> letting repuliturds policies charge you a fortune for college education instead of getting it free
I think the rest of the world needs to catch up.
Why is it important that everyone get a college education? Maybe having it cost a shitload is a good thing because it means only people who genuinely go and can afford to/choose to make that sacrifice will go. Everyone else, who has no need of college(the majority of young people) can work and start a family instead of kicking it in some shithole for 8 years earning a degree in faggotry and how to party down.
Maybe we should have a pure capitalist system applied to universities rather than this incestuous, corrupt relationship where colleges are a business pretending to be an educational service every fucking kid needs and then kids go there on government loans they can't even bankrupt away.
The only reason why leftists want to send everyone to college is not because they wanted an educated people, it's because college is now a Marxist indoctrination center that transform every single person who enters it into an communist.
I, for one, would gladly destroy every single higher learning institution in the world and bring back guilds to teach vocational shit.
Send everyone to college. Have leftist professors tell them a bunch of bullshit about race and gender being social constructs. Force them into taking bullshit electives not needed for a career.
Convince everyone they need school and have the government pay for it so they can make more money.
Free? Why did I have to pay a yearly fee of 92euros then?
There's a glimpse into tax-payer subsidized colleges and why we don't do it to the extent these small rich Euro cunts can. Also >>59960053
Recently, research has counterintuitively indicated a need to scale back the financial aid we offer prospective students since such policies have thus far made higher education LESS affordable. 
In response, there has been one main criticism to that research: "How in the world could increased college assistance have come BEFORE increased tuition costs?" "Go ahead," exclaim the skeptics, "look at the historic record. Tuition increases came first! They were not CAUSED by expansions in financial aid!"
We decided to fact check this critique by doing precisely what was asked; looking at the historic record.
[The following dollar figures have all been adjusted for inflation.] From 1971 to 1981, annual tuition and fees for higher education only rose $2 for a public two year facility.  You read that correctly. ONLY two dollars. For a public, four year state school, in state tuition and fees had actually DECREASED $190. For the same period of time, a private four year institution, ALSO decreased by $304.  This is very important to note. It means that the cost of higher education was NOT rising at an alarming rate at this point in history. Rather, it had actually decreased or, at most, broken even. (depending on the circumstance) Since that time, however, tuition unfortunately inclined sharply.
>part 2 incoming
So then, what is the record on financial aid for higher education? Unlike the claims from the critics, expansions in financial aid programs DID come BEFORE the start of the tuition crisis. Federal financial aid had its start in 1958, with the National Defense Student Loan Program for low-income students, the precursor to the Perkins Loan Program, and soon after with the Health Professions Educational Assistance Act of 1963 [a]. Note, however, these were relatively small programs and therefore didn't necessarily distort the market in any impactful way. They truly were helping low income individuals, and thus were not wide-scale programs.
It wasn't until later, in 1965, 1972, and 1978, when the financial aid that we recognize today began to take hold. In 1965, for instance, the precursors to the Pell Grant and Stafford Loans were created as part of the "Higher Education Act.  At that time, a key change occurred in the way federal tuition loan programs were financed. "Instead of using government money directly, the loans would be made by bankers. But if students defaulted, the government guaranteed that IT would cover the tab."  Think about this perverse incentive for a moment. It meant that capital could be offered in the form of student loans under the presumption that profit from said loans could be kept privately, but if and when losses arose, banks and investors wouldn't have to lose their money since TAXPAYERS would foot the bill. Effectively, this was socializing losses while privatizing gains. It would take years for this perverse incentive to grow into a large scale problem, but it eventually did.
>part 3 coming soon
>paying for the upkeep of failed infrastructure
>no problems with this
>paying for people to go to school
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BETTER DEAD THAN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED
Can't even explain why it's okay to pay for some things, not others.
In '72, the precursor to the Pell Grant was created, but more importantly, Sallie Mae was created by Nixon and the Congress. Sallie Mae was a firm that received help from the treasury to buy student loans off of banks, freeing the banks to then offer even MORE federally insured loans.  From that point forward, banks had nothing to lose by offering loans since they - quite literally - could ONLY profit from the exchange. That meant a bank's sound underwriting reasoning, which typically would lead them to decline risky or unreasonable loan requests, was no longer present. If that weren't bad enough, the most important change came in 1978 with the Middle Income Student Assistance Act, which expanded federal student assistance programs to include middle-income students in addition to low-income students.  This is where everything changed. From this point forward, most of these financial aid programs were no longer limited to a minority of low income applicants, but instead became the norm for nearly the entire populace. Under this arrangement, loans would eventually be made to nearly everyone regardless of the requested price of tuition, and tuition would therefore be free to rise unchecked since no financial institution was saying "no." It should be no surprise, then, that this was the last decade our nation enjoyed relatively affordable tuition. Since that 1978 expansion, the cost of higher education increased more than 13 fold; about 1,225 percent.  To put that into perspective, in the same time period, ordinary inflation (CPI) had only increased 279 percent. 
