It seems to me that there is a common misconception among people who frequently visit this image board that traditional women are the antithesis of feminism. They are not. I assert that a traditional woman is nothing more than a feminist who wants to get her slaves back.
Traditional women are much more harmful to men than feminists.
>MGTOW 4 life
ITT sissy beta losers lash out at women in anger over their own inability to get pussy and having to resort to cocksucking and other degenerate mgtow faggotry
MGTOW faggots fall into three general groups.
1. Whiny manchildren that try to get others to be as friendless as themselves.
2. Deluded betas that swallowed the koolaid because they've never had substantial interaction with females, and thus have no reason to personally reject the movement for what it is (stupidity.)
3. Well meaning but clueless reactionaries who have become little more than the male version of third wave feminism, eating that "don't breed, goy" line right up like a tasty cum-cream sundae.
It's also evidence of overcrowded urban areas (for that is where such things spawn) hitting a behavioral sink a la Calhoun. The constant exposure to pheremones therein reduces the testosterone and estrogen levels of their respective genders, creating hostile, aggressive non-breeding females and cuckolded, passive, self absorbed males which show little interest in the opposite sex and are instead asexual, homosexual, or apathetic towards competing for mates.
MGTOW are not celibate. Having sex with a woman in no way compromises our ideals.
In order to be MGTOW, all you need to do is refrain from entering into a committed monogamous relationship. That's it. That's all it is.
>refrain from entering into a committed monogamous relationship
Being an adult and not having a wife and children is the epitome of being a beta half fag. You are a genetic deadend and a disgrace to your race. You shit on the graves of all your ancestors
>not going home to your loving wife and adoring children
>going home to play vidya, instead
correction: all you must do is become a good goy. Jews know what's good for them.
This thread again?
This massive faggot is trying to start a revolution!
>my value as a human being is dictated to me by women and their white knight supporters.
>It's is only when I serve women as a provider that my life achieves value.
You have a slaves mentality anon.
The last girl I had sex with used me to cheat on her boyfriend with. The boyfriend got upset at me just like the video linked explains during misplaced anger. It's fascinating that barbar is spot on on this. Anyway I no longer have need for "pussy" - I simply care about raising test scores and outcompeting everyone.
So it's not out of anger that I leave women behind, but out of moral disgust. Until something replaces this broken system, I'm not playing at all.
I think your movement is retarded and the video is hugely biased, but there were some valid points in there. This is why I fucking hate sociology. Half-truths ensconced in agenda, no matter what agenda.
>Going home to a wife that doesn't need you, goes out with friends to party and potentially cheat on you
>Kids hate you because mother exposes them to inane nonsensical brainwashing
>Read books for down time while wife bitches about not spending enough time with her, justifying the need for social interaction of the opposite sex and the potential to cheat.
Nah I'm good, nobody I know is even dating where I live. I know one guy my age who clung onto his wife for a year but she (like the video explains) changed right after marriage and now they are going through a divorce.
Just look your potential wife directly in the eye and tell her that you will fucking kill her if she cheats on you after marriage. It's a good way of weeding out the bad ones.
keep your word though.
If you can't do the above then you are an absolute faggot and don't deserve to have a bloodline
Are you incapacitated? You have no idea what you're missing out on by not having a family who loves you. An adult male without a wife and kids is either a closeted homosexual or a social retard.
weak coward faggots detected. Do you even know how to live?
Also, how do you think mulsims have such a high fertility rate? They keep their women in line. And they're kicking our asses.
But you pussy fags just bitch and wine, not willing to take life by the balls.
>having a family who loves you
Can you proove to us that your wife is staying with you just because she loves you? Or is it just because of financial benefits and having to work less for surviving?
No? There you have it, believing in a loving wife is like beliving in a god in the sky.
You like steak, anon? That's my favorite food. I love a nice New York Strip steak cooked medium rare.
Let's pretend if I were to go to a new restaurant and order my favorite steak, and they rudely serve it to me, and it's terrible because it's overcooked, and chewy, and tastes like burnt rubber.
Do you think I would ever go back to that restaurant? Of course I wouldn't.
But, do you think I would stop eating steak? ;)
ITT thread MGTOW bitches prove that they're not men and that they are happy to let muslims take their white women.
I repeat HAPPY.
What are MGTOWs going to do about muslim immigration? Absolutely nothing. Western women are tired of such betas and will happily vote for more muslim immegration. They would rather be dominated by shariah law and a masculine muslim man than to even look at a beta MGTOW.
Muslim men love to marry beautiful women, and women love to get married.
And no, the muslim men will not be cucked. They know how to dominate their women.
>Or is it just because of financial benefits and having to work less for surviving?
It's like you've never heard of gender roles.
Women could say the same thing:
"Does he really love you, or does he just love fucking your sweet pussy, having someone to help him raise kids and cook, and someone beautiful to look at?"
>never knowing the unconditional love of a child who looks up to you as the greatest, most beautiful man on earth.
Don't deny yourself the joys of a loving family based on silly anecdotes and jew propaganda designed to destroy the white race.
Goddamn right you do, unless you're a fairy or a bitter hermit
Mate, you've got no idea how many sexual partners I've had. Probably even more than some male porn sars. Look, I'll be blunt about this. Women are all the same, men aren't. Women are adult children inept of the understanding of honor, integrity or dignity. Which is why I am choosing not to deal with them any longer. There is no limit to their degradation, society has hoisted their beliefs on a platter. Maybe when more when start waking up will I decide to "date" again. Once you go down the rabbit hole, however, there is zero chance of climbing back up.
It pays lip-service to the notion that feminism has helped(to be clear I don't think it was feminism, but certain things are probably better for both sexes now than they were in traditional times), but it doesn't actually talk about any of them, so the overall effect of the video is to convince you of one side. It's exactly the same shit the Feminists do, they bring out a couple undeniable points, and then they barrage you with evidence for their perspective without talking about the ways in which it breaks down. That's not a pursuit of truth, that's dogma.
Enjoy your cheating wife then, she does not love you for who you are but for what you do FOR HER.
