>>59967625 >>59967657 >>59967996 >>59967814 If you were to draw the political spectrum, you would have a horseshoe diagram. extreme-right and extreme-left at one point converge and become indistinguishable from each other.
>>59967657 They weren't socialists. They were fascists. The "socialism" in National Socialism was used to make the movement more appealing. Fascism is characterized by a dozen of things, for instance, centralized control, a dictatorship, military police, heavy sencorship of the media, etc. They were Communism's arch-enemy. What do Communism and Socialism have in common? Jews! The first Socialist movement in Germany was started by Ferdinand Lasalle. He was jewish.
>>59967625 The terms right and left in reference to politics originate in pre-revolutionary France. When the King called the Estates General together to try and resolve the issues which lead to the revolution those who wanted to maintain the prevailing social order sat to his right, while those who wanted to tear it down and replace it with a novel social system sat to his left.
The Nazis wanted to overturn German society as it stood and replace it with a new social order of their own design. That puts them on the left.
>>59967625 Fuck the left-right paradigm. National Socialism isn't left or right, it is RIGHT, as in, the right thing, as in, the proper thing, as in, the only form of government that actually works to secure a future for it's people.
Libertarianism falls first in the spectrum even before full right-wing. Same with anarchism. They are more centrist. The extremes like communism and fascism go down the curve (or up if you want to draw it like that) and eventually merge.
>>59968625 I never said they were. The Nazis called themselves socialists, and I see no reason to dispute them. Regardless of whether you put that particular label on them, they were leftists. The Left comes in many varieties; socialists, communists, anarchists, syndicalists, libertarians, etc. The common variable is a desire to replace the existing social order with a new one.
This stands in contrast with the Right which wants to preserve the prevailing order and institutions of society. The left-right divide isn't about particular policies, it's about progressiveness vs. conservatism. It's about changing society vs preserving it.
"Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors [...] But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms."
Hitler, when asked whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class, and indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps", stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism"
The englightenment had two strains of philosophy: empiricism and reason.
Empiricism led to liberal democracy Reason led to socialism and continental dogmas.
You can try and tell me the nazis were all Nietzsche followers (they weren't) but they had more in common with the communists. The fringes of the nazis were into nietzsches ideas (elites of the ss) but the vast majority of the party was pretty socialist.
>>59968869 So does the left. Hating ideas or books that outrage the common over arching ideology is normal for anyone who believes in an ideology. Libertarians don't do it cause they don't have an ideology.
If you compare Hitler's economic policies to FDR's, you see more similarities than differences. That's partially a result of the utter failure of classical capitalism, I.e. the Great Depression.
You can distinguish between the traditionally conservative regimes like Franco's and Mussolini's and the more radical like Hitler's as well.
However, its fair to say that Hitler was firmly conservative. He did not believe in the fundamental equality of human beings. He rejected much of the Enlightenment political values. He allied himself with the military and industrial leaders. He believed in war as a beneficial thing in many ways. He did have a bad relationship with Christian organizations, but there was not a whole lot of outright confrontation.
>>59970382 >Libertarians don't do it cause they don't have an ideology.
Lol. Libertarianism is an ideology. In fact Libertarians tend to be the most dogmatic of ideologues, because they are borderline autistic hyper-rationalists. It's just that their ideology calls for extreme tolerance of divergent individual behavior.
>>59967625 I'm a centrist. I would say the nazis on a 4 pointed chart of left vs right, authoritarian vs libertarian, would have been right in the center of left vs right but 3/4 or more upwards towards authoritarian from center. So, centrist facing extreme authoritarian?
>>59967625 They were extreme ends of both. Hitler was progressive in animal rights, women's rights, establishing schools for children and general socialist policies, while also being anti-immigration, pro-nationalist, crazy about authoritative control of the population and overall, liberals and conservatives are both saying "Nazis are bad, mmm-kay?" because they don't want to admit that nazis appealed to both sides.
>>59971786 The Great Depression was a massive failure of the free market. In the 30s, no one was really defending unrestrained capitalism any more. The world was divided between fascists, communists, and Keynesians. Do you not acknowledge that capitalism can lead to massive booms as well as busts, or are you one of those autistic free market lolbertarianz who thinks there would never be a recession in an unregulated market?
>>59967625 basicly they were nationalists that tried to pretend they were the positives of both "left" and "right" In reality they had an ignorant racial policy, a big boner for people devoting their entire existence to a racial state, and more or less took the worst of both.
Of course the entire idea of "pure blood" with the slope of your skull, color of hair, and the melanin content of your skin is such bull.
their version of history reads more like a poorly written D&D setting mixed with fredric nitche's ubermench ideal and racist imperial fantasies.
people call each other nazis mostly because they represented the worst in man and a rejection of enlightenment ideals in western civilization.
>>59967625 In actual matter, National Socialism itself has very less to do with politics, it covers all aspects of life, as worldview does so National Socialism itself shouldnt be put in either positions of this political cog. This does not quite answer the question, because Movements who have accepted national socialist wordview, have their political goals anyways. It sets its goals and political programs based on absolute truth, unlike religions and many other ideologies national socialism is not based for wishful thinking, or something written behind desk. We are not conservative, we are not right wingers. We are seeking ways to destroy the current corrupted world order and completely rebuild it. Any revolutionary is a left winger(atleast in historical view). as the right wingers are the ones who "stand up for traditional patriotic values: they are good Christians and good citizens who defend the Constitution and are loyal to their country and their monarch" You can read more about national socialism in matter of its links to left wing on Povl H. Riis-knudsen - National Socialism: The left-wing movement Or about national socialism itself from same writer on book National Socialism: The biological worldview Also the creation and roots of national socialism are beautifully explained in Savitri Devis book, The lighting and the sun. I have some problems on english language, and this is my first time on 4chan. Hope you dont mind if I wrote something incorrectly
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