Fellow Canadians. Why is Quebec such a whiney province. Twice they have stalled constitutional reform with their distinct society bullshit (Meech lake + Charlottetown). Why can't they accept proposals to recognise them as a cultural group in Canada instead of recognising Quebec itself. Selfish baguette eating french faggots.
Quebec is a wonderful place and must never become canadian. It is really the most state to defend the french language, far more than us clearly. And they are strong economically and socially.
Do not bully them for being right about defending their roots. I bet that you live on the West coast. Typical guy praising the americans instead of embracing the better quebec for a better society.
Would it be so bad to reverse their language laws that specify french is to be on everything first and biggest. You also have to speak french at school in Quebec.
In Ottawa the other side of the river there is no such law but the languages coexist side by side and you can choose which school you go to. Thats more like American freedoms.
I'm not against their Frenchness, just how they want Quebec specifically to be treated differently to the rest of Canada. Can't we constitutionally agree to respect and preserve all languages and cultures in Canada rather than specifically Quebec? Oh no. We tried that and Quebec thought they were above that.
They can do whatever the fuck they want, but why did they make french the only language of Canada, it's retarded. Montreal used to be an international city, now its fucking nothing cause all the businesses moved on.
Fuck quebec, you fucked yourselves over and i think the only way they'll learn is by declaring independence and miserably failing
>Quebec is a wonderful place and must never become canadian.
Are you fucking shitting me?
Quebec is on Canadian soil. Just because they don't identify as such doesn't mean they should be given special snowflake rights.
>It is really the most state to defend the french language, far more than us clearly.
I'm not sure what the fuck you're trying to convey here, but i'll take a wild guess and jab at it by assuming it's about their language enforcement throughout it's small enclave and isolation zone.
It still sucks. And the militant quebecois are fucking sub-human compared to the rest of Canadians. Literally the same tier as mudslimes.
>And they are strong economically and socially.
Oh god, you're delusional as fuck.
Do you know why Quebec is never going to achieve independence?
I'll tell you why.
It's because it is going to fucking die off lightning fast without the neighbouring provinces resource funneling. Face it, Quebec as a whole is a drain on society because of the language disparity and "muh individuality".
English should be imposed as the main language of Canada through and forth. Quebecois are second-class citizens anyway.
Kek. See poorfag Quebec receiving 18 Billion in federal Equilization payments.
In just under 60 years of Equlization:
Alberta received 92 Million
Quebec received 169475 Million.
Yeh it's a good place to live. Politically mad though.
We (the rest of Canada) don't want to give them second nation status. We want to keep Canada as a single nation. Quebecers are the ones that want this pointless second nation status, thats the point.
Quebec is one of the 1st province. New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Ontario and Quebec formed Canada, when at this time, NS & NB were pretty irrelevant. So let's put it this way, Canada = Ontario + Quebec. Other provinces just dragged their asses in. Get it in the right order faggots.
The culture is very different and I agree the rest of Canada should not have to put up with our bullshit socialist welfare province, Quebec should be it's own poor country. I love it in a way but at the same time I fucking hate this province and most people here.
Quebec is the 2nd worst province in all of canada, manitoba is the absolute worst.
Fuck man....i love Canada but I grew up in Quebec. They wont let go of the French heritage crap. The government needs to just tell Quebec ."no. you can't leave Canada. You can maintain your culture but if you leave we will annex you." But the politicians just love standing up for Quebec since Quebec will always vote for Quebec sypathizers.
I was raised in french.
I grew up in french.
I am a francophone and I am different from the rest of Canada.
We share absolutely nothing except maybe hockey and some minor cultural things
Tell me again why do I have this fucking maple leaf in my post? Oh yeah some fat ass rich anglo corporations decided to cheat in 95 so that they could keep the status quo for their own wealth and wellbeing.
I just want a country of my own, not just a small piece of some random anglo saxon bullshit.
>raised in french
>grew up french
You need Canada because you pussy frogs could never make it on your own. Quebec is like a whiney, spoiled child that keeps threatening to run away from home. What you need is a good kick in the ass.
>I was raised in french.
>I grew up in french.