NO, massive and alarming increases in tuition did not occur PRIOR to expansions in financial aid. The expansions in financial aid occurred PRIOR to the tuition crisis. We have a legitimate problem on our hands, and it's important that it be properly diagnosed if we are ever to fix it.
Punishment for eating dogs all over the world
China: go free
Malaysia: go free
Thailand: go free
Myanmar: go free
The US : You can still be arrested in 6 states just for selling dog meat
Isn't it about time you guys caught up with the rest of the world?
They are now considering to pay us to go to university. They're already paying us to go to high school.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-08-18/college-tuition-costs-soar-chart-of-the-day (also the source of the graph)
The best part is when the real world punches them in the gut once they graduate, and they realize that all of the fairydust marxist drivel they'd been spoonfed for so long doesn't actually work.
Places people want to send their kids for college: America, UK for certain things.
When was the last time you heard of chinks paying people to fake their applications to go to the university of Berlin?
I am a woman and I know thats bullshit. I see how I can't help my emotions get the better of me at times, and I see how men DON'T. Thankfully I am right wing now, so I don't emotionally manipulate people with liberal doublethink. Instead I just Anne Coulter the place up.
There is NO such thing as equality. The very notion is insane. The idea is God CREATED all men equal, but their actions, ideas and lives can change their "equality" over time. This is why felons cannot own guns, they are not equal and no one pretends they are.
I agree with the one anon to bring back guilds.
>Not realizing how high taxes in European nations are
>Not realizing that not a lot of Europeans go to university, and the one's that do don't major in basket weaving with a minor in lesbian american womyn's studies
>Blaming Republicans for college prices
Yea, because it's not like 90% of our education system is staffed by Liberals or anything.
Pic somewhat related. It's the 'border wall' that we currently have in place and it's why Mexican/Central American immigration is so high.
99.99% of americans doen't have the brain or the wallet to study at Ivy Leauge uni. That's why you are here while they are there, running government and wall street and force you to pay for their bailouts.
First, "free" is probably not that I'd call it. Second, the quality of our free colleges is fucking terrible. I can post some English testes and other stuff if you want from my 12th class.
"Buttom", "Do you agree to him?", wrong punctuation, my English teacher not understanding what I'm talking because she is retarded and trying to expose me in front of the class. German teacher is lazy and writes everything on PC in Word, every second word is underlined in red. Not even talking about our ecnomics teacher who can't for his life teach us how prime costs calculation works so fucking everyone gets a 6 (F).
It's basically impossible to make a good leaving certificate and you're forced to study afterwards.
You are a degenerate. Equality exist, you are enjoying it in america where upward mobility exist and you have the opportunities many do not even get. Also, you now have the opportunity to share your breasts, which you should take.
>all these faggots greentexting free
>implying free college would significantly raise your taxes
Cuckservashits truly are scum. If you don't want to help others then get out. You can enjoy your "freedom" in some libretardian African shithole while socialists make America strong.
Isn't 12th class principially correct, too? I mean it's the 12th of the classes you pass.
You see, that's how low quality our school system is. We're still doing past tense and simple present lessons when we're 25 y/o.
But then they'll think it's the somebody else's fault that their useless degree is useless. They do that now and they'll continue doing it in the future. It's an endless cycle of unrest caused by pursuing useless information
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA LOOK AT ALL THE TAXES WE PAY YOU FAT FUCK.AND BECAUSE THEY ARE "FREE" EVERYBODY TRIES TO ENTER AND BASICALLY ONLY RICH KIDS THAT HAVE ACESS TO TOP TIER EDUCATION CAN PASS THE TEST TO JOIN A "FREE" COLLEGE,SO BASICALLY THE POOR PAY THE COLLEGE OF THE RICH THROUGH TAXES.THE POOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO JOIN COLLEGE HAVE TO WORK A LOT TO PAY A PRIVATE COLLEGE CAUSE THEY ARE WAY EASIER TO ENTER.
That's really fucked? Is this 12th class thing at a post-secondary level? In Canada we have hundred series courses that imply difficult and 'year', like 120 for a first year sociology, 220 for second year, 320 for third, and 420 for 4th. You can't take higher course unless you gain the require prerequisites. The courses are pretty intense, it's measured by hours of lectures per term.
Conservatives are dumb, and useful idiots at best. For the rich, they need the working class republican to believe that hard work + opportunity = $$$, and that belief helps reduce their taxes.
