Two whites were arrested, convicted, and served time in prison. Then they were released. The feds said "fuck you whiteys" and decided they should go back to prison because reasons. People who are tired of tyrants are doing something about it. Granted, it isn't much. But it's something.
ive really been looking into these patriots involved in the Oregon takeover and these guys are literally American heros Like for years the BLM (Buearu of Land Management) has been taking private property and these are the only guys doing something about it. Even the governor of Texas has been unable to stop the communist-like take over of private land by the federal government.
So yea those militiamen in Oregon are literally patriots. And i doubt many of the people calling them terrorists and laughing at them understand the reality of the situation. Let's see whether they'll still be laughing at these heroes if the BLM ever takes away land that THEY'VE owned for generations for no reason at all
The saddest part is that the issue is still entirely about racism. People who support black lives matter and leftist faggots are literally cheering for he government to murder these modern day heroes because the people involved are white. Turns out they're just as fucking racist as anyone else. So instead of the story being about the federal government using power not granted by the US constitution, the story is once again: " racism in the media"
>>60006300 i don't care too much about the land rights issues with the bundy's because ultimately i could give two shits about broke ass ranchers who can't afford grazing fees and i don't want wildlife refuges sold off to mining companies and loggers but what the court did here needs to stop. appealing sentences after serving the original is a dirty tactic that is overused.
>Of course, Tim McVeigh tried the domestic terrorism thing too, but it didn't turn out that great for him.
What? No, seriously, what the fuck?
McVeigh's explicit goal was to get the FBI and ATF to rewrite their rules of engagement
And guess what happened? They IMMEDIATELY rewrote their rules of engagement, and we have never had a Waco-teir incident since.
McVeigh won. Objectively. He had a goal and it was obtained.
I don't understand what her logic is. Is it because he was executed? He never expected to live through it, so that's a non-starter.
>So did David Koresh.
The fuck? Koresh never threatened anyone. He INVITED THE ATF TO VISIT THE COMPLEX. And the allegations of child abuse (which weren't even the fed's jurisdiction, but that's another story for another time) turned out to be complete bunk. Zero evidence it ever happened.
And even putting that aside, 160+ people got blown the fuck up in revenge for what happened to him, so you can argue that he came out on top.
Did this girl spend even five seconds thinking about what she was typing?
it's kinda funny how american citizens who have never been out of the country are being arrested on no-joke terrorism charges and like the biggest thread on /pol/ right now is fucking trump or some shit
>>60002724 People using their first amendment rights to petition the government by sitting in the parking lot of a facility that's center to 100 years of the federal government bullying and harassing local ranchers. The trigger was the fed appealing the sentencing of two men that had served their full sentences for a questionable conviction and were out of jail. By having a friendly federal judge extending their jail time to 4 times what they had served after they refused yet again to sell their land to the BLM.
fed has wanted your land for years to turn into a wildlife reservoir (i.e. make money)
never sell to them regardless of their constant harassment by ATF and BLM (bureau of land management)
2001, routine bush fire on property
tell fire department beforehand, accidentally burn 100 acres of federal land, put it out yourselves
2006, lightning storm starts bush fire on your property
start backfire to push it away from your private property
cops show up next day and press charges , go to court
get tried and convicted, sentenced to a year in jail
go to prison for roughly one year
get let out, government says you've served your time
2011, feds want your land again, still won't sell
feds issue re-sentencing convicting you of domestic terrorism - now wants to enforce a mandatory minimum
minimum of 5 more years in federal prison
now a convicted terrorist - must serve 5 more years in federal prison
focus heavily on deer/elk hunting on your own property while in season - call it poaching - say lack of evidence is no reason not to plaster it in media
150 men and women occupy a completely empty government building that was closed for the winter - nobody hurt
liberals call them terrorists, make them look radical, don't look into what actually happened and compare to a hypothetical if they were muslim or black etc. yet ask why these people havent been droned/murdered by the feds
When I lived in the Albany, OR area I remember hearing from certain people about how BLM is mismanaging the land and fucking with people that have large plots of land. Never thought much about it till this shit went down. Wish I still lived in OR to have a better idea of whats going on.
>>60009394 What this picture says to me is that the federal government would like to control all the natural resources and all means if growing food. I can easily imagine a scenario where the government owns most of the farmland and only let's a company like Monsanto use it.
>>60009963 To me it's about long term management and strategy. That land out there is shit and it takes many acres to support a tiny heard. We have feed lots for that in current year. Like it or not, smart people are planning for the future.
>>60010087 >>60010276 Well ok, maybe the government does know what's best, maybe the government won't abuse their power this time. Still, the land should be owned by the states, not the federal government.
>>60009121 >Did the Hammonds or did they not commit deliberate arson and if so what was the motive?
They burned part of their property twice, once to remove invasive plants once as a back burn to protect their land and buildings (homes). Both cases small amounts of federal land had the grass burned.
The jury for their trial were not allowed to know what the sentence could be, were not allowed to hear about standard farming practices, had to drive 2 hours a day to get to the trial, the fed was given 6 days while the defense was limited to 1 day. They were convicted and sentenced under a federal terrorism law that covered arson intended for property like buildings or motor pools not grassland. The ranchers appealed the sentence of 5 years and had it reduced to 4 months and 1 year.
After the serving their full sentences the BLM tried yet again to buy their land, they refused. The federal government had a federal judge re-sentence them back to 5 years. The higher courts all refused to hear this case on appeal.
The protesters are in the parking lot of the building that has been the center of almost 100 years of federal government harassment. They have not blocked access to the building other than taking up some of the parking lot. They have not taken the building, or even violated any law as it's all public property.
>>60007193 >The 2nd Amendment gives you the right to join the military >Aren't you glad you live in a free country, where you have the right to join the military? All those people in Nazi Germany probably wish they did when Hitler rose to power.
This is what controlled opposition is. Most extreme views and many of the votes for them are from the government and bots. They have single people controlling more personas than even the most dedicated weird twitter user and it's their mission.
Things are going to get much worse before they get better. The gov wants to legitimize the targeting of individual citizens on the basis of affiliation or opinion.
>>60009816 >>60009875 I don't know, it's still immensely useful to just be able to legally enter land literally in the middle of nowhere. In most of the west, you're usually within 2 or 3 hours' drive of free camping on public land outside of the Bay Area or the LA Basin. As soon as you cross into Texas, for example, this becomes monstrously harder. And private land becomes a nightmare to navigate for entry permits if you have a project that covers multiple sites. While public land is better restricted to wasteland that can't support much anyways, there is a huge benefit to the relatively free access afforded to pretty much anyone by federal land. Unfortunately, states tend to use state land as more of a rent-seeking operation than the federal government does.
For recreation or academic activity, it's simply easier to have access to large tracts of public land than to try to work with potentially dozens of private owners.
Oregon fag here, all my freinds are bluepilled and they are calling them terrorists and laughing at them and even one of teachers went on a rant about how this is "the biggest example of white priveledge in a while" god i fucking hate this state
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