And she will replace you at any given time if the oopertunity arises.
Come to tell us about that relationship that you had with her in about 20 years. Time always exposes any lies.
I can't be bothered to sit here and watch this for an hour, but the gist of the video is that a traditional society is also a bad deal for men? what's the alternative? a whole society of men who don't acknowledge women? that doesn't sound very sustainable to me.
>Maybe when more when start waking up will I decide to "date" again.
they will never wake up of their own accord. it is not in their nature. It is in their nature to be lead. you have to be the one to wake them up. Do you understand?
Women are biologically hardwired to seek a man who will provide them with children and protection. This dates back to prehistoric times.
Since we don't live in caves anymore, your role as the male is to provide a home and the security of shelter, food, clothing, and love.
A healthy woman will stay with the father of her children regardless. Of course there are many examples you can give of shitty women that aren't good mothers, but that's because they're defective, they weren't wired properly or they came from dysfunctional homes.
pic related ITT
try debating with these MGTOW motherfuckers, they always squirm out of your grasp
nonsense, you sound like you have a problem with committing yourself and being faithful.
Pro Tip - a relationship without kids will never lead anywhere. I was married for 8 years and never had kids and it was like being boyfriend girlfriend, complete lacked any sense of being a family. Then I remarried, immediately had a kid, and suddenly my heart felt like it had grown three times in size.
Having children and raising them to be the best humans we can mold is our biological duty. It's how we honor our ancestors and guarantee the survival of our civilization
>Women are biologically hardwired to seek a man who will provide them with children and protection. This dates back to prehistoric times.
This is wrong and you know it, google it ffs.
>I can't be bothered to sit here and watch this for an hour, but the gist of the video is that a traditional society is also a bad deal for men? what's the alternative? a whole society of men who don't acknowledge women? that doesn't sound very sustainable to me.
A society that is built using artificial wombs.
There are examples of cultures completely bereft of monogamy though so it isn't that simple. Culture can in fact impact things as deep as biological imperatives, I mean look at modern birthrates in the first world, that's just about the most unnatural thing we've ever produced.
As a Feminist, I am in full support of MGTOW. Marriage needs to be destroyed.
Monogamy, by definition and by it’s very existence is problematic. We have been socialized by patriarchal standards to seek monogamy when we can do better then that. We are brainwashed into being Mothers, wives and caregivers by the elite so that we give birth to more tax payers for their corrupt system. So by seeking the oppressive institution of marriage we are further contributing to the enslavement & oppression of women.
this is the most cucked shit ever
>just give up because the kikes control the media
the kikes are pushing degeneracy on everyone, but that doesn't stop muslims from having big families in first world countries, does it? That's because they aren't cucked cowards.
You're supposed to fight, not give up like a sissy.
What are you going to say next?
>GOOD GOY KEEP REPRODUCING AND TRYING TO FIGHT ME. OH NO, BAD GOY, DON'T COMPLETELY GIVE UP!
What kind of social change you speak about?
Once artificial wombs are invented all problems relating to women & co will be over, you can kick them out of your homes and leave them to die of hunger, they will not be needed anymore.
Btw did i mention that there won't be any alimony anymore?
It is this easy to control and manipulate you.
I suppose I do, still a mighty shame it's come to this. I already am a leader but these problems stem from tree root to branch bark.
That three times size context is still illusionary. Much like having God come first in the relationship, infantilizing both you and the woman. Children may keep a relationship steady, however it doesn't last - mate. Again from experience - these are the end times for dating.
Our bodies are the latest hardware, but our minds are wired with ancient software that was programmed during prehistoric times and was based on evolutionary design best adapted for survival. That's why people today have irrational fears, such as fear of snakes, spiders, heights, or tight spaces. These fears are hereditary, hardwired into the brain while you're still in the womb. For instance, there are Amerindian tribes who have no fear at all of heights. In NYC, all of the construction ironworkers are Mohawk indians from upstate NY and Canada. They can walk I-beams one thousand feet above the streets of NYC with their eyes closed, without any safety equipment, after consuming a six pack of beer and snorting an 8 ball of coke.
so you're going to genocide an entire gender, but they don't even account for all social problems in the world. You're still going to have problems ha ha.
You're a fucking retarded coward who has to rely on genocide to get what you want instead of dealing with problems in a normal way.
It's just like the communists. "The rich are oppressing me. Kill them all! That will solve our problems!"
No it won't.
>Why the fuck do you keep posting this shit?
Welcome to /pol/
>It pays lip-service to the notion that feminism has helped
No it doesn't. Did you even watch the video?
Are you actually asserting that in order for that video to not be biased, it has to conceded that feminism is good? lol, really?
>What kind of social change you speak about?
a society where women realize that being a hedonist until the age of 30, and then trying to get a man to marry them after theyre worn out isn't whats best for them. men also have to realize that being feminized and weak isn't a way to live either. change has to come from both genders.
I don't really believe you think replacing all women with technology is viable or morally sound, but if you do I implore you to reconsider
Cultures are products of the intellectual and emotional characteristics of the races that create them. Cultural differences reflect racial differences.
When British Colonialist first arrived in the New World, they were disgusted by the native Amerindian culture, where women were usually promiscuous and the men were seen as lazy and as cuckolds. The Brits, and other Europeans, were surprised at how the native women would openly express sexual interest in them, even in front of the native men, which must have been quite awkward, indeed.
Now, I'm sure you're thinking I'm exaggerating or shitposting because muh cuck meme on pol, however, I assure you this is easily confirmed on google
Hitler himself was a MGTOW, retard. This picture you posted applies to you stormfags.
Listen, you filthy dirty jew,
National pride and love of one's immediate family and extended family (community and nation) are conducive to the survival of the White race, and only shit-stirring parasitic jews would want to derail this conversation with claims of otherwise.
why are you trying to argue about normalcy and morality with a jew. You should know what his end goal is.
little goy slaves
There are many men and women that appreciate marriage for the partnership and friendship. Some people also love raising a family together too.
What's wrong with being a mother?