Your image isn't true though. I know in places like France you have to be the top X% of your class in order to go to college. Most people that are advocating this wouldn't get to go to college... wait a minute. This is fucking brilliant! It keeps leftists and retards out of college!
How much do you pay for collage, fellow Aryan?
You are looking at one and one tree. You have to look at the whole forest. It's the grand total that makes the US the nr.1 military power in the world. America doesn't rule the entire world but they are arguably the most influential nation in the world, science, culture, economy, military, you name it. The issue here is that the average american doesn't feel like a nr.1. If the ruling elite is able to play chess better than Russias or Chinas elite, then yes, the 1% is fantastic at guiding the 99% to make the US most influential in the world, but that doesn't mean that the average american is happy just because they're able to hang a note on their chest saying ''We are the best. Go us''.
The whole purpose is to progress, be happy and have a fulfilling, meaningful life. Regardless of left,right,centre politics++
You can say whatever you want about Norway, but we realised this back in the 70s. We now take the best from both spectrums and out united goal is to increase the quality of life and sustain it.
progressives whining that the rest of us aren't paying more $$$ to turn academia into a safe space for hard core left wingers and SJW's
Stay out of my fucking wallet you useless left wing leeches
>get taxed out the ass so college is free
>don't go to college
You'd have to be stupid as fuck.
I know but i also consider places like Stanford, MIT, Chicago++ to be Ivy leauge tier.
We have very few immigrants relative to the whole population % wise. We reformed our immigration laws 2 weeks ago. No more leeching, way way less immigration. We were just playing ball with Sweden for a good year before saying nah. Also, i don't think you realise how much wealth Norway have if you think that a couple of 100-200k leeching immigrants would be able to suck us dry. That god that we don't though, and that it wont happen in the future.
Trade school is not "higher education." The kind of skills you learn in trade school are things literal children can master. In the old days kids as young as 12 or 13 would begin learning a trade much the same way a student in a trade school would, until they had enough skill to become a formal apprentice in their adult years. Yet you call it "higher education."
What a joke.
They Ivy League is not some vague category of super elite schools, it is an actual, tangible thing, a conference of 8 specific schools. That conference and those schools have gained worldwide recognition for being the most exclusive and elite schools in the world, so the term "Ivy League" has become synonymous with "elite school" but it still is a term which refers to the financial bloc created by those private schools.
>YOU SHOULD PAY FOR SOME 18 YEAR OLD FAGGOTS TO STUDY ART AND HAVE NERF GUN BATTLES AND TRY WEED FOR THE FIRST TIME!
lol no. If you cant get into college you dont deserve to be there
Semantics. Trade school is just as unaffordable as college, you shouldn't have to pay tens of thousands of dollars just for the qualifications to be considered for an entry-level job.
>Why is it important that everyone get a college education?
Because we have universal suffrage.
A democracy without a well informed and educated population leads to de facto plutocracies where powerful lobbyists can play on peoples ignorance.
It depends on what university you are talking about. The good public ones are hard to enter. Basically you got take classes in a preparatory school or you study your ass off 'till you are approved, because public schools are the shittiest possible and private schools aren't good either.
670.000. Majority of them is from Sweden, Poland and Lithuania. Sami people, forest finns and Kvens are not considered ethnic Norwegians either (because muh nationalism from their side or something).
I always chuckle when people post immigratns waving the Norwegian flag on our independence day parade (17. Mai). It's definitly not representative and it is actually really great that they celebrate Norway and our nationalism instead of looting people like in Sweden. Swedes are not even allowed to celebrate their ''Independence Day'' properly with flags and stuff.
I know, i know, but i thought you would get my point since people in general use the ivy league term about elite schools.
In finland they will pay you to go to college, and you can take 20k loan which they will deduct 30% off (free money 6k) if you graduate in time
>Free college=degree inflation
>In Norway you basically needs a degree for everything.
this logic doesn't hold. degrees are a specialized education. It isn't scarcity that drives its value, it's your ability to make use of that information. It's like saying if everyone has a driving license, it makes the value of driving less when in reality that's really a stupid way of thinking about it. drivers drive to do something, degrees are knowledge you HOPE to use to make value.
In usa over 50% of people attend university. in scandinavia less than 40% attend. they have much worse inflation in states with degrees than in scandinavia where degrees are "free".
the problem with us is the drop out rates are very high, so people end up without a degree but still in debt. basically, it's just very tough for 18yo kids to decide if they should take the huge debts and go to uni or not. that's where our system shines.
also i would like to remind everybody it was democrats (Hillary) who made the student debt non-deductable (person can go bankrupt with their uni loans in usa anymore).
she did all of that because goldman and other banks requested (paid her big time)
Because employer doesn't know what they should go by anymore. Degree, grades, intership, charity work...... It's like we need more uneducated people..... You can make 65k by doing McDonalds/walmart tier stuff. Even failures in society have a place to go...
