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The left says that the Nazis were right-wing. The right says that the Nazis were left-wing. So which is it really /pol/?
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National SOCIALISM.

That's the key word, you can come to your own conclusion now.
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The Nazis were Eagle Wings.
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>>59967625
They were socialist so left-wing
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>>59967625
Fiscally liberal and socially conservative.

Both.
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>le left wing right wing meme

God you people are fucking retarded
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>>59967657
>>59967625
>>59967730
>>59967814
>>59967859
Neither.

National Socialism is the most natural ideology, neither right nor left.
It's natural to any race with culture and values.

Not that Anglos would understand this.
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>>59967625
Basically the polar opposite of libertarians. Make of that what you will.
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>>59967625
they transcended pleb-tier understanding of political thoughts.

>>59967657
>>59967814
these 2 retards may as well be libfaggots
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>>59967625
>>59967657
>>59967996
>>59967814
If you were to draw the political spectrum, you would have a horseshoe diagram. extreme-right and extreme-left at one point converge and become indistinguishable from each other.

>inb4 gypo thinks he's smart

I studied this shit and i know it pretty well.
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>>59967625
They're a product of the englightenment like liberalism and socialism.

If they were right wing and traditionalist they would have restored the kaiser.
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>>59967657
They weren't socialists. They were fascists. The "socialism" in National Socialism was used to make the movement more appealing. Fascism is characterized by a dozen of things, for instance, centralized control, a dictatorship, military police, heavy sencorship of the media, etc. They were Communism's arch-enemy. What do Communism and Socialism have in common? Jews! The first Socialist movement in Germany was started by Ferdinand Lasalle. He was jewish.
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Chapter 2 of mein kampf is all about how evil lefty social democrats are.

Fascism is far right ideology by definition.
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>>59967625
It's called the Third Position for a reason, anons.
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>>59968038
what should I do to get rid of my evil Anglo blood?
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>>59968202
no fuckhead.
Right (no government) ------> Left (complete government control)
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>>59968038
I never said it was a bad ideology, just that neither view of National Socialism is technically wrong.

Fascist governments in the thirties DID spend large amounts of public money on infrastructure and the like as well as focused, hence the socialism, hence being in the left.

They also exalted the nation over the individual, giving strict definition to what is socially acceptable (something we seriously lack today), hence the lack of liberalism, hence being on the right.
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>>59967625
>National socialists
>Socialists
Also, they censored literature, speech and art. The modern left loves to censor literature, speech, and art.
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Nazis did not associate with left or right, they believed they possessed the best qualities of both spectrums.
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>>59967625
The terms right and left in reference to politics originate in pre-revolutionary France. When the King called the Estates General together to try and resolve the issues which lead to the revolution those who wanted to maintain the prevailing social order sat to his right, while those who wanted to tear it down and replace it with a novel social system sat to his left.

The Nazis wanted to overturn German society as it stood and replace it with a new social order of their own design. That puts them on the left.
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>>59967625
hate is right-wing
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>>59968516
Nice trivia. But they weren't socialists.
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>>59968205
Socialism is a product of the counter-enlightenment.
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>>59967625
It is/was the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party.

I say left definitely given their economic policies.

All the people I know that call them right are very angry college liberal elitists, the kind of people that are okay with murder because they make it legal.

At the end of the day it was the Third German Empire, lead by a man with absolute power like so many others in history.
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>>59967625
Fuck the left-right paradigm. National Socialism isn't left or right, it is RIGHT, as in, the right thing, as in, the proper thing, as in, the only form of government that actually works to secure a future for it's people.
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>>59968038
>natural to any race with culture and values
Good one turkey
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>>59968392
>being this dumb

Go read some books first.

Libertarianism falls first in the spectrum even before full right-wing. Same with anarchism. They are more centrist. The extremes like communism and fascism go down the curve (or up if you want to draw it like that) and eventually merge.

But the Nazis were like this >>59968500 mostly.
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The idea isn't either left or right but how it was handled was basically like a leftist.
Not allowing free speech is a leftist ideal, even if the reasoning is the opposite, the end result is the same.
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>>59968038
>>59968038
>National Socialism is the most natural ideology

Wasn't natural enough to survive glorious Anglo firebombing

DIRTY KRAUT FILTH, ERADICATE KRAUTS! FUCKING SUBHUMANS
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>>59968460
the right loves to burn books, censor science and art
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>>59967625

It's a bit of both. Leftish economically, rightish socially. The whole movement was intended to redress the grievances of the working class but to keep the nation-state united at the same time.
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>>59968789
You eternal Anglos and eternal teutons are stupid goys who are just right for the Jewish overlords.

You faggots can't stop arguing with your brothers while Shlomo is emptying your bank accounts and telling our girls to fuck Jamal and letting achmed in the front door.

Grow up and get your priorities straight.
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They were both , but more right than left imho
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>>59968625
I never said they were. The Nazis called themselves socialists, and I see no reason to dispute them. Regardless of whether you put that particular label on them, they were leftists. The Left comes in many varieties; socialists, communists, anarchists, syndicalists, libertarians, etc. The common variable is a desire to replace the existing social order with a new one.

This stands in contrast with the Right which wants to preserve the prevailing order and institutions of society. The left-right divide isn't about particular policies, it's about progressiveness vs. conservatism. It's about changing society vs preserving it.
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From Mein Kampf :

"Today our left-wing politicians in particular are constantly insisting that their craven-hearted and obsequious foreign policy necessarily results from the disarmament of Germany, whereas the truth is that this is the policy of traitors [...] But the politicians of the Right deserve exactly the same reproach. It was through their miserable cowardice that those ruffians of Jews who came into power in 1918 were able to rob the nation of its arms."