I'm married, young (23), educated (Speech therapist), and I love being married. I don't feel oppressed at all. My husband is a little older and also educated. He folds the clothes and does the dishes. I usually do everything else and most of the cooking (his cooking is horrible). Marriage isn't unnatural it's actually seen in nature in some animals. I enjoy it very much and I'm happy I live with my best friend. Sorry it didn't work out for you. Please enjoy your cats
I honestly feel sorry for and pity any anon foolish enough to put off marriage and having children for the pursuit of pleasure in playing vidya, smoking weed, shitposting on reddirt, eating microwave pizza and doritos, and masturbating to japanese anime
>implying monogamy isn't beta
>implying guys that play the field are beta
>implying you're not projecting
Where in America do you live? When I was there I probably banged your girlfriend. If not me, someone else for sure.
The solid family unit was destroyed thanks to female degeneracy.
>Yes boyim, marry a white woman, nevermind that she's been indoctrinated with feminist gobbledigook you can undo all of it!
>She'll cheat on you and take half of your shit but it's called being responsible boyim, it's called being an adult.
Just to clarify, the disapproval of the capable adult male who abstains from family life is due to the fact that said male does not pursue anything better, and is instead involved only in self-centered pursuits, yes?
Do you feel this same level of disapproval toward celibate men who pursue what they feel are "higher callings," such as celibate monks or spiritual aspirants? These men consider sex and association with women an obstacle to unimpeded contemplation of their ideal, but don't appear (to me at least) to be involved in self-centered pursuits instead (which is what appears to be the factor that elicits the hate).
Just trying to understand what's really offensive about all this.
No, it has to concede that it's own perspective has at least some flaws. Feminism is fucking retarded on a basis-by-basis metric. The problem with the video is that it never even suggests that it might be wrong about some of the issues it talks about, that is a fucking red flag right there.
I don't understand what MGTOW is supposed to be about
All I want in life is to find a job that is emotionally fulfilling and marry a woman who will be faithful.
What does MGTOW have to say about that?
your memes are too professional. all of them. And many of them look like they're done by the same person/team.
As for this meme, why the hell would Jews worry that men are going their own way? They would be overjoyed. Don't you know they were behind the feminist movement, which encouraged women to leave men because of "oppressive patriarchy."
They want the sexes to leave each other alone. An isolated audience is easier to influence.
For example without the positive influence of men, women have nothing to do but listen to the Jewish media machine for guidance. Cosmopolitan magazine, Oprah, Facebook, etc.
Men stepping out of harm's way is a keystone that triggers white knights and women because we are the true Alpha males, the ones who lift and pursue intellectual study as hobby. They want us back in the system so that we can be like they are, HA. Haters gonna hate
>They want the sexes to leave each other alone. An isolated audience is easier to influence.
it's actually even simpler than that. the more MGTOWs and feminists there are the less goyim will be born that could possible cause another shoah
do you think this is an adequate alternative to a real woman? I don't. although, it may spur women to shape up in response to the competition that things like your picture will create.
maybe he's just a guy who got burned by a woman, and not a propagandist.
na. your whole ideology is built on worrying a woman is going to cheat on you.
alphas don't have to worry about that because their natural dominant manly nature keeps women loyal.
don't kid yourself. you're just a scorned beta who's found a way to rationalize his inability to deal with the opposite sex.
this is why you find the women young/virgin and continually fight against the jewish media machine.
Feminism worked for women because they are passive. MGTOW should not work for men because we are active. We are agents of change in society, not weak defeatists.
>your whole ideology is built on worrying a woman is going to cheat on you.
My whole ideaology is fuck women, I don't care about them. I've had more one night flings and steady relationships then days you've been alive ou spastic schizoid imbecile. The fact that you can't grasp this point means that you're too far gone to save. You're stuck in a pathetic fantasy world, so fine by me - stay there.
>your memes are too professional.
These are not my memes, aside from some screenshots I sometimes post.
>As for this meme, why the hell would Jews worry that men are going their own way?
1. Because MGTOWs spend less money.
2. Because MGTOWs spend less money in family courts.
3. Because MGTOWs are not fooled into protecting Jewish run countries.
It's really telling how you try to protect Jewish business schemes, anon.
this is what /fit/ actually believes
m8, don't even start with saying I don't lift because I do but don't kid yourself into thinking that lifting and reading selfhelp books is noble and well sought after
And I feel sorry for you. I don't know which is going to be worse for you, your divorce or the dead eyes you stare at in the mirror every morning as you brush your teeth before work, an exhausted shell of a man resigned to his fate because he couldn't afford one.
Lol when I say dishes and clothes he'll help out if I don't get to it. It's not like I make him do it. He's a fussy guy.
Adjusting to working full time and driving an hour to work everyday has been a bit difficult anon.
they don't care about heights. People like myself, who are afraid of heights, could never do what Mohawks can.
Here's another Amerindian anecdote: researchers wanted to see if brain size could determine intelligence, they posited that bigger brains would be better and that people with greater cranial capacity would have greater intelligence as measured by IQ.
With Blacks, Whites and Asians, the tests showed a positive correlation between brain size and IQ, however, they found that Inuit (eskimos) Amerindians had large heads but scored lower IQ. What was the significance of this low eskimo IQ?
Well, they discovered that the Inuit had this unique ability to navigate on dead reckoning from point A to point B over long distances in bad weather conditions with constantly changing landscape covered in snow and without any visual landmarks or reference points. This would be impossible for any outsider, but the Inuit had adapted this survival skill intelligence after thousands of years of evolution in that environment with those selective pressures.
>MGTOW should not work for men because we are active. We are agents of change in society, not weak defeatists.
Yadayada, if you are so great destroying feminism, then prove it.
MGTOW already works like a charm. Actively fighting against feminism didn't work at all.
>Traits sought after
Again with this near shill rhetoric. I don't care what is sought after. I don't care what others think of me, especially women. I don't care if you lift or not, why are you even replying to me?
>Just trying to understand what's really offensive about all this.