Just that 12% of the total immigrant population is from Africa. Majority of them actually works or study with the exception of Somalia for some reason.
How am I a degenerate?
I enjoy "equality" because I don't break the law, but really when you think about it I have more "equality" because as a woman I can get a job easier, you could get me pregnant and I could make you pay for it against your will if I wanted, I could fuck a 13 year old boy and probably not go to jail if I just cry and say sorry in front of a judge, I can become a cop or join the military with no effort because I don't have to pass the tests men do, among other terrible unfair things. We as women have a massive advantage in this country. That isn't equality at all.
There is no such thing as equality if you actually look at the world we live in. Equality is like perfection. You cannot achieve either because humans are imperfect animals.
If you say so
Why are you fucking retards whining about the word "free"?
It makes complete sense to say you can use the streets in your town for free. You can call emergency services in the case of any emergency for free.
The reason that word is used is because it's free to the recipient, and more importantly, BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PERSON UNDERSTANDS THAT THESE THINGS ARE PAID FOR WITH TAX DOLLARS. STOP PRETENDING THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS. YOU ARE JUST IGNORING THE TOPIC AT HAND YOU WORTHLESS PIECES OF GARBAGE.
Yes, but university is pretty much the only thing it's good to have everybody to pay for. Because 50% of those kids drop out with debt and their lives are fucked.
Basically, free college is a boost for smart kids. Med school etc. engineering schools are all risk free for smart kids who like to work hard. In states they carry very big risks as they tend to be very very expensive.
>I know but i also consider places like Stanford, MIT, Chicago++ to be Ivy leauge tier.
Ignorance, Ivy League just means the division they belong to in sports. In america, going to an ivy league school matters less (especially in grad school) than going to go a school with world class faculty. American schools can literally steal the best profs from the world because everyone else sucks.
I don't know about the rest but Germany sure as fuck doesn't have free universities. What drivel is this?
>thinking there's ANYTHING wrong with education paid for by taxes
courses have a minimum GPA to solve overcrowding, to encourage people to do better, problem solved.
when you're old you want a working generation that's successful and has buying power to pay taxes to fund your retirement you piece of lard.
Everyone uses roads, not everyone goes to college. And "free" college isn't free for the student, as you can clearly see in examples given in this thread. You still gotta pay for books, living expenses, hidden fees and if you work and pay taxes YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT TOO.
Again, college isn't for everyone, it shouldn't be a "right." Emergency services and roads are things everyone needs in this country to survive. We could all live a lot better if there were no more indoctrination schools in this country, I tell you what.
Do you support ISIS?>>59966013
Do you know how expensive American schools are? The reason America dominates in the post graduate fields is because we drop's fat stacks on our colleges. Think of the quality of your average college compared to public high schools and imagine that quality going down the drain within 5 years of them being "free"
If you can't afford college then don't go to college. If you can't afford the fancy private school charging $20,000 per year then go to the D3 school that charges $5,000 but happens to teach the same courses.
This is how it is in france. THey have these super schools that are nearly impossible to get into and the rest of the people go to shit tier (university of pheonix) tier schools
/pol/ is conservative neets, and alt-right degenerates.
>mfw those overinflated college costs are nothing but the result of Kike Universities abusing government subsidized loans
It's impossible to pass the technical interview unless you go to a 4-year CS program. I had a friend who had an interview, they were asking him obscure as fuck shit.
Tax dollars are used for a bazillion things that not everyone benefits from. Why is this so different?
Or are you one of those special ed kids who thinks tax dollars should only be used for absolute must services such as roads
you're an idiot, hes completely right.
the government subsidizes the loans, so colleges give out crazy loans for stupid shit to literally anyone (50k loan for a womans study degree? sure why not)
I don't see people traveling to Finland to enroll in their colleges. Most US universities have HUGE numbers of foreign students
cause the same dynamics that drive education and training in our modern economies are still fundamentals in 2016.
this is so naive and indicates you have no higher education. It is impossible to ask someone to go to a public library (public libraries do not have the budget to buy an academic collection, or subscribe to journals) and start a 4-year CS degree. Even MOOCs do not substitute a 4-year CS degree. Even university of Phoenix can compare. The pedagogical reason why a 4-year degree matters is how the material is delivered and how you are in an environment with researchers. If you think uni is a continuation of a high school style of education, you are going to a shit-tier for-profit school.
The high rate of students going to Uni is because High School here has become nothing more than 4 years of "HURRR DURRR YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE COLLEGE COLLEGE", nothing of value is taught anymore. Its so ingrained in the minds of students in schools that everyone (literally fucking everyone) goes to college immediately following High School and ends up dropping out or taking 6 years to get a Bachelors.