>I just want a country of my own
GO BACK TO FRANCE, THEN
AND LEARN SOME GOD DAMNED ENGLISH WHILE YOU'RE AT IT. THE FIRST TWO SENTENCES ARE WRONG.
Which is why you have so many Haitians. Because they already speak an uneducated big lipped version of your language.
Face it. Truly wanting to be French is like praying for autism.
>You need Canada because you pussy frogs could never make it on your own.
Is that why English Canada acted the way it did in 95 when separation was a real threat?
You should read up on that.
>20 years ago
Get with the times. Quebec would go under without equalization. and the rest of Canada would laugh.
>Haitian carcass in alley this morning, tire tread on burst stomach. Montreal is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Nous aide!"... and Canada ill whisper "no."
Earned how? Through constant handouts? Through non-stop demanding of money from the rest of Canada? By constantly having one foot out the door, except when it needs financial assistance? Quebec wouldn't last a year on it's own. You would be Greece 2.0
Not to mention Harper's hidden genocide of the natives :^)
>Quebec has earned its right of being an independent Nation.
Being an immense fucking drain on every single other Canadian enterprise and province?
>Stop talking about shit you don't know you random brown shitter.
>I'm not allowed to visit other countries during my leisure time
Learn some fucking history, scumfuck.
You're probably some poorfag with a low end mcburgerflip job who can barely make endsmeat.
Those numbers are mostly rigged, The Quebec provincial government assumes a lot of responsibilities that in other provinces are taken care of on the federal level. So a lot of those transfers are reimbursements for services not rendered.
We pay two different income taxes in Quebec while the rest of Canada only pays one.
If we actually were such a big drain on Canada you can bet that we'd be a separate country now. English Canadians have very little to gain from our presence in Canada.
Nice thread, here we see an filthy gypsy and a albertafag arguing about how much Québec suck.
So where do you work since tar sand is rekt?
Because of you, our money is at 0,80$ vs US.
Please. The events in 95 were handled by a little man from Shawinigan by the name of Jean Chrétien. The man should never have become Prime Minister.
Besides, as the years pass, more "new" Canadians will be immigrating to Quebec and more of the die hard separatists will pass away from old age.
Still snickering over Quebec and it's racist policies, Pauline Marois, the Language Police, and the Quebec Identity Act.
Getting on all fours for the monarchy. Won't reveal costs because they know there's no way to justify it. If that's not wasteful spending then what is.
Posters from Queerbec should have their own little flag instead of a Canadian one, because:
A)They don't deserve to have the Canadian flag as theirs, as they want out.
B)I know who to ignore by a quick glance
>Being an immense fucking drain on every single other Canadian enterprise and province?
If that were true, don't you think separation would have been achieved by now? Do you really think other would provinces would be ok with that if these numbers would actually be true? Pls.
This meme about Quebec being a drain is just propaganda by false numbers of a corrupt Federal government. The truth is that Quebec has a lot of resources and is wealthier than most people give it credit for.
Since you don't seem to know shit about Quebec take a quick look here:
This is not just about French vs English, its about values and culture too.
>Besides, as the years pass, more "new" Canadians will be immigrating to Quebec and more of the die hard separatists will pass away from old age. Still snickering over Quebec and it's racist policies, Pauline Marois, the Language Police, and the Quebec Identity Act.
Since when this is a good thing?
Anglo canadians are no better than homo Swede cucks I swear.
Italian actually. There are more here than is alot of cities in Italy
If there's a brown dude here, that doesn't belong to one of the 3 brown people families, then he's driving a transport through
Hey, I can link images too!
Mine's actually more accurate than all of your charts too!
And readable as well!
Quebec is based as fuck and way better than Ontario.
Separating is a bad idea but it should always remain somewhat politically distant. Everyone in my province hates you guys because it's fashionable here but anyone who's politically educated knows that you are a god-tier province.
A policy of isolation is not good for quebec. They want to be France part 2 and many of them identify with France.
They are just exchanging one parent for another, if muh french culture is the only reason for them to seperate then it's not good enough.
How much debt does quebec have?
and let's have a hypothetical scenario that they get independence, do they have the resources to survive?