If you don't care about any of that why are you saying you, yourself, are an alpha male? Something which only hold true in social settings and it's something that's linked to you?
If you don't care about any of that why do you use "they want us back into system" as an argument?
Surely, if you don't care about any social reasoning you'd have personal arguments about MGTOW and why you follow it instead of using arguments that are socially backed?
>The problem with the video is that it never even suggests that it might be wrong about some of the issues it talks about
Because it isn't. If you have any particular argument you would like to make, proceed, but the notion that the argument is wrong because it isn't self-effacing is ridiculous.
why would you fight against feminism and not the people who created and pushed it?
that's like attacking a straw man even though you know it's a straw man. a pretty dumb strategy desu
Women created feminism. Women push it.
>why would you fight against feminism
MGTOWs don't fight feminism. Anti-feminists fight feminism. MGTOWs starve feminism by refusing to contribute.
>Again with alpha/beta rhetoric that doesn't mean anything to me
Means enough to use it in your own argument so if you can't even argee with yourself on what means something to you ant what doesn't, what value does your opinion hold?
>and why you follow it instead of using arguments that are socially backed?
So, a guy that doesn't care about how people see him uses arguments that are directly linked to how people see him and that somehow links to not wanting to be me?
wew lad, the mental gymnastics are hard at play here
Because it's like tackling Medusa in a subway where people thought Medusa was just an old women. Feminism at its core shows women's true colors when left to social conditioning, as well as the men that support and follow a hivemind society.
Look at how easily I am attacked in this thread for at first simply stating I don't want anything to do with women. It's stifling to them, stuck in their ways to even glimpse an alternative motive or reality.
It's funny because that's really all they have.
>MGTOW are just loser beta faggots who can't get pussy
When an individual finds a way to rid themselves of being concerned with 'muh golden bajina,' this shocks and surprises everyone. All they have are social shaming tactics and what they can't seem to grasp is that it doesn't work on the individual who has opted out of this pseudo obligation to society.
No one has to do anything, and the people who operate on the short-term gratification of wanting to find women for its own sake are frightened that someone could possibly live life entirely for themselves.
But they'll continue to complain, and men will continue to opt out. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do to stop it.
>Ah yes, this thread
I enjoy these threads. Stormfags get BTFO EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.
They have nothing but insults and shamings. Oh, and decade old painting from pulp magazines.
Meanwhile MGTOW is getting stronger and stronger.
I'm not attacking your for not wanting to be with women, I'm not attacking you at all. If someone starting an argument with you is an attack it's best you stay away from social settings and it's obvious why you don't care about them - because you can't handle them.
I'm saying your argument doesn't hold true with your own views and is therefore non sensical.
ok. but why? Trump shilling is because some people and/or his campaign team want him to win the presidency. That's obvious.
But why are you guys shilling these MGTOW threads so hard? Spending about 3+ hours every day posting these threads and replying to comments on them. What makes you so passionate about spreading the MGTOW cause?
Does marriage help you have less stress, less risk of cancer and heart disease, and live longer?
>alternative motive or reality.
pretty common mode of reality actually. I guess you don't go outside much.
/pol/ presents the alternate mode. The one with gender roles and unbroken families.
So let me ask you the same, can you provide evidence that societal "norms" of courtship, dating, marriage are a success? Because you can't, and they aren't. You will just go with a fluttering notion of love to make the same mistakes other men have. That's your business, I'm only replying to you because you replied to me first - I guess that means if you continue because I have merit. Anger. You are only upset because you cannot control me or my beliefs - a simple agitation to someone caught unaware in the social dilemma we all face. Much like
>>60005878 image related said
>live life entirely for themselves.
this is the core of MGTOW and feminism. complete selfishness.
but look at the book he posted. a jew who literally wrote about how greed was good. i bet he actually thinks greed and selfishness is a good thing
MGTOWs and feminists are victims of jewish cultural subversion.
Nice, I'm sure by avoiding women they'll change, just sit back and don't reproduce OP, the state death tax is something like 100%, so anything you squirrel away will eventually end up in the hands of single mothers and terrible women anyways.
Heck, you may as well kill yourself now, save yourself the hassle of waking up to be 30+ and all alone.
Everyone is selfish. Every living, breathing person is selfish.
When you eat, you're selfish.
When you sleep, you're selfish.
All of these are done to benefit YOU. Using 'selfish' as a statement holds no weight. That's like saying the core of having a roof over your head is to provide comfort and security.
Well, no shit.
a son and his father hunting. MGTOWs will never experience this because they will die before their precious artificial wombs become affordable.
>But why are you guys shilling these MGTOW threads so hard?
The only ones who are shilling are the stormfags and single moms who post for the 200th time "MGTOWs beta faggot losers who live in celibacy because they are too ugly to leave mom's basement. Real alpha men work out and support women".
Triggered like the cucks and leeches they are.
>this is the core of MGTOW and feminism. complete selfishness.
And the core of anti-MGTOWness is cunt overglorification.
classic jewish debate tactics. trying to deconstruct everything.
what matters is HOW selfish.
btw I wonder what MGTOWs think of Christianity? I bet they fucking hate it because MGTOW is a jewish-invented ideology.
How is not wanting to deal with nagging woman selfish? I don't like woman why would I want to be around one 24 hours a day.
>"hurr im better than u i have sex every day and u are a virgin imbecile"
>"WHY ARE PEOPLE ATTACKING ME"
lol you're so dumb
I'm not attacking you for your MGTOW ways, I just think you should not insult other people, if you think you have found something that helps you deal with life then you should be nice to other people and try to explain how do you find happiness
When I hear MGTOW I think about men who can have pussy whenever they want, they just don't want women to mess up their daily lives with their demands and emotions. If you're living this kind of life then congrats pal, if you're one of those who "quits" sex just because he can't get a women wet, then you're wasting your time arguing that your life is better than ours
These threads appear alsmot every single day now, with only ever three same people posting pro. One american, one australian who's basically an underage retard and that other Russian.
No way in hell this is not directed from RoK or some other "le redpill" cesspool. Roosh and Aurini and his fellow degenerates have been called out on their shucking and jiving, and now resort to what basically amounts to raiding and spam.