She tells non-norwegian tumblr my period feminist to gtfo. She wants the same opportunities not affirmative action and free things falling in her lap. Majority of Norwegian feminists are actually just women with common sense. They don't believe in the whole 50/50 meme.
Lets take an example. Harvard is not just a place to get knowledge, it is also a world renown brand, a connection hub++ It matters where you go to school. Ivy tier schools>''schools''. Doesn't mean that you can't get knowledge elsewhere or make it in life. That's all.
Its colleges and universities raising tuition because the Government gives student loans to fucking everyone. It used to be affordable to the point where working a summer job at McDonalds would pay your tuition.
It's the same shit that lead to the housing bubble. I honestly can't wait for the education bubble to pop and the kike university heads to all be gassed.
>He most likely thinks there is a such thing as free health care as well
>The high rate of students going to Uni is because High School here has become nothing more than 4 years of "HURRR DURRR YOU HAVE TO GO TO COLLEGE COLLEGE COLLEGE", nothing of value is taught anymore. Its so ingrained in the minds of students in schools that everyone (literally fucking everyone) goes to college immediately following High School and ends up dropping out or taking 6 years to get a Bachelors.
High school has always been a hurr durr, bare minimum level of education. Before AP, american universities had prep schools but AP brought prep to highschool, making highschool even more useful. You people seem oblivious to the fact how difficult some of these fields of knowledge are, and how un-intuitive it is. Highschool should always be the terminating point for the working class, or those striving to achieve working class. But to do more, especially in an knowledge economy, university is necessary. And i KNOW /pol/ hates woman studies (so do I) but what /pol/ seems to forget, those faggots seem to be really successful in creating a change in our culture.
women studies, gender studies, they are contemporary sophists, they are trained in how to abuse culture.
Why is that hilarious? You're basically just assuming that the private sector is better at providing these services. That's an idiotic simplification.
Not to mention that this is not even touching on the ethical dimension of the issue. What's hilarious here is that you're actually smug about being a piece of shit.
Not everyone needs a degree in their career field. Many people in tech can get certificates at fraction of the cost and time of a degree.
But those who just want to learn for their own understanding can use public libraries or the internet. Google scholar has journal articles and more than likely within the future we will see those resource become more and more public available.
>But those who just want to learn for their own understanding can use public libraries or the internet. Google scholar has journal articles and more than likely within the future we will see those resource become more and more public available.
You never actually studied anything, have you? Tell me the truth. I'm doubting you know anything about this because if you look for articles through google scholar, you won't find many that aren't behind a pay wall, where they charge you 40+ USD dollars per article and those articles do not give you background knowledge. That's where lecture, tutorial, access to professors and TAs, and peers come into place. You cannot do anything but monkey-shit with a certificate. Go on /g/, the consensus is, a code-monkey is a burger flipper, a CS grad is a chef. It's a HUGE difference.
The private sector has strong incentives to innovate and provide a cheaper, higher quality service thanks to competition. The public sector is associated with a bureaucracy to maintain it, has no competitive incentive and less goods diversity.
Read a book, commie
I think australia has it right
We pay about 12k a year for single degrees (lasting 3 years)
And about 9k for double degrees (lasting 5 year)
we also have HECS , which is basically a loan you are allowed to take out on your education, however, you aren't charged interest (which is stupid, it should match inflation), then they take X amount of dollars out from ur pay check
That's free compare to what's in Canada or US. It's disgustingly free.
>Is a college degree even worth anything if it's available to free to everyone?
This person never passed a single AP course.
Dude, it's practically free (<1000€ per year) in several EU countries. Still, far from everyone attends universities.
I doubt my 2 degrees in Physics are worth less, just because I got my first one for a total price of less than €2,000 and got paid to do my second one.
I don't see the job market swarming with physicists, in fact, if I send my CV to the usual agencies, I tend to get responses very soon..
Never had debt in my entire life.
It's called free because you never pay actual tuition (which would likely be in thousands), only a small administrative file handling fee.
And that's a recent thing, 15 years ago, college was entirely free
Dude, do you even look at job board? Where im at that all they want are people who have certs. They don't want degrees. Also, you can go to most college libraries and look up their journal articles for free, without being a student. Also, it just sounds like where most people are the market is over saturated with these degrees.
And still they hire Europeans in a heartbeat
What you're talking about are ideals. What you're completely ignoring are massive issues of human greed, political corruption. And the ethical dilemmas.
Also, US spends more on public healthcare PER CAPITA than the UK. Yet here in the UK I can have the ambulance take me to the hospital, have them take care of me, give me medication, go get some more medication from the doctor later on. And all of this costs me £0. And less in taxes.