>this is waht albertan actually believe
>this is what conservative education does to teens
Jesus christ it's like in brave new world where they just rewrote the history.
>Quebec keeps spending more money than they can earn
Quebec: Please, mr bank-sama, give us some monetary funds to sustain ourselves.
Banker: Okay Quebec, but that's a LOT of money you're asking for, in order for it to be worth everyone's while and interest, you'll have to pay 5% a year out of the remaining debt to us.
Quebec: Okay, thank you monsieur Bankqueer!
>que same stupid ass spending, 20 years later
Banker: Hello, Quebec?? It's about time you start paying us back.
Quebec: Pardon monsieur banqueer, we just couldn't stop spending :(
Banker: Is this a fucking joke? 20 Billion dollars with 5% interest and you can't fucking allocate anything properly?
Quebec: FOKKEN JEWKIKE CONSPIRACY!!!!!
Quebec: Make Alberta Pay!! Make Alberta Pay!! Monsieur Harper!! Parliament!! We need reparations for Alberta's crimes against the oppressed Quebecers!!! :((
Parliament: Sorry Alberta, but to keep the Quebecer voting bloc happy you're gonna have to pay Quebec's debt for them.
Whats up with Albertans and their little fascination about work? We get it already you guys are a bunch of boring old conservatives that fuck their fat cousins.
They don't even do that much anyway apart from extracting the ressources that they sit on. You're not much better than the arab terrorists really.
Meanwhile Quebec has made some of the best video games ever and is backed with renewable energy forever. You can't just make a quick buck off oil here, you actually have to work and be intelligent.
True, Quebecers don't like the France french, don't like anglos, immirgrants and don't even like themselves... They don't even like people from the next village, or other side of the river or whatever. Everybody appears to be nice but every body shits on everybody down there. Weird shit.
It's Haper brain washing you into thinking you're giving us all your money. Blatant lies everywhere else. It's only you and BC who believe this shit.
Keep feeding Shell and the CND while blaming us.
>Harper's hidden genocide of the natives :^)
If this were true, it would be a good thing
Do you think your an exemption or something, do you have proof, why would we care about natives who don't pay taxes and do shit?
Italian seafarer John Cabot explored Canada's atlantic coast in 1496 for England.
Frenchman Jacques Cartier explored the St. Lawrence River in 1534.
Just because you faggots planted the flag first doesn't mean you were there first.
>Quebec claiming to be french
I lived in france for 7 years. And I had the misfortune of spending 6 months in quebec. The people in quebec are as french as an irish-american is irish. You are the french equivalent of a plastic paddy only ten times more whiny.
cabot was a faggot and too afraid to get off the boat.
>on vacation in europe
>shitposting on 4chan
uncultured alberta fag confirmed.
I don't know, the only asspain I see is yours. Why would you pay for people who don't like you and don't consider the same nation as you? From my eyes, it doesn't seem like Quebec is Canada's bitch, but otherwise.
I'm just curious about why you like paying for Quebec who hate you. If it's ok to you, I don't really care, I don't live in Canada so who am I to judge. I just don't understand the masochism.
In response to that bullshit comment by Charles de Gaulle, Lester B. Pearson said "The people of Canada are free. Every province in Canada is free. Canadians do not need to be liberated. Indeed, many thousands of Canadians gave their lives in two world wars in the liberation of France and other European countries."
Stupid fucking french bastard.
It's like that feel you get when you've got a very old, disheveled dog you take care of.
Obviously it's rotting on the inside and dying, shitting all over itself and your rug in the process.
But you loved this dog. And you can't just let it go or take it out back and shoot it. No.
You have to do the great parental thing and coddle it. Pay for the best medicine possible in an attempt to heal it.
That's what Quebec is to Canada. A disease-ridden dog on it's last barks.
The Human Rights Watch report provides evidence of:
1. RCMP abuse and sexual abuse of native women in police custody. Some of the evidence could indict police officers for crimes against humanity.
2. A failure of law enforcement to protect indigenous women from abuse and crimes.
3. Police apathy and inaction in response to aboriginal women’s disappearing.
4. Lack of aboriginal or civilian recourse to police inaction or wrongdoing, with the implication that the avenues of recourse served to cover the offending officers.