Just stop responding to these retards.
>this one autistic Russian who ALWAYS posts in MGTOW threads on /pol/
If you are so "smart", "enlightened" and have so much precious free time, why the FUCK do you spend every fucking minute of your day posting these garbage pictures on /pol/?
What I mean is that the MGTOWs start these threads. We dont' start anti-MGTOW threads because until recently this place used to be clean of the MGTOW filth.
So why are you guys putting so much effort into making your threads twice a day?
BTW here's a picture of a beautiful woman. Don't you fucking hate her? Ha ha faggot.
>celibate monks or spiritual aspirants
I don't consider religious freaks to be real men, I think of them like eunuchs.
A male who doesn't intend to marry and raise a family isn't fulfilling his obligation to propagate the human species
>claims I engaged instead
I never said I quit sex, if it comes my way fine. I quit the burdens of relationships, however. There is a difference between pandering for sex and hook ups
>BTW here's a picture of a beautiful woman. Don't you fucking hate her? Ha ha faggot.
1. She looks retarded.
2. It's some painting, idiot. Not the real world West of the 21st century.
>We dont' start anti-MGTOW threads because until recently this place used to be clean of the MGTOW filth.
Lol, the only filth is the anti-MGTOW group.
>muh dik - the ideology
we Socrates now
never heard of a stormfag advocating women's rights. What planet are you from?
>My whole ideology is fuck women, I don't care about them.
so you're fine with being alone for the rest of your life? serious question
i know a lot of you guys actually think you'll be able to pull young hot broads when you're in your 40's, but that's not going to happen.
Well, looks like you fucked up or are lying.
They do, and they're too big on fedora tipping to realize that traditional Christianity, should they convert and be a firm believer, or at least adhere to the teachings, provides everyone, not just women, with morals, and therefore avoids most of the problems they always complain about.
However theres a large undertone of egotism/narcissism in most MGTOW line of thinking..
Alright mate if that is how your life truly is then I honestly congratulate you, seems that a helluva lot of people have trouble finding a balance between liking women and taking time for themselves.
Lots of people I know (irl, not online) seem to just justify that they're not getting laid by claiming that they don't really care about women, but you can tell how bitter they feel about it, they are just lying to themselves and this just makes it more difficult for them to change. It's okay to be a loser if you're only willing to admit that you are one. I myself am an incredible loser and only recently I realized how unattractive I am to women since I'm quite shy, unemployed and I only know about science and politics which never got any woman wet.
Money > age
Also you should have said 60s. Plenty of good looking men in their 40s.
>i know a lot of you guys actually think you'll be able to pull young hot broads when you're in your 40's, but that's not going to happen.
I'm already an oldfag, my previous wife was 15 years my younger. Will I die alone? No because I've found companionship with peers in and outside of hobbies/interests. I've also picked up free tutoring on the side for kids that are actually interested in learning with decent brain matter. I believe men need to replace women to a degree, if anything to reach self potential.
ok, here's some modern women for you to hate.
Don't you just hate these parasitic filth? You don't want anything to do with them, do you? These so-called brainwashed feminist cunts.
>That video is a very potent redpill. I'm distributing redpills for the benefit of my fellow man.
You're doing god's work, and bar bar is a very good Youtuber. I agree with him on almost everything, except that MGTOWs can't marry.
I am of the opinion that you can be a married MGTOW, and I believe that although the MGTOW scene currently thinks that marriage is a disqualifier, I think they will eventually come around.
Disallowing to marry reduces MGTOWs too much to a "personal woman-man thing". MGTOWs can be MGTOWs in many ways, pic related.
I was with a girl for 4 years, we were engaged, and I caught her with a friend. I don't think I'll ever trust a woman like that again, I was lucky enough to not get her pregnant and we wanted kids and everything. Not worth the risk, they lack self control and the ability to plan.
this. this is why i like /r9k's brand of MGTOWism. at least they're honest with themselves and know the reason they've had so many bad experiences with women is because themselves.
when they say they want to give up women it's because they feel like they have no chance with them. these MGTOWs actually believe these elaborate lies they spew
>Don't you just hate these parasitic filth?
All you did was post some pretty faces. That's women's main feature: Being a pile of turd wrapped in a pretty body.
Your post doesn't disprove that women are parasitic filth, your post only proves how easy women have it to trigger responses in your brain.
why don't you just call yourselves niggers?
So say im a participant in this wierd movement and one of the girls i casually fuck starts to prove(for example gives me the passwords to all her social media accounts) shes legit wife material, am i allowed to marry her and have kids?
>. at least they're honest with themselves and know the reason they've had so many bad experiences with women is because themselves.
MGTOW is not necessarily about personal experiences. It's also about hurting a gynocentric society, even if you only had good experiences with women.
Your problem is you are degenerate and don't attract good women.
Constantly treating yourself and women like sexual objects, being a slut and complaining that no innocent sweet virgins are attracted to you. You sound like a third wave feminist.
>Women are adult children inept of the understanding of honor, integrity or dignity.
Now comes the point where MGTOW admit's they're a bunch of promiscuous degenerates.
What are you clowns doing on /pol/? Dont you know that a nation cannot survive for long without strong families?
Who will raise the next generation of leaders? Not your nigger asses.
My mother abandoned me and my father was a graduate of the Frankfurt school. He would always ask me about himself.
Joking, they were in a stable relationship until at the same time they cheated on one another to later divorce. I was older though, growing up was what I imagine the nuclear family was supposed to be. Church every sunday, family traditions and the like. Their relationship was pretty good up until then though.
>Now comes the point where MGTOW admit's they're a bunch of promiscuous degenerates.
>Dont you know that a nation cannot survive for long without strong families?
Oh look, the feminist appears and wants a feminist shithole like the US to survive.
Blaming and shaming men, defending feminism. What are you doing at /pol/? /pol/ means politically incorrect, what you posted was 100% mainstream.