That's a lie, a huge lie. Most tech jobs require a 4 year degree, and its implicit in the tech interview. They will test you on what is covered in a 4 year degree.
Second, most college libraries require a login with a valid student ID. They require this because student pay fees to these journals to subscribe to them.
Yeah, lets have centralized greed instead of hundreds of greedy evil people interacting and trading voluntarily. What a fucking great idea!
I kindly invite you to my shithole country where the shitty ideas you spew are followed to the T. You'll get a taste of what happens when you run out of other people's money.
Yes most do, not all. Not everyone will become the next manager or a project leader. Certs are what everyone has been saying is the way to go, depending are someones career path.
Have you gone into a university library and gone to where the journal articles are kept? They do still print them you know. Plus, most university libraries allow you to search for articles for free at certain computers. Also most libraries allow residents around them to check out stuff too.
>Have you gone into a university library and gone to where the journal articles are kept? They do still print them you know. Plus, most university libraries allow you to search for articles for free at certain computers. Also most libraries allow residents around them to check out stuff too.
Try searching and searching and reading articles all day at a library. There is a reason why I have a collection of PDFs for my thesis on my computer and not photocopies. Journal articles also require a prerequisite level of knowledge, knowledge you master after your sophomore year. Also, you are just admitted that you can't bring value to a project.
Certs are never the way to go because it drives flash in the pan technologies, and it doesn't enable project managers to target greenfield tech. This is where having a CS degree shines. But, i guess, you are contempt with being a code monkey.
Exactly how did Brazil become so corrupt? Our government is centralized but our politicians have integrity.
It's their culture and how they play with the poor for votes. It has little to do with centralization but inequality. It's like whenever they need to get some more votes, they pander to a specific group
This. Jesus Christ, I used to admire American people before /pol/. Seems like they are getting more dumb and not worthy for the kind of freedom their ancestors worked for. Millennial Americans seriously deserve a country like Brazil, but worse.
Our entire education system is cancer. What we need is reform. Then we can talk about free college.
No one their tax dollars going to college education where students end up being useless SJWs who scream racism and oppression to get what they want.
>Or are you one of those special ed kids who thinks tax dollars should only be used for absolute must services such as roads
I think tax dollars should have a priority. We should be spending most of it on absolute must services, the rest can be distributed by priority of more important to least important. College subsidies are not important, and in fact, they make too much money as it is and teach nothing. We score 28 in the world, yet our students pay more than anywhere else. Our system is completely fucked and just forcing the people in the country pay these BUSINESSES so that yuppie cunts can go party and learn about diversity and white privilege.
My ex went to Skidmore University, and he went in normal, came out some fucking crazy communist feminist. He is also in mountains of debt on an English Major degree, and I think he is going to become a high school teacher.
If you really think colleges that do this to people deserve tax dollars, then I think you need to come to America and see how bad it is for yourself. Our roads are literally falling apart, 61% of the bridges in this country are at risk of collapsing, and our electrical system hasn't really been updated since 1910.
Am I really such a retard?
As much as you hate Socialism, the United States has many Socialist qualities.
Military, roads, police, firefighters, libraries, postal service, grants, bridges, garbage collection, landfills, farm subsidies, fbi, cia, dea, vaccines, social security, medicare, museums, schools, business subsidies, national parks, public parks, sewer systems, fda, water treatment facilities, beaches, litter collection, state construction, unemployment insurance, city buses and subways, snow removal, street lights, fema, public defenders, scholarships
Not everyone needs a fucking degree! Do some research on economics about over saturation of markets next time. People can still get the information they need even if it mean that they have to spend all day a the library then. Everything has a cost to it, either in time or money.
And yes, some people will be code monkeys for the rest of their lifes and will be content with that. If they have any goals, then yes they would get a degree OR get more certs.
Lies. Sure we have public Unis on state and federal levels, but most of the time they're underfunded as fuck, the teachers get real comfy because they're almost unfirable causing their classes to suck ass and they go on strike every odd month, making private institutions a lot more desirable and reliable.
holy shit go fuck yourself
not only are public colleges in Brazil expensive as shit and paid with taxes, they also only allow a pathetically small number of students each year, while the rest have to either pay for a private one (while still paying an absurd amount of taxes) or simply quit getting a degree.
At least Americans KNOW how much they are paying for it.