Hitler, when asked whether he supported the "bourgeois right-wing", claimed that Nazism was not exclusively for any class, and indicated that it favoured neither the left nor the right, but preserved "pure" elements from both "camps", stating: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism"
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>>59967625
Both. Nazis were socialists, and despised capitalism (left wing), but also uber nationalist and militaristic, believing that the nation comes over anything else (right wing). Weird mix.
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>>59967625
Breaking down politics into two all encompassing wings is retarded to say the least. The nazis were fascist nationalistic socialists.
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>>59968227
Only socialists say this. They were absolutely socialists, and fascists.
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>>59969540
IT'S THE PERFECT MIX
WHY DID IT FAIL LADS
JUST KEK MY DESTINY UP
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>>59968696
Da fuq?

The englightenment had two strains of philosophy: empiricism and reason.

Empiricism led to liberal democracy
Reason led to socialism and continental dogmas.

You can try and tell me the nazis were all Nietzsche followers (they weren't) but they had more in common with the communists. The fringes of the nazis were into nietzsches ideas (elites of the ss) but the vast majority of the party was pretty socialist.
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>>59968869
So does the left. Hating ideas or books that outrage the common over arching ideology is normal for anyone who believes in an ideology. Libertarians don't do it cause they don't have an ideology.
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>>59967625
They were the eagle. Both right and left wings, dumbass. They had morals of rights with policies of the left, they were the perfect society.
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>>59967625

Third Position.
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>>59967625
Socialism is a leftist disease.
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>>59969834
What is your description of socialism?
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>>59967657
the word socialism is used to be more appealing
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>>59967625
Nigger it's authoritarian right wing fascism
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If you compare Hitler's economic policies to FDR's, you see more similarities than differences. That's partially a result of the utter failure of classical capitalism, I.e. the Great Depression.

You can distinguish between the traditionally conservative regimes like Franco's and Mussolini's and the more radical like Hitler's as well.

However, its fair to say that Hitler was firmly conservative. He did not believe in the fundamental equality of human beings. He rejected much of the Enlightenment political values. He allied himself with the military and industrial leaders. He believed in war as a beneficial thing in many ways. He did have a bad relationship with Christian organizations, but there was not a whole lot of outright confrontation.
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National Socialism is a more left form of fascism.

So it's third position but slightly more to the left.
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>>59970271
The socialist wing of the party was purged alongside the SA.
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>>59970382
>Libertarians don't do it cause they don't have an ideology.

Lol. Libertarianism is an ideology. In fact Libertarians tend to be the most dogmatic of ideologues, because they are borderline autistic hyper-rationalists. It's just that their ideology calls for extreme tolerance of divergent individual behavior.
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>>59967625
I'm a centrist. I would say the nazis on a 4 pointed chart of left vs right, authoritarian vs libertarian, would have been right in the center of left vs right but 3/4 or more upwards towards authoritarian from center. So, centrist facing extreme authoritarian?
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>>59971441
>the Great Depression
>failure of capitalism

Get educated, you disgusting, slimy, absolutely pitiful, abhorrently socialistic, fuck. Stop spreading your fucking leftist lies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Monetary_History_of_the_United_States
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>>59967625
They were extreme ends of both. Hitler was progressive in animal rights, women's rights, establishing schools for children and general socialist policies, while also being anti-immigration, pro-nationalist, crazy about authoritative control of the population and overall, liberals and conservatives are both saying "Nazis are bad, mmm-kay?" because they don't want to admit that nazis appealed to both sides.
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>>59967625
Best of both in fact
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>>59971786
The Great Depression was a massive failure of the free market. In the 30s, no one was really defending unrestrained capitalism any more. The world was divided between fascists, communists, and Keynesians. Do you not acknowledge that capitalism can lead to massive booms as well as busts, or are you one of those autistic free market lolbertarianz who thinks there would never be a recession in an unregulated market?
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>>59967625
basicly they were nationalists that tried to pretend they were the positives of both "left" and "right"
In reality they had an ignorant racial policy, a big boner for people devoting their entire existence to a racial state, and more or less took the worst of both.

Of course the entire idea of "pure blood" with the slope of your skull, color of hair, and the melanin content of your skin is such bull.

their version of history reads more like a poorly written D&D setting mixed with fredric nitche's ubermench ideal and racist imperial fantasies.

people call each other nazis mostly because they represented the worst in man and a rejection of enlightenment ideals in western civilization.
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>>59972245
Loaning money to the UK, Germany and France, who were all still (massively) indebted because of WWI played a large role too. It wasn't just the stock bubble.
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[citation needed]
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The iron eagle has a left and right wing
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>>59967625
In actual matter, National Socialism itself has very less to do with politics, it covers all aspects of life, as worldview does so National Socialism itself shouldnt be put in either positions of this political cog.
This does not quite answer the question, because Movements who have accepted national socialist wordview, have their political goals anyways. It sets its goals and political programs based on absolute truth, unlike religions and many other ideologies national socialism is not based for wishful thinking, or something written behind desk. We are not conservative, we are not right wingers. We are seeking ways to destroy the current corrupted world order and completely rebuild it.
Any revolutionary is a left winger(atleast in historical view). as the right wingers are the ones who "stand up for traditional patriotic values: they are good Christians and good citizens who defend the Constitution and are loyal to their country and their monarch"
You can read more about national socialism in matter of its links to left wing on
Povl H. Riis-knudsen - National Socialism: The left-wing movement
Or about national socialism itself from same writer on book National Socialism: The biological worldview
Also the creation and roots of national socialism are beautifully explained in Savitri Devis book, The lighting and the sun.
I have some problems on english language, and this is my first time on 4chan. Hope you dont mind if I wrote something incorrectly
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>>59974562
This is a very good explication.

Also, bump.
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