>hurting a gynocentric society
won't happen. Women will just vote for muslim immigrants to come in as is currently happening in Europe. These strong muslim men will have no problem marrying some sweet virgin white pussy and dominating the shit out of it.
You're like a moron standing on the deck of the titanic, screaming at the rest of us for not having a bucket in our hand.
I firmly believe that the only solution to feminism is to let society collapse.
THIS IS WHY MEN ARE GOING THEIR OWN WAY. WOMEN CANNOT BE TRUSTED.
>Men Going Their Own Way
More like "Men Coming Their Own Way", a.k.a into a fucking tissue.
>what you posted was 100% mainstream
No, what I posted was not mainstream at all in western countries.
The MGTOW idea of being promiscuous and never marrying is the new mainstream. Have you been paying any attention?
Tradition is now counter-culture.
>No, what I posted was not mainstream at all in western countries.
Yes it is. Blaming and shaming men, while putting all responsibility on them, is 100% mainstream.
Girls are hot and I want to fuck them. The only problem is I want to fuck them all and I don't want to deal with them for the most part. Cuddling at night and sex is about the only part that matters, other than that I just want to be left the fuck alone.
Not even MGTOW, currently in a relationship. But I'll probably just end up bored or annoyed like always. Plus I feel jealousy from time to time in a relationship and I don't like that at all. Jealousy is probably the most shit emotion in the fucking world.
Idk, maybe shit would be different with kids. But I'd probably just end up annoyed with them too.
MGTOW even supports marriage in some of their arguments. Single parenthood is one of the leading causes of poverty, and a huge predictor of whether said child will also be a single parent or end up in prison. Marriage and family life is good for society. Also children of divorced parents are more likely to have mental problems.
I don't agree because a traditional woman offers a "fair" trade if that is what a man wants. She offers to do house work, take care of children, etc, in return for support from the man. If a man wants that trade then that's fair.
>I firmly believe that the only solution to feminism is to let society collapse.
We will only be taken over by a stronger non-feminist country like Russia or be conquered by Muslim invaders.
Never heard of a power vacuum? That shit gets filled, and not by niggers like you.
Under shariah law, you will only be getting your precious casual sex with goats and little boys. In essence, you will be forced to marry if you want normal sex.
>he said societies can't survive without a strong nuclear family.
And? He shamed men and made men responsible for "strong nuclear families". Typical mainstream bullshit. Exactly why MGTOW is growing.
>lol you know there are ID's right?
Yeah sorry, I thought you were him.
please stop it with "muh shaming". you are seriously sounding just like a feminist
men are responsible for strong nuclear families because we are the stronger, smarter sex. we built society, we should be able to control a woman. if you can't control a woman something is seriously wrong with you.
>please stop it with "muh shaming". you are seriously sounding just like a feminist
>men are responsible for strong nuclear families
No, they are not.
>because we are the stronger, smarter sex
Except that it isn't a battle of sexes, but a battle of men vs governments.
>we built society
That was before women were allowed to vote.
>if you can't control a woman something is seriously wrong with you.
Bait of the dwarf.
>muh slut shaming
>muh institutionalized misandry
at least it's normal for women to act like retarded victims
>if you can't control a woman something is seriously wrong with you.
That's shaming though - it's not a man's fault for not living up to the attractions females seek. Also any attempt to put your foot down is thwarted by the notions that men need to be civilized. You can't be a man in this day and age, things are too intergrated. Which is why mgtow exists, separating from the bullshit.
>Marriage and family life is good for society
Was~ good for society. What we have now with a near 75% divorce rate from women means that the rules have changed. Until society collapses or is safe as a whole will family units be able to formulate and exist. This is a hostile environment now, things have changed. There is far too much emphasis on sex as a freedom and family being a burden. One day men and women will realize the social constructs we have within and only then can we unapologetically begin focusing on reaffirming our male-female relationships. Until then, women are too amorally conniving to settle for. So thus mgtow exists
>oyvey you're the victim of the oppressive matriarchy!
>can't slutshame me! Proud independent myn! Don't need no woman!
On a societal whole it is true. I'm not talking about myself in this context, however. Have you ever been to University? There are groups dedicated to walking on eggshells in front of women such as women's debate, feminism for men. All of these things are inclusive but if you don't accept or agree with them then you are labeled something incorrect or wrong.
Now in regards to women cheating, grow the fuck up.
Finally someone posted this fag. I am now convinced that this daily spam is a concentrated effort from RoK/Le Game autists to take back their hold on /pol/ after they fall out of fashion with their whining about how girls were nasty.
And all of these claims that MGTOWs are somehow all these players are just laughable. Look at their fucking ideologues like Aurini or Roosh.
These guys couldn't land a really good, adjusted woman if they tried. Aurini is like 5 ft tall.
Psudo-intellectual bitter nerds trying to rationalize their bottom-tier social standing. It all comes back to be, i remember now why /pol/ quickly got fed up with their bullshit.
Trying to take back the fleeting glory days? Good luck with that, fellas.
I have 3 sisters.
I love and respect all of them, and they are all extremely smart ladies. I have never seen them bring anyone I would consider by this board's term "degenerate," but I have seen them hurt by "degenerate" males.
You all pick the wrong women and let yourself be controlled by society and societal views of sex.
And if you get married without a prenup, it's not the lady's fault.
You're just a goddamn cuck
I guess it's true that by virtue of their birth sex, women have innate predispositions towards being parascitical, unremarkable, conniving and narcissistic.
But I plan to wifey a woman who is ostensibly not fake, a then, God willing, I'll know which of the aforementioned traits she truly possesses and to what extent.
The girl I have right now is extremely fucking hot. I don't even know how I got her -- I honestly just pretended that I was good enough for her and it worked. Fuckers. I guess it helps I've got a future.
My girl isn't too unremarkable in that she's very intelligent. She's very parascitical though. I like that OP -- traditionality. She'll be a good housewife.
She's not narcissistic enough to be inclined towards leaving me at the first "better" opportunity though. I can tell she loves me.