*Our system is completely fucked and just forcing the people in the country pay these BUSINESSES so that yuppie cunts can go party and learn about diversity and white privilege seems insanely counter intuitive*
forgot the last part of that sentence
>And yes, some people will be code monkeys for the rest of their lifes and will be content with that. If they have any goals, then yes they would get a degree OR get more certs.
degrees give you the ability to think, certs demonstrate that you know one tech. The pursuit of certs has ruined tech because it cause a glut of skills without demand, because people pursue lucrative certs and get stuck ONLY knowing that shit. They do not have the capacity to learn, think critically or engage in the meat of the matter. That's where degrees come into play. If you have a degree, the value of it is what you make from it that knowledge. a cert is just a degree of qualification of a tech that in the future will be useless.
Its thanks to the diversity meme.
Its easier to trust people who looks and talks like you, you also feel worse for screwing them over and you feel better when you give them a hand.
Its why the diversity meme is such a failure.
Framing all those things that you said as "socialism" is very, very misleading, would only make sense in the heads of materialistic ideologists (libertarians for example). Socialism is way beyond a form of government administration, its above everything: a culture.
Nah, the political history of brazil shows that these politicians give favors to certain poor groups over another, playing off each poor group to stay in power. the favelas would organize block voting, and those supported get services that should go for everyone. It's basically buying votes with the state resources.
uchicago reporting for duty
A few things to note:
1.) The elite universities in the US (and other countries, for that matter), tend to pick the best students they can get. So the admission process is based on selection, a rather tight one. European ("free") universities accept anyone who has the formal qualifications, e.g. a high school diploma. Heck, at my old uni, any bum who finished high school could get a spot.
Which leads to ..
2.) The role of these universities. The European (free) universities are meant to provide education to the public. Not just the best students, not just the most talented individuals, no. The public - all of them. It's reflected in the size. Harvard has something like 7k undergrads, whereas the University of Vienna has close to 90k. The UoV is a public university with public lectures. Anyone can just walk into a lecture hall and learn about thermal quantum field theory, or about the anatomy of rats. These universities have a long-lasting tradition of providing education to anyone who seeks it. Deviating from that old dogma is not off the table, but it has a solid backing in the public.
.. and last but not least - these rankings tend to be very US and UK - focused, and most of them were designed like this: We consider places like Caltech, Stanford, Harvard, and Oxbridge the best universities, therefore our ranking measures how well other universities compare to them.
no... it wouldn't happen in a society if you guys had a functioning state that could deliver the resources, rather than having it to be directed, or that if you guys were educated enough to support a bureaucracy that is professional.
>They do not have the capacity to learn, think critically or engage in the meat of the matter.
Do you really believe everyone with a degree can "think critically" with a degree? You are a fool to believe that. College are just churning out students today with a piece of paper that says they have a degree, but really shouldnt have one. This only hurts people even more who do have a degree since now everyone has a degree. This is probably why you are going for you masters, since bachelors means nothing today.
But if someone goes for their certs instead, its cheaper in time and cost. They are also more adaptable to the job market that is becoming more and more specialized.
Economics just frowns upon the usage of the word free... because it is what it is, it's misleading.
Parents of college students have to pay ridiculous rates of taxes where college is 'free'.
College graduates have to pay ridiculous rates of taxes when they get a job after college...
And people working without college degrees still have to pay for high rates of taxes.
Does society want to simply sidetrack the issue and just solve the problem with more taxes.
Ignore the issue and let individuals and families figure out how to pay tuition.
Or figure out why tuition expenses skyrocketed like crazy in the past 30 years and find a way to lower them back down again
Or a mixture of any of the three.
>But if someone goes for their certs instead, its cheaper in time and cost. They are also more adaptable to the job market that is becoming more and more specialized.
Certs are fools gold. They ruined the tech market in the early 2000s. Certs aren't adaptable and they create a misdirection of skills that make the adoption of new technology harder.
If you honestly believe a degree in CS or Computer engineering is comparable to a cert, you clearly have no clue what those degrees mean.
I go to university.
>Rest of the world
>3 of which are cucked beyond belief and for someone with this flag to say that you know it has to be serious
>Another 3 of which are literal third world shitholes
>Another of the 8 is subsidised by fucking huge taxes and massive cost of living
>Which leaves 1 country
>Share if we should catch up with Finland
>tfw uni is dirt cheap
>tfw paid my "loan" in the first 3 months of starting work
>tfw burgercuks sell their soul for the privilege of living with 2 other people in a 120ft^2 pigsty and being brainwashed by the left
>tfw burgercuks pay their uni debt for decades, while scrubbing floors at walmart and tolerating ebt-carrying niggers all day
Who's third world now, faggets
>Can you tell me what are the shit tier schools in vienna?
In terms of universities, there aren't really shit-tier one's. The biggest is Uni of Vienna, then Vienna University of Technology, Uni of Economics, MedUni and a few smaller one's (law, life sciences) and some fake universities of applied sciences (glorified collages).
