set to be crowned by the DNC should concern everyone who's ever heard of the "glass cliff".

[Citation Needed]

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>>60046481

Indeed. And whats happening now is merely due to nervousness about what might happen come friday.
It truly has the potential to be glorious!

>>60054224
Yes being a vitem of the plan. "glorious".

whatever you say pal

>>60044027
why did you take a pic of your screen instead of just taking a screenshot?

>>60052040
>gold
You can't eat it
You can't drink it
You can't be sheltered by it

Reuters Top News @Reuters 17m17 minutes ago
BREAKING: Worst start to the year for Dow since 2008, worst start for S&P 500 and Nasdaq since 2001

wow

>>60055984
This.

Honey anon was actually pretty brilliant. Honey is a high-calorie food that doesn't spoil. I'm amazed it isn't recommended more often by preppers.

Is this it? Will the debt bubble finally pop? Shemitah????

>>60055984
You can buy all of that with it.
There wasn't a time in the history of humanity where gold was valueless.

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CONDUCTOR