Anyways how fucked am I /pol/,
Sure, under the risk of ridicule. Not being a defeatist, the younger men simply cannot thrive. Especially the ones without father figures. You can scream "Just be a man, damnit!" all day but it won't solve the issues brought on by society.
no dude. It's either jews or some geopolitical competitor like russians. Only a political enemy with a lot at stake would shill this hard. Normal people would have given up 5 days ago.
But considering how jews were behind feminism and this shit smells so similar, I think it's jews. They hate our power and want us to kiss their feet.
you can be ridiculed for nearly anything. why would you force yourself to act out a delusion to save yourself from a little ridicule?
ridicule those faggots right back and laugh in their faces
>is a concentrated effort from RoK
RoK/Roosh is against MGTOW. RoK is for neomasculinism. RoK is stormfag tier, that's why he is whining a lot recently, because he loses influence as stormfags die out and more men go MGTOW.
>Normal people would have given up 5 days
They aren't normal, they're legit autistic. Look at how they type and respond to any kind of argument or question. I doubt it's legit shills. Just Roosh's drones taking one for the team.
That doesn't make them less of the Jews, though, cause the entire PUA/Game/MGTOW movement is hailed by Jewish snake oil salesmen and is just another side of cultural marxist divide and conquer dialectic.
Thanks, this is an interesting point of view. I got the sense, however, that some of the men against celibate men (which, in my understanding, is a small subset of MGTOW) may have had some nuanced criteria which would possibly exempted celibates pursuing spiritual/religious/academic catharsis and achievement from the same sort of scorn. Maybe that's not the case.
I'd still be interested to get some more perspectives from people who express (apparently unqualified) disdain for male celibacy. I for one definitely see celibate spiritual aspirants/monks/saints as "manly," in that they show a tremendous amount of will-power in the pursuit of their chosen ideal.
The "beast" of desire, pursuit-for-pleasure, and complacency is very difficult to "slay." It may not be necessary or even helpful for the average man to do so, but I don't know how we can call those who do (or endeavor to) any less of a "man."
I don't think I'm made of the stuff to pursue that sort of life, for what it's worth. But I respect the hell out of those who are fit for the task.
Very interesting and beautiful perspective. Though, I would note that monks do not "minister" in the sense you speak of. Maybe some monks do, but there are many "contemplative orders" who do not transact with the secular world.
In the sense that eunuchs are not associated with the assertive/macho tropes of masculinity, I would agree. Saintliness can certainly be viewed as "sissyness" by some. Is a human species without the illumination of values and perspectives kept alive by the "living religion" embodied by saints still a species worth propagating? Is there nothing in life besides propagation?
Or, do you think that there's a time for turning from the world of relative experiences to the Absolute, and that time is after the "family life" stage of life is over? There are certainly some cultures which would concur (c.f. Indian varna-Ashrama system, in which the ascetic contemplation stages (of vAnaprastha and sannyAs) are prescribed after the householder stage (of grhastAshrama)).
first thing i would say is to not get mad with/at liberals. just appeal to their emotion, and use peer pressure/shame tactics, laugh at them, call them dumb. basically the same thing they do.
it's super effective. save the intellectual discussion for people who actually want to have it. most people don't.
Here's a real redpill for you: you think all women are out to suck the life out of you because that's what your relationship with your mother was like and your parents are most likely divorced.
If you have negative experiences with dating it's because you keep going for shit women similar to your shit mother, probably without even realizing it, and then it's more comfortable to tell yourself all women are like that and it's not just your mother was an especially shit person and you have especially shit taste in women.
So either get some therapy and get your issues worked out or go for the cheaper option of going for women who are the polar opposite of your mother, most likely women you consider boring.
Women are the source of all evil in this planet, Science will soon provide the means to turn women's role in our species obsolete, and then we can finally throw out the dead weight of our species that is our female counterpart.
We'll have worldwide peace, nations will thrive under the collective male supremacy, no more women will give vote for socialists and communists, and the SJW movement will be eradicated forever; truly a golden age for humanity will dawn.
also the other bit is assuming you have the moral high ground, and framing the debate.
leftists are the masters at this. that's why they've destroyed us in the culture war. the right is always catching up and reacting to the left. we can never win like that
so is video related your idea of utopia?
>it is 3000 years in the future
>two centuries have passed since the war of the pink flesh
>that's why they've destroyed us in the culture war.
No, the left has destroyed the right because the left is winning by sheer numbers. Women are allowed to vote, hence the left will always win because women don't respond to arguments. That's why MGTOW is so successful, it doesn't argue with women. MGTOWs just fuck women and reduce the contact and help to a bare necessity.
This pic is a nice example of MGTOW and how it hurts women.
Yes but less tunics and more morals to keep everyone in check.
Wow, so the kikes got them. Unless you are impregnating these chicks then you are a shame on your race, find a girl of your race and produce children, teach them your culture and flourish. Otherwise the whole world will become a land of casual sex and interbred fucking mongrels with the kikes standing triumphant.
Fuck off, mangina. Going my own way was the best decision ever. I'll never regret it.
don't marry a girl like that then you fucking halfwit. Dated my wife for 6 years before we got married, finding out a persons true self before marrying them is a good idea, if you don't do that then of course youre going to end up with some dumb cunt slutbag
they can't really argue with you because family=love family=life in asia.
What are they going to do, call you a cuck for being a normal asian man?
Think about it
>No more women to degenerate society even further
>No more women to vote for leftists
>No more women to spread STDs
>No more women abusing the justice system
>No more women in social media
>No more women to oppress you
>No more women to make you feel insecure
>No more women to bitch about 'injustices'
>No more women to fuel the Feminist and SJW movement
>No more women to stop you from following your dreams
It's a ticket to heaven folks, and I'm in the front row.
>No more women to breed with
>Humanity dies out
Your artificial wombs won't be a thing in the next 5 centuries, my non-white friend.
But don't breed if you want to, one less animewatching mentally ill manchild on this who won't pollute our gene pool,
>artificial wombs won't be a thing in the next 5 centuries
You underestimate humanity's ingenuity. We are men and as men we'll overcome all challenges and obstacles laid down upon us, and the female obstacle is just about to be won over.