Maybe your cousin is just a lazy fuck - we have loads of those.
Large majority of projects have funding restrictions (EU), e.g. you would need to search for projects that offer funding without any citizenship / residency considerations. This is going to be the most tricky part.
Other than that - if you're good enough and impress at the interview, you're golden.
Im not saying that they are comparable. Both are to be use for different purposes. But you are saying the only way to get into tech is for people to have a degree which is just not true. Also most companies will want their employees to have different educational backgrounds because of cost. You have a lot to learn about how the actually world works.
Yeah, Bulgaria seems like a great place.
>Also most companies will want their employees to have different educational backgrounds because of cost.
This is code-monkey territory. One of my friend's thesis project is to create a programming language that deskills the development of UI by hiding and simplifying the complex stuff. The reason and motivation behind such work isn't to like find cheaper employees though, it's to bring those with a design education into the fold and make them more valuable.
>University of Natural Resources and Life Sciences?
Very solid university (not a fake one), interesting courses, somewhat nichè topics (forestry, water resource management, soil sciences, some biotech, agricultural stuff ..), but AFIAK good-ish reputation.
Btw., in Euroland, the reputation of the university is much less of a factor than the degree itself or in which department you did your masters thesis (or which supervisors).
Canada's pretty swell too. I wouldn't mind a next postdoc in BC.
>Their population is falling! They should open the flood gates to migrant workers. Diversity is great!, it will drive down wages while cucking you at the same time.
Nice try, Shlomo
So he is a crybaby? He dropped out of the courses because he said that there was an anti-military bias or some shit and it cost too much? I told him he can't immigrate to canada without a degree. My shit-skin GF from pakistan, her father has a masters degree, he only got in because of that. Her brother is now in UK going to cambridge for physics. My cousin thinks he is very smart. I told him to enroll in our toughest school if he wants to make money while going to school. He backed out of that suggestion once I should him a math book.
Is this a sign that he is a dumb ass, or lazy?
>He dropped out of the courses because he said that there was an anti-military bias or some shit and it cost too much?
First time I've ever heard such a thing. I'll admit that this very specific university is highly populated by supporters of the Green party, but who gives a shit. Sure, if you'd go around waving your 'Hail machineguns!'-flag, you probably will get the odd comment, but other than that ..
Austrian Uni system doesn't require any social interaction with other students. You prepare for the X exams, you pass the exams in whatever order and time-frame you see fit, you get your degree, done.
He must be very special.
>You will never get a scholarship to an ivy league school
You fuckers make me proud
>mfw academia is confirmed to be progressive liberal yet academia is stealing a lot of money from students and progressives blame republicans
Well I'd be willing to pay at least cost of living, maybe a masters, but PhD would be awesome. I have a recommendation from a works renown professor who I believe would hold weight and a 3.4 GPA. I dunno where I'd tier. I'd even go for the masters if it isn't too much. Need to take GRE still. Gonna start interning. Went to a solid engineering program. I'm Hispanic too, not sure how that may affect it. (Light skin and colored eyes tho btw to everyone who talks shit).
This will, most likely, not be of too much importance. Research papers, undergrad projects, your thesis, recommendations - those will.
This is Europe. No one gives a shit what you look like. Not in the slightest, when it come to getting a PhD project. We don't have affirmative action, apart from some Women-only scholarship programs, and possible some exchange-program scholarships.
>PhD without bachelors
Highly unusual in Europe, never seen it myself. Until 20 years ago or so, lots of countries didn't even have Bachelor degrees, there were only 4/5 year Master's programmes.
>get fleeced by high taxes for the rest of your life
>hurradurr i paid through the gubment, not the bank, so it was free
Thanks for the straightforward info, I'll see how it goes. I do have my bachelor's, I didn't know about y'all not having BS before though. This really helped clarify my thoughts on it. I'll work on it this year.
>I didn't know about y'all not having BS before though.
Don't let my lack of knowledge discourage you. It's been a few years since I studied, so things might have changed.
On top of the whole financial issue - you'll underestimate the effect of having lived in another country or continent for an extended period of time. There's nothing quite like it. Unparalleled experience.
>Being an entitled little shit thinking he deserves special treatment and free handouts at the expense of others for his gender studies degree.
Your too choices at this point are
>Go back to tumblr
>Study basic economics
OP on suicide watch
my income tax rate is 15%, finland the lowest you'll pay is 40% income tax and then you've got VAT to pay as well.
America: land of manage your own money instead of letting big brother do it for you.
Obviously schools like Harvard are expensive, and they should, now every other colleges around are still expensive, i dont think free college should be a thing, it should just be more affordable. But then again people really need to stop going to college to learn and earn a meme degree. It's survival of the fittest