5. Instances of law enforcement and judiciary collusion in the abuse, rape and prostitution of aboriginal girls and women. Accounts give a clear impression of a society preying criminally on aboriginals as the price of inclusion in the ruling group.
Institutionalized genocide. Thanks Canada.
The only real way to deal with them would be to, you probably guessed it, deport them to France.
But that will never, ever happen. It's too big of an endeavor to even be considered economically viable, let alone morally correct or not impeding on basic human rights.
>theyre part of Canada
What the fuck does it mean in the context of Canada? For European country I'd understand, but for Canada I don't. What makes you canadian (and "living in canada" isn't an answer)?
>In Ottawa the other side of the river there is no such law but the languages coexist side by side and you can choose which school you go to
french will probably end up kill in a few decades
not that i give a fuck
If they didn't want to be french, they shouldn't force the francophone culture upon everyone, whilst still being able to have it present and just adopt english as their main language whilst retaining their individuality.
It's not hard, man.
Hell, maybe if they wouldn't be so stuck up about "muh french-canada" they would actually have a decent shot at having independence instead of bothering 24/7 with useless banter and socio-political nonsense.
You don't make sense at all.
>why don't they just give up their culture and bow to their anglo overlords it's not hard man
That's how you sound.
Also, maybe they just want to be Quebecois, not French, like you want to be canadian, not british. You remind me of France and its education policies which tried to kill regional culture/languages in France. You're French in spirit, mon ami.
Are we talking about Quebecois culture that has surfaced in the last 100 years, or as a whole, since inception?
Because there is a difference.
And last time I checked, Canada is still part of the commonwealth. So, in essence, we're still British, somewhat.
>Quebec is a wonderful place
France bails on Quebec, Britain wins. kek
Look, I respect the Quebecois for their fanatical obsession with preserving their culture. The rest of Canada, especially my shithole of Onterrible could take a lesson, you too BC.
Ontario, once the heart of Canada. Leftist rule and Sweden level policies have made us a fucking joke. Kept alive by generous prairie money. The fact is, Ontario at least contributed something. Whereas Quebec...well, great strippers, poutine, syrup and liquor.
That being said, Quebec, English Canada is not your enemy. We have suffered your bullshit drama, language police and threats of running away (as long as we fund you). Keep your heritage, but stop making your fellow Canadians out to be villains and stop trying to separate.
As the British said to Scotland recently. "We're better together". There is a rosey, unrealistic fantasy fueling Quebec's separation obsession.
If Quebec did seperate, it would be short lived.
Can we all just take a moment and raise our Horton's to Alberta?
Pic related: Canada's coat of arms. Note the fleurs Quebec? You guys are included, act the part.
Maybe Quebecois want to be sovereign and not subject of a foreign people? And your judgement about quebec culture has nothing to do with the fact it exists.
Maybe it's time for another vote for independance, to calm the spirits?
>Maybe Quebecois want to be sovereign
I doubt that's feasible, they just aren't a majority.
>Maybe it's time for another vote for independance, to calm the spirits?
I would welcome that with naught an eyelash batted at it.
Knowing full well that if the vote fails, the province stays the same.
And if they win? They'll just be even more in debt to the rest of Canada.
Eitherway we look at it, it's a moot point.
If you hate us so much and want us out of your multiculturalist shithole with allahuhsanckbars and chinks then why did the fucking governement cheat like hell to keep us in in 95?
We have the biggest clean water reserves in the world
We furnish hydro-electricity to Vermont and the Maritimes because of our superior system
We pay more taxes (TVA and TVQ) therefore, we get more money back
We have our own culture, Quebécoise, not some american bullshit like ROC
Our only problem would be with military, I agree that on that side if Canadafag PM wanted, he could invade Quebec and force its terms on us.... But the ensuing clusterfuck would be bad
>only reason Quebec wants to separate is to have a direct heritage link with France
What the fuck are you smoking m8?