Nah, it's pretty shitty. I have a great relationship with my mother, and I would be more than happy if I ended up with a wife like her. As for dating, my list of red flags is so long you might think I don't actually want a woman. I've never even stuck my dick in crazy. I'm sure my brothers wish they could say the same.
You aren't overcoming anything.
You're just lazily rotting away in your basement while real men invent things.
You just take credit for it because you're a pathetic weebshit who has accomplished nothing in his life.
There is literally no reason to give genetic trash like you acces to an artificial womb.
Does sleeping alone in a cold bed get old? Always having to do your own domestics, no one to help you when you are sick, no one to comfort you when you are sad? Sounds great anon.
Should of dated or lived together for that long then he would of seen the truth. don't give up on a family because your friends are too fucking stupid to avoid that shit, some women have been corrupted by todays culuture for sure but there are countless more good ones, just keep an eye out.
You people truly have no legitimate arguments against MGTOW aside from passive aggressive sarcasm. No different from how the progressive Left engage in discourse with their opposition.
>Does sleeping alone in a cold bed get old?
>Always having to do your own domestics
There's nothing wrong with working, be for yourself or money.
>no one to help you when you are sick
I can deal with sickness on my own. I'm introverted anyway. The less people around, the better.
>no one to comfort you when you are sad?
I don't get sad. I'm a man, after all - I'm in control of my emotions, unlike the manginas ITT who are easily butthurt over the mere thought of male autonomy.
Nope. Only trash here. Eat shit and die.
threadly reminder that MGTOWs are degenerate man-sluts. Pic related.
>inb4 stop slut shaming me!!
can MGTOWs into polyamory? Why not?
Also what about homosexuality? What's the MGTOW stance on that.
Let me guess, the stance is "do what thou will."
"do what thou will" is the atheist nihilist MGTOW philosophy. Complete freedom!
>inb4 stop shaming me for being a free myn!
this picture brings no shame to the MGTOW's heart. He celebrates sluthood! More sluts == more free pussy for him!
Enjoying spending time in the company of my SO is pretty fucking needy?
Having a partner in life has enabled me to focus on the what I really enjoy doing. If you want to be a MGTOW go for it. I've seen what happened to the men my dad knew who were MGTOW. Birdshot for breakfast before they hit 50.
Actually, by definition, a MGTOW cannot have sex with women without sluthood. This is because the MGTOW eschews long-term committed relationships and families.
If all women became conservative, all the MGTOW's pussy supply would dry up! He would be forced to a lifetime of masturbation, or to fuck other men.
Maybe it's more than a coincidence that MGTOWs tolerate faggotry and other forms of immorality.
>Birdshot for breakfast before they hit 50.
"I'm a strong independent man, don't need no woman or kids"
"I'm fine, nothing wrong here. Having a blast here by myself. Nice to have some peace and quiet."
"I'm a man! I don't need nobody."
*breaks down sobbing*
>Having a partner in life has enabled me to focus on the what I really enjoy doing.
>If you want to be a MGTOW go for it
I intend to
>I've seen what happened to the men my dad knew who were MGTOW. Birdshot for breakfast before they hit 50
>things that never happen
Where's the shills? Maybe it's time for them to go to bed. Or maybe they feel they are triumphant?
Of course they'll be at it again same time tomorrow, forgetting everything we discussed in this thread. It'll be a fresh slate.
Just like in this pic: >>60003047
>How about an actual argument against MGTOW?
Only single moms, stormfags and feminists are against MGTOW. Since the discussions on MGTOW started on /pol/, these elements have not been able to bring forward one rational argument. It's all "you're a gay virgin too ugly to have a normal relationship yadayada".
It's not even adhoms. It's adhoms against their created fantasies, see pic.
I love these MGTOW threads, not only do stormfags lose the argument every time, every time there are less and less stormfags involved.
"do what thou wilt" in the sense A. Crowley meant it is the absolute opposite of "do whatever you want".
He says "You have no right other than to do your will."
It's the most serious dedication to ones own will. Not to stray a single iota from the path your will.
I've had no money at all and a bleak future. My gf still stayed with me for months.
Now I've got a great job lined up and we are optimistic.
You're thinking like a hypocrite, you don't want a leech wife...unsuprisingly She doesn't want a leech husband.
If you can't figure the rest out, gender roles etc, that's your own problem. The gene pool is better off without someone who can't navigate a relationship or life.
you are a legend.
keep up the good work.
>but beware of how women are these days.
All the rational things I heard on MGTOW videos are more about state instead of women of these days, they say women have always had similar instincts, but with laws protecting women and society accepting their selfish behavior men are getting fucked over huge time, even when men are being responsible, which is about marriage laws and court bias.
Even in a perfect society with clear gender roles you'll get few bad eggs, if you're expecting perfect women or thinking women of old days were better you're deluding yourself. I don't think it's like a lottery when state(thus females) always have the upper hand, still I wouldn't blame only women for that.
What you tradcucks fail to realize is that the woman you aspire to find is such a rarity these days that you'll be celibate looking to find the right woman for years. We MGTOWs call this a "unicorn" - simply because statistically, they do not exist.
Have fun trying to reprogram a woman that had 1 Mile of dick in her. At least we acknowledge female nature.
In the end, we'll still be banging 20 year olds at 40 because:
>muh disposable income
>muh society is shit anyway so fuck the shame
>muh appealing lifestyle
Have fun on the plantation.
I can see the appeal of a tradcon family and I understand being contrarian to an extent, but in the end it's simple evopsych.
I am not even atheist, and you tradcucks are fucking hilarious to me with your notion of "good christian wifes". Catholic girls, man. Poophole loophole. The more repressed the sluttier in college.
Who is worse, the willing cuck or the deluded cuck?
>Have fun trying to reprogram a woman that had 1 Mile of dick in her.
>What you tradcucks fail to realize is that the woman you aspire to find is such a rarity these days that you'll be celibate looking to find the right woman for years. We MGTOWs call this a "unicorn"