French-Canadians have a long history by themselves e (no need for frenchfags) of fighting discrimination from anglophone majorities in the federal govt
Quebec is a distinct society with its own values, it should be able to administrate its region, not be force fed some shit from Alberta
We want to focus on OUR shit, not all of Canada's
>Raise our Horton's to Alberta
Thanks ontariobud. Nice to get some recognition instead of being called a stupid redneck. Tough times ahead now though
>Implying beer, maple syrup and hockey are worse than cheese, wine and surrendering
Get fucked frog. Our soldiers died in France to protect and liberate you from the big scawy Germans.
It's cheeper to pay to keep those shits disgruntled and part of Canada, than it probably would be to tell them to fuck off, and then have to rebuild it in a couple decades after it turns into a 3rd world slum.
>there love for the freakin queen and the british empire...pathetic!
The same empire that easily conquered Quebec and forged Canada?
The same empire that didn't just bayonet your pussy citizenry after an easy surrender but let you keep your precious guttural hillbilly French, Catholicism and customs?
Oh the humanity! You poor things.
You lost fair and square and given generous terms of surrender and have had a federal tit in your mouth for decades. Stop playing victims.
We're not whining, we're laughing at their infantile rabble.
>What about a vote in other provinces to decide if Quebec stays or leave?
To quote again Lester B. Pearson as an anon did previously itt :
"The people of Canada are free. Every province in Canada is free. Canadians do not need to be liberated. Indeed, many thousands of Canadians gave their lives in two world wars in the liberation of France and other European countries."
Other provinces COULD have a vote, but then Quebec might complain that they wouldn't have the right to change their ways. It'd be an overwhelming Canadian majority against whatever Quebecois have to say.
Look at America and it's states. They each vote on their own laws and such. But they all agree to adhere to one main language nationwide, regardless if say, spanish is predominant in one region.
Suggest you take a look at an original map of Quebec. It was a tiny square of land. And it's a shithole. The only thing it has going for it is good strippers. The francophone daughters all sold out.
And their sacrifice will never be forgotten. I have a shitload of Canadian military cemetaries close to my home, near Vimy. But that's not the question.
>than cheese, wine and surrendering
Maybe you should open a history book, sometimes. Or a cuisine book. Or a book.
Now that's a more pragmatic answer. I'm curious, why would it cost more?
Must be responding to me. Learn to reply ret4rd.
Yes, the brits won. Canada was under the British rule until the constitution. Climb out of your bag and read some fucking history.
Or keep to your Koran
Here, I'll spell it out for you.
>Not understanding per capita
If that were true then Ontario would receive more tax receipts. But no, no they don't, thats because they have given a lot more tax than Quebec. In fact, all the provinces have given a lot more than quebec. Also nominal.
>Not understanding Quebec has more taxes.
They do have higher tax rates but they're too poor for that to support them. If they had more nominal tax receipts they would be able to finance themselves, but thats right, they can't because they're poor. Hence "total nomimal Equalization entitlements RECEIVED".
I expect you need equalization payments explained to you too: Equalization payments are made from the federal government to certain provinces who can't afford to pay for basic public service provisions like healthcare and police using their own tax revenues. The revenue for this is gained by federal taxes which are equal across Canada. As you can see, Quebec is totally unable to support itself. Hence 169475 million dollars.
>Why can't they accept proposals
Dude... they are French decended... Gauls... where do think we got the phrase ... "What Gall (English for Gaul) that man has"... being a prick pretty much defines being French
Without Quebec, there would be few French speakers in Canarda, so they would have to rename the whole country.
>That's nice, but, like the Scots, it just didn't happen, man.
Unlike the Scots, it didn't happen because the votes were rigged by the Feds.
Our country was literally robbed by a few % because of that.
Immigrants and money.
>Its funny because that's all canada has become, Immigrants and money.
>Owes independence to pricks
And we are forever in France's debt for this. French maybe pricks but America can thank God that they have been on our side since the founding of our country. Viva La France!
Quebec alone whines more than the rest of Canuckistan combined. I blame their nasty French genes.
>You should count your blessing and be happy that you've got the "French-Canadian" designation.
Whatever. Im not happy about it, but Im sick of this stupid argument.
I guess we'll continue to hate each other and be an inefficient country.
Quebec as a country made too much sense anyway, we dont want that.